Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2015, 06:32:12 PM
Not really following your point here, Cruz did not vote for it as you stated..

Was there a vote in congress that we don't know about.   

I stand corrected. There is another vote yet to come. That's what I get for listening to Alex Jones.
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Senate pushes Obama's Pacific Rim trade pact forward
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/24/us-usa-trade-vote-idUSKBN0P31TF20150624
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DEBATE LIMITED
The Senate voted 60-37 on Tuesday to limit debate on the fast-track measure. That just barely satisfied the 60-vote threshold needed after two senators who supported the bill on its first run through the Senate a month ago - Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Ben Cardin - changed their votes to "no."
"Today is a very big vote. It's an important moment for the country," said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, the chamber's top Republican, in urging senators to support the 12-nation TPP, a central part of Obama's foreign policy pivot to Asia.
Democrat Sherrod Brown, who voted "no" on fast-track, said the trade deal would benefit companies at the expense of workers. "This is a day of celebration in the corporate suites of this country," he said after the vote.
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That would leave just one section of the four-part trade package outstanding, a bill to strengthen customs and enforcement that must be considered by a joint committee of lawmakers from both chambers.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 15, 2015, 07:48:57 PM
I stand corrected. There is another vote yet to come. That's what I get for listening to Alex Jones.
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Been there, done that. Which is why I never listen to him anymore.

Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2015, 07:59:06 PM
Been there, done that. Which is why I never listen to him anymore.

Still, Solar, when we see Congress passing a "no debate on this one" rule, we can be pretty sure it is in the bag, this Pacific Trade and Fast Track Authority. The big spenders have their hearts set on it.
What I have learned about it has been pieced together from radio shows like Mark Levin, The Wilko, and from various sources on the web. Whack jobs like David Icke have been put out there to inoculate Americans against "con-speericy theeries."

Quote from: red_dirt on July 16, 2015, 05:40:03 AM
Still, Solar, when we see Congress passing a "no debate on this one" rule, we can be pretty sure it is in the bag, this Pacific Trade and Fast Track Authority. The big spenders have their hearts set on it.
What I have learned about it has been pieced together from radio shows like Mark Levin, The Wilko, and from various sources on the web. Whack jobs like David Icke have been put out there to inoculate Americans against "con-speericy theeries."

So what's your point?

The point is to bring this deal to light, put the terms on the table, so that voters will know just what our elected representatives are doing to this economy.  Why would anyone in their right mind assign fast track authority over anything to Barack Obama and what might be coming down the road after he is done.

Let me be clear on Trump. I like what he's dpoing, I love how the RNC claims he'd tarnishing the GOP image. Yeah, as if they haven't destroyed it already. 

I love the fact he's speaking out and telling the truth, it helps expose both party's for the frauds and liars they truly are.
But as far as I'm concerned, he'll never make it through the summer, that's who he is, a flash in the pan, loves the spotlight, grabs the mic and screams "NOTICE ME, I'm Great!"

But believe me, as soon as the attention fades and it will, he will simply fade away, just like he always does, his ego won't allow him to lose, and regaining the spotlight would be too much of a battle in running the risk of rejection which is too much for the guy.

But I support what he's doing at the moment.

Well maybe I need to rethink this Trump thing. If McCain hates him, he can't be all bad!

QuoteMcCain said that Donald Trump's comments on immigration have "fired up the crazies" in the Republican Party.   

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/john-mccain-has-a-few-things-to-say-about-donald-trump     

I REALLY DESPISE McCain!

Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2015, 04:36:40 PM
Let me be clear on Trump. I like what he's dpoing, I love how the RNC claims he'd tarnishing the GOP image. Yeah, as if they haven't destroyed it already. 

I love the fact he's speaking out and telling the truth, it helps expose both party's for the frauds and liars they truly are.
But as far as I'm concerned, he'll never make it through the summer, that's who he is, a flash in the pan, loves the spotlight, grabs the mic and screams "NOTICE ME, I'm Great!"

But believe me, as soon as the attention fades and it will, he will simply fade away, just like he always does, his ego won't allow him to lose, and regaining the spotlight would be too much of a battle in running the risk of rejection which is too much for the guy.

But I support what he's doing at the moment.

