Now, I am very pro life, but this is just insanity...
QuoteAli Vitali @alivitali
Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 11:56:06 AM
Now, I am very pro life, but this is just insanity...
Is there a link to confirm this?
If Hillary can't get Democrats to the polls, Trump's comments like this will.
QuoteRepublican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Wednesday there would "have to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions if the procedure were outlawed in the U.S.
The comment, which is sure to rile abortion-rights supporters, came during a week where Trump is fighting to defend himself on women's issues on multiple fronts ahead of a key primary in Wisconsin.
At a taping of an MSNBC town hall to be aired later, host Chris Matthews pressed Trump on his anti-abortion position, repeatedly asking him, "Should abortion be punished? This is not something you can dodge."
"Look, people in certain parts of the Republican Party, conservative Republicans, would say, 'Yes, it should,'" Trump answered.
"How about you?" Matthews asked.
"I would say it's a very serious problem and it's a problem we have to decide on. Are you going to send them to jail?" Trump said.
"I am pro-life," Trump said. Asked how a ban would actually work, Trump said, "Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it," Trump said.
Matthews then pressed Trump on whether he believes there should be punishment for abortion if it were illegal
"There has to be some form of punishment," Trump said. "For the woman?" Matthews asked. "Yeah," Trump said, nodding.
Trump said the punishment would "have to be determined."
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-30/trump-says-abortion-ban-should-carry-punishment-for-women
Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 11:56:06 AM
Now, I am very pro life, but this is just insanity...
All well and fine, but is Ali Vitali Trump himself?
There's a reason I don't Twitter/Faceplant or any number of social media, and this is one of them, they out right suck.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 30, 2016, 12:12:58 PM
Is there a link to confirm this?
Not at this time. This was apparently said during a town hall that Trump is currently taping with Chris Matthews that will air tonight.
Along with the above tweet that I posted, Shepard Smith also reported it on FOX just a few moments ago.
Quote from: Dori on March 30, 2016, 12:16:48 PM
If Hillary can't get Democrats to the polls, Trump's comments like this will.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-30/trump-says-abortion-ban-should-carry-punishment-for-women
Thanks Dori for posting that. I didnt know there was a link to a report online about it yet.
First Trump says to Tim Russert that he is "very pro choice in every aspect" to now saying women deserve punishment for an abortion.
I dont think Ive ever seen anyone in politics go from one extreme side of the spectrum to the other extreme side of the spectrum with any issue the way Trump has claimed to have done. At least not as far as I can remember right now.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 11:56:06 AM
Now, I am very pro life, but this is just insanity...
This is his response on getting out the women's vote... :lol:
Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
First Trump says to Tim Russert that he is "very pro choice in every aspect" to now saying women deserve punishment for an abortion.
I dont think Ive ever seen anyone in politics go from one extreme side of the spectrum to the other extreme side of the spectrum with any issue the way Trump has claimed to have done. At least not as far as I can remember right now.
He's a man without moral convictions or principles, essentially your basic liberal.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
First Trump says to Tim Russert that he is "very pro choice in every aspect" to now saying women deserve punishment for an abortion.
I dont think Ive ever seen anyone in politics go from one extreme side of the spectrum to the other extreme side of the spectrum with any issue the way Trump has claimed to have done. At least not as far as I can remember right now.
I can see some people having a change of heart over time, but Trump seems to change his opinions from day to day, even contradicting himself in the same interview. He makes my head spin.
Who needs debates when this SOB can hang himself in town halls and interviews.
Quote from: Bronx on March 30, 2016, 12:53:23 PM
Who needs debates when this SOB can hang himself in town halls and interviews.
There's the smell of weakness in the the air, and it looks the the Zombie MSN has finally caught a wiff of it and are doing there job.
Unfortunately his Zombie followers have a far higher threshold before they wake up.
The good news is that before long they will have trump in quarantine from the press to avoid any more outburst of HIS reality.
Looks like the left will be bringing the war on women back.
To leave it hanging as the punishment must be determined is a real negative for Trump. As a disclaimer I try to stay away from the abortion issue as it is a very emotional issue, however, I will venture into this a little.
I am personally opposed to abortion except in the case of rape or incest. However, as it stands today it is a legal medical procedure. I believe the judgement will come between God and the individual.
Trump has now gone on record as to punishing a person for a perfectly legal procedure. That will go nowhere and he is just pandering to a certain constituency. It is nothing more than his endless babbling to try and gain support. I hope all his inconsistencies and babbles are catching up with him.
Quote from: Dori on March 30, 2016, 12:32:27 PM
I can see some people having a change of heart over time, but Trump seems to change his opinions from day to day, even contradicting himself in the same interview. He makes my head spin.
He has no good opinions because he can change them all of the time.When questioned over and over again he refused to answer what the punishment would be for having a abortion.I bet he doesn't care cause he can always send a woman to Switzerland or some other liberal place.
Quote from: DwayneHoover on March 30, 2016, 01:47:48 PM
He has no good opinions because he can change them all of the time.When questioned over and over again he refused to answer what the punishment would be for having a abortion.I bet he doesn't care cause he can always send a woman to Switzerland or some other liberal place.
You obviously did not see my post. If you are going to join this board, please offer some substance.
Here is the full transcript of the exchange between Trump and Chris Matthews regarding abortion. Its long but its a jaw dropper...
QuoteAUDIENCE QUESTION: Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your stance on women's rights and their rights to choose in their own reproductive health?
TRUMP: OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I'm pro-life. Right, I think you know that, and I — with exceptions, with the three exceptions. But pretty much, that's my stance. Is that OK? You understand?
