Your money hasn't helped Jeb what makes you think it will help Hillary....?
What a friggin cry baby.
Top Jeb Bush political donor in Miami: I'll vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
One of Florida's biggest conservative (bullshit) Republican moneymen — and a billionaire backer of Jeb Bush — is so disgusted by Donald Trump's candidacy that if he has to, he'll do the unthinkable:
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/elections-2016/article48067815.html#storylink=cpy
Like I've always said, there is no differentiation between GOP'e and Dim money backers, both party's strive for the all mighty leftist bribe.
Quote from: Bronx on December 06, 2015, 07:04:32 AM
Your money hasn't helped Jeb what makes you think it will help Hillary....?
What a friggin cry baby.
Top Jeb Bush political donor in Miami: I'll vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump
One of Florida's biggest conservative (bullshit) Republican moneymen — and a billionaire backer of Jeb Bush — is so disgusted by Donald Trump's candidacy that if he has to, he'll do the unthinkable:
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/elections-2016/article48067815.html#storylink=cpy
So it about control not what is best for the U.S. :glare:
Quote from: walkstall on December 06, 2015, 09:59:50 AM
So it about control not what is best for the U.S. :glare:
Apparently these folks know Trump cannot be bought. Hillary is a different story.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 06, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
Apparently these folks know Trump cannot be bought. Hillary is a different story.
In a word YES!
Remember she was "dead broke" coming out of the White House and look at her now.
Quote from: walkstall on December 06, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
In a word YES!
Remember she was "dead broke" coming out of the White House and look at her now.
Clinton, Inc. had a lot of practice at shakedown in Arkansas.
Look, this is an intimate, insightful moment, these establishment republicans are all leftists, everyone of them. This is how the republican party was subverted, and its how America was destroyed, its why there is no border security and its why there are at least 25,000,000 illegal alien Mexicans roaming freely about the interior of the United States, and its how ONE PARTY rule was enacted, these people are fascists, and you are looking one of them right in the face!
Quote from: Tacoma on December 06, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
Look, this is an intimate, insightful moment, these establishment republicans are all leftists, everyone of them. This is how the republican party was subverted, and its how America was destroyed, its why there is no border security and its why there are at least 25,000,000 illegal alien Mexicans roaming freely about the interior of the United States, and its how ONE PARTY rule was enacted, these people are fascists, and you are looking one of them right in the face!
It's not as if we weren't warned.
"15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States."
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/communist-goals-(1963)/
Yes, I will vote Cruz in March (Mich primary). I pray to God (literally) that he wins.
But I'm NOT as anti-Trump as some of you (a trait you have in common with the Left).
This story tells me one thing.
Jeb = Democrat.
Trump scares the hell out of the RINO.
Trump scares the hell out of the Left and the FAR LEFT.
That tells me something.
He worries me on SOME things.
On other things he would be great.
Quote from: carlb on December 06, 2015, 03:17:12 PM
Yes, I will vote Cruz in March (Mich primary). I pray to God (literally) that he wins.
But I'm NOT as anti-Trump as some of you (a trait you have in common with the Left).
This story tells me one thing.
Jeb = Democrat.
Trump scares the hell out of the RINO.
Trump scares the hell out of the Left and the FAR LEFT.
That tells me something.
He worries me on SOME things.
On other things he would be great.
I could agree with that, carib! Trump would indeed be good on some things. However, it is the rest of the issues that scares the sh*t out of me!! :scared:
Quote from: kroz on December 06, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
I could agree with that, carib! Trump would indeed be good on some things. However, it is the rest of the issues that scares the sh*t out of me!! :scared:
what issues? What he actually SAYS or what you THINK he'll do. My guess is the latter.
Quote from: kroz on December 06, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
I could agree with that, carib! Trump would indeed be good on some things. However, it is the rest of the issues that scares the sh*t out of me!! :scared:
It should, he has only been a republican for just over a year. :ohmy:
I put this scum bag in the same category as those big time celebs who say they will leave the country if A republican gets elected....good riddance.
