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Title: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 05:56:01 AM
It can't be anymore clear. Which idea do you support?


Can't wait to see what Q says! :cool:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?" Trump said.

Putting the Founding Fathers in quotes — "Our Great 'Founders'" — the president then essentially seemed to suggest the "termination" of the U.S. Constitution could be allowable.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!" he added.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/12/03/trump-suggests-termination-u-s-constitution-allowable-over-2020-twitter-scandal/
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 04, 2022, 06:09:32 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 05:56:01 AMIt can't be anymore clear. Which idea do you support?


Can't wait to see what Q says! :cool:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?" Trump said.

Putting the Founding Fathers in quotes — "Our Great 'Founders'" — the president then essentially seemed to suggest the "termination" of the U.S. Constitution could be allowable.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!" he added.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/12/03/trump-suggests-termination-u-s-constitution-allowable-over-2020-twitter-scandal/
I believe the answer will lie in who gets to answer it. If it is up to congress, we will never get a answer. If it will be the SCOTUS, I can not even guess which way they will go. I guess a cop-out along the lines of "yes, we know there was cheating and fraud, but that does not prove who lost. We will let the voters decide next election."
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 06:11:39 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 04, 2022, 06:09:32 AMI believe the answer will lie in who gets to answer it. If it is up to congress, we will never get a answer. If it will be the SCOTUS, I can not even guess which way they will go. I guess a cop-out along the lines of "yes, we know there was cheating and fraud, but that does not prove who lost. We will let the voters decide next election."
IF, there is another election?
We don't have that much time left.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 04, 2022, 06:33:34 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 06:11:39 AMIF, there is another election?
We don't have that much time left.
We have two problems, not much time, and a republican party that can not get anything done.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 06:39:08 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 04, 2022, 06:33:34 AMWe have two problems, not much time, and a republican party that can not get anything done.
Or refuses to get anything done.
The question is, is this a hint as to what is being planned?

Presidents don't say these things off the cuff. there is a lot of thought that goes into timing of such a statement.
We're talking about destroying the Govt, this cannot be taken lightly. It could also be seen as sedition.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 04, 2022, 06:52:31 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 06:39:08 AMOr refuses to get anything done.
The question is, is this a hint as to what is being planned?

Presidents don't say these things off the cuff. there is a lot of thought that goes into timing of such a statement.
We're talking about destroying the Govt, this cannot be taken lightly. It could also be seen as sedition.
Knowing what is at stake, McCarthy is the wrong choice for speaker. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 06:53:27 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 04, 2022, 06:52:31 AMKnowing what is at stake, McCarthy is the wrong choice for speaker. Hope I'm wrong.
He's a Dim, he's the wrong choice for anything.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: yrunvs on December 04, 2022, 07:22:38 AM
Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt

What part of "election fraud" do you folks not understand?

The choice we have is more fraudulent elections or a drained swamp. The 2020 election (the real will of the people) chose a new government led by DJT. Under DJT's leadership we would have a transparent government guided by the U.S. Constitution and with an overhaul of the election process the true voice of the people would be heard and adhered to. If honest elections prove that freaks and fairies and criminals should be in power then so be it. We will never have free and fair elections until what we have now is flushed and that means lawfully installing DJT to his rightful presidency per the 2020 election.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 07:39:17 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 05:56:01 AMIt can't be anymore clear. Which idea do you support?


Can't wait to see what Q says! :cool:

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?" Trump said.

Putting the Founding Fathers in quotes — "Our Great 'Founders'" — the president then essentially seemed to suggest the "termination" of the U.S. Constitution could be allowable.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!" he added.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/12/03/trump-suggests-termination-u-s-constitution-allowable-over-2020-twitter-scandal/

We need a redo. There was so much cheating of different kinds that its impossible to reconstruct the actual results so I want a redo so everyone will see trump winning in a landslide.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 07:41:34 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 06:39:08 AMOr refuses to get anything done.
The question is, is this a hint as to what is being planned?

Presidents don't say these things off the cuff. there is a lot of thought that goes into timing of such a statement.
We're talking about destroying the Govt, this cannot be taken lightly. It could also be seen as sedition.

Right, the timing of this is so important. I think trump is just laying the seed, the idea.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 07:43:39 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 07:39:17 AMWe need a redo. There was so much cheating of different kinds that its impossible to reconstruct the actual results so I want a redo so everyone will see trump winning in a landslide.
In a Nation of Free and Fair elections, I would concur.
But those days have passed.