MATTHEWS: What should the law be on abortion?
TRUMP: Well, I have been pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know, what should the law — I know your principle, that's a good value. But what should be the law?
TRUMP: Well, you know, they've set the law and frankly the judges — I mean, you're going to have a very big election coming up for that reason, because you have judges where it's a real tipping point.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: And with the loss the Scalia, who was a very strong conservative...
MATTHEWS: I understand.
TRUMP: ... this presidential election is going to be very important, because when you say, "what's the law, nobody knows what's the law going to be. It depends on who gets elected, because somebody is going to appoint conservative judges and somebody is going to appoint liberal judges, depending on who wins.
MATTHEWS: I know. I never understood the pro-life position.
TRUMP: Well, a lot of people do understand.
MATTHEWS: I never understood it. Because I understand the principle, it's human life as people see it.
TRUMP: Which it is.
MATTHEWS: But what crime is it?
TRUMP: Well, it's human life.
MATTHEWS: No, should the woman be punished for having an abortion?
TRUMP: Look...
MATTHEWS: This is not something you can dodge.
TRUMP: It's a — no, no...
MATTHEWS: If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under law. Should abortion be punished?
TRUMP: Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and Conservative Republicans would say, "yes, they should be punished."
MATTHEWS: How about you?
TRUMP: I would say that it's a very serious problem. And it's a problem that we have to decide on. It's very hard.
MATTHEWS: But you're for banning it?
TRUMP: I'm going to say — well, wait. Are you going to say, put them in jail? Are you — is that the (inaudible) you're talking about?
MATTHEWS: Well, no, I'm asking you because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean?
TRUMP: I would — I am against — I am pro-life, yes.
MATTHEWS: What is ban — how do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?
TRUMP: Well, you know, you will go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places
MATTHEWS: Yes?
TRUMP: But you have to ban it
MATTHEWS: You banning, they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school.
TRUMP: Are you Catholic?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I think...
TRUMP: And how do you feel about the Catholic Church's position?
MATTHEWS: Well, I accept the teaching authority of my Church on moral issues
TRUMP: I know, but do you know their position on abortion?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I do
TRUMP: And do you concur with the position?
MATTHEWS: I concur with their moral position but legally, I get to the question — here's my problem with it...
(LAUGHTER)
TRUMP: No, no, but let me ask you, but what do you say about your Church?
MATTHEWS: It's not funny.
TRUMP: Yes, it's really not funny
What do you say about your church? They're very, very strong.
MATTHEWS: They're allowed to — but the churches make their moral judgments, but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive of the United
States. Do you believe...
TRUMP: No, but...
MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment
MATTHEWS: For the woman
TRUMP: Yes, there has to be some form
MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What?
TRUMP: Let me just tell you — I don't know. That I don't know. That I don't know.
MATTHEWS: Why not
TRUMP: I don't know.
MATTHEWS: You take positions on everything else.
TRUMP: Because I don't want to — I frankly, I do take positions on everything else. It's a very complicated position.
MATTHEWS: But you say, one, that you're pro-life meaning that you want to ban it
TRUMP: But wait a minute, wait a minute. But the Catholic Church is pro-life
MATTHEWS: I'm not talking about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no, I am talking about your religion. Your religion — I mean, you say that you're a very good Catholic. Your religion is your life. Let me ask you this..
MATTHEWS: I didn't say very good. I said I'm Catholic (LAUGHTER) And secondly, I'm asking — you're running for President.
TRUMP: No, no...
MATTHEWS: I'm not.
TRUMP: Chris — Chris.
MATTHEWS: I'm asking you, what should a woman face if she chooses to have an abortion?
TRUMP: I'm not going to do that.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: I'm not going to play that game.
MATTHEWS: Game?
TRUMP: You have...
MATTHEWS: You said you're pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: That means banning abortion
TRUMP: And so is the Catholic Church pro-life.
MATTHEWS: But they don't control the — this isn't Spain, the Church doesn't control the government
TRUMP: What is the punishment under the Catholic Church? What is the...
MATTHEWS: Let me give something from the New Testament, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." Don't ask me about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no...
MATTHEWS: I'm asking you. You want to be president of the United States.
TRUMP: You told me that...
MATTHEWS: You tell me what the law should be.
TRUMP: I have — I have not determined...
MATTHEWS: Just tell me what the law should be. You say you're pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: What does that mean
TRUMP: With exceptions. I am pro-life. I have not determined what the punishment would be.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: Because I haven't determined it
MATTHEWS: When you decide to be pro-life, you should have thought of it. Because...
TRUMP: No, you could ask anybody who is pro-life...
MATTHEWS: OK, here's the problem — here's my problem with this, if you don't have a punishment for abortion — I don't believe in it, of course — people are going to find a way to have an abortion.
TRUMP: You don't believe in what?
MATTHEWS: I don't believe in punishing anybody for having an abortion
TRUMP: OK, fine. OK, (inaudible)/
MATTHEWS: Of course not. I think it's a woman's choice.
TRUMP: So you're against the teachings of your Church?
MATTHEWS: I have a view — a moral view — but I believe we live in a free country, and I don't want to live in a country so fascistic that it could stop a person from making that decision.
TRUMP: But then you are...
MATTHEWS: That would be so invasive.
TRUMP: I know but I've heard you speaking...
MATTHEWS: So determined of a society that I wouldn't able — one we are familiar with. And Donald Trump, you wouldn't be familiar with.
