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Title: Train Derailments
Post by: keyboarder on February 16, 2015, 05:36:18 PM
Reuters is havinng issues lately, so I'll post the entire article for you.

CSX train hauling North Dakota oil derails, cars ablaze in West Virginia
BY KARA VAN PELT
BECKLEY, W.Va. Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:21pm EST
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(Reuters) - A CSX Corp train hauling North Dakota crude derailed in West Virginia on Monday, setting a number of cars ablaze, destroying a house and forcing the evacuation of two towns in the second significant oil-train incident in three days.

One or two of the cars plunged into the Kanawha River, and "a couple are burning," said Robert Jelacic, night shift manager of the West Virginia Department of Homeland Security and Emergency Management. There were no injuries or deaths, he said.

CSX said the train was hauling 109 cars from North Dakota to the coastal town of Yorktown, Virginia, where midstream firm Plains All American Pipelines runs an oil depot. It said one person was being treated for potential fume inhalation.

West Virginia State Police First Sergeant Greg Duckworth, who was at the crash site, told Reuters that nine or 10 of the cars had exploded at intervals of about every half hour. A similar sequence has occurred in a handful of other derailments over the past year and a half, with the fire from one tank heating up gases in the next nearest car, causing it to ignite.

"It's a real mess down here," Duckworth said. He said all but 14 of the cars on the train had been pulled out of harm's way.

A 1-mile-wide area around the incident was being evacuated after a house caught fire because of the accident, Lawrence Messina, spokesman for the West Virginia Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety, told Reuters.

Heavy snow and frigid temperatures were hindering efforts to deal with the incident, Jelacic said.

West Virginia Governor Earl Ray Tomblin issued a state of emergency for Kanawha and Fayette counties after the derailment.

The train derailed at 1:20 p.m. EST about 33 miles (54 km) southeast of Charleston, the state capital, according to Fayette County 911 Coordinator James Bennett.

The derailment occurred less than 200 miles (320 km) west of Lynchburg, Virginia, where another CSX train also bound for the Plains terminal in Yorktown derailed and erupted last April. Plains did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Local websites showed images of flames at times twice the height of nearby trees and a thick plume of black smoke near a partly frozen river, with a number of houses nearby.

RAIL SAFETY CONCERNS

The latest incident came just two days after a Canadian National Railways train from Alberta's oil sands derailed in a wooded area of northern Ontario. CN said 29 of 100 cars were involved and seven caught fire. No injuries were reported, but the cars were still on fire on Monday.

A boom in oil shipments by rail and a spate of derailments across North America have put heightened focus on rail safety. In 2013, 47 people were killed in the Quebec town of Lac-Mégantic after a train carrying crude oil derailed and exploded.

The latest incidents will likely refocus attention on U.S. and Canadian regulators' efforts to improve the safety of such shipments, which have spurred concerns over both the flammability of very light oil from the North Dakota Bakken shale as well as the flawed design of older tank cars.

The U.S. Transportation Department has submitted a proposal to the White House to require adding an extra 1/8th inch of steel to most existing oil train tank shells, while new models would have the thicker hull installed on the factory floor.

It was unclear what kind of tank cars were involved in the derailment on Monday.

(Reporting by Kara Van Pelt in Beckley, W.Va. and Jonathan Leff in New York; Editing by Chris Reese, Tom Brown and Peter Cooney)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/17/us-usa-train-derailment-csx-idUSKBN0LK1ST20150217 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/17/us-usa-train-derailment-csx-idUSKBN0LK1ST20150217)
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: redbeard on February 16, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
your link is no good
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: keyboarder on February 16, 2015, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: redbeard on February 16, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
your link is no good

Mine very often aren't.  I'll ask the mod to remove it.  thanx
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: walkstall on February 16, 2015, 06:10:31 PM
Quote from: redbeard on February 16, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
your link is no good

Give this a shot.  It's about the same thing.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article10488272.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article10488272.html)

Raw: Large Flames Near WV Train Derailment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keDtSyaagxg#ws)
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: mdgiles on February 16, 2015, 06:50:38 PM
Don't we have pipelines to avoid this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: Bowhntr on February 16, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on February 16, 2015, 06:50:38 PM
Don't we have pipelines to avoid this sort of thing.

