What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.
New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way?
I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.
The only true answer is to scrap the current political system, and start from scratch.
I had a myriad of solutions, but every time I started to write, I thought it needed a qualifier of govt intrusion explained.
So I finally came to the conclusion you have only one option, start over.
Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2014, 08:11:35 AM
The only true answer is to scrap the current political system, and start from scratch.
I had a myriad of solutions, but every time I started to write, I thought it needed a qualifier of govt intrusion explained.
So I finally came to the conclusion you have only one option, start over.
What exactly do you mean?
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.
New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way?
I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.
Abandon Socialism!
Darth
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.
That's my suggestion. Let people keep more of their own money. Good things will begin to happen immediately. Mainly it would begin increasing the amount of individual investors in the EU bond-markets and lessen the institutional-investments of pension-funds... It starts a chain-of-events that gets the Countries in the proximity of being
on the same page with each-other.
Through bonds, Governments are borrowing your money rather than taking it from you. Infrastructure-projects go on like normal. That's just a small start. The end result is to make the EU a good place for me, in another Country, to invest my money there.
Quote from: kit saginaw on December 18, 2014, 08:42:47 AM
That's my suggestion. Let people keep more of their own money. Good things will begin to happen immediately. Mainly it would begin increasing the amount of individual investors in the EU bond-markets and lessen the institutional-investments of pension-funds... It starts a chain-of-events that gets the Countries in the proximity of being on the same page with each-other.
Through bonds, Governments are borrowing your money rather than taking it from you. Infrastructure-projects go on like normal. That's just a small start. The end result is to make the EU a good place for me, in another Country, to invest my money there.
Unions oppose to that. What to do with them? How to limit its power when so many people are leftist?
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.
New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way?
I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.
Get away from the Euro and abandon the southern members to reap the bitter fruit of their own corruption and social welfare. Bring back competition and free enerprise and free (not a common) market...and run, don't walk...away from multi-culturalism, stateism and secularism.
Good Luck!
Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 10:08:19 AM
Get away from the Euro and abandon the southern members to reap the bitter fruit of their own corruption and social welfare. Bring back competition and free enerprise and free (not a common) market...and run, don't walk...away from multi-culturalism, stateism and secularism.
Good Luck!
What if we stay together? You have to consider that Europe of independent states brought us two world war in 20th century. I agree with the other though.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
What if we stay together? You have to consider that Europe of independent states brought us two world war in 20th centuram y. I agree with the other though.
yeah, that was the Dream that produced your current Nightmare! make all these nations who have always quarrelled and waged war on each other, so dependat upon one another that such quarrels and wars would cease forever. How's that Kumbya State working for you?
BTW, multiculturalism is simply an expansion of this concept of becoming so interdependent that nobody in their right mind would ever not go along with the concept of one for all and all for one. This doesn't account for the fanatic nature of (some) individuals!
Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 10:08:19 AM
Get away from the Euro and abandon the southern members to reap the bitter fruit of their own corruption and social welfare. Bring back competition and free enerprise and free (not a common) market...and run, don't walk...away from multi-culturalism, stateism and secularism.
Good Luck!
I agree with Wally. Dissolve the European Common Market. Stop allowing immigration from Islamic countries until those you have are working and are no longer a drag on your welfare systems. Stop bowing to Islam and proudly uphold your own country's culture and traditions, free enterprise and individual freedoms. Deport immigrants who will not work and who advocate the overthrow of your governments. Stop electing left-wing governments. Northern Europe and Southern Europe have little in common. Stop tying your country to losers.
Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 10:34:52 AM
yeah, that was the Dream that produced your current Nightmare! make all these nations who have always quarrelled and waged war on each other, so dependat upon one another that such quarrels and wars would cease forever. How's that Kumbya State working for you?
BTW, multiculturalism is simply an expansion of this concept of becoming so interdependent that nobody in their right mind would ever not go along with the concept of one for all and all for one. This doesn't account for the fanatic nature of (some) individuals!
I partly agree with you. There are big diferencies beetwen member states. However we know from the history that we need union on European level. We all know what is the alternative and I'm affraid we don't really have a choise. But we need to find a new economic model for our continent.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 11:43:25 AM
I partly agree with you. There are big diferencies beetwen member states. However we know from the history that we need union on European level. We all know what is the alternative and I'm affraid we don't really have a choise. But we need to find a new economic model for our continent.
Why?
Quote from: Charliemyboy on December 18, 2014, 11:34:26 AM
I agree with Wally. Dissolve the European Common Market. Stop allowing immigration from Islamic countries until those you have are working and are no longer a drag on your welfare systems. Stop bowing to Islam and proudly uphold your own country's culture and traditions, free enterprise and individual freedoms. Deport immigrants who will not work and who advocate the overthrow of your governments. Stop electing left-wing governments. Northern Europe and Southern Europe have little in common. Stop tying your country to losers.
I agree with you about the muslims. But I'm affraid it's too late for some countries. It's too late for France, Belgium and Holland. For these countries it's too late. These countries has a lots of things in common and one of these things is they are pussy members of NATO.
Ah yes stop electing left-wing gvts. But how? I belive in liberty and in democratic elections.
Quote from: taxed on December 18, 2014, 11:44:10 AM
Why?
Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.
Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally belive in USE.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.
Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally believe in USE.
Until the citizenry decide they want a change it will not change. My view is that many European countries have created such dependent classes they cannot reverse the trend. People do not want to give up what is being provided for them as inadequate as it might be.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.
Why?
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Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally belive in USE.
What do you mean divided? Regarding our Civil War, not sure what you mean by "we were divided", beyond the North vs South.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 18, 2014, 11:58:36 AM
Until the citizenry decide they want a change it will not change. My view is that many European countries have created such dependent classes they cannot reverse the trend. People do not want to give up what is being provided for them as inadequate as it might be.
Good post supsalemgr. I agree with you. Europe has high percent of old people and that people are not ready for change. They still live in the 70 or 80's
Quote from: taxed on December 18, 2014, 11:59:19 AM
Why?