TRUMP: But I've heard you speaking so highly about your religion and your Church.
MATTHEWS: Yes.
TRUMP: Your Church is very, very strongly as you know, pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: What do you say to your Church?
MATTHEWS: I say, I accept your moral authority. In the United States, the people make the decision, the courts rule on what's in the Constitution, and we live by that. That's why I say.
TRUMP: Yes, but you don't live by it because you don't accept it. You can't accept it. You can't accept it. You can't accept it.
MATTHEWS: Can we go back to matters of the law and running for president because matters of law, what I'm talking about, and this is the difficult situation you've placed yourself in. By saying you're pro-life, you mean you want to ban abortion. How do you ban abortion without some kind of sanction? Then you get in that very tricky question of a sanction, a fine on human life which you call murder?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: A fine, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: What about the guy that gets her pregnant? Is he responsible under the law for these abortions? Or is he not responsible for an abortion?
TRUMP: Well, it hasn't — it hasn't — different feelings, different people. I would say no.
MATTHEWS: Well, they're usually involved. Anyway, much more from the audience here at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay. We'll be right back.
Trump's Campaign has now put out a statement on Trump's abortion comments
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Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 11:56:06 AM
Now, I am very pro life, but this is just insanity...
Only if the women get to use scissors for a little punishment of their own.
Wow: can't wait to hear how racist this is, telling welfare mommas they can't squirt out this year's deductions. Or the women in the GOP telling him, this is NOT the 16th Century and you ARE NOT our candidate.
Quote from: DwayneHoover on March 30, 2016, 01:47:48 PM
He has no good opinions because he can change them all of the time.When questioned over and over again he refused to answer what the punishment would be for having a abortion.I bet he doesn't care cause he can always send a woman to Switzerland or some other liberal place.
Actually the rules on getting an abortion are far stricter in Europe than they are here. See this article in
The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/in-liberal-europe-abortion-laws-come-with-their-own-restrictions/278350/
Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 02:13:06 PM
Here is the full transcript of the exchange between Trump and Chris Matthews regarding abortion. Its long but its a jaw dropper...
For the record. To our readers, as Conservatives, Trump is full of shit!
No, as Conservatives we do not believe women should be punished, if anything, educated on their ignorance, but having an abortion is generally punishment enough for the majority of women and a burden they will carry their entire life for taking a life.
QuoteTRUMP: Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and Conservative Republicans would say, "yes, they should be punished."
It's the woman's decision, and sometimes a medical-decision for an abortion to happen. Trump should've said that.
Quote from: mdgiles on March 30, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
Actually the rules on getting an abortion are far stricter in Europe than they are here. See this article in The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/in-liberal-europe-abortion-laws-come-with-their-own-restrictions/278350/
Thanks.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 30, 2016, 02:10:43 PM
You obviously did not see my post. If you are going to join this board, please offer some substance.
Then you need to have me banned.I already see what kind of person you are.First you must not have read the post by Dori before you wrote your last wrong post an then you attack me.I will make it a point not to reply to your posts an you should not reply to mine unless you can post correct an quit calling me a baiter.
Fighting vulgarians, American-style.....
QuotePeriod pants that let women 'bleed on Donald Trump's face' are so popular they're selling out.
'Bloody Marys Undies', an American company that creates the knickers with faces of Republican who want to hinder women's access to abortions and birth control, has received an "overwhelming number of orders."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/donald-trump-period-knickers-are-a-hit-with-american-women/
Trump wasn't only interviewed by Matthews today.
Trump vows to appoint Supreme Court justices who will investigate Hillary Clinton's emails (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-vows-to-appoint-supreme-court-justices-who-will-investigate-hillary-clintons-emails/)
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Good Morning America on Wednesday that he would appoint Supreme Court justices who would investigate Hillary Clinton's emails.
^Trump is clueless about what the Supreme Court does. They don't do investigations.
Quote from: Dori on March 30, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Trump wasn't only interviewed by Matthews today.
Trump vows to appoint Supreme Court justices who will investigate Hillary Clinton's emails (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-vows-to-appoint-supreme-court-justices-who-will-investigate-hillary-clintons-emails/)
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Good Morning America on Wednesday that he would appoint Supreme Court justices who would investigate Hillary Clinton's emails.
^Trump is clueless about what the Supreme Court does. They don't do investigations.
WOW!!! Even libs know this.
Quote from: Dori on March 30, 2016, 07:11:11 PM
Trump wasn't only interviewed by Matthews today.
Trump vows to appoint Supreme Court justices who will investigate Hillary Clinton's emails (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-vows-to-appoint-supreme-court-justices-who-will-investigate-hillary-clintons-emails/)
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Good Morning America on Wednesday that he would appoint Supreme Court justices who would investigate Hillary Clinton's emails.
^Trump is clueless about what the Supreme Court does. They don't do investigations.
Please let Trump keep making a fool of himself. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on March 30, 2016, 08:19:20 PM
Please let Trump keep making a fool of himself. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The problem is, he can keep making a fool of himself and his followers including those in the media will make excuses for him. Was watching Megan Kelly and it broke my heart to hear Hermin Cain make excuse after excuse ..
My hope is that those that were on the fence are waking up.
Quote from: walkstall on March 30, 2016, 08:19:20 PM
Please let Trump keep making a fool of himself. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You only bet on sure things, do you?.... :lol:
Quote from: mdgiles on March 30, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
Actually the rules on getting an abortion are far stricter in Europe than they are here. See this article in The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/in-liberal-europe-abortion-laws-come-with-their-own-restrictions/278350/
Thank you.The article is very good an you are right.Did you go to the link about the Finnish Baby Boxes.There is a graph that shows baby death rate dropping from 90 out of a thousand babies to 2 deaths from every thousand an mostly from the boxes.I like the way they did this to help babies live.
