http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
QuoteTrump is a monster, a madman and a vile racist. He's just like Hitler. Or Jimmy Carter.
During the Iranian hostage crisis, Carter issued a number of orders to put pressure on Iran. Among these, Iranians were banned from entering the United States unless they oppose the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency.
Here's Jimmy "Hitler" Carter saying it back in 1980.
Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.
Apparently barring people from a terrorist country is not against "our values" after all. It may even be "who we are". Either that or Carter was a racist monster just like Trump.
Meanwhile here's how the Iranian students in the US were treated.
Carter orders 50,000 Iranian students in US to report to immigration office with view to deporting those in violation of their visas. On 27 December 1979, US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian students found in violation.
In November 1979, the Attorney General had given all Iranian students one month to report to the local immigration office. Around 7,000 were found in violation of their visas. Around 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the US.
Meanwhile any Iranians entering the US were forced to undergo secondary screening.
Interestingly enough, Carter did this by invoking the Nationality Act of 1952. A law originally opposed by Democrats for its attempt to restrict Communist immigration to the United States.
Don't let the hysterical Grubering mislead you, as I have already stated, Trumps proposal is perfectly constitutional and importantly, saturated in common sense and legal precedent! Its especially satisfying to me to be able to report that Carter used an obscure law universally despised by democrats because it targeted BROTHER communists, thats as good as it gets!
QuoteIranians were banned from entering the United States unless they oppose the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency.
the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States,
US appeals court allows deportation of Iranian students found in violation.
They weren't banned from entering if they didn't support the regime.
They invalidated future Iranian visas
They deported students who had violated their visas.
I know of a lot of Iranians who came here after the Shah fell in 1979.
Trump said "Muslims" not Iranians. It's my understanding that you can't round up people based on their religion.
Quote from: Dori on December 09, 2015, 10:20:31 AM
They weren't banned from entering if they didn't support the regime.
They invalidated future Iranian visas
They deported students who had violated their visas.
I know of a lot of Iranians who came here after the Shah fell in 1979.
Trump said "Muslims" not Iranians. It's my understanding that you can't round up people based on their religion.
We typically don't do that based on a persons race/ethnicity either. But these aren't typical times we live in.
The thing that is most troubling about Trumps "plan" is that there is no due process for those muzzies who are already here, and are already citizens.
Because of that, his suggestion is almost as problematic, as the leftist libtards latest anti-second amendment demands.
Quote from: Dori on December 09, 2015, 10:20:31 AM
They weren't banned from entering if they didn't support the regime.
They invalidated future Iranian visas
They deported students who had violated their visas.
I know of a lot of Iranians who came here after the Shah fell in 1979.
Trump said "Muslims" not Iranians. It's my understanding that you can't round up people based on their religion.
Stop buying into the leftist hype. The can pretty much do anything they please to any group of foreigners this government feels like. Foreigners only have those rights which the US government feels like extending to them. They don't have the rights all Americans enjoy by virtue of their citizenship.
Quote from: Dori on December 09, 2015, 10:20:31 AM
They weren't banned from entering if they didn't support the regime.
They invalidated future Iranian visas
They deported students who had violated their visas.
I know of a lot of Iranians who came here after the Shah fell in 1979.
Trump said "Muslims" not Iranians. It's my understanding that you can't round up people based on their religion.
Your understanding is erroneous, you cannot round up
American's based upon their religion, foreign nationals are an entirely different matter, and Trump never said anything about rounding up American's anyway! :wink:
BTW, I am under attack by staff here who are now moderating my posts, so they can just go ahead and delete my account, I will not be back!
Quote from: Tacoma on December 09, 2015, 11:09:42 AM
BTW, I am under attack by staff here who are now moderating my posts, so they can just go ahead and delete my account, I will not be back!
You were issued a warning and ignored it.
As stated. You were asked to back up your claims, then proceeded to tell the individual to pound sand.
You were issued a formal warning, refused to heed said warning and now all your posts are being moderated till you provide the link requested in support of your claims.
Seriously, Are you threatening to hold your breath as well?
Quote from: Tacoma on December 09, 2015, 11:09:42 AM
BTW, I am under attack by staff here who are now moderating my posts, so they can just go ahead and delete my account, I will not be back!
:lol:
Quote from: mhughes on December 09, 2015, 11:22:35 AM
:lol:
To translate his post.
He made a bogus claim, then when called on his bull shit, claims he's being attacked because he refuses to follow etiquette..
So instead of simply backing up his BS, he runs away? :lol:
Oh yeah, I understood. Was just laughing at the tantrum.
I think where Trump went wrong was he should have said all persons from "Middle Eastern" countries rather than "Muslims." It would have basically the same effect, but maybe the libs wouldn't have hissy fits over it. On the other hand, I don't really care if libs have hissy fits. I rather enjoy it.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 11:29:32 AM
To translate his post.