What do you mean divided? Regarding our Civil War, not sure what you mean by "we were divided", beyond the North vs South.
In the civil war it was North vs. South yes.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 12:12:30 PM
In the civil war it was North vs. South yes.
I guess I have no idea why you think you need to be under the European Union. Why can't you have your own economies and just trade with each other?
Quote from: taxed on December 18, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
I guess I have no idea why you think you need to be under the European Union. Why can't you have your own economies and just trade with each other?
Communists must continually grow the scope of the collective. In America, they must erase states' autonomy. In europe, they must erase countries' autonomy. From there it's entire continents that must be ruled as a single collective. Then the globe.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Good post supsalemgr. I agree with you. Europe has high percent of old people and that people are not ready for change. They still live in the 70 or 80's
Where are you from, my European newbie friend?
Quote from: wally on December 18, 2014, 12:37:16 PM
Where are you from, my European newbie friend?
Wally belive me you don't want to know :biggrin:
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
What exactly do you mean?
As Darth pointed out, trash socialism.
The reason the Eurocentric state of States will fail, is because they failed in creating a Republic of sovereign States where the people retain power over the govt.
This is why America is in such dire straits, the Fed has usurped the power of the individuality of State, as in the Marxist using the Executive Order to rewrite laws making Congress worthless.
Of course none of this would have happened if we'd had actual Representation in the GOP. Our govt has failed us, but we, as voters, have spoken through vote, a fruity to bear come January.
One problem with meeting our european friend in the middle on this topic, is the near polar-opposite uses of the various terms, in our two different societies.
The euros tend to think that conservative means a more loving, mothering, smothering government. And liberal means being liberated from such goodness (of course a bad thing). Just the opposite of the American terms-definitions.
Not sure if they even have a libertarian concept over there, the virtual abandonment of govt. I think they can only think in terms of communism (the loving govt) or socialism (frighteningly small govt for them).
Glomming together the EU has to be one of the most spectacularly stupid ideas in human history. Placing the economies of Germany, at one extreme, and the likes of Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus and even the Vatican at the other, on the same currency is simply insane. It is, was, and will always be nothing more than a Leftist wealth redistribution scheme on an international scale, precisely the same thing the UN would do tomorrow worldwide, if they thought we wouldn't burn down their damn building.
Out of curiosity, european101, why is it that we don't want to know where you're from?
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 02:07:14 PM
Glomming together the EU has to be one of the most spectacularly stupid ideas in human history. Placing the economies of Germany, at one extreme, and the likes of Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus and even the Vatican at the other, on the same currency is simply insane. It is, was, and will always be nothing more than a Leftist wealth redistribution scheme on an international scale, precisely the same thing the UN would do tomorrow worldwide, if they thought we wouldn't burn down their damn building.
Out of curiosity, european101, why is it that we don't want to know where you're from?
He's from the small independent sexual commune of Dicktopia lol.
The idea of cramming the German, Italian, English, Irish, Greek, Scandinavian, Baltic, etc. cultures, languages, currencies, etc. together into one inedible pablum, is unbelievably stupid. Only a moronic, filthy, stinking, mentally-socially-retarded gimp like Marx could possible envision it as fabulous.
Sadly, this used to be the feeling about the states in America. Texas, Wyoming, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Mississippi, Louisiana..........should never be sanitized and lumped in with incompetent buffoonery like NY, CA, IL, NJ, Detroit, etc.
What a putrid idea, sad that it's gotten as far as it has.
He's from Italy; Il paese di romantico cibo...
Quote from: AndyJackson on December 18, 2014, 02:40:49 PM
He's from the small independent sexual commune of Dicktopia lol.
The idea of cramming the German, Italian, English, Irish, Greek, Scandinavian, Baltic, etc. cultures, languages, currencies, etc. together into one inedible pablum, is unbelievably stupid. Only a moronic, filthy, stinking, mentally-socially-retarded gimp like Marx could possible envision it as fabulous.
Sadly, this used to be the feeling about the states in America. Texas, Wyoming, Tennessee, the Carolinas, Mississippi, Louisiana..........should never be sanitized and lumped in with incompetent buffoonery like NY, CA, IL, NJ, Detroit, etc.
What a putrid idea, sad that it's gotten as far as it has.
Are you suggesting that we hive off some chunks, such as CaliWashiGon? Maybe New YorkseyConn? VerMaineMass? Perhaps we could send all the illegals to Hawaii in the hope that the whole shebang capsizes, as Rep. Johnson suggested Guam might do.
Of course, that still leaves Minnesota. What a waste of a really pretty place! :tounge:
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 02:07:14 PM
Glomming together the EU has to be one of the most spectacularly stupid ideas in human history. Placing the economies of Germany, at one extreme, and the likes of Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus and even the Vatican at the other, on the same currency is simply insane. It is, was, and will always be nothing more than a Leftist wealth redistribution scheme on an international scale, precisely the same thing the UN would do tomorrow worldwide, if they thought we wouldn't burn down their damn building.
Out of curiosity, european101, why is it that we don't want to know where you're from?
I think he said Italy.
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 02:46:24 PM
Are you suggesting that we hive off some chunks, such as CaliWashiGon? Maybe New YorkseyConn? VerMaineMass? Perhaps we could send all the illegals to Hawaii in the hope that the whole shebang capsizes, as Rep. Johnson suggested Guam might do.
Of course, that still leaves Minnesota. What a waste of a really pretty place! :tounge:
lol, maybe....someday. But more just the sheer stupidity of corrupting a solid republic of widely disparate cultures, into a homogenized socialist or communist state. Exactly as they say about europe. NY and CA and Texas and Tennessee are as unique and distinct as England & Italy & Germany & France.
Quote from: AndyJackson on December 18, 2014, 02:51:08 PM
lol, maybe....someday. But more just the sheer stupidity of corrupting a solid republic of widely disparate cultures, into a homogenized socialist or communist state. Exactly as they say about europe. NY and CA and Texas and Tennessee are as unique and distinct as England & Italy & Germany & France.