Quote from: DwayneHoover on March 30, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
Then you need to have me banned.I already see what kind of person you are.First you must not have read the post by Dori before you wrote your last wrong post an then you attack me.I will make it a point not to reply to your posts an you should not reply to mine unless you can post correct an quit calling me a baiter.
What should I call you? Troll?
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
He's a man without moral convictions or principles, essentially your basic liberal.
He is a conservative, had has said himself that he is for universal healthcare, state provided housing, government control of education, higher taxes, tariffs, corporatism, bailouts, wants to build a wall as part of a deal that he is willing compromise everything on...
Quote from: Mountainshield on March 31, 2016, 05:37:43 AM
He is a conservative, had has said himself that he is for universal healthcare, state provided housing, government control of education, higher taxes, tariffs, corporatism, bailouts, wants to build a wall as part of a deal that he is willing compromise everything on...
Well-said.
I'll bet you folks living near the Russians are just thrilled at the thought of how much protection it will cost you, if Trump wins. He'll negotiate YOUR freedom just as fast as he will ours, in the name of the glitz and hustle and carnival-sideshow distraction.
Quote from: Mountainshield on March 31, 2016, 05:37:43 AM
He is a conservative, had has said himself that he is for universal healthcare, state provided housing, government control of education, higher taxes, tariffs, corporatism, bailouts, wants to build a wall as part of a deal that he is willing compromise everything on...
Isn't it amazing that so many have no clue that all of that is pure socialism, yet because Trump has an (R) next to his name.
Morons are willing to settle because they fear Hillary? I'd be laughing if it wasn't so serious.
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2016, 06:36:06 AM
Isn't it amazing that so many have no clue that all of that is pure socialism, yet because Trump has an (R) next to his name.
Morons are willing to settle because they fear Hillary? I'd be laughing if it wasn't so serious.
Go ahead and lean back away from your keyboard (or other device). Close your eyes. Find your calm and your center.
Who would you rather listen to for eight painful years?
Either one's got the ethics of a sewer rat. Watch either one strip away every single thing that makes America great. Watch the nonexistent transparency of the Clinton Foundation (which Hillary refuses to close), or the ravings of the complete court jester Trump---the President who will literally put America into bankruptcy having done so three times himself.
Okay. You can open your eyes now. Better yet, under either one of them just hide under the damned bed.
Quote from: quiller on March 31, 2016, 06:50:16 AM
Go ahead and lean back away from your keyboard (or other device). Close your eyes. Find your calm and your center.
Who would you rather listen to for eight painful years?
Either one's got the ethics of a sewer rat. Watch either one strip away every single thing that makes America great. Watch the nonexistent transparency of the Clinton Foundation (which Hillary refuses to close), or the ravings of the complete court jester Trump---the President who will literally put America into bankruptcy having done so three times himself.
Okay. You can open your eyes now. Better yet, under either one of them just hide under the damned bed.
It's a coin toss, literally.
But there is weight on Hillary's side, considering who she chooses as VP.
Her age and health say's she'll have trouble getting much accomplished in a single day, and her obstinate personality reveals she won't delegate it to her Serfs which is a limiting factor.
Hey, it's something.
No, I've asked myself this question every couple of weeks, and every time I do, the idea of a Hillary over a Trump gets easier to swallow.
However, with that said, it's never going to happen, Trump will not be the next POTUS, and focusing on a socialist in the GOP is not going to help elect Cruz.
The GOP is Hell bent on keeping Cruz away from the WH, they've written the rules in such a way that allows them to pick the candidate of their choosing, but if we all resolve here and now that we'll write in Cruz, the GOP will lose, and TEA will seize the party.
IMO....this guy Trump knows what the hell he is doing. All that work the pro-life movement has done and for Trump to come along, running as a republican, just to throw it all out the window in just one interview is just nuts or like I said he knows what he is doing. After all everyone knows his actions, deeds, and language are liberal.
Trump is a con artist front for the democrat party. He and Chis Matthews knew what they were doing. Place the gotcha question before Trump, Trump then in returns a wink at the liberal democrats and a few minutes later he goes on to correct himself so his "marks" can be at ease and defend him by saying he misspoke.
This is an on going everyday occurrence with Trump, the media, and his supporters. Every single day it's the same old same old. Just thumb through the Trump threads here on CPF and you will see this first hand.
No my friends this isn't by mistake this is a well calculated move by pros and a boat load of good Conservatives are getting caught up into the Trump madness because their fed up with our government.
Well hell I'm fed up with Washington,D.C. also, but I choose to back someone with a voting record and someone that did and will stand strong against D.C.
Instead what are we getting someone that is making the democrats happy and and his supporters tinkle pink. I guess eight long years has not proved us right.
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 30, 2016, 03:00:46 PM
It's the woman's decision, and sometimes a medical-decision for an abortion to happen. Trump should've said that.
That's simply untrue. This isn't the 1900's anymore. Today there's no medical reason for an abortion.
Second, no it is not "the woman's decision". There is no right to abortion enumerated in our Constitution.
That "right" was created by an act of the court system.
If in the future, the court system were to reverse itself. Then it would go back to the states for legislation.
At that point, each state would have to decide for itself, will abortion be legal or won't it be?
