Quote from: quiller on June 17, 2015, 06:00:33 AM
I think I mentioned: there's no faster way to lose a fortune than get involved in politics. It's his to waste and our national future at stake once his Perot-factor entry finally kicks in.

As I see it, there are a handful with proven records of accomplishment, taking away Senator Cruz's bona fide integrity, courage, and analytical gifts. That would be Governor Perry, as governor of Texas,  a stand out. And Trump.

Bobby Jindahl is in that category, with bonus points for openness in a notoriously back room state of Louisiana. Lindsay Graham must know what he is doing, too, from the looks of SC.

Walker is a favorite, but as an underdog standing up to the public unions. Take that away, and he is another from the Pariah States: MN, WI, IL, MO, NY, NJ, PA. MA. Can't imagine how governors of NY or NJ would even be considered. Almost say the same about FL.  Forget California.  It is weird. Clinton's leading, and she's screwed up everything she's touched.

MOTUS poses good questions. What makes Donald Trump think he can be President?
He's never even been a community organizer. He's not written two autobiogaphries by the time he was forty.  And, he's never been an adjunct lecturer on the Constitution at the U of Chicago. He must be dreaming!

Quote from: red_dirt on June 17, 2015, 10:07:04 AM
MOTUS poses good questions. What makes Donald Trump think he can be President?
He's never even been a community organizer. He's not written two autobiogaphries by the time he was forty.  And, he's never been an adjunct lecturer on the Constitution at the U of Chicago. He must be dreaming!

Yeah, it seems that loving the country is now considered passe by many, so I guess he's unqualified.

Quote from: red_dirt on June 16, 2015, 10:34:52 PM
You want phoney?  How about university administrators, that is, State authorities, Regents, College Presidents, the whole nine yards, opting for open carry on campus as if it is some kind of badge of courage, when, the truth is, strip away their phoniness, the whole gang of them should be run out of their offices by angry citizens.
The problem people have with Trump is that people know he would ask the question, "Do we have a problem, here? And if so, what is that problem." Thus opening the discussion, the corrective action would then commence to be designed.
Oh, yeah, a real phoney, compared to the real ones out there who take the advice of their consultants who tell them, "You wanna win? Then shut your mouth and read what we hand you." That's the strategy of a real man, like Obongorama.

I have no doubt Trump is a great problem solver.  He may be part of the lucky sperm club, but I do think he is a good businessperson.  I sort of, in a way, see Trump and Romney the same.  They are both phonies, as Romney is putting on full display now, but if Romney was tasked with solving a major problem, he could totally do it and be great at it -- actually I think more than any candidate I've seen in a long time.  He has experience doing it, and has had the success.  I think Romney is light years ahead of Trump in that realm, but Trump would run across the isle to compromise to prove he's not a mean guy.  If you ever had to endure an episode of Celebrity Apprentice, you know 90% of the time is him telling each person how much he respects them and how great they are.  A few I could buy into, but most of them are just freak shows that have no talent or skillset.

Overall, Trump just sets off my BS meter in a major way.

Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2015, 11:49:34 AM
I have no doubt Trump is a great problem solver.  He may be part of the lucky sperm club, but I do think he is a good businessperson.  I sort of, in a way, see Trump and Romney the same.  They are both phonies, as Romney is putting on full display now, but if Romney was tasked with solving a major problem, he could totally do it and be great at it -- actually I think more than any candidate I've seen in a long time.  He has experience doing it, and has had the success.  I think Romney is light years ahead of Trump in that realm, but Trump would run across the isle to compromise to prove he's not a mean guy.  If you ever had to endure an episode of Celebrity Apprentice, you know 90% of the time is him telling each person how much he respects them and how great they are.  A few I could buy into, but most of them are just freak shows that have no talent or skillset.

Overall, Trump just sets off my BS meter in a major way.

I don't think Trump is in it for the long haul! I do think he will effect the debate pushing the others to come out and be specific on how they would handle major issues they seem to be avoiding. He has diffidently stirred the pot! I think his entering will hurt the RINO's more with his straight forward answers on trade and boarder control! His answer to ISIS was also very good. He left the impression that his way of dealing with it is the find the right general and give him the support to do what has to be done! Sounds like limited control from the oval office. Let the military do their job!