Can't agree with you there. For one thing, the states have been united and sharing a common political and economic structure for more than 230 years. There are differences, yes, but there are many more similarities. Common language, common currency, common political structure, common culture (in many ways). The EU boasts none of those things, and it shows.
Even within a single state, you can't homogenize or generalize. I live in Ohio, but have little in common with someone living in inner-city Cleveland or Cincinnati. But we do speak the same language, vote on the same day on many of the same issues and candidates, use the same highways, watch the same TV stations, etc. etc.
I think folks in coastal California can connect with people in rural Utah or Alabama a lot better than a Bavarian can empathize with an Estonian or a Cypriot.
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 03:03:19 PM
Can't agree with you there. For one thing, the states have been united and sharing a common political and economic structure for more than 230 years. There are differences, yes, but there are many more similarities. Common language, common currency, common political structure, common culture (in many ways). The EU boasts none of those things, and it shows.
Even within a single state, you can't homogenize or generalize. I live in Ohio, but have little in common with someone living in inner-city Cleveland or Cincinnati. But we do speak the same language, vote on the same day on many of the same issues and candidates, use the same highways, watch the same TV stations, etc. etc.
I think folks in coastal California can connect with people in rural Utah or Alabama a lot better than a Bavarian can empathize with an Estonian or a Cypriot.
I can agree with your very specific contrast of the 2 situations, as of today. But I think that the founder's concept of a republic was very much built on a competitive and "incubator" expectation of the states. That they would offer vastly different lifestyles, host competing beliefs like atheism or nearly theocracy, even collective environments vs. pure capitalism, as long as constitutional rights and property remained unfettered. And see who's ideas were better, based on people voting with their feet.
The 230 years of homogenization have come with a great deal of unconstitutional despotic communist influences, going back at least 100 years, some will say more. I don't think today's America is all that accurate to the America envisioned in the constitution. Any more than today's capitalism vs. constitutional capitalism. Too much corruption, death of 1000 cuts.
Quote from: AndyJackson on December 18, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
I can agree with your very specific contrast of the 2 situations, as of today. But I think that the founder's concept of a republic was very much built on a competitive and "incubator" expectation of the states. That they would offer vastly different lifestyles, host competing beliefs like atheism or nearly theocracy, even collective environments vs. pure capitalism, as long as constitutional rights and property remained unfettered. And see who's ideas were better, based on people voting with their feet.
The 230 years of homogenization have come with a great deal of unconstitutional despotic communist influences, going back at least 100 years, some will say more. I don't think today's America is all that accurate to the America envisioned in the constitution. Any more than today's capitalism vs. constitutional capitalism. Too much corruption, death of 1000 cuts.
Without getting into specifics, my point was that I think comparing the US to the EU is not a valid comparison. As different as Rhode Island and Nevada are, they're nowhere near as disparate as, say, Greece and France. Or Finland vs. Portugal.
The last time I was in England, in addition to the degradation of London, due to what they call Asians, although in reality they are Muslims from the Middle East (No one dares call them by their rightful names,) I was told by a person from the countryside about how he was no longer allowed to grow as many fruits as he used to and as he wished, because the amount is dictated by the EU. Of course this is just another method of wealth distribution. England did keep their own currency because they wanted the picture of Queen Elizabeth on the money, but other than that I see little objection to their being taken over by that bunch which does not believe in national borders and those citizens of Britain's former colonies may enter at will.
The only improvement I saw were these enormous grapes sold at a local street market on Notting Hill from one of the EU countries. It wasn't a big improvement, though, because they were not as tasty as the smaller ones.
If they allow Turkey membership in the EU, as Turkey wants, God help them. Islamization will be complete.
get rid of socialism and work on making a decent car, possibly one that runs on natural gas, yeah the fiat and renault are okay but try something different.
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 03:20:20 PM
Without getting into specifics, my point was that I think comparing the US to the EU is not a valid comparison. As different as Rhode Island and Nevada are, they're nowhere near as disparate as, say, Greece and France. Or Finland vs. Portugal.
eh...I just think NYC / Detroit / Chicago / LA vs. Mussel Shoals / Myrtle Beach / Baton Rouge / Nashville, is a lot like your euro contrasts. Maybe it's cities or regions in states that I'm describing. But I think the states were envisioned in the constitution to be just as different in their totality.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.
New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way?
I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.
Easy.
Get the fuck out of the way.
That's it.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 18, 2014, 09:30:01 PM
Easy.
Get the fuck out of the way.
That's it.
I was thinking just move. :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on December 18, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
I was thinking just move. :lol:
Even better. Move to Wales. Wait. Bomb London
then move to Wales.
Why are you questioning these Americans for solutions to our problems my European brother? :laugh:
Just kidding, the Americans have always had the answer. Sweden has already shown the answer, like the Americans have already said the issue is to just abandon socialism or as in Sweden case just degrade it and you will already get economic growth. But if socialism only works because of capitalism then why bother with socialism at all and not start from scratch like solar stated.
There are way too many socialists in Europe, which is what ultimately happended in Sweden and shows us that there is no peaceful solution. Conservatives fix the economy and then the cockroaches votes in the welfare whores to once again loot and pillage through taxation to get da welfare. We can only start by scratch by going through another war, and it will come with the EU or without the EU. There can be no coexistence when the parasites becomes too consuming and starts to kill the host.
Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2014, 12:57:36 PM
As Darth pointed out, trash socialism.
The reason the Eurocentric state of States will fail, is because they failed in creating a Republic of sovereign States where the people retain power over the govt.
This is why America is in such dire straits, the Fed has usurped the power of the individuality of State, as in the Marxist using the Executive Order to rewrite laws making Congress worthless.
Of course none of this would have happened if we'd had actual Representation in the GOP. Our govt has failed us, but we, as voters, have spoken through vote, a fruity to bear come January.
Interesting point solar. I know you probably won't like what I'll wrote but for me are almost all politicians the same. They serve mostly themselves.