Solar is correct that the money crowd has no party preference, as Breitbart recently pointed out. None at all.
As for this money man's comment, anyone surprised is oblivious. We have had a Janus headed duopoly in DC since Woodrow Wilson; heads and tails of the same coin.
Recall that in 1964, the Old Bull R gang of Rockefeller, Scranton, Romney (George), Richardson and Cahill, progressive left schmucks all; ran adverts against Barry Goldwater ensuring his defeat. As to this moment;
some wave the banner for Trump, while others reject him; each for their own reasons. So consider this.
Fredrick of Prussia asserted that audacity was the vital ingredient in all great leaders. Trump has that in spades
but it cuts both ways. While he is bold, he is also rash; while he radiates confidence, he is also disrespectful of his opponents and while he is a risk taker, he is also reckless in word.
Betting here is that he will win the nomination easily. Then the R establishment will do what they did to Goldwater but here is the difference. Trump, w/o party loyalty, will bolt and run as an Independent; his appeal being so strong; and acutely so among the 40%+ of the electorate who no longer vote; that the R's will be annihilated in 2016; an outcome I consider a very good thing for the survival of the nation. Thoughts???
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 07, 2015, 11:21:40 PM
Solar is correct that the money crowd has no party preference, as Breitbart recently pointed out. None at all.
As for this money man's comment, anyone surprised is oblivious. We have had a Janus headed duopoly in DC since Woodrow Wilson; heads and tails of the same coin.
Recall that in 1964, the Old Bull R gang of Rockefeller, Scranton, Romney (George), Richardson and Cahill, progressive left schmucks all; ran adverts against Barry Goldwater ensuring his defeat. As to this moment;
some wave the banner for Trump, while others reject him; each for their own reasons. So consider this.
Fredrick of Prussia asserted that audacity was the vital ingredient in all great leaders. Trump has that in spades
but it cuts both ways. While he is bold, he is also rash; while he radiates confidence, he is also disrespectful of his opponents and while he is a risk taker, he is also reckless in word.
Betting here is that he will win the nomination easily. Then the R establishment will do what they did to Goldwater but here is the difference. Trump, w/o party loyalty, will bolt and run as an Independent; his appeal being so strong; and acutely so among the 40%+ of the electorate who no longer vote; that the R's will be annihilated in 2016; an outcome I consider a very good thing for the survival of the nation. Thoughts???
Had you said this right after Bush left office, I'd have agreed whole hearted, but not with Trump running against a proven Conservative, the entire dynamic has shifted.
Not only has the base backed Cruz since the beginning, but his support continues to grow unabated, to the point of overtaking the blowhard in Iowa.
Keep in mind, not only do we remember Perot, but everyone remembers what Trump claims to support today, just a few tears back was against.
Cruz will exploit the Hell out of this.
The thing about Trump is this. He says what people have been wanting RINO to say for decades, so those of whom had been turned off by the process came out in support of a liberal that said what they wanted to hear.
But these people are not loyal, they will follow a winner, and at this moment Trump appears to be that guy, but his negatives are higher than his positives, and not just a "I don't like Trump poll question"
But a "No way in Hell would I vote for the guy" kind of negative.
Once Cruz proves he can win, all of trump's base will run to the winner, leaving his holding his own for a change.
Cruz on the other hand has undecideds in his negatives column, people waiting to see who he becomes, and like Trump's following, will jump onto a real Conservative because they want a winner this time.
It was Trump that energized this forgotten/abandoned vote, but it will be Cruz whom solidifies this group into a landslide win over Hitlery in 2016.
Also expect to see Trump throw his support behind Cruz when the inevitable is obvious to his polsters.
Trump is a true capitalist, and he won't miss the opportunity to make the most of his run for office so as not to miss future possibilities.