He made a bogus claim, then when called on his bull shit, claims he's being attacked because he refuses to follow etiquette..
So instead of simply backing up his BS, he runs away? :lol:
There are consequences when you fling poo and hope it will stick. He was ask four time to back up his posting. This is an adult board not a Romper Room.
Quote from: mdgiles on December 09, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
Stop buying into the leftist hype. The can pretty much do anything they please to any group of foreigners this government feels like. Foreigners only have those rights which the US government feels like extending to them. They don't have the rights all Americans enjoy by virtue of their citizenship.
We do have, mudslime's who are also citizens. The only question I ask, concern's them. And due process for them. As for the rest, as I said I can care less. We can deny entry to any damn body we damned well choose to deny entry too.
Quote from: Dori on December 09, 2015, 10:20:31 AM
They weren't banned from entering if they didn't support the regime.
They invalidated future Iranian visas
They deported students who had violated their visas.
I know of a lot of Iranians who came here after the Shah fell in 1979.
Trump said "Muslims" not Iranians. It's my understanding that you can't round up people based on their religion.
Where did Trump say that?
BUT, Do you have any idea how the federal government targeted Mormons?
Quote from: carlb on December 09, 2015, 12:43:43 PM
Where did Trump say that?
BUT, Do you have any idea how the federal government targeted Mormons?
Obama seems to be targeting Christians for deportation! No one seems to care about that!
Quote from: kroz on December 09, 2015, 12:46:55 PM
Obama seems to be targeting Christians for deportation! No one seems to care about that!
THE PEOPLE do, but we're powerless until the jackass leaves office. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. SOME couldn't vote for Romney, so those morons gave us another 4 long years of the evil one.
But I'm still waiting for anyone to answer my question:
WHERE DID TRUMP SAY THAT?!
Quote from: carlb on December 09, 2015, 01:21:42 PM
THE PEOPLE do, but we're powerless until the jackass leaves office. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. SOME couldn't vote for Romney, so those morons gave us another 4 long years of the evil one.
But I'm still waiting for anyone to answer my question:
WHERE DID TRUMP SAY THAT?!
Say what? This?
http://patch.com/new-jersey/newmilford-nj/s/fh7e7/trump-says-stop-muslims-from-entering-u-s-a
Quote from: daidalos on December 09, 2015, 12:22:31 PM
We do have, mudslime's who are also citizens. The only question I ask, concern's them. And due process for them. As for the rest, as I said I can care less. We can deny entry to any damn body we damned well choose to deny entry too.
Didn't anyone learn anything about Islam before they decided to allow them to enter the United States? Islam
DEMANDS that Sharia Law and the Koran, be the supreme law of the land. They demand that all other religions be made subservient to Islam. They demand that "people of the Book" (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians) pay a special tax in order to worship in peace. All others Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians, Shinto, Atheists must convert to Islam or die. In other words a Muslim wants to overthrow the government of the United States, and install a violent religious dictatorship. Leftards assume that because they have no particular religious beliefs, that no one else takes their religion seriously. No Muslim should ever have been allowed to enter the country because even though, many Muslims are simply culturally Muslim, that doesn't mean that at some point they won't get "that old time religion" (San Bernardino, for example) and become a menace. Libtards are running their stupid mouths about religious liberty, when it comes to Muslims. What the fail to understand is the Social, Economic, Legal and Political system which is an integral part of the "religion". Islam is a "religion" that simply serves as justification for pillaging and enslaving your neighbors. It's the religion of thieves and murderers.
Quote from: kroz on December 09, 2015, 01:34:29 PM
Say what? This?
http://patch.com/new-jersey/newmilford-nj/s/fh7e7/trump-says-stop-muslims-from-entering-u-s-a
Quote"Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."
So what is wrong with what is quoted here?
Quote from: kroz on December 09, 2015, 01:34:29 PM
Say what? This?
http://patch.com/new-jersey/newmilford-nj/s/fh7e7/trump-says-stop-muslims-from-entering-u-s-a
Is that a "response" to what I asked Dori?
She said,
"...It's my understanding that you can't round up people based on their religion. "I asked, "WHERE DID HE SAY THAT?"
If that's your "answer," IT'S NOT.
Trump said, "STOP MUSLIMS FROM ENTERING THE USA, UNTIL...."
Where did he say, where gonna "round them up"?
Short answer, HE DIDN'T.
I keep seeing some of you ATTRIBUTING TO HIM things he didn't say in order to discredit him. Those tactics belong on the leftist forums.
Quote from: Tacoma on December 09, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield
Don't let the hysterical Grubering mislead you, as I have already stated, Trumps proposal is perfectly constitutional and importantly, saturated in common sense and legal precedent! Its especially satisfying to me to be able to report that Carter used an obscure law universally despised by democrats because it targeted BROTHER communists, thats as good as it gets!