Those states, which say yes it will be illegal here, very well could impose criminal penalties for having or performing an abortion in that state.
It's funny, Trump wrongly, calls for rounding people up, and banning people entry into the United States.
Based upon no other factor, than their religious choice.
Something which is clearly, un-Constitutional. And his supporters overlook it.
But, then he goes out, and tells the truth. About how things very well could go, should the Supremes ever reverse Roe V. Wade, and these same people are now pissed off at him.
And all because he dared to suggest that someone engaging in, when you look at the context of the discussion would be in that situation, criminal behavior, should be penalized for it. Mwhahahaha! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: daidalos on March 31, 2016, 01:02:43 PM
That's simply untrue. This isn't the 1900's anymore. Today there's no medical reason for an abortion.
Second, no it is not "the woman's decision". There is no right to abortion enumerated in our Constitution.
That "right" was created by an act of the court system.
If in the future, the court system were to reverse itself. Then it would go back to the states for legislation.
At that point, each state would have to decide for itself, will abortion be legal or won't it be?
Those states, which say yes it will be illegal here, very well could impose criminal penalties for having or performing an abortion in that state.
It's funny, Trump wrongly, calls for rounding people up, and banning people entry into the United States.
Based upon no other factor, than their religious choice.
Something which is clearly, un-Constitutional. And his supporters overlook it.
But, then he goes out, and tells the truth. About how things very well could go, should the Supremes ever reverse Roe V. Wade, and these same people are now pissed off at him.
And all because he dared to suggest that someone engaging in, when you look at the context of the discussion would be in that situation, criminal behavior, should be penalized for it. Mwhahahaha! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes yes your right ever boy child should get a vasectomy by age 8 that way the problem would be solved. :rolleyes:
Quote from: walkstall on March 31, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
Yes yes your right ever boy child should get a vasectomy by age 8 that way the problem would be solved. :rolleyes:
Didja notice
he didn't
break
stuff up like
he
usually does?
:lol: :lol:
Oh wait. I finally looked at it. Sorry. I was wrong. :biggrin:
I dont think that women should be punished for that because sometimes the condition and situations are responsible for doing abortions and its not their willing.Even nobody likes to kill their babies in the womb.They are not murderer of their child.The punishment should depend on the situation of the person that should be considered will punishing women.Also not only women are responsible for it even the men should be responsible for that punishment and they should also be punished equally as women.
Quote from: Gah on March 31, 2016, 09:23:20 PM
I dont think that women should be punished for that because sometimes the condition and situations are responsible for doing abortions and its not their willing.Even nobody likes to kill their babies in the womb.They are not murderer of their child.The punishment should depend on the situation of the person that should be considered will punishing women.Also not only women are responsible for it even the men should be responsible for that punishment and they should also be punished equally as women.
Up to this post you have told us nothing new today.
Quote from: walkstall on March 31, 2016, 09:33:46 PM
Up to this post you have told us nothing new today.
Suggest CPF management examine the posts he has copied and posted here WITHOUT LINKS, as if he'd written them. I found three in my first three searches today.
Quote from: quiller on April 01, 2016, 04:44:01 AM
Suggest CPF management examine the posts he has copied and posted here WITHOUT LINKS, as if he'd written them. I found three in my first three searches today.
Taxed call him on that after about 4 or 5 post. One more cut and past and he out the door.
Quote from: walkstall on April 01, 2016, 04:47:32 AM
Taxed call him on that after about 4 or 5 post. One more cut and past and he out the door.
Noted.
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2016, 07:03:26 AM
It's a coin toss, literally.
But there is weight on Hillary's side, considering who she chooses as VP.
Her age and health say's she'll have trouble getting much accomplished in a single day, and her obstinate personality reveals she won't delegate it to her Serfs which is a limiting factor.
Hey, it's something.
No, I've asked myself this question every couple of weeks, and every time I do, the idea of a Hillary over a Trump gets easier to swallow.
However, with that said, it's never going to happen, Trump will not be the next POTUS, and focusing on a socialist in the GOP is not going to help elect Cruz.
The GOP is Hell bent on keeping Cruz away from the WH, they've written the rules in such a way that allows them to pick the candidate of their choosing, but if we all resolve here and now that we'll write in Cruz, the GOP will lose, and TEA will seize the party.
Funny you mentioned that, I keep asking myself, "
What's really the difference between Bernie, Hillary & Donald? Any two of them would compliment the other as a running mate." - I am DEAD SERIOUS.
And, all three are old farts with ancient ideas of centralization and control.
Plus, the
interview with Chris Mathews hurt the whole Pro-life movement - that's all I agree with Rush Limbaugh on.... the rest of it, he has forgotten, when a liberal is trying to hang himself, let go & give him all the rope he wants.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 01, 2016, 06:03:17 PM
Funny you mentioned that, I keep asking myself, "What's really the difference between Bernie, Hillary & Donald? Any two of them would compliment the other as a running mate." - I am DEAD SERIOUS.
And, all three are old farts with ancient ideas of centralization and control.
Plus, the interview with Chris Mathews hurt the whole Pro-life movement - that's all I agree with Rush Limbaugh on.... the rest of it, he has forgotten, when a liberal is trying to hang himself, let go & give him all the rope he wants.
Tis true, Trump is no different that any leftist candidate, with one exception, that this time he ran as a Pub.
As to Rush, he thinks Trump is on the right, so he sees this as a blackeye for prolifers, when in truth, the only ones that think that are libs.