No...Obama says they are dangerous :blink:
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: walkstall on February 16, 2015, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on February 16, 2015, 06:50:38 PM
Don't we have pipelines to avoid this sort of thing.

Yes they do, the libs say it will mess up the environment if we add more.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kit saginaw on February 16, 2015, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: mdgiles on February 16, 2015, 06:50:38 PM
Don't we have pipelines to avoid this sort of thing.

I don't want to put words in keyboarder's keyboard, but my impression was that she posted it to demonstrate if we'd built the Keystone-pipeline, we'd reduce rail-transit of oil.  Thus reducing oil-related accidents.

And there's usually something funny going-on with CFX, relating to Warren Buffet and rail-stocks in general. 

He already owns (majority shares) Burlington Northern Santa Fe, Union Pacific, and Norfolk Southern.  -This, from 2009:

http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/trade_trucks_trains/2009/11/csx_is_only_major_railroads_without_buffet_stakes.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/trade_trucks_trains/2009/11/csx_is_only_major_railroads_without_buffet_stakes.html)

What a profitable coincidence that CSX is the culprit in the derailments.  Similar to the coincidence that has him fighting against the Keystone-pipeline's construction, alongside the Administration.

"The rail business is actually in tune with the future," Buffett said. "Trains move goods using far less fuel than alternatives."

   
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: Darth Fife on February 16, 2015, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: kit saginaw on February 16, 2015, 07:28:25 PM
I don't want to put words in keyboarder's keyboard, but my impression was that she posted it to demonstrate if we'd built the Keystone-pipeline, we'd reduce rail-transit of oil.  Thus reducing oil-related accidents.

And there's usually something funny going-on with CFX, relating to Warren Buffet and rail-stocks in general. 

He already owns (majority shares) Burlington Northern Santa Fe, Union Pacific, and Norfolk Southern.  -This, from 2009:

http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/trade_trucks_trains/2009/11/csx_is_only_major_railroads_without_buffet_stakes.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/trade_trucks_trains/2009/11/csx_is_only_major_railroads_without_buffet_stakes.html)

What a profitable coincidence that CSX is the culprit in the derailments.  Similar to the coincidence that has him fighting against the Keystone-pipeline's construction, alongside the Administration.

"The rail business is actually in tune with the future," Buffett said. "Trains move goods using far less fuel than alternatives."



Just for the record - it's C S X. It is an abbreviation of Chessie System Transportation.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kit saginaw on February 17, 2015, 04:53:57 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on February 16, 2015, 07:42:31 PM
Just for the record - it's C S X. It is an abbreviation of Chessie System Transportation.

Danke...  I nailed 1-out-of-2 at least.

Aww, gee...  Look at NYSE's opening price for CSX, 90-minutes from now: 36.08... down .49 from Friday.  The markets were closed yesterday, for Presidents Day.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kit saginaw on February 18, 2015, 09:37:13 PM
The price-per-share is now down to 35.39, actually climbing 10-cents from 3 PM.

I know nobody cares, but this is Buffet's worldKnow the enemy... even though the irony is that he's a capitalist too.  But the objective is to relieve Dems of their money, pennies-at-a-time.  That goes for Steyer, GE, Soros/Petroleum Brazil, etc.

Buffet has a magic-number for CSX's price, to do whatever he does...  I'd set my magic-number at around 34-and-a-half bucks, hoping it's higher than his (doing some research, of course), then buy and sit on it. 

On to the next bet.  The market's waiting for President Big-Mouth to veto Keystone.  It's been sitting on his desk for a week now.  -Proving he's a spineless windbag.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: Solar on February 19, 2015, 05:31:09 AM
Quote from: kit saginaw on February 18, 2015, 09:37:13 PM
The price-per-share is now down to 35.39, actually climbing 10-cents from 3 PM.

I know nobody cares, but this is Buffet's worldKnow the enemy... even though the irony is that he's a capitalist too.  But the objective is to relieve Dems of their money, pennies-at-a-time.  That goes for Steyer, GE, Soros/Petroleum Brazil, etc.