This is hardly surprising. I am happy to see that Jeb's numbers are dismally low, and it's just my own opinion, and therefore by no means a provable fact, but it rather seems to me that Mr. Jeb is the champion of those displacing us in our own country, and not our friend at all.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
Solar, well argued and fair enough.
A caveat for Ted Cruz. He needs to be aware that Trump's mean streak is always lurking . Consider the following. Cruz overtakes him in the national polls and Trump is at a campaign rally before his raucous followers asking;
"You're heard about that Texas Guy, Cruz?" Predictable hoots and shouts from the crowd. Next he asks;
"So who is the real anti-establishment candidate from day one?" More hoots, shouts and applause. Next he says;
"You know this Cruz guy has been in DC forever but he insists he's not part of the establishment.
Just who is he kidding." Next Trump tells the audience some tale, either made up or real, about Cruz making a deal to get some piece of legislation passed.
Ted Cruz needs to be ready for something like this because it's Trump at his most audacious.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 08, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
Solar, well argued and fair enough.
A caveat for Ted Cruz. He needs to be aware that Trump's mean streak is always lurking . Consider the following. Cruz overtakes him in the national polls and Trump is at a campaign rally before his raucous followers asking;
"You're heard about that Texas Guy, Cruz?" Predictable hoots and shouts from the crowd. Next he asks;
"So who is the real anti-establishment candidate from day one?" More hoots, shouts and applause. Next he says;
"You know this Cruz guy has been in DC forever but he insists he's not part of the establishment.
Just who is he kidding." Next Trump tells the audience some tale, either made up or real, about Cruz making a deal to get some piece of legislation passed.
Ted Cruz needs to be ready for something like this because it's Trump at his most audacious.
Rhetoric. If Trump brings that up in a debate, Cruz will eat him alive, and here's why.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/cruz-the-bipartisan-little-know-facts-about-cruz/msg269053/#msg269053
Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2015, 01:40:42 PM
Rhetoric. If Trump brings that up in a debate, Cruz will eat him alive, and here's why.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/cruz-the-bipartisan-little-know-facts-about-cruz/msg269053/#msg269053
I believe every GOP candidate understands that taking Cruz on directly is a losing proposition. Trump is a clown, but he is no dummy. Dummies don't have their own 757's.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 08, 2015, 01:48:19 PM
I believe every GOP candidate understands that taking Cruz on directly is a losing proposition. Trump is a clown, but he is no dummy. Dummies don't have their own 757's.
Yeah, that's why I say its just rhetoric.
Cruz record as a Conservative is near perfect, while Trump's is packed full of leftist donations.
In the end Trump will endorse Cruz, and here's why I believe this to be the case.
Trump for the first time in his life is admired for standing up for something, instead of always being seen as the bad guy (eg. Kelo).
To go on the attack at this stage of the game would start to erode his support, but to stay on Cruz's good side as Cruz inevitably rises in he polls and seizing the election, allows Trump to take the high road and keep all the good will he's garnered from his time on the campaign trail.
Has anybody investigated this 'billionaire', Mike Fernandez?
As far as I know, a private citizen can't propagate defamatory-ads against a candidate in various States. That's Defamation Of Character. A civil crime. To avoid defamatory language, Fernandez can only say 'Don't Vote For Trump', basically. That's stupid... and a stupid waste of money for full-page ads.
or
Don't vote for Trump or you'll make me angry.
Don't vote for Trump or you'll make me vote for Hillary.
Hey, Mike... tell your ego that Goodyear called. They want their blimp back.
Even in The Miami Herald's article, they provide the incident of Fernandez withdrawing (donor) support from Rick Scott because Scott-staffers made a joke using Latino-accents. That's pretty thin-skinned.
Fernandez is shaping-up to be a self-appointed king-maker, dangling a cash-roll on a fishing-pole in front potential suckers.
His auto-biography is titled: I Want To Be Remembered For What I've Given... Really, Mike? How subtle.
Here's today's Miami Herald:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/elections-2016/article48446165.html
Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2015, 02:10:12 PM
Yeah, that's why I say its just rhetoric.