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 18, 2014, 02:07:14 PM
Glomming together the EU has to be one of the most spectacularly stupid ideas in human history. Placing the economies of Germany, at one extreme, and the likes of Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus and even the Vatican at the other, on the same currency is simply insane. It is, was, and will always be nothing more than a Leftist wealth redistribution scheme on an international scale, precisely the same thing the UN would do tomorrow worldwide, if they thought we wouldn't burn down their damn building.
Out of curiosity, european101, why is it that we don't want to know where you're from?
T-bone I was kidding. I agree with you that euro currency was a mistake. I still belive in the USE. I'm affraid we don't have a choise.
Quote from: AndyJackson on December 18, 2014, 01:50:50 PM
One problem with meeting our european friend in the middle on this topic, is the near polar-opposite uses of the various terms, in our two different societies.
The euros tend to think that conservative means a more loving, mothering, smothering government. And liberal means being liberated from such goodness (of course a bad thing). Just the opposite of the American terms-definitions.
Not sure if they even have a libertarian concept over there, the virtual abandonment of govt. I think they can only think in terms of communism (the loving govt) or socialism (frighteningly small govt for them).
Andy we're European not euros and you are Americans not amies.
Conservative means small gvt., no welfare, low taxes. Socialist means the opposite. Unfortunately on earth are many more socialists than conservatives becouse people don't want to be responsible for themselves.
Quote from: Charliemyboy on December 18, 2014, 04:05:45 PM
The last time I was in England, in addition to the degradation of London, due to what they call Asians, although in reality they are Muslims from the Middle East (No one dares call them by their rightful names,) I was told by a person from the countryside about how he was no longer allowed to grow as many fruits as he used to and as he wished, because the amount is dictated by the EU. Of course this is just another method of wealth distribution. England did keep their own currency because they wanted the picture of Queen Elizabeth on the money, but other than that I see little objection to their being taken over by that bunch which does not believe in national borders and those citizens of Britain's former colonies may enter at will.
The only improvement I saw were these enormous grapes sold at a local street market on Notting Hill from one of the EU countries. It wasn't a big improvement, though, because they were not as tasty as the smaller ones.
If they allow Turkey membership in the EU, as Turkey wants, God help them. Islamization will be complete.
Charliemboy I'm affraid your government supports memebership ot Turkey in the EU :biggrin:
And I'm affraid they are your allies just like Saudi Arabia. You've always supported autocratic coutries as long as they were on your side. The problem with those muslim countries is that you never know when they'll become your enemy.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 18, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
get rid of socialism and work on making a decent car, possibly one that runs on natural gas, yeah the fiat and renault are okay but try something different.
Wait! I have Renault! I think we already have cars on natural gas. I agree with you.
Quote from: Mountainshield on December 19, 2014, 01:13:37 AM
Why are you questioning these Americans for solutions to our problems my European brother? :laugh:
Just kidding, the Americans have always had the answer. Sweden has already shown the answer, like the Americans have already said the issue is to just abandon socialism or as in Sweden case just degrade it and you will already get economic growth. But if socialism only works because of capitalism then why bother with socialism at all and not start from scratch like solar stated.
There are way too many socialists in Europe, which is what ultimately happended in Sweden and shows us that there is no peaceful solution. Conservatives fix the economy and then the cockroaches votes in the welfare whores to once again loot and pillage through taxation to get da welfare. We can only start by scratch by going through another war, and it will come with the EU or without the EU. There can be no coexistence when the parasites becomes too consuming and starts to kill the host.
Well yes Europe is full of socialists on welfare. :biggrin:
Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 03:24:32 AM
Well yes Europe is full of socialists on welfare. :biggrin:
Which is why nothing can be done to save Europe before we deal with the internal cancer, personally I'm just waiting for the right leader to come and just cutting the cancer out and bury it in a ditch somewhere. There are already protests in Germany, the media and the socialists are shivering from fear, calling us nazis and other deragatory terms more suited to themselves as they are inherently racist socialists and we just want to get lower taxes and end refugee immigration.
Socialists / Communists are just like global warmists. No amount of proof or utter embarrassment will shut them TFU.
They'll come back every day for 100 years, saying the same things they know have been disproven, because that's the way they'll win.
They know that most of the adult, rational world will walk away eventually, out of disgust and because they've got actual things to do (jobs, families, businesses, school). Whether it's 25, or 50, or 100 years, they will be the last ones at the table for sheer obtuseness......and they get their wins by doing this.
The Trayvon / Ferguson / Garner people don't care that they were spoofed and buffooned in every possible way. They're gonna win something by just not stopping their commotion and threats.
I just wish that we had a consistent answer for this, besides giving in.
Quote from: Mountainshield on December 19, 2014, 03:33:34 AM
Which is why nothing can be done to save Europe before we deal with the internal cancer, personally I'm just waiting for the right leader to come and just cutting the cancer out and bury it in a ditch somewhere. There are already protests in Germany, the media and the socialists are shivering from fear, calling us nazis and other deragatory terms more suited to themselves as they are inherently racist socialists and we just want to get lower taxes and end refugee immigration.
Keep the faith. The Marxists tried to paint TEA as Nazi and look how well that worked out, the Dim/marxists are now out of power with the GOP Establishment following them off the cliff.
I here the ideology of TEA is spreading throughout Europe, and ideas as such freak out the Marxists and make them do and say stupid things while shooting themselves in the foot. :biggrin:
Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 03:19:15 AM
Charliemboy I'm affraid your government supports memebership ot Turkey in the EU :biggrin:
And I'm affraid they are your allies just like Saudi Arabia. You've always supported autocratic coutries as long as they were on your side. The problem with those muslim countries is that you never know when they'll become your enemy.
Yes, and yes.
There is an old story which was actually told me by a Turk. An Alligator and scorpion were standing by a riverside deciding how to get to the other side. The Alligator, of course, just jumped in and started swimming. The scorpion yelled, "Wait, wait." Let me ride on your back across the river." The Alligator said, "No. If I do that you will sting me and I will die." The scorpion swore not to do that and the Alligator allowed him to get on his back for the ride. Halfway across, the scorpion stung the alligator. The alligator was dying, but with his last breath said, "Why did you do that? Now we will both drown." The scorpion said, "Yes, but this is the middle east."