Buffet has a magic-number for CSX's price, to do whatever he does...  I'd set my magic-number at around 34-and-a-half bucks, hoping it's higher than his (doing some research, of course), then buy and sit on it. 

On to the next bet.  The market's waiting for President Big-Mouth to veto Keystone.  It's been sitting on his desk for a week now.  -Proving he's a spineless windbag.
I do, I love it when these ass holes lose money playing monopoly with our tax dollars.
Nothing I'd love more than to bait all of them into investing in a govt scheme such as rail, solar, or some other corporate teat, then yank the floor out from under them.
These people have been manipulating the mkt for decades with the assistance of the govt via crony corporatism connections, buying candidates for office and destroying the nation.

A bullet to the head for all of them would be akin to removing a gangrenous limb.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: TboneAgain on February 19, 2015, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: Darth Fife on February 16, 2015, 07:42:31 PM
Just for the record - it's C S X. It is an abbreviation of Chessie System Transportation.
Well, no, it's not. The 'C' does stand for Chessie (the old Chessie System, formed when the Chesapeake & Ohio railroad merged with the Baltimore & Ohio and Western Maryland railroads way back in 1973). The 'S' stands for Seaboard System Railroad, with which Chessie merged in 1986 to form CSX. And the 'X' stands for the same thing as the 'S' in Harry S. Truman -- nothing. It was just a letter the lawyers picked when other 'third' letters they wanted made combinations that were already in use.

Thus endeth the nitpick.  :tounge: Actually, I'll beg your pardon because railroad history is a sort of hobby of mine. In fact, my grandfather worked as a conductor on B&O trains for years. The "old home place" used to be called Gephart's Station, and when I was a kid there was a railroad track and a siding literally in the front yard of my grandparents' house, where my mom and my sister's family live today. Do you know what 'railroad money' is? Put a penny or a nickel on a rail before a train comes through. If you can find it after the train's passed (HINT: it will be considerably larger in diameter), you've got yourself a piece of railroad money. I used to have a boxful of it when I was a squirt.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: keyboarder on February 19, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
I have one of many burning questions about this issue.  Where the heck is the EPA on all these deraailments.  I was listening to one news reporter right after this last derailment and he said that the correct info had not been given earlier.  By whom was it not given and what was the total number of boxcars involved?  Also, just how many citizens were relocated as a result of the spill that destroyed x number of homes in the area.  Then too, just how bad was the spill into the nearby river?   Guess the MSM didn't want us to know in advance of the Keystone pipeline issue just how bad this wreck was. 
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: walkstall on February 19, 2015, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: keyboarder on February 19, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
I have one of many burning questions about this issue.  Where the heck is the EPA on all these deraailments.  I was listening to one news reporter right after this last derailment and he said that the correct info had not been given earlier.  By whom was it not given and what was the total number of boxcars involved?  Also, just how many citizens were relocated as a result of the spill that destroyed x number of homes in the area.  Then too, just how bad was the spill into the nearby river?   Guess the MSM didn't want us to know in advance of the Keystone pipeline issue just how bad this wreck was.

It's not what the MSM tell you that boggles the mind.   It's what they don't tell you.   The MSM writes the news they don't report the news.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kit saginaw on February 19, 2015, 03:28:33 PM
EPA-involvement casts the spotlight-glare on transporting oil by rail, which the Administration/Buffet don't want you to focus-on.

And CSX immediately open a community-outreach center for 'all' the victims, which gives them the excuse to control what information it wants the public to know about.  It's a 'funnel' thing, like with a mine-disaster.  Field-reporters are stifled. 
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: supsalemgr on February 20, 2015, 05:00:31 AM
Quote from: kit saginaw on February 19, 2015, 03:28:33 PM
EPA-involvement casts the spotlight-glare on transporting oil by rail, which the Administration/Buffet don't want you to focus-on.

And CSX immediately open a community-outreach center for 'all' the victims, which gives them the excuse to control what information it wants the public to know about.  It's a 'funnel' thing, like with a mine-disaster.  Field-reporters are stifled.

