And as the great Luca Brasi would say...

"And I hope that their first child is a masculine child."

West Point Chapel to Host First Same-Sex Wedding Ceremony

The first same-sex wedding ceremony will be held Saturday at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point's Cadet Chapel, USA Today reported.

Two women, Brenda Sue Fulton and Penelope Dara Gnesin, will exchange vows one year after the "don't ask, don't tell" policy banning gays from serving openly in the military came to an end.

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/west-point-chapel-to-host-first-same-sex-wedding-ceremony/

My country bleeds.....

Two people want to get married to one another. None of my business.

Military is neither a social experiment nor a reflection of present day society.
The only reason for this is to destroy it's core and rot it from within.

Government should have nothing to do with marriage, otherwise why stop here? If it's just for the sake of getting the benefits, pay less tax for example, why can't I marry a rock and file joint tax return? 

I don't think this is going to harm the military at all Solar.

Do you support same sex marriage if it is done outside of military ?

Quote from: redlom xof on December 02, 2012, 05:58:15 AM
I don't think this is going to harm the military at all Solar.

Do you support same sex marriage if it is done outside of military ?

Like rocca just said, it's none of the Govts business, period.

Marriage was always a Religious issue, something the govt/state should have never been allowed to be involved with, their meddling is unconstitutional, and now forcing the Military to accept social change for no reason, is another violation of the First Amendment.

Why is it you can't see the connection here?

If you believe it's none of the governments business, you would allow gay people to get married then ?

Allowing gay people to get married or allowing them to openly serve doesn't violate the first amendment.

QuoteCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Government must maintain the definition of MARRIAGE.  It has a stake in the maintenance and preservation of the family unit for the stability of the nation for future generations.  Two men, or two women, or a woman and her car cannot be "married," any more than the sun can be called the moon.

Quote from: redlom xof on December 02, 2012, 06:44:10 AM
If you believe it's none of the governments business, you would allow gay people to get married then ?

Allowing gay people to get married or allowing them to openly serve doesn't violate the first amendment.

Never said otherwise.
Personally I don't give a damn how people live their lives as long as it doesn't effect mine.
Can you understand that, does that make any sense to you?
This is and never should have been a left vs right issue, the left uses people of all stripes to beat the right over the head, all for one singular goal of destroying American culture.

If someone wants to get married, that's their business, the state has no right sanctioning it, period.
As to the Military, it is an institution in and of itself that has worked since the time of Khan, and the rules really haven't changed, until now.
Demoralizing the individual soldier plays into the hands of the enemy, Govt forcing institutional change is giving the enemy one more weapon in their arsenal.

Can you drop the emotional BS for just a moment and absorb what I'm saying?
It has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with beating the right, it's how the left has framed it.

QuoteNever said otherwise.
Personally I don't give a damn how people live their lives as long as it doesn't effect mine.
Can you understand that, does that make any sense to you?

Yes.

QuoteThis is and never should have been a left vs right issue, the left uses people of all stripes to beat the right over the head, all for one singular goal of destroying American culture.

Sounds like hyperbolic fear.

QuoteIf someone wants to get married, that's their business, the state has no right sanctioning it, period.

Agreed.

QuoteAs to the Military, it is an institution in and of itself that has worked since the time of Khan, and the rules really haven't changed, until now.
Demoralizing the individual soldier plays into the hands of the enemy, Govt forcing institutional change is giving the enemy one more weapon in their arsenal.

Government has forced institutional change on to the military before.

Also, how does allowing gays to openly serve give our enemies 'one more weapon in their arsenal.'

QuoteCan you drop the emotional BS for just a moment and absorb what I'm saying?

What a random comment. I'm just debating the reasons why people on this forum don't want same sex marriage. If you're homophobic just come say it. Don't pretend like I'm trying to silence you through political correctness or something.

QuoteIt has nothing to do with rights and everything to do with beating the right, it's how the left has framed it.

I think it is to do with rights.

Just let them get married for christ sake. Who really cares.

Quote from: redlom xof on December 02, 2012, 08:31:27 AM
Yes.

Apparently not....
Sounds like hyperbolic fear.

QuoteGovernment has forced institutional change on to the military before.

Precedent is not correlation...

Quote
Also, how does allowing gays to openly serve give our enemies 'one more weapon in their arsenal.'

You would have to serve to get it, there is no place for individualism in the Military, that's why our military forces everyone to dress alike, same hair length etc.

QuoteWhat a random comment. I'm just debating the reasons why people on this forum don't want same sex marriage. If you're homophobic just come say it. Don't pretend like I'm trying to silence you through political correctness or something.

Again, marriage over the eons has been a Religious ceremony based on the belief that a man and woman unite under the approval of a God, Govt involvement is usurping the right of Church and the 1st Amendment by replacing God.
Again, if the Govt would get out of the business of marriage, no one on the Right would care what two men do, because Govt is not forcing social change.
 

QuoteI think it is to do with rights.

Just let them get married for christ sake. Who really cares.

Of course that's how you see it, the left is making it an emotional issue disguised as rights, when in fact it is anything but.
Stop viewing it as an emotional issue for a moment and boil it down to Govt interfering in Religion.
Like I said, no one cares what fags do, it's when Govt dictates to the rest of us is when it becomes an issue.

Quote from: redlom xof on December 02, 2012, 05:58:15 AM
I don't think this is going to harm the military at all Solar.

Do you support same sex marriage if it is done outside of military ?

I don't care what anybody does. I do however, have a problem with amending the dictionary to change the definition of the word "marriage". It has meant one thing since the beginning of civilized humanity. I don't think it's evil or homophobic for me to not be okay with changing the definition of the relationship that I have with my wife. I have rights also, not just gays. Marriage is the word for heterosexual commitments, (husband and wife), and civil unions, (or something else), can be the term for homosexual commitments, since they are not husband and wife, and usually refer to each other as partners.

I also don't care what anybody says.............open homosexuality within the military will have a negative impact on both morale, and combat readiness. Just as it would if heterosexual men and women shared the same sleeping quarters while deployed. It would create problems.

Quote from: redlom xof on December 02, 2012, 02:15:19 AM
Two people want to get married to one another. None of my business.

Agreed.

And if two people who love each other and they also love a third person and they all want to get married, that is none of my business either!

   So true! And the woman who married the Eiffel Tower, none of my business!  Even though she continues to commit adultery with the tower with a piece of fence post she sleeps with!

QuoteErika La Tour Eiffel, 37, a former soldier who lives in San Francisco, has been in love with objects before. Her first infatuation was with Lance, a bow that helped her to become a world-class archer, she is fond of the Berlin Wall and she claims to have a physical relationship with a piece of fence she keeps in her bedroom.

But it is the Eiffel Tower she has pledged to love, honour and obey in an intimate ceremony attended by a handful of friends. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2074301/Woman-with-objects-fetish-marries-Eiffel-Tower.html

But shouldn't her married name be "Tower"???