Quote from: redbeard on June 17, 2015, 12:15:27 PM
I don't think Trump is in it for the long haul! I do think he will effect the debate pushing the others to come out and be specific on how they would handle major issues they seem to be avoiding.  Sounds like limited control from the oval office. Let the military do their job!

He's got me convinced he's in it because he's p----d! Never met anyone from NY who wasn't.
I think you are right, he is in it to exert influence and pressure. Honestly, the advertising value for his properties more than makes up for the expense. I wouldn't be surprised if we found his campaign expenses were being written off by the front office as advertising. Have you subscribed to his Twitter? It is a non stop slide show of golf course, resorts, hotels, and casinos. The man was not born yesterday.

Was it the Art of the Deal where he told the story of the ice rink at Rock Plaza? There was this seven year gridlock. He took the project and had it finished in about eight weeks. That was a watershed moment in the development of the entrepreneur.  That's when he realized he could accomplish just about anything.  He then proceeded to tell young Americans, "So can you!"

Trump has much to offer as a spoiler in killing off RINO, but truth is, he's no Conservative/.
If anything, he could easily be considered a crony capitalist, one that not only supported TARP, but the auto baliouts as well.

Like ...I think it was Taxed deferred to him as another Mitten- RINO.-

Quote from: Solar on June 17, 2015, 02:50:09 PM
Trump has much to offer as a spoiler in killing off RINO, but truth is, he's no Conservative/.
If anything, he could easily be considered a crony capitalist, one that not only supported TARP, but the auto baliouts as well.

Like ...I think it was Taxed deferred to him as another Mitten- RINO.-

I agree he is NO conservative.  That is what alarms me about him...... he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Quote from: kroz on June 17, 2015, 02:56:40 PM
he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I go with your judgment...

Yet Trump's anger is coming from somewhere on the Right.

Quote from: kroz on June 17, 2015, 02:56:40 PM
I agree he is NO conservative.  That is what alarms me about him...... he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Yep, just like the logo for the Fabian socialists.
Here's another people need to be aware of.

Quote"We must have universal healthcare. Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice."
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/7984-another-day-another-shot-at-trump

Trump also wanted to tax the wealthy 14.75% of their net worth.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Tax_Reform.htm

Bottom line? Trump will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.

Quote from: Solar on June 17, 2015, 03:10:51 PM
Bottom line? Trump will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.

He sure is telling me what I want to hear. I find this announcement stirring, and I hope millions of others do as well.

Watch Donald Trump announce his candidacy for U.S. president

https://youtu.be/SpMJx0-HyOM

He opens up with a front assault on immigration policy. "I talk to border enforcement people, all the time."  Look, the 1954 Immigration reform supposedly did away with quotas and white European preference. Surprise, the Democrats completely turned that to South American and Mexican preference.
That's why the open border. What is going on is against the law!

Quote from: red_dirt on June 17, 2015, 05:36:15 PM
He sure is telling me what I want to hear. I find this announcement stirring, and I hope millions of others do as well.

He opens up with a front assault on immigration policy. "I talk to border enforcement people, all the time."  Look, the 1954 Immigration reform supposedly did away with quotas and white European preference. Surprise, the Democrats completely turned that to South American and Mexican preference.
That's why the open border. What is going on is against the law!

And this doesn';t raise red flags to you?

"We must have universal healthcare. Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice."

Trump may be an asset. The media love covering him and mocking him. When they are obsessing over him they are not obsessing over the extreme right wing evil Tea Party racist etc etc etc....

I made it to 49 seconds.  I tried folks, I did.  Donald just doesn't have "it".  I'd love to see him run for NY Governor though.  He should try that.  Or Mayor.

Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
I made it to 49 seconds.  I tried folks, I did.  Donald just doesn't have "it".  I'd love to see him run for NY Governor though.  He should try that.  Or Mayor.

I watched it. Maybe Trump is secretly doing a reality show.