And they are being successful. Very little news about this now. Usually the environmentalist wackos would be all over this.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: daidalos on February 20, 2015, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 16, 2015, 07:20:02 PM
Yes they do, the libs say it will mess up the environment if we add more.   :rolleyes:
Well in their defense you have to honestly point out, that a rail car full of light oil bursting into flames, catching and burning a house to the ground, only does evironmental harm to the citizen's it displaces. And well they don't count. What really matters is that none of the oil poses a Danger to the Ohio River Valley water shed.... :rolleyes: Yeah that's how we heard about it here in the Cincy area. From the MSM here.  :lol:
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: daidalos on February 22, 2015, 12:55:01 AM
Quote from: kit saginaw on February 18, 2015, 09:37:13 PM
The price-per-share is now down to 35.39, actually climbing 10-cents from 3 PM.

I know nobody cares, but this is Buffet's worldKnow the enemy... even though the irony is that he's a capitalist too.  But the objective is to relieve Dems of their money, pennies-at-a-time.  That goes for Steyer, GE, Soros/Petroleum Brazil, etc.

Buffet has a magic-number for CSX's price, to do whatever he does...  I'd set my magic-number at around 34-and-a-half bucks, hoping it's higher than his (doing some research, of course), then buy and sit on it. 

On to the next bet.  The market's waiting for President Big-Mouth to veto Keystone.  It's been sitting on his desk for a week now.  -Proving he's a spineless windbag.
He doesn't HAVE to veto it, he can just let it sit on his desk forever, after so long, (traditionally ninety days I believe) it's considered that the President has 'vetoed" the bill. At which point
Congress would have to "re-pass" it again.

That said, isn't it interesting how Obama relies on American "traditions" like that, all the while attacking every "tradition" which is of benefit to the people at every turn?

Even going so far as to give aid and comfort (I believe) through use of those same "traditions" to our enemies like ISIS?



Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: supsalemgr on February 22, 2015, 05:24:44 AM
Quote from: daidalos on February 22, 2015, 12:55:01 AM
He doesn't HAVE to veto it, he can just let it sit on his desk forever, after so long, (traditionally ninety days I believe) it's considered that the President has 'vetoed" the bill. At which point
Congress would have to "re-pass" it again.

That said, isn't it interesting how Obama relies on American "traditions" like that, all the while attacking every "tradition" which is of benefit to the people at every turn?

Even going so far as to give aid and comfort (I believe) through use of those same "traditions" to our enemies like ISIS?

I believe if a president does not signed or veto a passed bill it becomes law after 10 working days.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: Solar on February 22, 2015, 05:44:49 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 22, 2015, 05:24:44 AM
I believe if a president does not signed or veto a passed bill it becomes law after 10 working days.
Correct.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kit saginaw on February 22, 2015, 07:07:11 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 22, 2015, 05:44:49 AM
Correct.

What's that loudmouth waiting for??  -A red line?  All that big talk about vetoing Keystone... 


(side note... CSX-shares, now at 35.55, is Ben Stein's pick for stock of the week)
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kit saginaw on February 24, 2015, 08:38:03 AM
My bad... I'm just hearing that the bill is being sent to the Oval Office today.  Wtf??  It passed the Senate 2-weeks ago.  I was under the impression that bills-passed-by-both-Houses immediately get delivered to the President's desk.  What was the holdup?  It's only a bowshot or two away...  Just send some kid over.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: supsalemgr on February 24, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
Quote from: kit saginaw on February 24, 2015, 08:38:03 AM
My bad... I'm just hearing that the bill is being sent to the Oval Office today.  Wtf??  It passed the Senate 2-weeks ago.  I was under the impression that bills-passed-by-both-Houses immediately get delivered to the President's desk.  What was the holdup?  It's only a bowshot or two away...  Just send some kid over.  Unbelievable.

Josh Earnest said Obama will veto the bill today.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: wally on February 24, 2015, 11:06:22 AM
A hundred years of thousands of miles of pipeline and clearly it is safer to transport oil via pipeline, rather than rail or tractor trailors.  (it far cheaper too).  Which brings us to what this whole thing is really all about: The Libtard's Lies about Global Warming and their condemnation of fossile fuels! 