There is no Middle Eastern country which is truly our ally, except possibly Israel. However, Israel has the welfare of it's own country foremost, which is what a country should do. The position of our government and the governments of most European countries, is that if we are nice to the Muslims, they won't hurt us. It galls me that we call countries which have misogynist, murdering, cruel people as our allies, when in reality, their goal is to take over the world for the Grand Caliphate. And, BTW, our President is one of them. Most of our leaders have financial interests in the Middle East and they sacrifice their own country for their own personal gain. Obama was born a Muslim, raised a Muslim and is, IMO, a Muslim still. One does not leave that cult and survive. Our government for the most part does not reflect the wishes of the American people.The only solution is to expel these Islamic troublemakers and send them back to the desert sands, but I fear it is too late and there are too many here and there, as a matter of fact. The camel has not only its nose under the tent, but it's entire body.
Two words for your solution in the EU:
Nigel Farage
Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 02:58:24 AM
Interesting point solar. I know you probably won't like what I'll wrote but for me are almost all politicians the same. They serve mostly themselves.
EXACTLY!
That is why it is best to keep government to the smallest size practical and limit its power as much as possible.
Us poor colonials came up with that idea a couple of hundered years ago!
Darth
Quote from: Ultima Thule on December 19, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Two words for your solution in the EU:
Nigel Farage
I like Gert Wilders take.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
What if we stay together? You have to consider that Europe of independent states brought us two world war in 20th century. I agree with the other though.
I know most Europeans don't understand this, but that is actually what the U.S. is. For there to be a EU that actually works, they need to adopt the Representative Republic model the U.S. has used for 238 years now.
Quote from: daidalos on December 19, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
I know most Europeans don't understand this, but that is actually what the U.S. is. For there to be a EU that actually works, they need to adopt the Representative Republic model the U.S. has used for 238 years now.
On the surface your suggestion has merit. Unfortunately, in reality the countries would never go for some members having more influence than others due to nationalistic ideals. Would it be by population? GDP? What made the United States unique is we had people from diverse backgrounds, but they came here with common goals and assimilated into a new culture. Another factor is the founding fathers were brilliant in forming the union. I can't see the current European leadership being able to pull off something similar.
Quote from: european101 on December 19, 2014, 03:22:19 AM
Wait! I have Renault! I think we already have cars on natural gas. I agree with you.
Make a 4x4 pick up and I might buy one.... :thumbsup:
For centuries, Europeans had local and national identities. Intercontinental rivalries had the net effect of a powerful continent. Wars, unfortunately, were part of that. Gruesome as many were, those conflicts kept men and women on their toes. People maintained a sense of country. People stayed on the edge, not soft.
Then, for many years, Americans carried the torch of independence, pride, self reliance, both as individuals and as effective business and government organizations.
What ails Europe also applies to the USA. I'd say the USA definitely let Europe down when it
elected Obama. On the other hand, that served as a wake up call to Europe that the moral decay of the West had succeeded in taking root in America, too. I am expecting Europe to lead us out of
temptation.
Quote from: red_dirt on December 20, 2014, 05:01:33 AM
For centuries, Europeans had local and national identities. Intercontinental rivalries had the net effect of a powerful continent. Wars, unfortunately, were part of that. Gruesome as many were, those conflicts kept men and women on their toes. People maintained a sense of country. People stayed on the edge, not soft.
Then, for many years, Americans carried the torch of independence, pride, self reliance, both as individuals and as effective business and government organizations.
What ails Europe also applies to the USA. I'd say the USA definitely let Europe down when it
elected Obama. On the other hand, that served as a wake up call to Europe that the moral decay of the West had succeeded in taking root in America, too. I am expecting Europe to lead us out of
temptation.
Interesting post Rd. But what moral decay do you mean?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 19, 2014, 05:28:20 PM
Make a 4x4 pick up and I might buy one.... :thumbsup:
Tipical for Americans. Strong engines and 4x4 pick ups :biggrin:
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 08:11:22 AM
Interesting post Rd. But what moral decay do you mean?
I''m going to guess you're in your early 20s?
The world we, as Americans see today, is 180 degrees of what it was just 40 short years ago.
Quote from: Solar on December 20, 2014, 08:22:02 AM
I''m going to guess you're in your early 20s?
The world we, as Americans see today, is 180 degrees of what it was just 40 short years ago.
Still don't know what do you mean? You want to say the world has been better 40 years ago?
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 08:19:43 AM
Tipical for Americans. Strong engines and 4x4 pick ups :biggrin:
Yep, most of America is still unsettled wilderness, and a 4X4 truck is a necessity if you want to live outside the city.
My neighbor had family visiting from Germany, when they saw me unloading a bunch of lumber from my truck while building my home, the whole idea to them was ludicrous according to my neighbor.
I inquired as to why, and they had told him that in Germany, it was illegal to build ones own home due to Govt established Unions, and in building your own home was literally seen as stealing food from the mouths of the construction worker as well as illegal.
As foreign, the idea is to me in being dependent upon govt for a job, the idea of my individualism in building my own home all by myself, is seen as selfish in the eyes of the socialists.
Quote from: Solar on December 20, 2014, 08:33:09 AM
I inquired as to why, and they had told him that in Germany, it was illegal to build ones own home due to Govt established Unions, and in building your own home was literally seen as stealing food from the mouths of the construction worker as well as illegal.
Actually I don't belive that.
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 08:39:21 AM
Actually I don't belive that.
I looked it up myself after he told me that, and yes, you can build yourself, but, not by yourself, you have to use govt/union certified tradesmen, and pay the prevailing wage, which winds up costing more in the long run because of the permit process involved as well as delays.
It favors contractors where permitting is concerned, because they move ahead in line over the individual trying to go it alone. It's also a lot cheaper to go prefab from a factory, so the old way of building, contracting, is disappearing as well, but thats happening here too.
