Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2015, 04:40:15 PM

Yes, like I said earlier, Cruz is a young man with the wisdom of an 80 year old.
McCain's a traitor, there really is no other way to describe the ass hole.
The entire Establishment sold out the country for their own selfish reasons, and If I were elected, they'd all be facing treason charges and shot.

"Vote for me, I'll kill em all without prejudice." Maybe I need to rethink my campaign slogan a bit.....

Hmm...  and another one bites the dust!

Quote from: carlb on July 18, 2015, 04:24:35 PM
That's why Cruz is a better candidate. He handles these things with wisdom. Trump does lack sense, but I still DESPISE McCain.

Well, kids, isn't it time we finally admitted how badly our generation screwed up, judging by the people we sent to Congress?

I'll just use the lib-tactic to semi-defend Trump: If McCain had retired after '08 like he should've, this wouldn't have happened.  Though I don't think the comments are gonna haunt anybody for long.

Dems can't say anything on it... after calling Romney a murderer, and savaging the McCain/Palin ticket.  And for any (loose word) 'intrepid' network pundits who try to confront Trump will be shot-down with video-tape of said pundit bad-mouthing McCain. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on July 18, 2015, 08:03:36 PM
I'll just use the lib-tactic to semi-defend Trump: If McCain had retired after '08 like he should've, this wouldn't have happened.  Though I don't think the comments are gonna haunt anybody for long.

Dems can't say anything on it... after calling Romney a murderer, and savaging the McCain/Palin ticket.  And for any (loose word) 'intrepid' network pundits who try to confront Trump will be shot-down with video-tape of said pundit bad-mouthing McCain.

Look, My dad was an ex-POW but to me it wasn't only that he was shot down that made him a hero, It is all the missions he flew in a B-26 prior to being shot down! McCain also flew a lot of missions. Trump should not have attack his service record! With that said this blunder will die away! Trump his a record supporting our troops and even supported McCain when he ran for president!
One of the things I found interesting with all the blanket chastising he received from the rest of the GOP field Walker and Cruz issued statements supporting McCain's record but did not call Trump out by name!

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•Sen. Ted Cruz: "John McCain is an American hero. Although we have some policy disagreements, I'm proud to serve alongside him."
•Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker:  "@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero, period. I'll denounce any attack against his service and anyone else who wears the uniform. -SW"

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-mccain-comments-gop/2015/07/18/id/657819/#ixzz3gN0D2kmm

Pretty mild rebuke when compared to the others! Again I think there is maneuvering behind the scenes to win Trumps support when he exits the field!

Growing up, I always understood the term hero was reserved for people that put their own lives at risk to save others, went way beyond the call of duty, extraordinary people, people that never seek the limelight, return to normal life wanting no recognition, knowing what they did is what being American is all about.

So would someone tell me what in the Hell makes Johnny, the crony socialist, a freakin hero?

Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:09:35 PM
Growing up, I always understood the term hero was reserved for people that put their own lives at risk to save others, went way beyond the call of duty, extraordinary people, people that never seek the limelight, return to normal life wanting no recognition, knowing what they did is what being American is all about.

So would someone tell me what in the Hell makes Johnny, the crony socialist, a freakin hero?

I agree.  It really is difficult to think of McCain as a "hero" when he has done so many things to hurt this Nation during his years in the Senate!

Are his war years suppose to exempt him from ever losing his "hero" status???  I think not!

It is possible to lose your "title"!

Quote from: kroz on July 19, 2015, 02:16:30 PM
I agree.  It really is difficult to think of McCain as a "hero" when he has done so many things to hurt this Nation during his years in the Senate!

Are his war years suppose to exempt him from ever losing his "hero" status???  I think not!

It is possible to lose your "title"!

But what qualifies him as a hero? Did he save lives in prison, is there more to the story?
I did hear one version that claimed he refused to leave others behind when offered in a trade for freedom, but another POW called it bull and lies, that Johnny had made concessions for better treatment.

Anyone know the truth?

Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
But what qualifies him as a hero? Did he save lives in prison, is there more to the story?
I did hear one version that claimed he refused to leave others behind when offered in a trade for freedom, but another POW called it bull and lies, that Johnny had made concessions for better treatment.

Anyone know the truth?

Not I.

He definitely has joint problems due to torture when imprisoned.  He cannot lift his arms in a normal fashion.  That is why he is so adamantly against ANY form of perceived "torture".... i.e.  water boarding.   

Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:09:35 PM
Growing up, I always understood the term hero was reserved for people that put their own lives at risk to save others, went way beyond the call of duty, extraordinary people, people that never seek the limelight, return to normal life wanting no recognition, knowing what they did is what being American is all about.