Cruz record as a Conservative is near perfect, while Trump's is packed full of leftist donations.
In the end Trump will endorse Cruz, and here's why I believe this to be the case.
Trump for the first time in his life is admired for standing up for something, instead of always being seen as the bad guy (eg. Kelo).
To go on the attack at this stage of the game would start to erode his support, but to stay on Cruz's good side as Cruz inevitably rises in he polls and seizing the election, allows Trump to take the high road and keep all the good will he's garnered from his time on the campaign trail.
I am afraid the GOP is on the verge of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again. They need to back off of the criticism of Trump. I understand the opposition to Trump's blanket no Muslim declaration, but don't attack him so directly. Their worst nightmare is Trump going independent. He has enough loyal supporters and their defection from the GOP would be a gift to Hillary. I have faith the electorate will eventually take care of Trump.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 09, 2015, 04:44:06 AM
I am afraid the GOP is on the verge of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again. They need to back off of the criticism of Trump. I understand the opposition to Trump's blanket no Muslim declaration, but don't attack him so directly. Their worst nightmare is Trump going independent. He has enough loyal supporters and their defection from the GOP would be a gift to Hillary. I have faith the electorate will eventually take care of Trump.
Nah, let Trump run 3rd party. His so called base (roughly half) is only there for retribution for what the Establishment did, but they aren't willing to punish America just to make a point.
I think Trump's base is a real mix of America, mostly LIV, a lot of libs a goodly chunk of voters that vowed to never vote GOP again.
But all that would change on a dime if he claimed 3rd party status. Everyone with 10% working brain recognizes that as a sign of failure, taking ones ball and leaving the game.
Yeah, for Trump to pull such a spoiled brat move, would literally send half his support running to Cruz in a flash, the rest weren't ever going to vote GOP anyway.
Trump can bluster and threaten all he likes, but in the end he'll come off as a traitor for attempting to throw the ticket to another Marxist.
Nah, Trump wants to leave this election like that of a beloved King, to do otherwise, would be a death sentence to his business and reputation.
Quote from: kit saginaw on December 08, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
As far as I know, a private citizen can't propagate defamatory-ads against a candidate in various States. That's Defamation Of Character. A civil crime. To avoid defamatory language, Fernandez can only say 'Don't Vote For Trump', basically. That's stupid... and a stupid waste of money for full-page ads.
Sure they can. Public figures up for election get a lot less protection against slander because the other side of that is protected political speech.
Assuming he set up a pac or superpac, it'll even be a tax write off.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 05:08:42 AM
Nah, let Trump run 3rd party. His so called base (roughly half) is only there for retribution for what the Establishment did, but they aren't willing to punish America just to make a point.
I think Trump's base is a real mix of America, mostly LIV, a lot of libs a goodly chunk of voters that vowed to never vote GOP again.
But all that would change on a dime if he claimed 3rd party status. Everyone with 10% working brain recognizes that as a sign of failure, taking ones ball and leaving the game.
Completely agree. Think about who is in that 68% that said they would still vote for him. Right now, they are ardent Trump supporters. Of course they will say anything to help him when talking to a pollster. I'm sure many would actually bail on election day if he went third party.
Whenever you see Trump in the news, just remember that his whole gimmic is being in the spotlight. It's nearly a political super power that he has mastered. He is absolutely brilliant at saying things that will put him on the front page.
Quote from: mhughes on December 09, 2015, 05:24:52 AM
Whenever you see Trump in the news, just remember that his whole gimmic is being in the spotlight. It's nearly a political super power that he has mastered. He is absolutely brilliant at saying things that will put him on the front page.
Yep, and if one steps back and takes in all of Trump, they quickly realize, that's all he is, pure showman and all rhetoric.
Truth is, Trump has zero substance.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 05:40:43 AM
Yep, and if one steps back and takes in all of Trump, they quickly realize, that's all he is, pure showman and all rhetoric.
Truth is, Trump has zero substance.