I think you'll find this article epitomizes the issue where building in Germany is concerned. Too much red redundant tape in an overly bloated bureaucracy.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/de-meuron-von-gerkan-and-ingenhoven-on-german-construction-headaches-a-905472.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/de-meuron-von-gerkan-and-ingenhoven-on-german-construction-headaches-a-905472.html)
Quote from: Solar on December 20, 2014, 08:54:43 AM
I looked it up myself after he told me that, and yes, you can build yourself, but, not by yourself, you have to use govt/union certified tradesmen, and pay the prevailing wage, which winds up costing more in the long run because of the permit process involved as well as delays.
It favors contractors where permitting is concerned, because they move ahead in line over the individual trying to go it alone. It's also a lot cheaper to go prefab from a factory, so the old way of building, contracting, is disappearing as well, but thats happening here too.
I think you'll find this article epitomizes the issue where building in Germany is concerned. Too much red redundant tape in an overly bloated bureaucracy.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/de-meuron-von-gerkan-and-ingenhoven-on-german-construction-headaches-a-905472.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/de-meuron-von-gerkan-and-ingenhoven-on-german-construction-headaches-a-905472.html)
Regulations like the above is exactly why Europe is in the mess it is in right now. We have too many in the US who want to embrace that entire structure. That is why we have TEA to fight those ideas.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 20, 2014, 09:28:09 AM
Regulations like the above is exactly why Europe is in the mess it is in right now. We have too many in the US who want to embrace that entire structure. That is why we have TEA to fight those ideas.
Yep, you can't seem to do anything without the govt having their finger prints all over it.
Oh wait, that sounds like the US as well. :blink:
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 08:19:43 AM
Tipical for Americans. Strong engines and 4x4 pick ups :biggrin:
LOL you must be a city boy.
Quote from: walkstall on December 20, 2014, 11:10:39 AM
LOL you must be a city boy.
Not at all but pick ups are mostly sold in America. I've always thought the reason for that is becouse you like to give certain things on the back. But then again you've always loved big cars.
They are too big for our narrow streets and spend too many fuel. I personally love American cars from the 50's and 60's
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Not at all but pick ups are mostly sold in America. I've always thought the reason for that is becouse you like to give certain things on the back.
They are too big for our narrow street and spend too many fuel.
In the South it is necessary to have a pickup bed as a place for empty beer cans so we will not litter.
:smile: :smile:
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 20, 2014, 12:02:49 PM
In the South it is necessary to have a pickup bed as a place for empty beer cans so we will not litter.
:smile: :smile:
Haha are you from the South? How many degrees do you have?
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Not at all but pick ups are mostly sold in America. I've always thought the reason for that is becouse you like to give certain things on the back. But then again you've always loved big cars.
They are too big for our narrow streets and spend too many fuel. I personally love American cars from the 50's and 60's
Well we don't have to do this. :lol:
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Quote from: walkstall on December 20, 2014, 12:23:14 PM
Well we don't have to do this. :lol:
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Haha :biggrin:
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Not at all but pick ups are mostly sold in America. I've always thought the reason for that is becouse you like to give certain things on the back. But then again you've always loved big cars.
They are too big for our narrow streets and spend too many fuel. I personally love American cars from the 50's and 60's
We have always favored big cars because Americans just do big stuff. We built big roads to accommodate big cars and big trucks and lots of traffic.
On the other hand, most European situations involve cart paths or pedestrian walkways between rows of buildings. The only country in Europe that has seriously embraced the concept of free individual travel on modern highways is Germany, and that was in the 1930s.
On the third hand (I have three), Europe is a pretty good example of how and where commuter and passenger rail works well. That concept does not work here, and never will. Too much empty space. Passenger rail died here around 1970, and will stay dead, probably forever, despite the tax-money-burning Amtrak.
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 12:04:13 PM
Haha are you from the South? How many degrees do you have?
I am not sure I understand your question. I do have one college degree.
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 20, 2014, 12:30:53 PM
We have always favored big cars because Americans just do big stuff. We built big roads to accommodate big cars and big trucks and lots of traffic.
On the other hand, most European situations involve cart paths or pedestrian walkways between rows of buildings. The only country in Europe that has seriously embraced the concept of free individual travel on modern highways is Germany, and that was in the 1930s.
On the third hand (I have three), Europe is a pretty good example of how and where commuter and passenger rail works well. That concept does not work here, and never will. Too much empty space. Passenger rail died here around 1970, and will stay dead, probably forever, despite the tax-money-burning Amtrak.
Hahaha I have three :biggrin: :biggrin:
Yes yes I know you like big cars. For my taste you've been doing wonderful cars back in the 60's. They are just beautiful. Ah leave that rail cars are more comfortable. But the fuel here is very expensive. 0,3 Gallon / 2$
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Hahaha I have three :biggrin: :biggrin:
Yes yes I know you like big cars. For my taste you've been doing wonderful cars back in the 60's. They are just beautiful. Ah leave that rail cars are more comfortable. But the fuel here is very expensive. 0,3 Gallon / 2$
How much of that is taxes? Our gasoline prices vary here as each state has a different tax structure. when I go from North Carolina to South Carolina I always fill up before I come back into NC as the price is usually about $.25 less in SC.
BTW, you are a good poster. Glad to have you here.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 20, 2014, 01:00:20 PM
How much of that is taxes? Our gasoline prices vary here as each state has a different tax structure. when I go from North Carolina to South Carolina I always fill up before I come back into NC as the price is usually about $.25 less in SC.
BTW, you are a good poster. Glad to have you here.
I think taxes are 50% of that price. Those leftist gvts knows just how to tax people. Yes I know you have cheaper fuel than here.
Tnx for the compliment. But I have do admit you guys here are very very conservative. Ok I'll shut up :biggrin:
How are the women there in NC?
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 01:10:06 PM
I think taxes are 50% of that price. Those leftist gvts knows just how to tax people. Yes I know you have cheaper fuel than here.
Tnx for the compliment. But I have do admit you guys here are very very conservative. Ok I'll shut up :biggrin:
How are the women there in NC?