I pointed out immediately that what Trump did by claiming "some Republicans and Conservatives believe women should be punished", that he was full of shit, and as Bronx pointed out, it was so blatantly ignoratnt, one would think Trump was a leftist plant to make us look evil.
Nah, Trump is just a fuckin idiot that needs to qualify his assinine statements as his own and not representative of anyone on the right.
I happened to catch parts of Rush's show, and noticed that many callers were first timers and surprized to get through, one even said he was shocked that after 20 years it actually rang.
But the last call was the most revealing, most of the callers had hung up out of disgust for Rush gushing Trump nonsense, and Snerdly was left handing over a total loser out of desperation, and Rush blew her off to the trash.
People are getting sick of Trump in spades, and I'm willing to bet come Monday, Rush will take on Hillary and Bernie as a distraction.
I think those that took up the Trump torch early on are seriously regretting they ever heard his name.
Quote from: Solar on March 31, 2016, 06:36:06 AM
Isn't it amazing that so many have no clue that all of that is pure socialism, yet because Trump has an (R) next to his name.
Morons are willing to settle because they fear Hillary? I'd be laughing if it wasn't so serious.
It doesn't matter anymore. The Trumpsters don't care what his stance is on anything anymore and justify anything he says or does no matter how liberal it is. All they hear is "The Wall" and they are prepared to go down with the ship instead of admitting they were wrong. They are now convinced Cruz is the "Establishment" and is just another slimy politician. It's really sad and embarrassing to see these people so brain washed...
Quote from: quiller on March 31, 2016, 06:50:16 AM
Go ahead and lean back away from your keyboard (or other device). Close your eyes. Find your calm and your center.
Who would you rather listen to for eight painful years?
Either one's got the ethics of a sewer rat. Watch either one strip away every single thing that makes America great. Watch the nonexistent transparency of the Clinton Foundation (which Hillary refuses to close), or the ravings of the complete court jester Trump---the President who will literally put America into bankruptcy having done so three times himself.
Okay. You can open your eyes now. Better yet, under either one of them just hide under the damned bed.
Goosfraba...Goosfraba... :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWIcubkPaxo
Quote from: Fishman on April 01, 2016, 08:29:28 PM
It doesn't matter anymore. The Trumpsters don't care what his stance is on anything anymore and justify anything he says or does no matter how liberal it is. All they hear is "The Wall" and they are prepared to go down with the ship instead of admitting they were wrong. They are now convinced Cruz is the "Establishment" and is just another slimy politician. It's really sad and embarrassing to see these people so brain washed...
I believe it's because that's all that's left supporting him.
Only an idiot would still support the liar after discovering everything he claimed to support, he actually used to be against, and everything he was against, he's suddenly for.
He exposes himself all the time, like his abortion comment, and Rush has the audacity to run block for the lib by claiming he doesn't think about these things like you and I.
Really Rush, life and death matters never crosses Trump's mind?
No Rush, they did cross his mind as a lib, and that's why he had so much damned trouble with the answer, because his values are missing, they don't even remotely reflect Conservatism in the least, because he's still a God Damn Lib, Rush!
Quote from: Solar on April 02, 2016, 07:25:18 AM
I believe it's because that's all that's left supporting him.
Only an idiot would still support the liar after discovering everything he claimed to support, he actually used to be against, and everything he was against, he's suddenly for.
He exposes himself all the time, like his abortion comment, and Rush has the audacity to run block for the lib by claiming he doesn't think about these things like you and I.
Really Rush, life and death matters never crosses Trump's mind?
No Rush, they did cross his mind as a lib, and that's why he had so much damned trouble with the answer, because his values are missing, they don't even remotely reflect Conservatism in the least, because he's still a God Damn Lib, Rush!
Its similar to when Romney was trying to tout how conservative he was and said, "I was a SEVERELY conservative governor" Just should what he thought of anyone with real conservative beliefs.
Quote from: Solar on April 01, 2016, 07:17:54 PM
As to Rush, he thinks Trump is on the right, so he sees this as a blackeye for prolifers, when in truth, the only ones that think that are libs.
...
People are getting sick of Trump in spades, and I'm willing to bet come Monday, Rush will take on Hillary and Bernie as a distraction.
I think those that took up the Trump torch early on are seriously regretting they ever heard his name.
You sure got that right! It's been nearly wall-to-wall analysis of Trump for months, and how he's skillfully sticking it to the establishment... >yawn< but, without any solid policies, ahem, there just isn't much else to talk about, is there? Oh, there's the hair and raccoon eyes / mako tan. Meh, look at his eyes, he's as pale as Bernie Sanders, baby pink skin.
Speaking of buyer's remorse - I'm glad the primary wasn't held last summer, I'd be kicking myself silly by now.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 02, 2016, 03:53:31 PM
You sure got that right! It's been nearly wall-to-wall analysis of Trump for months, and how he's skillfully sticking it to the establishment... >yawn< but, without any solid policies, ahem, there just isn't much else to talk about, is there? Oh, there's the hair and raccoon eyes / mako tan. Meh, look at his eyes, he's as pale as Bernie Sanders, baby pink skin.
Speaking of buyer's remorse - I'm glad the primary wasn't held last summer, I'd be kicking myself silly by now.
Mark my word on this.
"and I'm willing to bet
come Monday, Rush will take on Hillary and Bernie as a distraction."I'm willing to bet his show will be about everything but Trump.
Rush is in serious trouble having backed a NY Lib.
Quote from: Solar on April 02, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
Mark my word on this.
"and I'm willing to bet come Monday, Rush will take on Hillary and Bernie as a distraction."
I'm willing to bet his show will be about everything but Trump.
