The Democratic-controlled House on Friday approved a bill to decriminalize and tax marijuana at the federal level, reversing what supporters called a failed policy of criminalization of pot use and taking steps to address racial disparities in enforcement of federal drug laws.
Opponents, mostly Republicans, called the bill a hollow political gesture and mocked Democrats for bringing it up at a time when thousands of Americans are dying from the coronavirus pandemic.
The final vote was 228-164, with most Democrats joined by 5 Republicans and an independent to pass the legislation. Most Republicans and six Democrats opposed the bill.
https://6abc.com/decriminalize-marijuana-legalize-legal-cannabis-senate/8494692/
I didn't know this was in the works. I'm not in disagreement with the bill, but I'd have to dig a little into it to see what it entails. Unless the Senate flips, though, this is DOA.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 11:24:59 AM
The Democratic-controlled House on Friday approved a bill to decriminalize and tax marijuana at the federal level, reversing what supporters called a failed policy of criminalization of pot use and taking steps to address racial disparities in enforcement of federal drug laws.
Opponents, mostly Republicans, called the bill a hollow political gesture and mocked Democrats for bringing it up at a time when thousands of Americans are dying from the coronavirus pandemic.
The final vote was 228-164, with most Democrats joined by 5 Republicans and an independent to pass the legislation. Most Republicans and six Democrats opposed the bill.
https://6abc.com/decriminalize-marijuana-legalize-legal-cannabis-senate/8494692/
I didn't know this was in the works. I'm not in disagreement with the bill, but I'd have to dig a little into it to see what it entails. Unless the Senate flips, though, this is DOA.
There's your dirty little secret! This is not freedom, this is just another source of govt revenue disguised as freedom.
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2020, 12:35:29 PM
There's your dirty little secret! This is not freedom, this is just another source of govt revenue disguised as freedom.
YEP!! LOL the Dem's are saying why should the states get to tax Marijuana and not big government. So now the starts and big government will be taxing Marijuana.
who would'a thunk it? Just one more double tax.
So...you're not against decriminalization just against the Federal government taxing...
What's the proposed tax rate?
Edit: nevermind, I see it's 5%.
I'm also pleasantly surprised by Matt Gaetz. He was a co-sponsor
Democrats will stop at nothing to destroy liberty....SOMA for all they will insist.....
Quote from: Owebo on December 04, 2020, 12:57:27 PM
Democrats will stop at nothing to destroy liberty....SOMA for all they will insist.....
1. If this were to become a law you wouldn't have less liberty.
2. what's SOMA?
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 12:52:10 PM
So...you're not against decriminalization just against the Federal government taxing...
What's the proposed tax rate?
Edit: nevermind, I see it's 5%.
I'm also pleasantly surprised by Matt Gaetz. He was a co-sponsor
So once again putting words in our mouth. F the state tax and the government tax. Marijuana is a drug and should only be by Rx ( prescriptions) for medical problems by a doctor.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 01:05:35 PM
1. If this were to become a law you wouldn't have less liberty.
2. what's SOMA?
Liberty would cease to exist if this were to become a law....thus democrats push....
Read a book, this isn't a game.....
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 12:52:10 PM
So...you're not against decriminalization just against the Federal government taxing...
What's the proposed tax rate?
Edit: nevermind, I see it's 5%.
I'm also pleasantly surprised by Matt Gaetz. He was a co-sponsor
What part of "decriminalization" do you not get? Why does the govt get a cut if someone wants to grow a plant and share it?
I warned about this over a decade ago, that the only reason weed would become legal, is if govt got a cut.
If you're serious, you should be demanding that decriminalization comes with no strings, period! Otherwise, it will become a marketable industry, unlike backyard gardens.
Should there be laws governing it? You bet, but it shouldn't come with a bribe attached.
Quote from: walkstall on December 04, 2020, 01:05:43 PM
So once again putting words in our mouth. F the state tax and the government tax. Marijuana is a drug and should only be by Rx ( prescriptions) for medical problems by a doctor.
I'm not against that.
And that can still be the case even if this law passes. Each State treats it differently.
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2020, 01:09:24 PM
What part of "decriminalization" do you not get? Why does the govt get a cut if someone wants to grow a plant and share it?
I warned about this over a decade ago, that the only reason weed would become legal, is if govt got a cut.
If you're serious, you should be demanding that decriminalization comes with no strings, period! Otherwise, it will become a marketable industry, unlike backyard gardens.
Should there be laws governing it? You bet, but it shouldn't come with a bribe attached.
I've heard for many years the advocates of outright legalization argue that the politicians should do it for the income alone. For them, the tax is worth it.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
I'm not against that.
And that can still be the case even if this law passes. Each State treats it differently.
Then the Fed law should take them to court and jail some asses.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 01:51:10 PM
I've heard for many years the advocates of outright legalization argue that the politicians should do it for the income alone. For them, the tax is worth it.
I've never heard that argument, and its been an issue with Libertarians for decades. They are the ones who've been backing decriminalization since day one.