Could this be a lead up to military intervention?
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: yrunvs on December 04, 2022, 07:45:23 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 07:39:17 AMWe need a redo. There was so much cheating of different kinds that its impossible to reconstruct the actual results so I want a redo so everyone will see trump winning in a landslide.

He won by a landslide in 2020 what's the point? You know the definition of insanity, right?
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 07:47:50 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 07:41:34 AMRight, the timing of this is so important. I think trump is just laying the seed, the idea.
Exactly!
When the left would do this, we called it "Floating a balloon". But I think the Patriot base passed the Balloon stage long ago.
This appears to be more of a "Tip of the Hand" so to speak. A signal, if you will.

Like I said, Presidents don't talk of over throwing Govt lightly, if ever. This statement is precedent setting!
One can't help but think something is already underway!
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: yrunvs on December 04, 2022, 07:58:30 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 07:43:39 AMIn a Nation of Free and Fair elections, I would concur.
But those days have passed.

Could this be a lead up to military intervention?

There is the possibility of an implosion of the will from the bad actors as more and more unrefutable evidence and truth is revealed to the masses a tipping point where the obvious becomes just to obvious to ignore. The house of cards if you will where the weight of truth collapse's the NWO dream. Villain's like fauci will be compared to hitler and stalin in the same breath.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 08:06:22 AM
Quote from: yrunvs on December 04, 2022, 07:58:30 AMThere is the possibility of an implosion of the will from the bad actors as more and more unrefutable evidence and truth is revealed to the masses a tipping point where the obvious becomes just to obvious to ignore. The house of cards if you will where the weight of truth collapse's the NWO dream. Villain's like fauci will be compared to hitler and stalin in the same breath.
Exactly! What the time frame is, probably depends on how long it takes the libs to turn on the left.
I expect to see something from Q shortly qualifying what Trump said, but I also think Trump is waiting for a response from the media over his statement.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

There is no mistaking what he said. How will the left react? Talk about baiting them in? :lol:
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 04, 2022, 08:22:10 AM
I'm guessing the first step will be with the SC. If the election is declared a fraud the democrat party will have very little power nationally, and not much more in the states. If they declare a new election, how would the fraud be taken out of the mail in ballots?   
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 08:29:44 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 04, 2022, 08:22:10 AMI'm guessing the first step will be with the SC. If the election is declared a fraud the democrat party will have very little power nationally, and not much more in the states. If they declare a new election, how would the fraud be taken out of the mail in ballots?   
Your point shows this is only the first of many. There is a process and SCOTUS being one of them. What is the next?
This is going to require some serious "Out of the box" thinking, because we've never been confronted by such a horror in our lives.

But then, we never thought it possible the left would go full blown communist either?
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 08:31:51 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 07:43:39 AMIn a Nation of Free and Fair elections, I would concur.
But those days have passed.

Could this be a lead up to military intervention?

Yes youre right, no point in a redo corrupt election. I guess what I meant was I want a redo after the elections are fixed. So ya probably have the military run it with civilians being allowed to observe it all. But I dont like the idea of just declaring trump president without eventually having a redo to prove the landslide he won by.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: yrunvs on December 04, 2022, 07:45:23 AMHe won by a landslide in 2020 what's the point? You know the definition of insanity, right?

I guess I meant AFTER we cleaned up the elections. But youre right, redoing a bad election will still be bad.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 08:34:38 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 07:47:50 AMExactly!
When the left would do this, we called it "Floating a balloon". But I think the Patriot base passed the Balloon stage long ago.
This appears to be more of a "Tip of the Hand" so to speak. A signal, if you will.

Like I said, Presidents don't talk of over throwing Govt lightly, if ever. This statement is precedent setting!
One can't help but think something is already underway!

Im honestly surprised the MSM isnt screaming TREASON right now over him saying it. Somethings up...
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 08:36:18 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 08:34:38 AMIm honestly surprised the MSM isnt screaming TREASON right now over him saying it. Somethings up...
Exactly!!!!
This is fucking Huge! And all we get is crickets across the board!
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 08:37:41 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 04, 2022, 08:22:10 AMI'm guessing the first step will be with the SC. If the election is declared a fraud the democrat party will have very little power nationally, and not much more in the states. If they declare a new election, how would the fraud be taken out of the mail in ballots? 