Just check the name of the forum. No BS here. We are what we are - CONSERVATIVE.
As far your second question, I now know you are young. Many of us here would be described senior citizens so your question is not one we spend a great deal of time on. However, to get an idea about the ladies from the Carolinas I suggest you check out the Fox News Channel and catch Anna Koyman, Heather Childers and Ainsley Earhart. They are all from the Carolinas.
Uhh nice women.
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
Uhh nice women.
You would really like Ole Miss (University of Mississippi). That university specializes in pretty women.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 20, 2014, 01:00:20 PM
How much of that is taxes? Our gasoline prices vary here as each state has a different tax structure. when I go from North Carolina to South Carolina I always fill up before I come back into NC as the price is usually about $.25 less in SC.
BTW, you are a good poster. Glad to have you here.
Here is a handy guide to the various state gas taxes. http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/financial/who-really-gets-the-'obscene-profits'-from-big-oil/msg213125/#msg213125 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/financial/who-really-gets-the-'obscene-profits'-from-big-oil/msg213125/#msg213125)
Quote from: european101 on December 20, 2014, 08:11:22 AM
Interesting post Rd. But what moral decay do you mean?
That is the first time anyone ever asked me to define moral decay in Western Civilization,
first in Europe, and now America catching up. What I know about America I have seen with my own eyes or read about in papers and books so fresh they might as well as have been printed yesterday. I'll treat America with an anecdote, after briefly talking Europe.
First, Europe: When was homosexuality made legal in England? What was the percent of adult male heroin addicts in Berlin in 1920? How long has the Mafia been a prestige calling in Salerno? Have you been to Amsterdam, lately? When did the police start fleeing like children at the hands of angry Moslems? That's what I mean by morality. Rules, standards, courage, integrity. Have you read the "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"?
The USA: Sexual behavior once associated with Brazil, Africa, the Caribbean, is now in the American mainstream. The men are predators and the women are sluts. It's gotten so bad
we have had to legalize gay marriage. Drug abuse is rampant. Young people don't want to
work. Half the country can't even feed itself. That's pretty basic, isn't it? I mean the ability
to acquire the food to sustain one's self? Anyone who lives in the USA and can honestly
say his neighbors are normal should consider himself lucky. Am I communicating a certain
viewpoint?
"Conservative" really means normal ordinary values and behavior. By your standards
this forum is very very conservative. Why do you say that?
Quote from: red_dirt on December 20, 2014, 04:20:23 PM
That is the first time anyone ever asked me to define moral decay in Western Civilization,
first in Europe, and now America catching up. What I know about America I have seen with my own eyes or read about in papers and books so fresh they might as well as have been printed yesterday. I'll treat America with an anecdote, after briefly talking Europe.
First, Europe: When was homosexuality made legal in England? What was the percent of adult male heroin addicts in Berlin in 1920? How long has the Mafia been a prestige calling in Salerno? Have you been to Amsterdam, lately? When did the police start fleeing like children at the hands of angry Moslems? That's what I mean by morality. Rules, standards, courage, integrity. Have you read the "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"?
The USA: Sexual behavior once associated with Brazil, Africa, the Caribbean, is now in the American mainstream. The men are predators and the women are sluts. It's gotten so bad
we have had to legalize gay marriage. Drug abuse is rampant. Young people don't want to
work. Half the country can't even feed itself. That's pretty basic, isn't it? I mean the ability
to acquire the food to sustain one's self? Anyone who lives in the USA and can honestly
say his neighbors are normal should consider himself lucky. Am I communicating a certain
viewpoint?
"Conservative" really means normal ordinary values and behavior. By your standards
this forum is very very conservative. Why do you say that?
Exactly, Conservatism isn't a political movement, it's a way of life for us, like doing the right thing, even when no one is looking, returning an item someone lost and not expecting compensation, falling in a store, and not claiming victim, so as to sue for profit.
In other words, accepting responsibility for your own actions.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 20, 2014, 02:04:11 PM
You would really like Ole Miss (University of Mississippi). That university specializes in pretty women.
I'm already planing a trip there :biggrin:
Quote from: TboneAgain on December 20, 2014, 02:16:39 PM
Here is a handy guide to the various state gas taxes. http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/financial/who-really-gets-the-'obscene-profits'-from-big-oil/msg213125/#msg213125 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/financial/who-really-gets-the-'obscene-profits'-from-big-oil/msg213125/#msg213125)
Tnx tbone. You also have very high taxes on oil.
Quote from: red_dirt on December 20, 2014, 04:20:23 PM
That is the first time anyone ever asked me to define moral decay in Western Civilization,
first in Europe, and now America catching up. What I know about America I have seen with my own eyes or read about in papers and books so fresh they might as well as have been printed yesterday. I'll treat America with an anecdote, after briefly talking Europe.
First, Europe: When was homosexuality made legal in England? What was the percent of adult male heroin addicts in Berlin in 1920? How long has the Mafia been a prestige calling in Salerno? Have you been to Amsterdam, lately? When did the police start fleeing like children at the hands of angry Moslems? That's what I mean by morality. Rules, standards, courage, integrity. Have you read the "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"?
The USA: Sexual behavior once associated with Brazil, Africa, the Caribbean, is now in the American mainstream. The men are predators and the women are sluts. It's gotten so bad
we have had to legalize gay marriage. Drug abuse is rampant. Young people don't want to
work. Half the country can't even feed itself. That's pretty basic, isn't it? I mean the ability
to acquire the food to sustain one's self? Anyone who lives in the USA and can honestly
say his neighbors are normal should consider himself lucky. Am I communicating a certain
viewpoint?
"Conservative" really means normal ordinary values and behavior. By your standards
this forum is very very conservative. Why do you say that?
Aha I see. Rules, standards, courage, integrity. The problem is that each political group has Its own view on what moral rules and standards are. Each political group see what you called moral decay from Its own perspective. Each individual has Its own view on what for him is moral decay.
What do you think Europe and America were better 100 years ago? No they were not. It was different yes. But different moral decay. Those things you mentioned were hapening even before just that now we are more informed about it and things maybe become more visible. Just remember what happened in America 50 years ago in the 60's. That wasn't moral decay?
