Quote from: kroz on July 24, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
One of the panelists on Bret Baier's program tonight caught the essence of the Trump phenomenon...

He said that Trump thinks this is all about "him", but it is really a "protest" phenomenon.  (I paraphrase him.)

Trump is polling high because he is the anti-establishment vote right now!  America is screaming against Washington and everyone there!  Trump is verbalizing what America feels.  ANGER

It is NOT that they love Trump.

I agree completely.

I also think his payoff is in pulling those people into the Republican Party,and then abandoning them like Perot did.

Flat out,the international financiers don't give a damn if it's someone with a R or with a Dim behind their names sitting in the WH because either way they own the occupant. The DNC and the RNC are focused solely on gaining power because that's where the money is. Neither one gives a damn about America.

Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
Keep in mind, we still have 16 months to go, so for a credible candidate to do what he is doing, and expect to remain the darling for 16 months, is pure insanity as well as suicide.
Trump, the flash in the pan, knows he can't maintain this momentum, no matter how hard he tries.
The speed of his rise to the lead, will only be matched by his plummet to the bottom, very soon.

Trump is not serious! Has he sent advance people to the early primary states yet? How much effort is being put into forming the massive ground operation that's required? He is getting a lot of free publicity but if he considered himself a real candidate his people would be opening offices in all the real battle ground states he would need to carry to win the primary and the general election. Have you seen this kind of movement?
Except for flying his big corporate jet to photo op's I don't see him putting money on the ground campaign!

Quote from: redbeard on July 24, 2015, 06:04:51 PM
Trump is not serious! Has he sent advance people to the early primary states yet? How much effort is being put into forming the massive ground operation that's required? He is getting a lot of free publicity but if he considered himself a real candidate his people would be opening offices in all the real battle ground states he would need to carry to win the primary and the general election. Have you seen this kind of movement?
Except for flying his big corporate jet to photo op's I don't see him putting money on the ground campaign!

Nailed it Red!

Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2015, 06:15:24 PM
Nailed it Red!

Don't get me wrong! He could be testing the waters before making the financial commitment But until I see different I think he is in it to change the debate and damage some of the people running he can't stand! I think Jeb is #1 on his list! The Illegal alien issue is Bush's Achilles heal!
I say enjoy Trump while he is around when he exits (and I will bet he has a strategy for that) one of our top conservatives will benefit big time!

Quote from: redbeard on July 24, 2015, 06:34:01 PM
Don't get me wrong! He could be testing the waters before making the financial commitment But until I see different I think he is in it to change the debate and damage some of the people running he can't stand! I think Jeb is #1 on his list! The Illegal alien issue is Bush's Achilles heal!
I say enjoy Trump while he is around when he exits (and I will bet he has a strategy for that) one of our top conservatives will benefit big time!

I think you're right, I think Trump wants to claim King Maker when all is said and done, in hopes of currying favor from the winner.
I give him , maybe a month and he'll fizzle.
But yeah, I love what he's doing, he's giving the RINO hemorrhoids and headaches.

Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2015, 06:42:27 PM
I think you're right, I think Trump wants to claim King Maker when all is said and done, in hopes of currying favor from the winner.
I give him , maybe a month and he'll fizzle.
But yeah, I love what he's doing, he's giving the RINO hemorrhoids and headaches.

It will be more them 1 month! I also predict he will leave while his numbers are still good! He will want to say he could have got it if he wanted it!

Seven reasons why Trump's candidacy helps us!

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/07/24/7-reasons-the-donald-helps-the-gop/

Quote from: kroz on July 25, 2015, 04:58:38 AM
Seven reasons why Trump's candidacy helps us!
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/07/24/7-reasons-the-donald-helps-the-gop/

Ben Shapiro always does a good job.

One of the things that irks voters across the board is the nagging evidence that both parties work in concert both for the benefit of the Washington establishment and the benefit of very powerful political and financial entities.

Mark Levin just laid bare the history of immigration since 1790. Though there have been more than one, the 1965 turning point ushered in the era of the non-white, non-Christian, unskilled, socialistic, non technical, non productive, from Third World and developing countries. Democrats happily take credit for this transformation, which continued unbroken to present, and claim the votes. Without the enthusiastic support of the GOP, the global elite, and the suppression of the American middle class, none of this would have been possible.

Mark Levin refrained from making that specific point. I'll make it for him.
If you look around your town and see once tidy neighborhoods that now resemble Brazil, you'll know what I mean.

What's this go to do with Trump and the argument, "Which party does he represent?"  A lot.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 25, 2015, 09:51:31 AM
Ben Shapiro always does a good job.

One of the things that irks voters across the board is the nagging evidence that both parties work in concert both for the benefit of the Washington establishment and the benefit of very powerful political and financial entities.