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi258.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh280%2Fwallyguy100%2FGlobal%2520Warming%2FAlGore.jpg&hash=f1cfbc8a6afb2d8e44b735a5d4e71c376b997662) (http://s258.photobucket.com/user/wallyguy100/media/Global%20Warming/AlGore.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: TboneAgain on February 24, 2015, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: daidalos on February 22, 2015, 12:55:01 AM
He doesn't HAVE to veto it, he can just let it sit on his desk forever, after so long, (traditionally ninety days I believe) it's considered that the President has 'vetoed" the bill. At which point
Congress would have to "re-pass" it again.

That said, isn't it interesting how Obama relies on American "traditions" like that, all the while attacking every "tradition" which is of benefit to the people at every turn?

Even going so far as to give aid and comfort (I believe) through use of those same "traditions" to our enemies like ISIS?

My goodness! Let's see if we can sort this out....

Once Congress passes a bill, it is delivered to the president for his consideration. The president has 10 days -- not counting Sundays -- to either sign the bill, making it law, or reject (veto) the bill and send it back to Congress with a statement of his objections. If he does nothing and Congress adjourns during that 10-day period, the bill is effectively vetoed without any action by the president. It's as though he had stuffed the offending bill in his pocket and refused to even look at it -- thus the term 'pocket veto.' Following a successful pocket veto, the rejected bill essentially ceases to exist, and Congress must, if it chooses to pursue the matter, start over by resubmitting it for consideration. Congress cannot vote to override a successful pocket veto.

If, however, the Congress remains in session for the 10-day period, and the president does nothing, the bill becomes law automatically at the end of the ten days, without the president's signature and without further action by Congress. Of course, both the House and the Senate have crafted procedures by which the Congress is NEVER deemed to be out of session for the purpose of receiving vetoes, meaning the door's always open and the lights are on and somebody's minding the store 24/7 if there's legislation pending the president's approval. Pocket vetoes are relatively rare; only two have taken place in the past 22 years.

It's worth noting again (I've written about this before) that the Kenyan has been forced to use his veto power only twice in six years. That's not a reflection of peace and harmony between the White House and Capitol Hill. Rather, it's a stark indicator of how effective Hairy Weed has been in bottling up legislation and essentially preventing the Kenyan from having to even consider vetoing anything. Both of the Kenyan's vetoes were attached to bills passed by the 111th Congress, both houses of which were controlled by Democrats, led by Nancy Pelosi and Hairy Weed, who had a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority to work with. After the devastating losses in the 2010 mid-terms, and the loss of the House majority to Republicans, Weed simply stopped allowing legislation to get through the Senate. Since the House cannot, on its own, send legislation to the White House, everything stopped, and the Kenyan was spared the indignity of having to actually do his job, and possibly appear to be obstructing the people's business.

UPDATE!!! As I am writing this, the Kenyan vetoed a bill aimed at approving the construction of the remaining portion of the Keystone XL pipeline. That upped his total number of vetoes by 50%, from two to three! He's still just a tad short of his New Deal idol's tally -- 635 vetoes over twelve years. Only three other presidents have issued fewer vetoes over six years in office: George Washington (two in eight years), Thomas Jefferson (none in eight years) and James Monroe (one in eight years). In other words, no president since 1825 has issued fewer vetoes -- or been bothered with the prospect fewer times -- than the Kenyan.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kathy s. on February 27, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
 I am a former Locomotive Engineer (Southern Pacific/Union Pacific) and can tell you from experience that the oil trains will keep on rolling, no matter what. Politicians often serve on the BOD, thus have an inside seat on decision making.  It takes an act of God to force railroads to change, unfortunately.  The problem is (at least with the U.P.)  track maintenance. U.P.  tends to work on a shoestring budget and are often short handed re track and train  crews. The train crews are on call 24/7 with little rest between trips.
  Additionally, the rail contracts in cold weather, expands in hot weather. When it contracts, it can break or crack. When it expands, it can kink.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtamaryland/6150457610/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtamaryland/6150457610/)