Trump has frightening substance! When you look back at his headline grabbing statements they show him to be a "shoot from the hip" blowhard. There is no telling what he will actually DO if elected. He is totally untrustworthy and will say whatever it takes to get elected. If elected he will likely change his tune on a lot of things and weasel out of most promises that people are voting for! He is a complete blowhard!
Understand the dislike many express for Trump which has been well earned by him, given the numerous inflammatory statements he has made. Nevertheless, the sage counsel of two very wise men is appropriate.
*Sun Tzu asserted that knowing your enemy is mandatory in order to be victorious. How many know Trump rather than knowing about Trump from the gossip, hearsay and rumor that passes for information across our corrupt and desiccated media? For starters, one does not become wealthy by luck. Additionally, a key prerequisite for entrepreneurial success is the wisdom to be able to discern character and competence when choosing subordinates.
*Machiavelli asked, "Is it better the leader be loved or feared?" The Romans answered that question for all time. How many think Trump cares squat whether he is loved or even liked? He is an agent of change that has terrified the establishment, hence their visceral contempt and loathing. Observation here is that, despite his many warts, Trump has galvanized the electorate. As such, he ain't going away anytime soon, particularly given his so called competition.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 09, 2015, 05:47:57 PM
Understand the dislike many express for Trump which has been well earned by him, given the numerous inflammatory statements he has made. Nevertheless, the sage counsel of two very wise men is appropriate.
*Sun Tzu asserted that knowing your enemy is mandatory in order to be victorious. How many know Trump rather than knowing about Trump from the gossip, hearsay and rumor that passes for information across our corrupt and desiccated media? For starters, one does not become wealthy by luck. Additionally, a key prerequisite for entrepreneurial success is the wisdom to be able to discern character and competence when choosing subordinates.
*Machiavelli asked, "Is it better the leader be loved or feared?" The Romans answered that question for all time. How many think Trump cares squat whether he is loved or even liked? He is an agent of change that has terrified the establishment, hence their visceral contempt and loathing. Observation here is that, despite his many warts, Trump has galvanized the electorate. As such, he ain't going away anytime soon, particularly given his so called competition.
Walter, it's blatantly obvious you know next to nothing about Trump, the guy that inherited his first fortune, as well as business contacts, the guy that only recently became a Pub just to run for office.
The same guy that claims to be for the little guy willing to fight oppressive govt, tried to use Kelo to strong arm private land from a widow.
Or how about how he simply changes his stance to fit what his flock demands in the way of policy?
I'm "fine" with affirmative action, for now. (Oct 2015)
After Supreme Court vote, gay marriage is a reality. (Aug 2015)
Same-sex marriage is a state issue. (Jun 2015)
No gay marriage; no same-sex partner benefits. (Mar 2011)
Tolerate diversity; prosecute hate crimes against gays. (Jul 2000)
Capital punishment isn't uncivilized; murderers living is. (Jul 2000)
Death penalty deters like violent TV leads kids astray. (Jul 2000)
Study legalization, but don't legalize now. (Nov 2015)
Yes to medical marijuana; otherwise, decide state by state. (Oct 2015)
I'm not accepting any money from anybody. (Sep 2015)
Between July 1 and Sept. 30, Trump's campaign says it received 73,942 unsolicited donations, pumping $3.8 million into his campaign coffers.
Are you starting to see a pattern yet?
The founder of the Trump real estate enterprise was Fredrick, a Bronx boy and his heir apparent was his son Robert, who died early and prematurely. During the transition, the Trump estate was managed by Donald and his sisters, which was the source of his early wealth; some $75,000,000. Decades later that figure is some $7,500,000,000, a hundred fold increase; all due to miraculous good luck no doubt. For the record, I personally have known both Ivana and her daughter Ivanka, for more than 15 years.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 09, 2015, 08:15:22 PM
The founder of the Trump real estate enterprise was Fredrick, a Bronx boy and his heir apparent was his son Robert, who died early and prematurely. During the transition, the Trump estate was managed by Donald and his sisters, which was the source of his early wealth; some $75,000,000. Decades later that figure is some $7,500,000,000, a hundred fold increase; all due to miraculous good luck no doubt. For the record, I personally have known both Ivana and her daughter Ivanka, for more than 15 years.