Mark Levin just laid bare the history of immigration since 1790. Though there have been more than one, the 1965 turning point ushered in the era of the non-white, non-Christian, unskilled, socialistic, non technical, non productive, from Third World and developing countries. Democrats happily take credit for this transformation, which continued unbroken to present, and claim the votes. Without the enthusiastic support of the GOP, the global elite, and the suppression of the American middle class, none of this would have been possible.

Mark Levin refrained from making that specific point. I'll make it for him.
If you look around your town and see once tidy neighborhoods that now resemble Brazil, you'll know what I mean.

What's this go to do with Trump and the argument, "Which party does he represent?"  A lot.

True

QuoteThe 10 Biggest Media Lies About Donald Trump

Donald Trump has consistently been outpolling all announced Republican presidential candidates despite a barrage of lies in the media about the business mogul.

Here's a look at some of the more prominent untruths the media have reported about Trump:

1. He is not a billionaire. Forbes magazine researchers have placed his worth at $4 billion, while Trump asserts that he is worth $10 billion. A disclosure document recently released by the Federal Election Commission lists 515 different positions and 168 assets and sources of income for Trump.

The assets include 23 that are valued at more than $50 million each. Many items require that he check the box marked "$50 million or more" when they could be worth considerably more, meaning Trump's fortune may be higher than the disclosure suggests.

2. Trump is not a successful businessman. Critics says he inherited a fortune from his family and has declared bankruptcy several times. But Trump's father had a net wealth estimated at between $250 million and $400 million at the time of his death, and he had four surviving children who were heirs, so Trump is responsible for accumulating the great bulk of his fortune. Trump has never personally declared bankruptcy. Some businesses he controlled or licensed his name have, but this is not unusual for a mogul who has owned hundreds of properties and businesses through the years.

3. He said all Mexicans were rapists. What he said while announcing his candidacy is that illegal immigrants from Mexico are "bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Trump has made it clear he was not saying all Mexicans are criminals or that all illegal aliens are criminals, but the media have continued to charge that he branded Mexican immigrants as rapists. He has also said he "loves"  the Mexican people, but was referring to the Mexican government.
4. Trump said John McCain is not a war hero. The Washington Post reported that Trump said "McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese." But Trump immediately modified his statement by saying, four times, that McCain is a war hero, including: "He is a war hero" and "he is a war hero because he was captured."

The Post also did not put Trump's remarks in the context of a feud between Trump and the Arizona senator, who has characterized some Trump supporters as "crazies."

5. Only 2,500 people showed up to hear Trump speak at the Phoenix Convention Center. The Phoenix Business Journal reported that 4,200 people were on hand, and noted, significantly, that "there were scores of Trump backers that did not get into his rally because the room hit fire code capacity." Other independent observers have placed the crowd at over 7,500.

More @
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-biggest-media-lies/2015/07/25/id/658877/#ixzz3gwFgcukR

I only listed the first 5. Well worth reading! The lame stream media is working him over hard! Kind of makes you wonder where in the polls he would be if he wasn't their whipping boy!
One of the most interesting ones not posted is his standing with Latinos! By some polls he is between 27 to 31% higher then most other GOP candidate! What's up with that?

Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 01:56:22 PM

I only listed the first 5. Well worth reading! The lame stream media is working him over hard! Kind of makes you wonder where in the polls he would be if he wasn't their whipping boy!
One of the most interesting ones not posted is his standing with Latinos! By some polls he is between 27 to 31% higher then most other GOP candidate! What's up with that?

Instead of hurting Trump.... they are actually driving throngs of voters toward Trump.

The more bad press he gets..... the more favor he gets from the voters.

The media is disliked even more than Congress.

Quote from: kroz on July 25, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
Instead of hurting Trump.... they are actually driving throngs of voters toward Trump.

The more bad press he gets..... the more favor he gets from the voters.

The media is disliked even more than Congress.

Did you read them all? This article was dead on!

Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 02:04:55 PM
Did you read them all? This article was dead on!

Yes, I read them all.   

Yes, they were correct.  HOWEVER, that is NOT hurting Trump's popularity with the voters.  It is enhancing his popularity!  Whether they were true or not was not the point.  The point is that if the press is against you..... that is a plus with the voters!

So, in all likelihood his poll numbers would be less if the press kept mum!

One of the things not being covered properly is if Trump can pull 31% of the Hispanic voters that is about as high as anyone in the republican party could draw. No one, not even Ted Cruz will do much better then that considering how many Hispanics are receiving public money!!

Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
One of the things not being covered properly is if Trump can pull 31% of the Hispanic voters that is about as high as anyone in the republican party could draw. No one, not even Ted Cruz will do much better then that considering how many Hispanics are receiving public money!!

It might be too early yet to determine how the hispanic vote will fall.  There are many factors this time around..... not the average election year.  Homeland safety and security is important even to the hispanics.  The dems are obviously not going to secure the borders.