Rush is in serious trouble having backed a NY Lib.
Rush is an entertainer, he gets paid for getting people to listen to commercials, the more people who listen to the commercials, the more he gets paid. He does not get paid for getting out the message. I have enjoyed listening to his show for many years going back to when he was on t.v., but always took him with a grain of salt. If this trump backing continues, he will have one less listener. me.
Quote from: s3779m on April 02, 2016, 04:20:15 PM
Rush is an entertainer, he gets paid for getting people to listen to commercials, the more people who listen to the commercials, the more he gets paid. He does not get paid for getting out the message. I have enjoyed listening to his show for many years going back to when he was on t.v., but always took him with a grain of salt. If this trump backing continues, he will have one less listener. me.
I'd venture to guess he's lost nearly half his audience already, people are pissed.
I think the argument is quite weak if one says abortion is only punishable by the doctor when the argument for and against has solely to do with the woman. Some prolife people don't think there should be a punishment for women who get abortions but I think some do think there should be a punishment too and it's not an outlandish thought if abortion is murder then the one who murders which is what the woman does should receive the consequences. You can't have it both ways. And I think it's funny so many do want to have it both ways. It makes the movement look bad. And not concise or clear. I'm personally for either but acting like what he said is out of left field makes me not understand what life are you really fighting for?
Quote from: justme21 on April 02, 2016, 09:55:50 PM
I think the argument is quite weak if one says abortion is only punishable by the doctor when the argument for and against has solely to do with the woman. Some prolife people don't think there should be a punishment for women who get abortions but I think some do think there should be a punishment too and it's not an outlandish thought if abortion is murder then the one who murders which is what the woman does should receive the consequences. You can't have it both ways. And I think it's funny so many do want to have it both ways. It makes the movement look bad. And not concise or clear. I'm personally for either but acting like what he said is out of left field makes me not understand what life are you really fighting for?
That was trump being political correct, of course him being NOT political correct is one of the main reasons I hear that people like about him but it's about time those who like him see him as we do. As far the punishment, it would depend if "getting" an abortion or "performing" an abortion would be illegal. Yea I know that is really splitting hairs,(can't have one without the other) but we are talking politicians who were the first hairsplitters.
Quote from: s3779m on April 03, 2016, 04:30:56 AM
That was trump being political correct, of course him being NOT political correct is one of the main reasons I hear that people like about him but it's about time those who like him see him as we do. As far the punishment, it would depend if "getting" an abortion or "performing" an abortion would be illegal. Yea I know that is really splitting hairs,(can't have one without the other) but we are talking politicians who were the first hairsplitters.
Do you know how an abortion works? The woman assists in performing the abortion mainly without her help there is no abortion.
Quote from: Solar on April 02, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
Mark my word on this.
"and I'm willing to bet come Monday, Rush will take on Hillary and Bernie as a distraction."
I'm willing to bet his show will be about everything but Trump.
Rush is in serious trouble having backed a NY Lib.
On the one hand, I'd give it a listen to see if you're right, on the other hand, I'm kinda past that stage. Kinda bored with the same analysis, Trump is doing this and that & practical silence on Cruz, Bernie & Hillary.
If ... MEH, maybe I'll have the radio on from the night before.... LOL
Quote from: Hoofer on April 03, 2016, 10:27:44 AM
On the one hand, I'd give it a listen to see if you're right, on the other hand, I'm kinda past that stage. Kinda bored with the same analysis, Trump is doing this and that & practical silence on Cruz, Bernie & Hillary.
If ... MEH, maybe I'll have the radio on from the night before.... LOL
I will listen to see, hell even Insanity was trying to steer his show towards Hillary/Obumb & Bernie.
.....and again, hate to beat a dead horse of mine, but anyone on this board not listening to Levin, your really missing out on valuable info not to mention moral support when your away from this board.
Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 10:52:40 AM
I will listen to see, hell even Insanity was trying to steer his show towards Hillary/Obumb & Bernie.
.....and again, hate to beat a dead horse of mine, but anyone on this board not listening to Levin, your really missing out on valuable info not to mention moral support when your away from this board.
I think the majority listens to Levin, it's just he's on late afternoon Pacific time (3:00) and a lot miss the show except in podcast.
Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 11:56:28 AM
I think the majority listens to Levin, it's just he's on late afternoon Pacific time (3:00) and a lot miss the show except in podcast.
I rarely listen to radio anymore, I just can't stand all the commercials.
You can go to Mark's website and listen live or to any of his recent shows on your computer without downloading. Just find the show you want to hear and click on it....the best part is THERE ARE NO STINKING COMMERCIALS"
http://www.marklevinshow.com/audio-rewind/
Quote from: Dori on April 03, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
I rarely listen to radio anymore, I just can't stand all the commercials.
You can go to Mark's website and listen live or to any of his recent shows on your computer without downloading. Just find the show you want to hear and click on it....the best part is THERE ARE NO STINKING COMMERCIALS"
http://www.marklevinshow.com/audio-rewind/
I can't stream, eats up my monthly allotment, so I'm stuck with radio when I'm out in the truck, which isn't often.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 10:13:29 AM
Do you know how an abortion works? The woman assists in performing the abortion mainly without her help there is no abortion.
Ever hear of how many abortions were performed in Communist China? How about Nazi Germany? The American South early in the 20th century. Ever hear of eugenics, AKA why abortion was pushed by progressives in the first place?