That's still unproven, as I understand it.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 09, 2015, 08:15:22 PM
The founder of the Trump real estate enterprise was Fredrick, a Bronx boy and his heir apparent was his son Robert, who died early and prematurely. During the transition, the Trump estate was managed by Donald and his sisters, which was the source of his early wealth; some $75,000,000. Decades later that figure is some $7,500,000,000, a hundred fold increase; all due to miraculous good luck no doubt. For the record, I personally have known both Ivana and her daughter Ivanka, for more than 15 years.
So what's your point, that "OK, he started out a little rich"?
Face it Walter, the guy is a lying lib that will say and do anything to get what he wants, even lie to a flock of idiots willing to overlook his past.
I gave you solid evidence that the guy changes his mind as often as the seasons, and your rebuttal is "He was only a little rich"? (translated)
The thing about this forum, is nothing gets sugar coated, if one of our candidates has warts, we don't pretend about their existence, nor do we lie about their existence, it's how we keep getting stuck with Establishment candidates, because we refused to acknowledge their flaws early on, only to have the media and RINO use it like a weapon later in the campaign.
So lets not fool ourselves into settling for a lib like Trump and start making excuses for the scum rag lib.
We all appreciate what he's done, but that's no reason to settle for a lying rhetorical lib.
Solar w/respect.
My core point was direct and simple, namely that great men, as Lord Acton asserted, are not good men.
Jesus Christ's mission was saving souls; Julius Caesar's emphatically was not. Is Trump a nice guy, prolly not; nor were Otto Von Bismarck, Douglas MacArthur, Winston Churchill among many, many others. But they were movers and shakers. We'll find out, soon enough, if Trump is cut from that fabric. However you're still not getting the phone numbers of the Trump ladies.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 10, 2015, 10:50:36 AM
Solar w/respect.
My core point was direct and simple, namely that great men, as Lord Acton asserted, are not good men.
Jesus Christ's mission was saving souls; Julius Caesar's emphatically was not. Is Trump a nice guy, prolly not; nor were Otto Von Bismarck, Douglas MacArthur, Winston Churchill among many, many others. But they were movers and shakers. We'll find out, soon enough, if Trump is cut from that fabric. However you're still not getting the phone numbers of the Trump ladies.
Walter w/respect....
Are you delusional? Placing Trump with the likes of Churchill, MacArthur, Jesus for that matter? What, no Reagan, God maybe? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If you're going to equate Trump to anyone, try Ponzi, Barnum or Bailey, Frank Abagnale, but just because the guy made millions, in no way makes him worthy of your aforementioned list.
That's rich, as well as entertaining. :biggrin:
Plain English from an 80 year old.
Man is not perfectible, Trump among them, which is what an original mind like Acton asserted!
Yet some are shocked, SHOCKED! My sad condolences. Get well, but more importantly, get real!
Suggestion: hope for the best but always expect the worst in leadership.
No further interest in this Trump fandango, as the voters will call the tune.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 10, 2015, 09:16:05 PM
Plain English from an 80 year old.
Man is not perfectible, Trump among them, which is what an original mind like Acton asserted!
Yet some are shocked, SHOCKED! My sad condolences. Get well, but more importantly, get real!
Suggestion: hope for the best but always expect the worst in leadership.
No further interest in this Trump fandango, as the voters will call the tune.
You can vote for a liberal. I have no idea why you would want to, but go ahead.
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 10, 2015, 09:16:05 PM
Plain English from an 80 year old.
Man is not perfectible, Trump among them, which is what an original mind like Acton asserted!
Yet some are shocked, SHOCKED! My sad condolences. Get well, but more importantly, get real!