We consider muslims as barbaric but they consider us as barbaric. Simple.
As we live in liberty each individual has the right to have its own opinion about everything. Even opinion what for him is acceptable and what it is not.
And if you ask me liberty is one thing Western civilisation differs from other barbaric civilisations.
Quote from: european101 on December 21, 2014, 04:11:31 AM
Tnx tbone. You also have very high taxes on oil.
LOL Name one thing we don't. If it don't move we tax it. If it moves we tax it twice. If you find something there not taxing they will triple the tax on it to make up for it.
Quote from: walkstall on December 21, 2014, 04:50:50 AM
LOL Name one thing we don't. If it don't move we tax it. If it moves we tax it twice. If you find something there not taxing they will triple the tax on it to make up for it.
Isn't there a new fuel tax coming? Here in California I was just getting use to premium being just under $3 and now can expect it to go back up January 1st.
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Quote from: Solars Toy on December 21, 2014, 07:23:16 AM
Isn't there a new fuel tax coming? Here in California I was just getting use to premium being just under $3 and now can expect it to go back up January 1st.
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My understand Cal. is going up the first of the year. I see in Oregon they now have 15% ethanol in diesel. It cost 50¢ less per gal. I don't understand it as it cost more to make ethanol, so it should be higher. There also looking at taxing cars by there driving mileage or for fuel efficient cars.
Oregon is also look at putting a tax on bottled drinking water on top of the 5¢ for the container.
Quote from: walkstall on December 21, 2014, 07:49:50 AM
My understand Cal. is going up the first of the year. I see in Oregon they now have 15% ethanol in diesel. It cost 50¢ less per gal. I don't understand it as it cost more to make ethanol, so it should be higher. There also looking at taxing cars by there driving mileage or for fuel efficient cars.
Oregon is also look at putting a tax on bottled drinking water on top of the 5¢ for the container.
Does OR still not let folks fuel their own Vehicles? I love libs who do not think the citizens are smart enough to get out of bed.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 21, 2014, 08:30:34 AM
Does OR still not let folks fuel their own Vehicles? I love libs who do not think the citizens are smart enough to get out of bed.
No you can not put
gas into your vehicles. BUT you can put
diesel in your vehicles. Why I am not sure on the diesel. I think it has something to do with over the road truck driver. I have been told by more than one attendant that I can put diesel in my rig but I can not put gas in it.
Quote from: european101 on December 21, 2014, 04:44:54 AM
Aha I see. Rules, standards, courage, integrity. The problem is that each political group has Its own view on what moral rules and standards are. Each political group see what you called moral decay from Its own perspective. Each individual has Its own view on what for him is moral decay.
We consider muslims as barbaric but they consider us as barbaric. Simple.
That position is referred to in these circles as "moral relativism," a belief that morality is kind of like the shirt I put on in the morning. I choose the one that fits, fits in, suits the temperature and weather, and feels right on that day.
The reference to standards reflects a belief is what is called "cultural relativism." That is the belief that any or all cultures not only arise appropriately to suit populations, but if a person can convince himself that one is a good as another, a Universalist view, the he has no problem dropping his own culture, chameleon like, and going with the flow. Conservatives by and large have rejected that outlook.
Oh, I absolutely believe Europe and America have been moving in the wrong direction. So do a lot of other people. We are seeing the century pendulum swing back towards the conservative
approach to life. The left is not happy about it.
Quote from: european101 on December 18, 2014, 07:50:38 AM
What do you suggest what EU should do to improve our economic situation? We have 26 mio. of unemployed people an weak economic growth.
New president of European commison says we will start a 300 billion infrastructre program. But is this the right way?
I'd rather see lower taxes for private companies and people. That would attract foreign investments and strengthen economic growth.
Okay, I feel that this is the 600 lb gorilla sitting the middle of the room that nobody wants to talk about. Everybody has been dancing around the edges, but I'm going to lay it on the line.
Stop depending on the American taxpayer to subsidize your socialist economies!
Darth
Quote from: red_dirt on December 21, 2014, 09:14:15 AM
That position is referred to in these circles as "moral relativism," a belief that morality is kind of like the shirt I put on in the morning. I choose the one that fits, fits in, suits the temperature and weather, and feels right on that day.
The reference to standards reflects a belief is what is called "cultural relativism." That is the belief that any or all cultures not only arise appropriately to suit populations, but if a person can convince himself that one is a good as another, a Universalist view, the he has no problem dropping his own culture, chameleon like, and going with the flow. Conservatives by and large have rejected that outlook.
Oh, I absolutely believe Europe and America have been moving in the wrong direction. So do a lot of other people. We are seeing the century pendulum swing back towards the conservative
approach to life. The left is not happy about it.
You can call it moral relativism or anykind of relativism. The fact is we live in liberty and in liberty each indivdual has the right to its own opinion what for him is moral and what it isn't.
Immoral things, immoral life has been happening since ancient times. And it will happen in the future. Expecting the West will stop to do what you call moral decay is unrealistic. Becouse we are moral decay and becouse you won't ever find individual who would be morally perfect.
Quote from: european101 on December 21, 2014, 10:11:40 AM
You can call it moral relativism or anykind of relativism. The fact is we live in liberty and in liberty each indivdual has the right to its own opinion what for him is moral and what it isn't.
This is where we agree to disagree. The debate really won't lead anywhere and Darth Fife is right: We are dancing around the issue. Your concerns should be aside from anything I or anyone else should be preaching about morality.
I think the question is, from a European, "What do you Americans feel we should do?"
That is a perfectly honest question.
You know, Washington is trying to push a North American Union in much the same way
The European Union has been formed. If you know Canada, and you know Brazil, you kind of have to wonder.
The political development I see gaining steam in Europe are the Nationalist Fronts.
These, too, are critical times for the American left wing. If you have been reading the
American news, there is something of a crime wave here, but not your usual criminals.
More like a war. Obama has been accused of wanting to start a civil war.