Quote from: mdgiles on April 03, 2016, 02:51:37 PM
Ever hear of how many abortions were performed in Communist China? How about Nazi Germany? The American South early in the 20th century. Ever hear of eugenics, AKA why abortion was pushed by progressives in the first place?
Yeah abortion is a form of eugenics obviously. Which is another reason I'm against it. Why do you ask?
Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 10:52:40 AM
I will listen to see, hell even Insanity was trying to steer his show towards Hillary/Obumb & Bernie.
.....and again, hate to beat a dead horse of mine, but anyone on this board not listening to Levin, your really missing out on valuable info not to mention moral support when your away from this board.
I really like Levin and Prager, though Prager has always had a more decent and calm pragmatic approach to conservatism which some may label as bordering on RINO that can get tedious in the long run. I really like Levin's articulate exploding rants and passion. Though lately I haven't listened at all because I'm so bored of Trump. It's like the immigrant crisis in Europe, we all know it's a disaster and it is everything the Media talks about but nobody is doing anything and the parties we voted in to stop it hasn't done anything instead of making it worse and the rest of us is too busy keeping our jobs and mortgage in control we don't dare say or riot in fear of losing our jobs. Maybe not perfect analogy but both Trump and the migrant crisis is just shit that will only get worse and there is no point in obsessing about it anymore. We know all we need to know now, lets just continue with the real business of fighting socialism instead.
Quote from: Solar on April 02, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
Mark my word on this.
"and I'm willing to bet come Monday, Rush will take on Hillary and Bernie as a distraction."
I'm willing to bet his show will be about everything but Trump.
Rush is in serious trouble having backed a NY Lib.
Here we go. Rush is on. Lets see if you are correct Solar :wink:
First topic of the day for Rush - New polling out of Wisconsin.
Then quickly touches on Trump and how Trump is the only one that can cause himself to fail.
Now its all about the democrat race and Hillary and her horrendous polling with women.
Quote from: mrconservative on April 04, 2016, 09:16:32 AM
First topic of the day for Rush - New polling out of Wisconsin.
Then quickly touches on Trump and how Trump is the only one that can cause himself to fail.
Now its all about the democrat race and Hillary and her horrendous polling with women.
Now he admits he's lost listeners. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Now he admits he's lost listeners. :lol:
At least he is still holding strong with the democrat listener who for the first time in his life has switched to republican to vote for Trump! :rolleyes: :lol:
Quote from: mrconservative on April 04, 2016, 10:27:29 AM
At least he is still holding strong with the democrat listener who for the first time in his life has switched to republican to vote for Trump! :rolleyes: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I heard that and Yelled at the radio. "Hey Rush, you dumb ass, do you need more proof that Trump has more in common with libs than Conservatives, do you need more proof"?
I wonder if Rush's new audience is truly so stupid as to not see all this?
Sadly, radio programs are able to release their ratings. Levin mentioned this the other night about how he wishes radio programs could because he would love to do so because his ratings are outstanding.
Id love to see how Beck's, Rush's, Hannity's, and Levin's ratings look over the last 1-2 months. :smile:
Quote from: mrconservative on April 04, 2016, 10:58:26 AM
Sadly, radio programs are able to release their ratings. Levin mentioned this the other night about how he wishes radio programs could because he would love to do so because his ratings are outstanding.
Id love to see how Beck's, Rush's, Hannity's, and Levin's ratings look over the last 1-2 months. :smile:
OOOOHH...Levin is probably kicking Rush' ass.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
Now he admits he's lost listeners. :lol:
there is one lost listener right here.
Quote from: s3779m on April 04, 2016, 01:24:57 PM
there is one lost listener right here.
sAME HERE. i'LL TUNE IN FROM TIME TO TIME TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION THE ny lIB SUPPORTER TOOK AFTER tRUMP'S SLAUGHTER, JUST FOR SHITS AND GRINS AND VINDICATION.
OK, Solar, you were right. While I didn't catch the whole show, he launched into Barry, Hillary, and blah, blah.
We need to put this notion to bed, as Rush keeps saying, 'the interview was an attack on ALL Republicans, and hurt the entire Republican party on the abortion / prolife issue.
Sorry, that's dead wrong. (percentage of always being right took a hit).
Some Democrat blowhard pretending to be an anti-establishment Republican, gets walked into corner and gives - you guessed it, Democrat talking points for answers. This has nothing to do with a Conservative - Republican - TEA position, Trump doesn't know what any of our positions are, he just defaulted to Democrat logic... as Ted Cruz implied, Trump isn't ready for the White House if he gets tripped up THAT easily!
The attack, if you really think it was one, more like an interview exploring Democrat logic, was against Donald Trump - and nobody but Donald Trump. PERIOD. Trying to tie Donald Trump into the rest of the Republican party, phoey! Trump represents the cross-over Democrats, RINOs, and the yet to be educated Republicans. Donald Trump was a stumbling, bumbling old fool trying to pass himself off as an intellectual - which backfired, because Chris Mathews is smarter than Donald Trump (can hardly believe that myself, but Chris just proved it). Hats off to Chris Mathews - simple logic, slowly building one element upon another (so Trump could keep up), and he walked Donald right into a corner.
If Donald Trump would have SHUT UP and allowed Chris Mathews time to lay out his argument, even Donald might have figured out where the Sugar Plum Fairy was leading him - but, being the superior thinker Trump is, he was answering before Mathews finished the questions. S-T-U-P-I-D. Putin plays with Barak Obama like a toy. God help us if Donald Trump has to go up against Putin!
Solar, you were right again, Rush pivoted, but found Donald too irresistible to leave alone the whole day.