So would someone tell me what in the Hell makes Johnny, the crony socialist, a freakin hero?

From reports of others held captive McCain endured daily beatings but refused to crack! The scars of his confinement are evident by the lost motion in his arms! I will not deny him his service record or hero statist!
With that said, it does not make him right or wrong on political issues and his service record from so long ago shouldn't be used to hide behind! Bringing up McCain's service record is a mistake! It should be off limits!

Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
From reports of others held captive McCain endured daily beatings but refused to crack! The scars of his confinement are evident by the lost motion in his arms! I will not deny him his service record or hero statist!
With that said, it does not make him right or wrong on political issues and his service record from so long ago shouldn't be used to hide behind! Bringing up McCain's service record is a mistake! It should be off limits!

Here's what Trump actually said. Thanks to Sharyl Attkinsson.
https://sharylattkisson.com/fact-check-the-washington-post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain/

4. Is the Post's characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post's caption of the video clip, which also states: "Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added]."

Further, in the Post's second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, "He's not a war hero...He's a war hero because he was captured," but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: "He is a war hero."

Conclusion

Trump actually said the opposite of what the Post lead sentence and video caption claim. The Post might have been able to get away stating that Trump "implied" McCain was not a war hero because McCain was captured, but even that would have been a subjective interpretation since Trump had actually stated the opposite.

On November 11, 1992, Dolores Alfond, sister of missing airman Capt. Victor Apodaca and chair of the National Alliance of Families, an organization of relatives of POW/MIAs, testified at one of the Senate committee's public hearings. She asked for information about data the government had gathered from electronic devices used in a classified program known as PAVE SPIKE.

The devices were primarily motion sensors, dropped by air, designed to pick up enemy troop movements. But they also had rescue capabilities. Someone on the ground–a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor gang–could manually enter data into the sensor, which were regularly collected electronically by US planes flying overhead. Alfond stated, without any challenge from the committee, that in 1974, a year after the supposedly complete return of prisoners, the gathered data showed that a person or people had manually entered into the sensors–as US pilots had been trained to do–"no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 US POW/MIAs who were lost in Laos." Alfond added, says the transcript: "This PAVE SPIKE intelligence is seamless, but the committee has not discussed it or released what it knows about PAVE SPIKE."

McCain, whose POW status made him the committee's most powerful member, attended that hearing specifically to confront Alfond because of her criticism of the panel's work. He bellowed and berated her for quite a while. His face turning anger-pink, he accused her of "denigrating" his "patriotism." The bullying had its effect–she began to cry.

After a pause Alfond recovered and tried to respond to his scorching tirade, but McCain simply turned and stormed out of the room. The PAVE SPIKE file has never been declassified. We still don't know anything about those 20 POWs.

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-has-john-mccain-blocked-info-mias/

Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
But what qualifies him as a hero? Did he save lives in prison, is there more to the story?
I did hear one version that claimed he refused to leave others behind when offered in a trade for freedom, but another POW called it bull and lies, that Johnny had made concessions for better treatment.

Anyone know the truth?

Well one person that by all reports was a true Hero and medal of Honor winner served time with McCain in Hanoi Is general Bud Day! one of the leaders of the Swift Boaters against Kerry movement was a friend of McCain and supported him. If he was a sell out Bud Day, a very remarkable hero, would never have supported him!

I will trust General Day on this out of respect to him!
PS, Goggle his name! A very remarkable man!!

Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
From reports of others held captive McCain endured daily beatings but refused to crack! The scars of his confinement are evident by the lost motion in his arms! I will not deny him his service record or hero statist!
With that said, it does not make him right or wrong on political issues and his service record from so long ago shouldn't be used to hide behind! Bringing up McCain's service record is a mistake! It should be off limits!

Why Swift boat John Kerry's was open by the Swift boaters, Bush 2 record was also wide open.   There are hero and then there are HERO!

Quote from: walkstall on July 19, 2015, 03:16:11 PM
Why Swift boat John Kerry's was open by the Swift boaters, Bush 2 record was also wide open.   There are hero and then there are HERO!

See Above in my last post!

Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 03:15:36 PM
Well one person that by all reports was a true Hero and medal of Honor winner served time with McCain in Hanoi Is general Bud Day! one of the leaders of the Swift Boaters against Kerry movement was a friend of McCain and supported him. If he was a sell out Bud Day, a very remarkable hero, would never have supported him!

I will trust General Day on this out of respect to him!
PS, Goggle his name! A very remarkable man!!

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