They would also have to declare things like mail in voteing illegal and enforce same day voting and counting in the same ruling. Or rule that the military has to run it.

I still think the states will decertify their electors at some point, forcing either the SC or the House to act. This is especially true if LAKE pulls off a win, but she seems to be losing steam so Im not sure she will get herself in.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 04, 2022, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 08:33:18 AMI guess I meant AFTER we cleaned up the elections. But youre right, redoing a bad election will still be bad.
What would be wrong if the SC declared there needs to be a redo, that they would not set new rules for it? One ID, one vote for starters.  Sure would save time and get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 08:43:45 AM
Folks, just so you know, not all of your followers know what SC stands for, so please, use the full acronym SCOTUS.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 04, 2022, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 04, 2022, 08:40:49 AMWhat would be wrong if the SC declared there needs to be a redo, that they would not set new rules for it? One ID, one vote for starters.  Sure would save time and get the ball rolling.

Yes that would be great if SCOTUS would declare a redo and set the rules for it. I just dont hold up hope for the legal system to fix this since every other judge seems to be bought and paid for at every level of the court system.

Like it seems to me that both the courts and elections have failed to fix this, thus the need for more options.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 04, 2022, 08:52:42 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 08:43:45 AMFolks, just so you know, not all of your followers know what SC stands for, so please, use the full acronym SCOTUS.
:thumbup:  :thumbup: 
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 04, 2022, 08:52:42 AM:thumbup:  :thumbup: 
Thanks guys. :cool:
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Billy's bayonet on December 04, 2022, 09:13:41 AM
The Constitution has already been terminated, ironically by the massive vote fraud operation we saw in 2020. We just got another lesson in voter fraud last month, especially the slight of hand in Arizona and that idiocy in Pennsylvania it was a harbinger of things to come in 2024.

So a re do of the vote at this point would be a red-do of the cheat, fraud, media lies & cover ups.

What you must understand about criminals is they develop an M.O. (modus operandi) if it works they usually stay with it
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 04, 2022, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 04, 2022, 09:13:41 AMThe Constitution has already been terminated, ironically by the massive vote fraud operation we saw in 2020. We just got another lesson in voter fraud last month, especially the slight of hand in Arizona and that idiocy in Pennsylvania it was a harbinger of things to come in 2024.

So a re do of the vote at this point would be a red-do of the cheat, fraud, media lies & cover ups.

What you must understand about criminals is they develop an M.O. (modus operandi) if it works they usually stay with it
This is all new territory, if the SCOTUS were to rule that a redo is necessary, that would be the time to lay down new rules to eliminate the cheating. 
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 04, 2022, 01:07:35 PM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 04, 2022, 09:13:41 AMThe Constitution has already been terminated, ironically by the massive vote fraud operation we saw in 2020. We just got another lesson in voter fraud last month, especially the slight of hand in Arizona and that idiocy in Pennsylvania it was a harbinger of things to come in 2024.

So a re do of the vote at this point would be a red-do of the cheat, fraud, media lies & cover ups.

What you must understand about criminals is they develop an M.O. (modus operandi) if it works they usually stay with it
Yep, which leaves but one option. Start fresh with a new Govt and the original 10 Amendments.
Which in hindsight, were a Brilliant Addition to the constitution! :thumbup:
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 05, 2022, 06:06:49 AM
Anyone else notice how the GOP is all over the left election theft?
Yeah, me either!
:sneaky:  :sneaky:  :sneaky:




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Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 05, 2022, 06:51:28 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2022, 06:06:49 AMAnyone else notice how the GOP is all over the left election theft?
Yeah, me either!
:sneaky:  :sneaky:  :sneaky:




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A couple of months ago Biden made the statement that his government would do everything in its power to make sure Trump could not legally run or take power. The silence coming from the republicans tells me they are in on it. For all the Trump haters out there, do not believe it would stop here, if the left is successful keeping Trump out, you will never choose your president again.

Found the quote.

QuoteWe have to demonstrate that he will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, become the next president again."— Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. 


https://drrichswier.com/2022/11/11/it-begins-biden-says-hell-use-constitution-to-make-sure-trump-will-never-be-president-again/
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 05, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 05, 2022, 06:51:28 AMA couple of months ago Biden made the statement that his government would do everything in its power to make sure Trump could not legally run or take power. The silence coming from the republicans tells me they are in on it. For all the Trump haters out there, do not believe it would stop here, if the left is successful keeping Trump out, you will never choose your president again.

Found the quote.


https://drrichswier.com/2022/11/11/it-begins-biden-says-hell-use-constitution-to-make-sure-trump-will-never-be-president-again/
Amazing!!!
So Biteme thinks he, personally, has the power to amend the Constitution? :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

That's something only a dictator would say. :sneaky:
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 05, 2022, 07:58:48 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2022, 07:31:01 AMAmazing!!!
So Biteme thinks he, personally, has the power to amend the Constitution? :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

That's something only a dictator would say. :sneaky:
it doesn't help that the republicans remain silent.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 05, 2022, 08:01:52 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 05, 2022, 07:58:48 AMit doesn't help that the republicans remain silent.
:biggrin:
They think we don't know they conspired against Trump with the help of the DNC.
But they know everyone is about to find out, so they're pretty much in panic mode trying to figure out how best to deal with their impending demise. :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 05, 2022, 09:37:18 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2022, 08:01:52 AM:biggrin:
They think we don't know they conspired against Trump with the help of the DNC.
But they know everyone is about to find out, so they're pretty much in panic mode trying to figure out how best to deal with their impending demise. :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

Story of their life ever since trump came into the picture.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 05, 2022, 10:41:02 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on December 05, 2022, 09:37:18 AMStory of their life ever since trump came into the picture.
It's amazing how he personally woke the world to the real threat, an NWO.
But for people to finally find out we've been telling the truth for years, that the GOP is nothing more than an extension of the DNC, or vice versa, is pretty amazing when you think bout it. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 05, 2022, 03:28:48 PM
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Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 06, 2022, 02:39:35 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2022, 07:31:01 AMAmazing!!!
So Biteme thinks he, personally, has the power to amend the Constitution? :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

That's something only a dictator would say. :sneaky:
I think this might be what Biden is talking about. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/12/06/january-6th-committee-announces-criminal-referrals-and-donald-trump-is-in-trouble-n669722

QuoteA revival of New York State's criminal case against Trump also happened in the last month. Again, none of these things are happening separately from one another. It's all part of a slow-moving operation to take down the former president once and for all. The January 6th committee is mostly theater, but the DOJ is playing off that theater to build its case and turn public opinion.

There's only one outcome here: Donald Trump is going to be indicted.

And while I've often said that would be stupid as a matter of law, at the end of the day, nothing I or anyone else has to say really matters. The DOJ is hellbent on finishing what it started way back in 2016, and no amount of calling them corrupt is going to change that.

That leads me to my last point. A lot of people on the right, myself included, have begun the debate on who should be the Republican nominee in 2024. The typical points of tension revolve around whether Donald Trump has what it takes to put together a winning coalition. But amidst the various factions yelling at each other about matchup hypotheticals, the elephant in the room is being ignored: Donald Trump is going to be indicted, and there is no chance a DC jury doesn't convict him of whatever the DOJ puts in front of them.

The only question left in my mind is whether the government officials behind that drive are going to time things so that Trump is already the nominee when he's indicted, essentially leaving Republicans without a candidate for the 2024 election. The trap is being baited, and that's going to leave some tough decisions ahead for the GOP.

Don't know if I agree with the author. I do agree there will be an indictment and if the trial is in D.C, there will be a conviction. But I have felt the indictment will come from the raid on Trump's home, not the Jan.6th pony show, the DOJ has blown it on finding any evidence in that raid, but lack of facts has never stopped them before, they are at a point in order to justify their raid, they will need to indict. Another point I disagree with the author, if they wait until Trump wins the nomination to indict, that will only give them a couple of months to go to trial and get a conviction before the election, I'm sure any lawyer can delay trial for longer. I hope the public realizes that Biden has been in on it from the beginning, that he has forewarned it was coming, so there is no reason to believe his bull sh-t when he claims he knew nothing.  This is why the election needs to be overturned and a new one now!
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: yrunvs on December 06, 2022, 03:02:46 PM
Quote from: Possum on December 06, 2022, 02:39:35 PMI think this might be what Biden is talking about. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/12/06/january-6th-committee-announces-criminal-referrals-and-donald-trump-is-in-trouble-n669722

Don't know if I agree with the author. I do agree there will be an indictment and if the trial is in D.C, there will be a conviction. But I have felt the indictment will come from the raid on Trump's home, not the Jan.6th pony show, the DOJ has blown it on finding any evidence in that raid, but lack of facts has never stopped them before, they are at a point in order to justify their raid, they will need to indict. Another point I disagree with the author, if they wait until Trump wins the nomination to indict, that will only give them a couple of months to go to trial and get a conviction before the election, I'm sure any lawyer can delay trial for longer. I hope the public realizes that Biden has been in on it from the beginning, that he has forewarned it was coming, so there is no reason to believe his bull sh-t when he claims he knew nothing.  This is why the election needs to be overturned and a new one now!


Yea, don't think for one damn second that the left will let any Conservative run for the presidency without their DOJ hunting him down and ruining him.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 06, 2022, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Possum on December 06, 2022, 02:39:35 PMI think this might be what Biden is talking about. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/12/06/january-6th-committee-announces-criminal-referrals-and-donald-trump-is-in-trouble-n669722

Don't know if I agree with the author. I do agree there will be an indictment and if the trial is in D.C, there will be a conviction. But I have felt the indictment will come from the raid on Trump's home, not the Jan.6th pony show, the DOJ has blown it on finding any evidence in that raid, but lack of facts has never stopped them before, they are at a point in order to justify their raid, they will need to indict. Another point I disagree with the author, if they wait until Trump wins the nomination to indict, that will only give them a couple of months to go to trial and get a conviction before the election, I'm sure any lawyer can delay trial for longer. I hope the public realizes that Biden has been in on it from the beginning, that he has forewarned it was coming, so there is no reason to believe his bull sh-t when he claims he knew nothing.  This is why the election needs to be overturned and a new one now!

Redstate is and has been going off the deep end for awhile now. I would parse this, but honestly, I think the author is full of shit.
He gives way too much credit to the way things have always been. Times have changed, and this kind of stunt very well could lead to a Convention of States.

There won't be a 2024 Trump run, elections no longer matter. He'll be back in office next year. If not, we've lost our Nation as it falls into an anarchist rebellion, and we can't have that.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: yrunvs on December 06, 2022, 08:02:49 PM
As the voting affairs stand right now Trump has no chance to win in 2024 I know it you know it and Trump knows it. Then why does he continue to talk about the 2024 elections? He's raising tons of money, I send my share, but why is he? Everybody knows the system is rigged so why keep trying? Why does he expose himself to all the bullshit when he knows under the current voting system he can't win? The only answer I can come up with is that he knows something that we don't and it's a game changer. Something that has'nt seen the light of day yet.
I suppose it's possible he's just going with the flow and and hoping patriots straighten out the voting debacle before 2024.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 01:51:56 AM
Quote from: yrunvs on December 06, 2022, 08:02:49 PMAs the voting affairs stand right now Trump has no chance to win in 2024 I know it you know it and Trump knows it. Then why does he continue to talk about the 2024 elections? He's raising tons of money, I send my share, but why is he? Everybody knows the system is rigged so why keep trying? Why does he expose himself to all the bullshit when he knows under the current voting system he can't win? The only answer I can come up with is that he knows something that we don't and it's a game changer. Something that has'nt seen the light of day yet.
I suppose it's possible he's just going with the flow and and hoping patriots straighten out the voting debacle before 2024.

He told us the answer in his speech a few weeks ago. Not enough people are awake yet and know the election is rigged so we need an even more obvious example, 2024. Trump is gonna be even more popular than he has ever been and the cheating will be more obvious than anyone can ignore.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 06, 2022, 02:39:35 PMI think this might be what Biden is talking about. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/12/06/january-6th-committee-announces-criminal-referrals-and-donald-trump-is-in-trouble-n669722

Don't know if I agree with the author. I do agree there will be an indictment and if the trial is in D.C, there will be a conviction. But I have felt the indictment will come from the raid on Trump's home, not the Jan.6th pony show, the DOJ has blown it on finding any evidence in that raid, but lack of facts has never stopped them before, they are at a point in order to justify their raid, they will need to indict. Another point I disagree with the author, if they wait until Trump wins the nomination to indict, that will only give them a couple of months to go to trial and get a conviction before the election, I'm sure any lawyer can delay trial for longer. I hope the public realizes that Biden has been in on it from the beginning, that he has forewarned it was coming, so there is no reason to believe his bull sh-t when he claims he knew nothing.  This is why the election needs to be overturned and a new one now!


