Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
I have to disagree with you, there, but my beliefs do not require you to believe what I believe.

So are you suggesting we all revert to tribes and local barter? I'm interested in what you consider order and how you plan to achieve it absent law and order.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
I have to disagree with you, there, but my beliefs do not require you to believe what I believe.

Our Constitution, upheld by the mean old government, agrees with you.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:03:36 PM
No I do not need a shoulder to cry on. The plan is anarchy. We stop believing that this small group of people that we call government has any control over us, and as soon as that happens, we will not be bound by any laws. And that brings up a question, what is a law? A law is a threat, it is a statement made by the government saying that all of the people who live in the US will follow these rules and if they don't we will cage them. When it comes down to it, people are better able to decide what is best for them instead of some goons 300 miles away. We don't need the police and military, we don't need laws to know right from wrong, and we don't need tax collectors sealing from us without our consent. These are just very general statements I am making, I can explain in more detail later.

Let's start with one specific. Government ACHIEVES its results by threat of force. It sometimes carries out that threat, either through National Guard or civilian police departments responding to specific events. To achieve those results, the use of weapons are involved, and since 2001 these same departments have militarized their own weapons to meet the continued threats from within.

Think deeply. How ya gonna round up your own army if government knows who you are and where to grab your gun? How are you anarchists going to outgun those who most want to remain in power?

Be specific. How?

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
Chicago is messed up because of government, no place is naturally like that.

I see you don't get around much. 
Seattle Wa.
Portland Or.
San Francisco Cal. 
Washington D.C. 

Quote from: walkstall on July 09, 2017, 03:28:19 PM
I see you don't get around much. 
Seattle Wa.
Portland Or.
San Francisco Cal. 
Washington D.C.

Modesto, Stockton, Oakland, Freemont, Compton, Detroit, or just name any liberal hub.

Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:31:23 PM
Modesto, Stockton, Oakland, Freemont, Compton, Detroit, or just name any liberal hub.

If the state have a Dem governor their in deep shit.

                     
                           Round 2!

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:43:36 PM
Your views of the world are a projection of your consciousness... You have a very low view of humanity.

I am not going to get heavily involved with this thread as Walks, Solar and Taxed are handling it just fine. However, after reading some of your posts I though that one highlighted sentence sums up where you are. We do not have a low view of all humanity, but we have a realistic view of it. There are evil people all around us and day to day survival depends upon identifying them and taking steps not to be harmed by them. Your fantasy world does not exist or ever will.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 10, 2017, 04:35:18 AM
I am not going to get heavily involved with this thread as Walks, Solar and Taxed are handling it just fine. However, after reading some of your posts I though that one highlighted sentence sums up where you are. We do not have a low view of all humanity, but we have a realistic view of it. There are evil people all around us and day to day survival depends upon identifying them and taking steps not to be harmed by them. Your fantasy world does not exist or ever will.

Yep, it took the world multiple millennia' just to get this far.

That's why I said he needs to get out of his suburbanite bubble and discover the world around him.
One thing I learned traveling the world, is that human nature never changes, it's natural in the system of barter to not be taken, or take advantage of and get the most bang for your buck, that using intimidation without following through with threat, only because society follows certain rules backed up with a threat of retaliation from some form of govt.

Remove that govt and there is nothing to stop the formation of gangs and taking the place of govt, as in mob rule/Democracy, where the majority, or rather mob, empower themselves through numbers to combat resistance.
He's under the illusion these mobs will do the right thing.

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2017, 06:45:47 AM
Yep, it took the world multiple millennia' just to get this far.

That's why I said he needs to get out of his suburbanite bubble and discover the world around him.
One thing I learned traveling the world, is that human nature never changes, it's natural in the system of barter to not be taken, or take advantage of and get the most bang for your buck, that using intimidation without following through with threat, only because society follows certain rules backed up with a threat of retaliation from some form of govt.

Remove that govt and there is nothing to stop the formation of gangs and taking the place of govt, as in mob rule/Democracy, where the majority, or rather mob, empower themselves through numbers to combat resistance.
He's under the illusion these mobs will do the right thing.

Just a couple of examples in our country is south Chicago and parts of New Orleans.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 10, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Just a couple of examples in our country is south Chicago and parts of New Orleans.

Perfect example during the flood, and they still had a functioning govt in place..

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 10, 2017, 07:55:23 AM
Just a couple of examples in our country is south Chicago and parts of New Orleans.

This is just part of why his Utopia will not work and this is just the U.S.

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The most commonly cited statistic is that are about 2.3 million inmates on any given day. This statistic comes from a survey conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), a division of the U.S. Department of Justice, which found that on June 30, 2009, the United States housed 203,233 Federal prisoners, 1,326,547 State prisoners, and 767,620 detainees in local jails.

In addition, it is estimated that more than 80,000 youth are held in juvenile detention facilities on any given day. Before being deported, about 400,000 people a year pass through our Nation's immigration detention system, which is run principally by the Department of Homeland Security. BJS also estimates that during a year's time 12-13 million people are processed through the approximately 3,100 jail facilities throughout the Nation.

Finally, the Bureau of Indian Affairs oversees jails in Indian Country, and the Department of Defense has its own network of more than sixty detention facilities all over the globe. Hundreds of thousands more individuals are also housed in halfway houses and police lockups; no one knows the exact number.

more @
https://members.aja.org/About/StatisticsOfNote.aspx

To be quite honest, I don't. I don't think he stands for our values. I think he's trying to scam the GOP. He's not like Reagan who really cared and wanted to make changes. George W. Bush was kind of a disappointment but I at least trusted him. I'd be ok with Pence as our President. But Donald Trump is not a real Republican.

Quote from: Sandra2020 on July 15, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
To be quite honest, I don't. I don't think he stands for our values. I think he's trying to scam the GOP. He's not like Reagan who really cared and wanted to make changes. George W. Bush was kind of a disappointment but I at least trusted him. I'd be ok with Pence as our President. But Donald Trump is not a real Republican.

What's funny, is he's an admitted lib, yet he's still far Right of most of the gop'E.

Quote from: Sandra2020 on July 15, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
To be quite honest, I don't. I don't think he stands for our values. I think he's trying to scam the GOP. He's not like Reagan who really cared and wanted to make changes. George W. Bush was kind of a disappointment but I at least trusted him. I'd be ok with Pence as our President. But Donald Trump is not a real Republican.

Please. Do not try to combine conservatives and republicans into the same thing. They are not. There is not a dime's worth of difference between democrats and GOPe. This has been proven by the TEA movement since 2009. Fortunately, we have been successful in adding conservatives in the house, but the senate is still overrun by RINO's.