  If the rail cracks/breaks, the rail may continue to touch, therefore the sensors won't catch it and the signals remain green. So, the train crews have no clue theres a problem, rolls right over it and can cause a derailment. Same with sun kinks. I was running a train from De Rio to San Antonio one summer, went over a sun kink and two rear cars derailed. We were lucky the entire train didn't come off the track.   
  Anyway, here is an article  that discusses towns and safety:

    http://crosscut.com/2015/02/oil-trains-cities-safe/ (http://crosscut.com/2015/02/oil-trains-cities-safe/)
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2015, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: kathy s. on February 27, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
I am a former Locomotive Engineer (Southern Pacific/Union Pacific) and can tell you from experience that the oil trains will keep on rolling, no matter what. Politicians often serve on the BOD, thus have an inside seat on decision making.  It takes an act of God to force railroads to change, unfortunately.  The problem is (at least with the U.P.)  track maintenance. U.P.  tends to work on a shoestring budget and are often short handed re track and train  crews. The train crews are on call 24/7 with little rest between trips.
  Additionally, the rail contracts in cold weather, expands in hot weather. When it contracts, it can break or crack. When it expands, it can kink.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtamaryland/6150457610/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtamaryland/6150457610/)

  If the rail cracks/breaks, the rail may continue to touch, therefore the sensors won't catch it and the signals remain green. So, the train crews have no clue theres a problem, rolls right over it and can cause a derailment. Same with sun kinks. I was running a train from De Rio to San Antonio one summer, went over a sun kink and two rear cars derailed. We were lucky the entire train didn't come off the track.   
  Anyway, here is an article  that discusses towns and safety:

    http://crosscut.com/2015/02/oil-trains-cities-safe/ (http://crosscut.com/2015/02/oil-trains-cities-safe/)
You lived my childhood dream as an engineer. :thumbsup:

Good info. I still say rail is probably one of the most vulnerable areas in our transportation infrastructure, more so than ships and dock terminals, simply because there is no way to guard millions of miles of track.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kathy s. on February 27, 2015, 02:21:04 PM
I agree. When I first began running trains, the illegals hitching a ride on the rear units were friendly; they were often seeking work or helping a sick relative get better medical treatment in America. Yes, we paid for it since they would go to the emergency room, but that's another topic. Anyway, as years passed, the attitude of those riding trains began to shift and the Border Patrol insisted on walking my engines with me if I was picking up a train out of Del Rio, Eagle Pass, or Loredo. The riders were cartel members, or generally up to no good. Additionally, we were not allowed to carry weapons, yet the doors on the engines   were not equipped with locks. Sitting ducks, basically.  Needless to say, many of us took our chances and carried some sort of weapon in our grip (travel bag). These days, most locomotives are equipped with inward facing cameras. I'm happy I'm not out there any longer. Loved the job but hated U.P. management practices. The S.P. managers were hired out as switchmen, and later became conductors or engineers. They knew what it takes to move trains. The U.P. hires college grads who have never turned a wheel, and it shows. 
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: keyboarder on February 27, 2015, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: kathy s. on February 27, 2015, 02:21:04 PM
I agree. When I first began running trains, the illegals hitching a ride on the rear units were friendly; they were often seeking work or helping a sick relative get better medical treatment in America. Yes, we paid for it since they would go to the emergency room, but that's another topic. Anyway, as years passed, the attitude of those riding trains began to shift and the Border Patrol insisted on walking my engines with me if I was picking up a train out of Del Rio, Eagle Pass, or Loredo. The riders were cartel members, or generally up to no good. Additionally, we were not allowed to carry weapons, yet the doors on the engines   were not equipped with locks. Sitting ducks, basically.  Needless to say, many of us took our chances and carried some sort of weapon in our grip (travel bag). These days, most locomotives are equipped with inward facing cameras. I'm happy I'm not out there any longer. Loved the job but hated U.P. management practices. The S.P. managers were hired out as switchmen, and later became conductors or engineers. They knew what it takes to move trains. The U.P. hires college grads who have never turned a wheel, and it shows.