These are two different issues. Carter was targeting Iranians. A country. That is constitutional. Trump is targeting Muslims. A religion. That is unconstitutional.
Quote from: mdgiles on December 09, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
Stop buying into the leftist hype.
LOL...I don't buy into hype no matter where it comes from.
Quote from: Dori on December 09, 2015, 05:23:03 PM
LOL...I don't buy into hype no matter where it comes from.
The Nazis did that and look what it did to them. Speaking of Nazis how did that hope and change going for b o?
Quote from: walkstall on December 09, 2015, 06:27:15 PM
The Nazis did that and look what it did to them. Speaking of Nazis how did that hope and change going for b o?
:confused:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 09, 2015, 04:33:47 PM
These are two different issues. Carter was targeting Iranians. A country. That is constitutional. Trump is targeting Muslims. A religion. That is unconstitutional.
Didn't somebody recently make a post about
the constitutionality of arresting/deporting
people who espouse an ideology that advocates
the violent overthrow of the Constitution?
Quote from: mdgiles on December 09, 2015, 03:02:24 PM
Didn't anyone learn anything about Islam before they decided to allow them to enter the United States? Islam DEMANDS that Sharia Law and the Koran, be the supreme law of the land. They demand that all other religions be made subservient to Islam. They demand that "people of the Book" (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians) pay a special tax in order to worship in peace. All others Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians, Shinto, Atheists must convert to Islam or die. In other words a Muslim wants to overthrow the government of the United States, and install a violent religious dictatorship. Leftards assume that because they have no particular religious beliefs, that no one else takes their religion seriously. No Muslim should ever have been allowed to enter the country because even though, many Muslims are simply culturally Muslim, that doesn't mean that at some point they won't get "that old time religion" (San Bernardino, for example) and become a menace. Libtards are running their stupid mouths about religious liberty, when it comes to Muslims. What the fail to understand is the Social, Economic, Legal and Political system which is an integral part of the "religion". Islam is a "religion" that simply serves as justification for pillaging and enslaving your neighbors. It's the religion of thieves and murderers.
mg as for immigrants I agree completely. Shut ALL immigration down, until and unless those seeking entrance can actually be vetted first.
But that's not dealing with the entire issue. Not all of these individuals are immigrants. For example our prison systems are full up with your typical natural born citizen, muslim converts. What do we do with them? Kick Jameel and Larry out of the nation they were born in?
There's lots of everyday American citizen's who are converts. What does Trump suggest we do with them? Lock them up ala FDR?
While I understand folks are angry, and scared. (A real dangerous combination for people to be making decisions in) I don't think that's a precedent we want being repeated or set. Because while it may be the Japanese then, or Muslims today. Nothing says it won't be Christians tomorrow, or Jews the day after that.
Btw, whether Trump's a Hitler or a Carter, neither one is exactly a shining endorsement for Trump.
I mean seriously, the second worst President in the History of the United States.
Or a dictatorial madman responsible for attempting to carry out a war of genocide. I am not so sure Trump would like being compared to either one of them actually. :lol:
I remember this.....There were hundreds and hundreds of Iranian "students" in the Wash DC area who always seemed to show up and protest the Shah, I also remember the thousands of "Students" who ran amok when the Shah came to meet Jimmy carter, they went totally berserk, we threw about a hundred tear gas grenades at them and used "wood" to dispurse them but they still managed to KILL a "pro Shah" demonstrator and injured about a hundred people, about thirty of whom were cops.
After that, Immigration began working with us side by side at these protests and just hauled them off by the car load. That was under Jimmy "the human rights advocate" Carter during the hostage crisis.
When Reagan was President we had what we called "the pay back" Immigration set up a Prisoner Bus, borrowed from the US MArhsal service on the Mall, during one big protest (after the Shah had been given asylum" they went nuts again, this time we scooped them up in wholesale lots, took them to the prisoner processing station set up on the mall and they were driven directly to Washington National airport and put on a plane, bang zoom, done.
Something else, AMERICANS nation wide cheered this action you didn't here any of the sympathy or empathy you hear today, people were really angry at Iranians specifically because of the hostages, but mostly because they were harming Americans, smashing window to stores setting fires etc to businesses during their "protests".
Also I say "students" from the arrest we made and the intel briefing after FBI interviews, these people were specifically trained in how to fight thr police and lie about their identity confusing Immigration etc.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 09, 2015, 04:33:47 PM
These are two different issues. Carter was targeting Iranians. A country. That is constitutional. Trump is targeting Muslims. A religion. That is unconstitutional.
How dare you simplify the issue. :smile:
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 10, 2015, 05:28:38 AM
How dare you simplify the issue. :smile:
I have known him now for many years. He dares. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: quiller on December 10, 2015, 07:26:01 AM
I have known him now for many years. He dares. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Boo does have a way with words. :lol: