Of course Trump is getting lots o Media play, why?...simple....he is mostly ragging on other republicans....all they got to do is stand back and let him run his mouth and do their job of twisting peoples heads who aren't that smart to begin with. Remember the Media is ALWAYS and will always be on the side of the Left. They also control the polls that means I don't believe one word of what they print.

If Trump were scorching Hillary and 'Trotsky' Sanders or any of the other Dems with every word it would be a different media spin altogether.

As far as his 'conservatism' I wonder if it is the position of convenience, he used to be best friends with the Clintonista's and an ardent supporter, yeah the guy is 'popular' coz everybody knows him, he is a celbrity, a movie star so to speak.

Charles Krauthammer had it right, Trump is a rodeo clown, everybody loves and cheers the rodeo clown who DISTRACTS the mean ol' bull from the vulnerable cowboy with his outrageous antics.

It sounds to me like Trump is being implicated in the Bolshevik deception we have come to associate with the Clintons, the Bushes, Al Gore, now John Kerry, Vladimir Putin, much of the British and American media, much of Congress and most of Parliament, but probably especially the Clintons and Gores. Not to leave out Obama.
These are people who appear to be steeped in the amorphous brainwashing associated with Globalism, Global warming, Multi cultural healing, (that is, if one race is sick, the all of humanity is sick,) Jewish Communism, and the European Economic Union.  If I had to sum it up, it would be practitioners of that Orwell/Skinner psychology aimed at subjugating the individual into compliance with the authoritarian state -- the Soviet.

I could go on with the long list of human concerns manufactured by communists for the goal of communism, but I think by now we are all more or less familiar with that agenda. It is anti industrial, anti capitalist, divisive and active on many fronts, not the least of which are education, central, paternalistic government, and so many examples of authoritarian tyranny such as flooding the borders with undesirables and thinly veiled militant attack on our institutions such as the Christian religion.

This is the company most of the Tea Party would have us associate with Donald Trump. By my reckoning, if Donald is part of the global socialist agenda,   he is keeping it very well hidden.

I would point to other significant differences between Trump and, say, Clintons or Obama. Not the least of which is what I am calling, "known origin." How is it that Clinton suddenly burst on the scene, Governor of Arkansas, or that Obama, something like out of thin air? Trump has been highly visible in that field of glamour real estate for as long as I have been paying attention. His life is an open book, sometimes not exactly to his edification. Can anyone point to a life period when Donald's time is somehow unaccounted for, a period of alleged programming by the Bolshevist master? Alleged or not, we can certainly count vacant years in the lives of both Clinton and Obama.

Sorry, I am not seeing the similarities. I do notice Tea Party like Beth Martin, effectively a webmaster, stepping forward in the guise of a kingmaker, an influential political operative. Compared to that sort of thing, I think the case against Donald Trump needs to be built on more solid ground than web warrior wise cracks.

Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 02:18:00 AM
What makes you think Trump is so smart? Is it the fact that he was smart enough to be born with a 12 million dollar trust fund that was turned over to him when he was 21,smart enough to inherit a successful 2 generation real estate empire that he ran into bankruptcy,or is the only man in all of known history who managed to run a freaking gambling casino into bankruptcy?
If Trump  had not been born sliding into home plate,the BEST he could hope for would be to be a used car salesman on a small 2 man  used car lot.

This has turned into a contest of who can come up with the biggest whopper.
Trump graduated at the top of his class at Wharton. Twelve million equity in a prospering New York construction and real estate company is nothing. Donald ran that up to considerably more, net equity.
Incidentally, the general consensus has been over the years that the Vegas Casinos have been primarily skim and launder operations, not comparable to your average, run of the mill, enterprise.

Las Vegas is constantly changing and the list below of casino sales, implosions, closures and name changes is living proof.  The following information is listed in alphabetical order, not in date order.

       Big Red's Casino: Closed in 1982, turned into Sports World Casino, closed in 2001, is now a shopping center.
    Boardwalk Casino: Demolished May 9, 2006, will become CityCenter expect completion 2010.
    Bonanza Casino:  Demolished, opened in 1973 at the MGM Grand, in 1985 changed into Ballys.
    Boomtown Casino:  Changed name to Silverton in 1998.
    Bourbon Street Casino:  Closed in 2005, now vacant.
    Castaways Casino: Closed and imploded in 2005
    Continental Casino:  Closed in 1999, remodeled and opened in 2000 as Terrible's Casino.
    Debbie Reynolds Casino:  Sold in 1998 to World Wrestling Federation, renamed to Convention Center Drive Hotel, sold in 2000 and renamed Greek Isles Casino in 2001.
    Desert Inn Casino: sold to Howard Hughes in 1967, changed hands a couple more times and then in 1993 sold to ITT/Sheraton, sold again in 1998 to Starwood Hotels, sold to Steve Wynn in 2000, closed in 2001, partially imploded in October 2001, balance demolished in 2004, is now part of Wynn Las Vegas.
    Dunes Casino: Demolished in 1993, now is the Bellagio Casino.
    El Rancho Vegas: Burned in 1960, now is the Hilton Grand Vacation Club timeshare on part of the land.
    El Rancho Casino: Closed in 1992, demolished in 2000, after being sold to Turnberry Associates.
    Fiesta Casino:  Sold to Station Casinos in 2001, name changed to Fiesta Rancho.
    Frontier Casino:  In 1967, sold to Howard Hughes, sold to Margaret Elardi in 1988, sold again to Phil Ruffin in 1998 and renamed it New Frontier. The New  Frontier closed its doors at 12:00am on July 16, 2007, and was demolished on November 13, 2007.
    Gold Strike Casino:  Sold to Circus Circus in 1995, name change to Mandalay Resort Group in 1999, become part of the 2004 Merger with MGM Mirage.
    Hacienda: Demolished in 1996, is now the Mandalay Bay Casino.
    Holy Cow Casino Cafe and Brewery: Closed in 2002.
    Jackpot Casino: Closed in 1977, is now part of the Sahara.
    Key Largo Casino:  Closed in 2005, awaiting ?
    Klondike Casino: Closed in 2006, soon to be demolished.
    Landmark Casino:  Closed in 1991, demolished in 1995 and is now part of the Las Vegas Convention Center Parking Structure.
    Las Frontier Casino: Opened in 1942 and renamed to New Frontier in 1955.
    Le Reve Casino:  Was the working name for what is now Wynn Las Vegas.  Never opened under the working name.
    Lotus Inn Casino: Closed in 1978, is now a Rodeway Inn.
    Lucky Slots Casino: Closed in 1981, is now retail shopping center.
    Marina Casino: Closed in November 1991, in December 1993 is now part of the MGM Grand.
    Maxim Casino:  Sold in 1998, sold several more times and in 2002 sold to Clumbia Sussex Corp, remodeled and in 2003 opened as Westin Casuarina Hotel.
    Mint Casino:  Sold in 1989 and become part of Binion's Horseshoe.
    Money Tree Casino: Closed in 1979.
    Nevada Palace casino opened in July 1979 and changed hands in 1983. It is now part of the parking lot of the Eastside Cannery Casino, which opened in late 2008.
    New Frontier Casino:  From 1955 to 1967, then changed name to Frontier.
    Nob Hill Casino: Closed in 1990, is now Casino Royale.
    Paddlewheel Casino: Closed in 1991, opened in 1993 as the Debbie Reynolds which closed in 1996 and is now the Greek Isles Casino.
    Reserve Casino:  Sold in 2001 to Station Casinos and name changed to Fiesta Henderson.
    Royal Nevada Casino:  Opened in 1955, changed name in 1958 to Stardust.
    San Souci: Closed in 1962, made into the Castaways, and then demolished in 1987, is now The Mirage.
    San Remo Casino:  Sold in 2004, changed name to Hooters.
    Sands Casino: Demolished in 1996, is now The Venetian.
    Showboat Casino:  Sold in 2000, changed name to Castaways, sold several times and in 2005 closed and demolished.
    Silver City Casino: Closed in 1999, is now the Silver City Shopping Center.
    Silver Nugget Casino:  Name change in 1990 to Mahoney's Silver Nugget.
    Silver Slipper: Demolished in 1988, made into a parking lot and now the Desert Inn Road Arterial.
    Silverbird Casino:  Sold in 1981 and renamed El Rancho.
    South Coast Casino:  Sold and name change in October 2006, new name is South Point.
    Stardust Resort & Casino: Closed November 1 2006, Demolished March 13, 2007, will become Echelon Place, expect completion 2010.
    Tally Ho Hotel: (Legal name was King's Crown Tally Ho) Sold in 1966, turned into The Aladdin, which now is Planet Hollywood in 2006.
    Thunderbird Casino:  Closed in 1976, reopened as Silverbird.
    Treasury Casino:  Sold and renamed as the San Remo in 1989.
    Union Casino:  Opened in 1970, renamed in 1971 as Union Plaza Casino.
    Vegas World: Sold in 1994, demolished in 1995, is now the Stratosphere.
    Westward Ho Casino: Closed in 2005, demolished in 2006.
    Vacation Village Resort & Casino: Closed in 2002, sold in 1994 to Turnberry Assoc., demolished in 2006.

http://www.insidervlv.com/casinosclosed.html

Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 08:07:15 AM
It sounds to me like Trump is being implicated in the Bolshevik deception we have come to associate with the Clintons, the Bushes, Al Gore, now John Kerry, Vladimir Putin, much of the British and American media, much of Congress and most of Parliament, but probably especially the Clintons and Gores. Not to leave out Obama.
These are people who appear to be steeped in the amorphous brainwashing associated with Globalism, Global warming, Multi cultural healing, (that is, if one race is sick, the all of humanity is sick,) Jewish Communism, and the European Economic Union.  If I had to sum it up, it would be practitioners of that Orwell/Skinner psychology aimed at subjugating the individual into compliance with the authoritarian state -- the Soviet.

I could go on with the long list of human concerns manufactured by communists for the goal of communism, but I think by now we are all more or less familiar with that agenda. It is anti industrial, anti capitalist, divisive and active on many fronts, not the least of which are education, central, paternalistic government, and so many examples of authoritarian tyranny such as flooding the borders with undesirables and thinly veiled militant attack on our institutions such as the Christian religion.

This is the company most of the Tea Party would have us associate with Donald Trump. By my reckoning, if Donald is part of the global socialist agenda,   he is keeping it very well hidden.

I would point to other significant differences between Trump and, say, Clintons or Obama. Not the least of which is what I am calling, "known origin." How is it that Clinton suddenly burst on the scene, Governor of Arkansas, or that Obama, something like out of thin air? Trump has been highly visible in that field of glamour real estate for as long as I have been paying attention. His life is an open book, sometimes not exactly to his edification. Can anyone point to a life period when Donald's time is somehow unaccounted for, a period of alleged programming by the Bolshevist master? Alleged or not, we can certainly count vacant years in the lives of both Clinton and Obama.

Sorry, I am not seeing the similarities. I do notice Tea Party like Beth Martin, effectively a webmaster, stepping forward in the guise of a kingmaker, an influential political operative. Compared to that sort of thing, I think the case against Donald Trump needs to be built on more solid ground than web warrior wise cracks.

Beth Martin is a fraud, pure and simple.
Trump has an open record, one that exposes a lack of values, while crisscrossing party affiliations.
He's either a Conservative or he is not, there is no in between, and his record proves he's a pure opportunist.

With that said, could he make a good leader? Sure, he's proven he can rally people, but those he rally's are focused on making money, not that this is a bad thing, but it leaves a trail of "Follow the Money" which exposes his lack of center outside of profit, leftist or Right, his goals have never been about country, it's always been about what's best for Trump.

Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 02:18:00 AM
What makes you think Trump is so smart? Is it the fact that he was smart enough to be born with a 12 million dollar trust fund that was turned over to him when he was 21,smart enough to inherit a successful 2 generation real estate empire that he ran into bankruptcy,or is the only man in all of known history who managed to run a freaking gambling casino into bankruptcy?

If Trump  had not been born sliding into home plate,the BEST he could hope for would be to be a used car salesman on a small 2 man  used car lot.

That is an unfair and rather simplistic description of Trump.

Quote from: Solar on July 29, 2015, 08:27:10 AM
Beth Martin is a fraud, pure and simple.
Trump has an open record, one that exposes a lack of values, while crisscrossing party affiliations. He's either a Conservative or he is not, there is no in between, and his record proves he's a pure opportunist.
With that said, could he make a good leader? Sure, he's proven he can rally people, but those he rally's are focused on making money, not that this is a bad thing, but it leaves a trail of "Follow the Money" which exposes his lack of center outside of profit, leftist or Right, his goals have never been about country, it's always been about what's best for Trump.