Suggestion: hope for the best but always expect the worst in leadership.
No further interest in this Trump fandango, as the voters will call the tune.
Sorry Walt, but I refuse to let Bull Shit go.
Trump is a proven lib and liar, the man is without core principle, and for you to attempt to put him in league with established historical leaders is ludicrous as well as defamatory to former world leaders.
To back a man that has nothing to show beyond rhetoric for accomplishment, to flip on every issue he ever stood for and claim it's how business is done, then to have seemingly intelligent people such as yourself defend bad behavior, expecting the rest of to overlook liberal deportment and support your guy based on emotion, only to dismiss his rejection as a Spanish dance?
Nice attempt at spin, something I'd expect from the likes of Trump. Says a lot.
Do this, if you seriously want to show support for Trump, then post something substantial that proves his character beyond that of a lib.
Keep in mind, he'll be compared to the likes of Cruz at every turn while proceeding through this litmus test, as he will when the voters take a real comparative analysis of the two men.
Hows that for a mental image, Cruz and Trump being comparatively analyzed before the voting public, where Trump's accomplishments and his words are shown against Cruz, a man that never changed his principles.
Who do you think they're going to choose? Be honest...
Quote from: Solar on December 11, 2015, 05:23:13 AM
Sorry Walt, but I refuse to let Bull Shit go.
Trump is a proven lib and liar, the man is without core principle, and for you to attempt to put him in league with established historical leaders is ludicrous as well as defamatory to former world leaders.
To back a man that has nothing to show beyond rhetoric for accomplishment, to flip on every issue he ever stood for and claim it's how business is done, then to have seemingly intelligent people such as yourself defend bad behavior, expecting the rest of to overlook liberal deportment and support your guy based on emotion, only to dismiss his rejection as a Spanish dance?
Nice attempt at spin, something I'd expect from the likes of Trump. Says a lot.
Do this, if you seriously want to show support for Trump, then post something substantial that proves his character beyond that of a lib.
Keep in mind, he'll be compared to the likes of Cruz at every turn while proceeding through this litmus test, as he will when the voters take a real comparative analysis of the two men.
Hows that for a mental image, Cruz and Trump being comparatively analyzed before the voting public, where Trump's accomplishments and his words are shown against Cruz, a man that never changed his principles.
Who do you think they're going to choose? Be honest...
Trump says things that get people's attention that will not happen. I heard another example of that just this morning. Trump said he would instill the death penalty for anyone who killed a cop. Of course, no plan with the statement. The death penalty is a state matter. There is no way he could pull this off.
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 11, 2015, 12:41:45 PM
Trump says things that get people's attention that will not happen. I heard another example of that just this morning. Trump said he would instill the death penalty for anyone who killed a cop. Of course, no plan with the statement. The death penalty is a state matter. There is no way he could pull this off.
That's just it, you and I know what he can and cannot do, but the average angry LIV is clueless, and gets caught up in all the rhetoric.
When he and Cruz meet in a face off, Trump will be picking his up off the floor.
I've always appreciated what Trump has done, but now it's getting old real fast and someone needs to call him on this shit, but they won't.
This and Trump fandango brings to mind a story Ken Blanchard, the management guru, told many ages ago.
'A climber lost his balance and fell off the mountainside. While falling, he miraculously grabbed a tree limb and held on. Steadying himself, he looked down, then up and shouted "Is is there anyone up there who can help me???" After many moments had passed, a voice boomed," I WILL HELP YOU, BUT FIRST YOU MUST LET GO OF THE TREE LIMB". Again the climber looked down, then looked up and shouted, " Is there anyone else up there who can help me???" What is the tree limb???
It's a metaphor for those incapable, in life, of letting go and moving on; be it a dead end career, a promiscuous marriage partner, a failing investment, a dead political ideology and so forth. In this case, its Donald Trump and their contempt for and seething animus toward him, causes all comment directed at him to be personalized w/venom and lacking either humor or perspective. In any case, stay pure.