This guy sounds like he is coming up with yet another excuse to dump trump.

If they arrest trump, even without any conviction, the american people are gonna go nutz and people are gonna start calling for the military to step in. It would be an amazing thing to see and I would laugh if they actually do it since it would be so horrible for them. Heck that may be trumps plan.

The left fails to realize that simply seizing power doesnt cut it in america. Here you need the hearts and minds of We the People. Thats were the real power lies, unlike in all the 3rd world revolutions they have succeeded in. America is different and trump knows real power lies with the will of the people.

As Q said, only at the precipice will people find the will to change.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Billy's bayonet on December 07, 2022, 05:08:07 AM
Unless we can rig the elections....out cheat the cheaters
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 07, 2022, 05:14:42 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 07, 2022, 05:08:07 AMUnless we can rig the elections....out cheat the cheaters
Granted, it's not the Conservative way, but if you keep playing Poker with a group of cheaters year after year, only to lose your life savings.
You either cheat better, or fuckin kill them all and end the idiocy.

I say fuckin kill off the Marxists :biggrin: .
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 07, 2022, 05:59:26 AM
Quote from: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 01:57:12 AMThis guy sounds like he is coming up with yet another excuse to dump trump.

If they arrest trump, even without any conviction,
the american people are gonna go nutz and people are gonna start calling for the military to step in. It would be an amazing thing to see and I would laugh if they actually do it since it would be so horrible for them. Heck that may be trumps plan.

The left fails to realize that simply seizing power doesnt cut it in america. Here you need the hearts and minds of We the People. Thats were the real power lies, unlike in all the 3rd world revolutions they have succeeded in. America is different and trump knows real power lies with the will of the people.

As Q said, only at the precipice will people find the will to change.
If there was a trial in D.C., do you see Trump getting a fair jury? I don't. This could be what sets off the civil war.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Possum on December 07, 2022, 06:34:08 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 06, 2022, 07:01:53 PMRedstate is and has been going off the deep end for awhile now. I would parse this, but honestly, I think the author is full of shit.
He gives way too much credit to the way things have always been. Times have changed, and this kind of stunt very well could lead to a Convention of States.

There won't be a 2024 Trump run, elections no longer matter. He'll be back in office next year. If not, we've lost our Nation as it falls into an anarchist rebellion, and we can't have that.
I know what you mean about Redstate, hate to see it, at one time it was a good place to go. American Thinker is another one. The author's dates won't work the way he is portraying. I don't doubt that democrats have discussed this, and I bet the FBI is looking for a way, but I do not think they have what it takes to pull it off. The fact that it is even being written about shows how far down the toilet the left is. 
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 07:46:19 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 07, 2022, 05:59:26 AMIf there was a trial in D.C., do you see Trump getting a fair jury? I don't. This could be what sets off the civil war.

Exactly, thats the point. Yes if he is arrested he will surely be indicted but it wont get that far because the people will rise up and put trump back into power. You cant have a civil war when 90% of the country is all on one side, the side of america. We will have dem riots in the cities for sure, but that all the civil war will be. And that wont be until after the people put trump back in.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 07, 2022, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: Possum on December 07, 2022, 06:34:08 AMI know what you mean about Redstate, hate to see it, at one time it was a good place to go. American Thinker is another one. The author's dates won't work the way he is portraying. I don't doubt that democrats have discussed this, and I bet the FBI is looking for a way, but I do not think they have what it takes to pull it off. The fact that it is even being written about shows how far down the toilet the left is.
Sadly Gateway and Breitbart too. They have become the Jerry Springer of internet news on the Right. They seem to post anything, as long as it get clicks. True, false or Tabloid bull shit, they fill half their site with bull shit.
I can't count how many times I chastised the shit out of all of them in the last couple of years.

I dumped Townhall years ago for promoting leftist authors.
Title: Re: Trump Is Giving Us A Choice, New Elections, Or A New Govt
Post by: Solar on December 07, 2022, 09:37:42 AM
Steve Deace posted this excellent analogy!




Steve Deace
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4h
So you're either Napoleon (Trump) who emerges from the victorious revolution, or Julius Caesar (DeSantis) whom they have to give the key to the city to because they know you can (and have) saved it. No other option IMO. This has been my Ted Talk.