Fair enough. Those are legitimate concerns to be put on the table, for his defense. Bear in mind, he is not a political brand. He does not stop and process before speaking, "How will this affect my brand," as politicians do. To real estate developers, political parties usually take on the persona of just another obstacle to be dealt with -- sometimes useful, often useless as an embarrassing rash.
Entering his Plaza, he greeted the lady tidying up the lobby. "Good morning, Dora."
"Good morning, Mr. Trump." The man with him remarked, "You just greeted a cleaning lady. What's the matter with you?"  To which, Trump replied, "These are the people who made me."  That does not sound like somebody with no values. People who know him say he is really a good guy, unlike Clinton or Obama.
"Pure opportunists" don't normally make it that high, especially when  dealing with customers is involved.
Could he make a good leader?  Well he has proven leadership. One project after another, ongoing management in cash businesses.  Travels in global circles: Rio, Dubai, Singapore. Paying his own way. That's how he came to conclude that America is getting screwed. He wants to put America first. He wants to put America first. Little wonder Boehner and McConnell are  getting nervous. You gotta love it!

Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
That is an unfair and rather simplistic description of Trump.

No,it is an accurate and concise evaluation of the man's intellect and abilities.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 08:22:56 AM
This has turned into a contest of who can come up with the biggest whopper.
Trump graduated at the top of his class at Wharton. Twelve million equity in a prospering New York construction and real estate company is nothing. Donald ran that up to considerably more, net equity.
Incidentally, the general consensus has been over the years that the Vegas Casinos have been primarily skim and launder operations, not comparable to your average, run of the mill, enterprise.

Las Vegas is constantly changing and the list below of casino sales, implosions, closures and name changes is living proof.  The following information is listed in alphabetical order, not in date order.

Yeah,with a mere 12 million bucks in cash and rental income from  15,000 NYC rental apartments given to him for free at age 21 in the 1960's when a new car was $2500 and you could buy a new house for $15,000 ,it's a wonder he didn't go on welfare and food stamps. Who the hell can get by with that little,right?

Would you be willing to concede that the $200 million in cash plus the other assets he got when his father died may have helped keep his electricity on?

And when did the Trump casino get moved to Vegas?

Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 09:54:04 AM
No,it is an accurate and concise evaluation of the man's intellect and abilities.

Bollocks. He took the 21 million and turned into a multi billion dollar organization. Where his father bought and revitalized middle income properties Trump expanded to built hotels and casinos. He didn't just take his inheritance and live off it. He used and worked to become one of the most successful businessmen in the world. He's not dumb.

Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
Yeah,with a mere 12 million bucks in cash and rental income from  15,000 NYC rental apartments given to him for free at age 21 in the 1960's when a new car was $2500 and you could buy a new house for $15,000 ,it's a wonder he didn't go on welfare and food stamps. Who the hell can get by with that little,right?

Would you be willing to concede that the $200 million in cash plus the other assets he got when his father died may have helped keep his electricity on?

And when did the Trump casino get moved to Vegas?

Wealth envy is not attractive.

I do not care if Trump is legit or not. He simply is not the person we should be wanting in the WH. If nothing else, a president of the U.S. needs to be a diplomat - and Trump misses that mark by an astronomical unit or two. I actually enjoy his rhetoric and the way it cause the establishment repuglicans to react.  But the ability to insult - even if the insults are factually accurate - is not presidential material.

We have much better choices, with Cruz currently sitting as #1.  The last thing we need is to start dividing our voice, and end up with the Benghazi Bitch in office.

Quote from: zewazir on July 29, 2015, 12:20:46 PM
I do not care if Trump is legit or not. He simply is not the person we should be wanting in the WH. If nothing else, a president of the U.S. needs to be a diplomat - and Trump misses that mark by an astronomical unit or two. I actually enjoy his rhetoric and the way it cause the establishment repuglicans to react.  But the ability to insult - even if the insults are factually accurate - is not presidential material.

We have much better choices, with Cruz currently sitting as #1.  The last thing we need is to start dividing our voice, and end up with the Benghazi Bitch in office.

Ditto Z!

Quote from: kroz on July 29, 2015, 12:39:58 PM
Ditto Z!

Sen. Cruz is sitting at #1
We must have alternate web connections.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
Sen. Cruz is sitting at #1
We must have alternate web connections.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Yeah, I know..... Trump is the man of the hour....

Heard this morning that he is ahead of Rubio AND Jeb in Florida!!   

All I can say is Cruz is #1 on this forum!!!   

Lets throw Trump under the bus and run McCain again.