Anytime govt gets involved with ANYTHING, they fuck it up! Simply decimalize it and call it a day. If everyone can grow it with impunity, there goes the profit factor, guaranteed!
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2020, 02:01:27 PM
I've never heard that argument, and its been an issue with Libertarians for decades. They are the ones who've been backing decriminalization since day one.
Anytime govt gets involved with ANYTHING, they fuck it up! Simply decimalize it and call it a day. If everyone can grow it with impunity, there goes the profit factor, guaranteed!
I don't think that decriminalizing it stops you from growing it in your own backyard.
But there were always going to be some companies in the market offering the product w/o you having to grow it yourself.
Those companies were always going to have to pay a tax. Even if it were just State taxes.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 01:51:10 PM
I've heard for many years the advocates of outright legalization argue that the politicians should do it for the income alone. For them, the tax is worth it.
SOMA has nothing to do with taxes.....
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 02:08:54 PM
I don't think that decriminalizing it stops you from growing it in your own backyard.
But there were always going to be some companies in the market offering the product w/o you having to grow it yourself.
Those companies were always going to have to pay a tax. Even if it were just State taxes.
I didn't say any such thing. I Said decriminalizing allows anyone to grow it "with impunity", that means no strings attached.
Why are Democrats drug addicts?
:confused:
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 04, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
Why are Democrats drug addicts?
:confused:
The socialists know that half of America is pliable and SOMA will keep them that way...and out of the other half of America, SOMA will make them become pliable...SOMA is the democrat holy grail....
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 01:05:35 PM
1. If this were to become a law you wouldn't have less liberty.
Are you stoned right now? I guess this is all fun and giggles. And of course no one goes on to try and get a better high, do they?
Hopefully this is DOA. There are already too many brain dead stoned idiots who think there really is such a thing as a "free" lunch.
The very first thing you'll hear if this nonsense passes? Whitey has the better dope. The communities of color should have the good stuff too, and for free. Racist.
Why stop at weed, just legalize everything, that way the kids can fry what little brain they have left.
I agree with the legislation. Let it be handled at the local level of government.
With that said, I will just rely on personal experience with the drug to say most people I know who used grass didn't do nearly as well as those who didn't smoke it. Yes, there are a few exceptions like anything else. The parents that smoked weed with their kids have troubled adults now or dead kids.
I haven't seen weed improve anyone's life. It seems like the perfect drug to get people hooked on socialism. The democrats will probably want to make it widely available like vodka in Russia.
Quote from: BayouCountry on December 05, 2020, 05:23:32 AM
I agree with the legislation. Let it be handled at the local level of government.
With that said, I will just rely on personal experience with the drug to say most people I know who used grass didn't do nearly as well as those who didn't smoke it. Yes, there are a few exceptions like anything else. The parents that smoked weed with their kids have troubled adults now or dead kids.
I haven't seen weed improve anyone's life. It seems like the perfect drug to get people hooked on socialism. The democrats will probably want to make it widely available like vodka in Russia.
Democrats fully intend it to be handled by local .gov....why do you think they are pushing it on us.....it's the most effective tool they have to destroy liberty and that is the most effective place to deploy it....
Quote from: Pop Daddy on December 04, 2020, 04:47:15 PM
Are you stoned right now? I guess this is all fun and giggles. And of course no one goes on to try and get a better high, do they?
Hopefully this is DOA. There are already too many brain dead stoned idiots who think there really is such a thing as a "free" lunch.
The very first thing you'll hear if this nonsense passes? Whitey has the better dope. The communities of color should have the good stuff too, and for free. Racist.
Why stop at weed, just legalize everything, that way the kids can fry what little brain they have left.
I'm not afraid of drugs. Legal or illegal, people get addicted to all kinds of shit.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 07:46:31 AM
I'm not afraid of drugs. Legal or illegal, people get addicted to all kinds of shit.
Now I might be way wrong here, but I dont think any gambler or alcoholic was ever as addicted as a heroin addict or a methhead. Modern drugs add a whole new level of addiction beyond what used to be available to humans.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 07:46:31 AM
I'm not afraid of drugs. Legal or illegal, people get addicted to all kinds of shit.
With help from you, you pusherman.
:thumbdown:
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 05, 2020, 07:56:13 AM
With help from you, you pusherman.
:thumbdown:
Actually, I've never liked drugs, legal or illegal.
Big Pharma are the real pushermen. They single-handedly cause and opiod epidemic here.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-opioid-epidemic
Quote from: T Hunt on December 05, 2020, 07:54:49 AM
Now I might be way wrong here, but I dont think any gambler or alcoholic was ever as addicted as a heroin addict or a methhead. Modern drugs add a whole new level of addiction beyond what used to be available to humans.
Seems like the perfect storm. Get as many people so whacked out they can't think straight which leads straight to these young minds buying into the free lunch crap the marxists are promising. Addicted? No problem, the treatment is covered under commiecare. What? No drugs and no money? No problem, the police have been defunded and thefts under $1,000 in value are not prosecuted.