Impressive Kathy and welcome aboard our forum!
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2015, 05:36:50 AM
Quote from: keyboarder on February 27, 2015, 08:02:19 PM
Impressive Kathy and welcome aboard our forum!
She's been a member a year now. :biggrin:
Good poster, just doesn't have a lot to say. I find the engineer part fascinating, in that it was always a dream of mine to ride, since I literally spent the first quarter of my life next to tracks, and remember the disappointment in hearing they were shutting down my line and removing the tracks and overpasses in the early to mid 60s. 

I was the only one that longed for the sound of iron and steel fighting for equilibrium, while everyone else was happy the smoke and noise of the last hundred years was coming to an end.
I still have the date nails from the ties in the tracks dating back to the late 19th century.

Kind of silly when I think about it, but my dad and I used to walk the rails for miles, his father was an engineer as dad too worked on the rail, maybe it runs in the blood... :blink:
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: keyboarder on February 28, 2015, 09:17:32 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 28, 2015, 05:36:50 AM
She's been a member a year now. :biggrin:
Good poster, just doesn't have a lot to say. I find the engineer part fascinating, in that it was always a dream of mine to ride, since I literally spent the first quarter of my life next to tracks, and remember the disappointment in hearing they were shutting down my line and removing the tracks and overpasses in the early to mid 60s. 

I was the only one that longed for the sound of iron and steel fighting for equilibrium, while everyone else was happy the smoke and noise of the last hundred years was coming to an end.
I still have the date nails from the ties in the tracks dating back to the late 19th century.

Kind of silly when I think about it, but my dad and I used to walk the rails for miles, his father was an engineer as dad too worked on the rail, maybe it runs in the blood... :blink:

Kathy seems like a good poster.  I haven't bothered to look up any of her posts other than just the ones I've remarked about.  Only 33 posts so I just assumed (incorrectly too) that she was fairly recent. 

Nothing wrong with nostalgia Solar.  You mentioned walking the tracks with your Dad and I sense that that was an important reflective time for you.  Along those lines, I am reminded of the place that my Dad worked at for most of his life.  It was a cotton mill before it became a synthetics and polymer based company.  My Dad retired from there and I worked there with him until he retired and on until it closed down in 2000.  It was Reeves Bros. and then it ended as Amoco.  It was taken over several times but was Phillips Fiber when he worked there.  I used to wonder as I walked the floors of that 5 story building if I was putting my feet in some of the same places that his feet had been.  Talk about conservative?  Dad was a hard man to work for but noone ever accused him of not being fair and honest in his dealings.  If I think hard enough, I can almost see him coming into my office with a carry out plate of food from the local choke and puke establishment.  I miss him.
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kathy s. on February 28, 2015, 03:31:32 PM
Thanks for the welcome, everyone! I've been a member for awhile but have been so busy that I've only lurked.  :smile:

   
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: kathy s. on February 28, 2015, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 28, 2015, 05:36:50 AM
She's been a member a year now. :biggrin:
Good poster, just doesn't have a lot to say. I find the engineer part fascinating, in that it was always a dream of mine to ride, since I literally spent the first quarter of my life next to tracks, and remember the disappointment in hearing they were shutting down my line and removing the tracks and overpasses in the early to mid 60s. 

I was the only one that longed for the sound of iron and steel fighting for equilibrium, while everyone else was happy the smoke and noise of the last hundred years was coming to an end.
I still have the date nails from the ties in the tracks dating back to the late 19th century.

Kind of silly when I think about it, but my dad and I used to walk the rails for miles, his father was an engineer as dad too worked on the rail, maybe it runs in the blood... :blink:

  Oh, I have plenty to say, lol! Politically, I am a big Ted Cruz fan. Living in Texas, he has done a great job representing his constituents at the risk of RINO ire.   Someone commented  once that Cruz could probably use a food tester in D.C. b/c he's so disliked by the establishment. My kind of guy.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Train Derailments
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2015, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: kathy s. on February 28, 2015, 03:36:59 PM
  Oh, I have plenty to say, lol! Politically, I am a big Ted Cruz fan. Living in Texas, he has done a great job representing his constituents at the risk of RINO ire.   Someone commented  once that Cruz could probably use a food tester in D.C. b/c he's so disliked by the establishment. My kind of guy.  :laugh:
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