Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:52:12 PM
Negan=Government

I'm sure you're a sweet boy.  Just be sure to turn off your corporate-made Macbook Pro after you're done posting.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
You are saying that one possible outcome of anarchy is that we end up back where we are right now. That does not sound like a terrible thing to me.

If that's the case, then why are you endorsing anarchy, why not have faith in your fellow man in helping him correct the problem rather than destroy it in total?

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:54:12 PM
And since you are obviously stuck in your ways and are unwilling to open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong, what is your plan? I am open minded and will give you a courtesy that you did not give me.

I'm older than you and have thought about this a million times.  It's part of getting older and gaining experience as to how things work and how people behave, hence why I encourage you to learn through this.

Once you get to a position where you're not young and strong, and you have things, savings, property, etc., you'll see the world from a different perspective.

Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
If that's the case, then why are you endorsing anarchy, why not have faith in your fellow man in helping him correct the problem rather than destroy it in total?

If government is the problem as you just stated, no matter what you do to it, government is still government, and will always be a problem until it does not exist. And to answer your question, humanity has been trying to create the ideal society for thousands of years, and it still has not happened. And the reason America is so great, is because it is the biggest step in the right direction. That is why it is the best place right now but why settle? Why should I accept something that is not the best it could be?

Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 02:56:28 PM
I'm older than you and have thought about this a million times.  It's part of getting older and gaining experience as to how things work and how people behave, hence why I encourage you to learn through this.

Once you get to a position where you're not young and strong, and you have things, savings, property, etc., you'll see the world from a different perspective.

Then help me learn. What is your ideal society then? I want to hear your ideas.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:00:55 PM
Then help me learn. What is your ideal society then? I want to hear your ideas.

There is no ideal society, but I think we have the best one around.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:54:12 PM
And since you are obviously stuck in your ways and are unwilling to open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong, what is your plan? I am open minded and will give you a courtesy that you did not give me.

Look, we get it, we hate what's become of our govt, each and every one of us wishes we could snap our fingers and make all the bad go away.
Hell, most of us would love to strap all the Marxist RINO to a rocket and set it off, but more than likely they'd enjoy it.
So we do what is necessary and see that they don't get reelected.
But one thing is certain, we're not quite yet at the point of anarchy, no, first we'll follow the laws before us and remove the govt in power, but most apparently wanted to give Trump a shot first, not this forum, but the majority that voted, so we're all willing to give him a shot, because that's what the law says.

Yes, we all wish we weren't in the mess we're in, but most of us like order so anarchism is out of the question, that is, until the day the govt turns its guns on the populace, then all bets are off.
Just think if the kids at Tiananmen square had the Second Amendment.

Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
Look, we get it, we hate what's become of our govt, each and every one of us wishes we could snap our fingers and make all the bad go away.
Hell, most of us would love to strap all the Marxist RINO to a rocket and set it off, but more than likely they'd enjoy it.

We are making progress... http://www.mars-one.com/

Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
Look, we get it, we hate what's become of our govt, each and every one of us wishes we could snap our fingers and make all the bad go away.
Hell, most of us would love to strap all the Marxist RINO to a rocket and set it off, but more than likely they'd enjoy it.
So we do what is necessary and see that they don't get reelected.
But one thing is certain, we're not quite yet at the point of anarchy, no, first we'll follow the laws before us and remove the govt in power, but most apparently wanted to give Trump a shot first, not this forum, but the majority that voted, so we're all willing to give him a shot, because that's what the law says.

Yes, we all wish we weren't in the mess we're in, but most of us like order so anarchism is out of the question, that is, until the day the govt turns its guns on the populace, then all bets are off.
Just think if the kids at Tiananmen square had the Second Amendment.

Activism and voting does not work, look at Colorado and the legalization of marijuana. They voted to have it legalized, but the federal government still raids houses and steals peoples things there.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 02:58:35 PM
If government is the problem as you just stated, no matter what you do to it, government is still government, and will always be a problem until it does not exist. And to answer your question, humanity has been trying to create the ideal society for thousands of years, and it still has not happened. And the reason America is so great, is because it is the biggest step in the right direction. That is why it is the best place right now but why settle? Why should I accept something that is not the best it could be?

That's my point, there is no Utopia, never was and never will be as long as man is in charge.
It's sad that we require govt when you think about it, the trick is to not let it get oppressive, which is, in essence, what you advocate, law of the jungle, where might makes right, where you oppress others for your so called freedoms.

Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2017, 03:08:16 PM
That's my point, there is no Utopia, never was and never will be as long as man is in charge.
It's sad that we require govt when you think about it, the trick is to not let it get oppressive, which is, in essence, what you advocate, law of the jungle, where might makes right, where you oppress others for your so called freedoms.

It is not a right if you have to oppress others to get or maintain it.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:08:08 PM
Activism and voting does not work, look at Colorado and the legalization of marijuana. They voted to have it legalized, but the federal government still raids houses and steals peoples things there.

Government is the problem, but we need some.  In our society, things aren't perfect.  In our justice system, some innocent people are wrongly convicted.  Some guilty go free.  There are cops who are bad apples, but we have many who are not and do want to keep order in their cities and areas.  Some laws are too lenient, and others are too harsh.  On and on, I would rather have the fight at the election booth rather than having to hunker down non-stop in a state of constant defense.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:10:10 PM
It is not a right if you have to oppress others to get or maintain it.

Who is being oppressed?  How?

Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2017, 03:11:58 PM
Government is the problem, but we need some.  In our society, things aren't perfect.  In our justice system, some innocent people are wrongly convicted.  Some guilty go free.  There are cops who are bad apples, but we have many who are not and do want to keep order in their cities and areas.  Some laws are too lenient, and others are too harsh.  On and on, I would rather have the fight at the election booth rather than having to hunker down non-stop in a state of constant defense.

I have to disagree with you, there, but my beliefs do not require you to believe what I believe.

Quote from: Jschrades on July 09, 2017, 03:10:10 PM
It is not a right if you have to oppress others to get or maintain it.

That's all anarchy is, a lack of law and order, where every man makes his own rules for survival.
And yes, where laws do not exist, you have a Right to life, whatever it takes to survive, and if that means oppressing others, so be it, but just remember, they have the same Right to life, and taking yours may be necessary.