So kids, where should we drive the bus next? I know, everyone chip in with you government issued EBT card and will buy all the weed we can find and then go to Disney World, it's all free. Job, what job, well do that tomorrow.
Right now the weed being produced can bring on what they call "couch lock", so stoned you can't get up off the couch. Legalize it, let big pharma get their hands on the science and soon we'll have dens over here like the Chinese opium dens.
We'll all be drinking that free bubble up and eating that rainbow stew. Good luck with that.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 08:07:21 AM
Actually, I've never liked drugs, legal or illegal.
Big Pharma are the real pushermen. They single-handedly cause and opiod epidemic here.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-opioid-epidemic
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 04, 2020, 11:24:59 AM
The Democratic-controlled House on Friday approved a bill to decriminalize and tax marijuana at the federal level, reversing what supporters called a failed policy of criminalization of pot use and taking steps to address racial disparities in enforcement of federal drug laws.
Opponents, mostly Republicans, called the bill a hollow political gesture and mocked Democrats for bringing it up at a time when thousands of Americans are dying from the coronavirus pandemic.
The final vote was 228-164, with most Democrats joined by 5 Republicans and an independent to pass the legislation. Most Republicans and six Democrats opposed the bill.
https://6abc.com/decriminalize-marijuana-legalize-legal-cannabis-senate/8494692/
I didn't know this was in the works. I'm not in disagreement with the bill, but I'd have to dig a little into it to see what it entails. Unless the Senate flips, though, this is DOA.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 07:46:31 AM
I'm not afraid of drugs. Legal or illegal, people get addicted to all kinds of shit.
I am terrified of your kind destroying liberty....
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 05, 2020, 08:15:00 AM
:rolleyes:
for example...Just because I don't have or want an RV, doesn't mean I oppose RVs. Use your common sense, if you have any.
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 10:26:20 AM
I am terrified of your kind destroying liberty....
You must also be afraid of the dark, then..
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 02:45:02 PM
You must also be afraid of the dark, then..
Nope...just you socialists and your SOMA...
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 02:48:41 PM
Nope...just you socialists and your SOMA...
If you're scared, go to church.
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 02:48:41 PM
Nope...just you socialists and your SOMA...
What's SOMA?
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 02:50:33 PM
If you're scared, go to church.
How will that stop you socialists and your SOMA?
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 02:53:28 PM
How will that stop you socialists and your SOMA?
Pray on it, my friend.
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 02:45:02 PM
You must also be afraid of the dark, then..
Does this not set off red flags?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1334658597737775104
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
Pray on it, my friend.
I'll reserve that for you socialists...
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 02:50:40 PM
What's SOMA?
Brave New World is a dystopian social science fiction novel by English author Aldous Huxley.....
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
Brave New World is a dystopian social science fiction novel by English author Aldous Huxley.....
But it's an acronym for what?
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 03:05:30 PM
But it's an acronym for what?
No, it's a drug used in Huxley's futuristic utopian novel "Brave New World." The substance is supposed to have the affect of modern drugs, yet no side-effects. Could describe bliss, oblivion, pure love, or pure utopia.
It was weaponized by the socialists to control the people and was supported by the people in exactly the same ways we se some posters here doing...
It's a liberty killer.....
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 03:15:46 PM
No, it's a drug used in Huxley's futuristic utopian novel "Brave New World." The substance is supposed to have the affect of modern drugs, yet no side-effects. Could describe bliss, oblivion, pure love, or pure utopia.
It was weaponized by the socialists to control the people and was supported by the people in exactly the same ways we se some posters here doing...
It's a liberty killer.....
Fascinating! Because I knew it was a prescription drug called carisoprodol, brand name Soma. Umm, pretty much has the same effect as Aldos' drug. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 03:41:32 PM
Fascinating! Because I knew it was a prescription drug called carisoprodol, brand name Soma. Umm, pretty much has the same effect as Aldos' drug. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nope...have you read his book? It's another one of those 1984 type prophecies....
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 03:44:26 PM
Nope...have you read his book? It's another one of those 1984 type prophecies....
Sounds close. "Tolerance and physical dependence can occur with prolonged use symptoms (e.g., hallucinations, tremors, anxiety, muscle twitching, insomnia)".
I read his other, Animal House.
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 03:52:51 PM
Sounds close. "Tolerance and physical dependence can occur with prolonged use symptoms (e.g., hallucinations, tremors, anxiety, muscle twitching, insomnia)".
I read his other, Animal House.
Pick up this one, it's a great read....it helps you develop the concept that SOMA and liberty are mutually exclusive....
Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 05, 2020, 02:44:33 PM
for example...Just because I don't have or want an RV, doesn't mean I oppose RVs. Use your common sense, if you have any.
Only a jackass compares buying a specialty vehicle to drugs.
Drugs are a mind and body altering substances that destroy lives. A desire that you want and support. RVs/campers/boats/exotic cars are all luxury purchases. Never see prolonged camping get anybody addicted.
The only correlation between the two would be the addict living in one down by the river.