No way Trump will put all his 10 billion in holdings in a blind trust! He will stir the pot through the fall and quietly bail out! Trump will throw his considerable weight behind someone else! Cruz Knows this! That meeting wasn't a wine tasting get together! I suspect Trump will be meeting with others too!

Quote from: redbeard on July 16, 2015, 06:07:15 PM
No way Trump will put all his 10 billion in holdings in a blind trust! He will stir the pot through the fall and quietly bail out! Trump will throw his considerable weight behind someone else! Cruz Knows this! That meeting wasn't a wine tasting get together! I suspect Trump will be meeting with others too!

I think you're right on the money.

Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
I think you're right on the money.

One more thing! If I was Trump with the debates coming up, I would get a few of the conservatives that will be there on the same page to help knock the RINO's down a peg or 2. If this is what he is doing watch for other meeting with other contenders! Like I've been saying this will be a fun primary season!!

Quote from: redbeard on July 16, 2015, 09:24:54 PM
One more thing! If I was Trump with the debates coming up, I would get a few of the conservatives that will be there on the same page to help knock the RINO's down a peg or 2. If this is what he is doing watch for other meeting with other contenders! Like I've been saying this will be a fun primary season!!

Agree with that. At this point, one of the main concerns is that Cruz/Bush match.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 17, 2015, 04:57:22 AM
Agree with that. At this point, one of the main concerns is that Cruz/Bush match.

Match...You mean debate?

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2015, 05:54:23 AM
Match...You mean debate?

The debate would be the least of my concerns. Cruz would cruzify JEB in any debate, though JEB could no doubt hire a louder cheering section.

No, I mean the match-up. Let's say everyone dropped but JEB and Cruz. It would be pretty obvious where the support for each was based. That's the contest I am referring to and directing my attention to. Cruz can beat him, but he has to play every card exactly right, overcome the home court advantage, and have 110% support of his base.


It is not so plain how JEB has managed to achieve the position he has, or raised the money, since it seems clear JEB started with very modest rank and file support, like, under 10%, and does not seem to have done much of anything to explain any improvement. Yet, there he is, right in there with the best of them, smiling away. Doesn't this seem like a movie we have been to before?

Financially, we are on the edge of a precipice. The wrong candidate, which would be any Bush, any Kennedy, with the right connections, a Reid, a Boehner, and a McConnell, could pull off a Treasury heist from the inside,  the likes of which has never been seen. 

Quote from: red_dirt on July 17, 2015, 06:27:25 AM
The debate would be the least of my concerns. Cruz would cruzify JEB in any debate, though JEB could no doubt hire a louder cheering section.

No, I mean the match-up. Let's say everyone dropped but JEB and Cruz. It would be pretty obvious where the support for each was based. That's the contest I am referring to and directing my attention to. Cruz can beat him, but he has to play every card exactly right, overcome the home court advantage, and have 110% support of his base.


It is not so plain how JEB has managed to achieve the position he has, or raised the money, since it seems clear JEB started with very modest rank and file support, like, under 10%, and does not seem to have done much of anything to explain any improvement. Yet, there he is, right in there with the best of them, smiling away. Doesn't this seem like a movie we have been to before?

Financially, we are on the edge of a precipice. The wrong candidate, which would be any Bush, any Kennedy, with the right connections, a Reid, a Boehner, and a McConnell, could pull off a Treasury heist from the inside,  the likes of which has never been seen.

It won't, but for giggles, lets assume Bush held out to the end and came up against Cruz.
Jeb would be slaughtered, he has no supporters beyond crony capitalists and the media.
The support Bush is amplified by these two entities, creating the illusion of support, when in truth, Bush gets 3% or less of the base.

Personally, I'm surprised he's still in the running. Probably because the Establishment put all their eggs in three baskets, Bush, Rubio and Rand as backup.
In truth, none of these people have a prayer, but watch as Rubio slowly fades, and Rand to be pushed to the sacrificial forefront, while Bush sits in the background waiting for another shot as all the candidates slowly fade away.

This format repeats every election cycle, and it only worked so far as clearing the field of competition, but never gets them elected, as evidenced by Bush 41, Dole, McCain, Mitten.
The formula only worked in keeping the Establishment in power, something they willingly accepted.
Reagan was the exception, as will be Cruz.