As I said before, I've listened to Rush since long before he went national, I even credit Rush for developing my critical thinking skills.
But over the years he never really challenged the Establishments statusquo up until recently and it was refreshing, but the minute he started backing Trump, his values were in question, but now he's actually trying to convince Conservatives that Rubio isn't Establishment.

But what's really sad here, is Rush recognizes Cruz as the standard bearer of Conservatism in comparing Rubio to Cruz, yet he still pushes the lying Rubio as a Conservative.
Rush, Conservatives don't lie to their constituency claiming Conservative principle, then stab them in the back.

I'm afraid Rush may have just lost half his loyal audience, I know I no longer tune in.

I don't like this idea that Marco Rubio is all of a sudden being labeled as an establishment candidate. I know that Rubio's got the baggage of that 'gang of eight' bill. And I know that in many people's minds, he's got the baggage of wanting to grant the current number of illegals citizenship. I understand that. But I'm here to – Marco Rubio is no moderate Republican centrist. I'm not – I could sit here like anybody else could and try to make explanations for you of why he did the gang of eight. But I'm not even going to try to put words into his mouth. I don't want to be seen as making excuses. I'm just telling you, I don't see Marco Rubio as anything other than a legitimate, full-throated conservative. Nobody's pure and nobody is ever free of making mistakes.

I have – I know Senator Rubio... I know these people, I know that Senator Rubio is [in] the Senate, in many ways he agrees with Cruz, but...he's just worn out with the Senate...I heard this from Allen West, when he left the House, the incumbents, all they care about is getting re-elected. You go there, to really make a difference, and you're run into brick wall after brick wall after brick wall. And I don't think Rubio wants to stay there 30 years to break through the wall to get a committee chairmanship or whatever. I don't like this idea that we're all of a sudden going to make Rubio the establishment bad guy, as though Rubio is no different from the McCains, and the Bob Doles, and the Romneys, and the others that have come along and been nominated by the establishment. He just isn't.

http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/02/03/watch-rush-limbaugh-call-marco-rubio-legitimate-full-throated-conservative/

I still think Rubio has a 60% chance of being the nominee, vs. a 40% chance for Ted. Honestly, I would happily suppot either one over Hillary Clinton. I think there is room in the party to disagree over which is better, Rubio or Cruz. This should not be a coronation like the Democrats are trying to do with Hillary.

Let's hear Rubio and Cruz out, let's hear both sides, and let the people decide on their own which one they want. Ted has to earn the nomination...it's not going to be handed to him in a silver platter.

Look, Ted has a real chance especially if Rubio fails to take away Bush's supporters and rally them behind him, but he has to earn it by showing why he is worth it of our support. Even the NY Times agrees Ted can prevail over Rubio and has a good shot, but it's not a guarantee and he has to go out there and sell would-be Rubio supporters on the idea that he, Ted Cruz, is the one to support.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/04/opinion/campaign-stops/the-plausibility-of-ted-cruz.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Quote from: Skeptic on February 04, 2016, 07:43:40 AM
I still think Rubio has a 60% chance of being the nominee, vs. a 40% chance for Ted. Honestly, I would happily suppot either one over Hillary Clinton. I think there is room in the party to disagree over which is better, Rubio or Cruz. This should not be a coronation like the Democrats are trying to do with Hillary.

Let's hear Rubio and Cruz out, let's hear both sides, and let the people decide on their own which one they want. Ted has to earn the nomination...it's not going to be handed to him in a silver platter.

Look, Ted has a real chance especially if Rubio fails to take away Bush's supporters and rally them behind him, but he has to earn it by showing why he is worth it of our support. Even the NY Times agrees Ted can prevail over Rubio and has a good shot, but it's not a guarantee and he has to go out there and sell would-be Rubio supporters on the idea that he, Ted Cruz, is the one to support.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/04/opinion/campaign-stops/the-plausibility-of-ted-cruz.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Anyone paying close attention knows the base will not support Rubio RINO, it really is that simple, despite people like Rush spinning bull shit.
There's a reason Trump lost despite the polls, he's a lib, and Rubio is cut from the same deceptive cloth.

I have no idea who the people will support. We shall find out next week, won't we?

Just today I've seen two NH polls. One puts Jeb Bush in second place behind Donald Trump, the other puts Rubio in second place, with Cruz in 3rd and Jeb in 4rth.

Honestly, with polls like that, who knows what to even believe.I'm sure the polls will be just as accurate as Iowa, which means we just don't know until people go out and vote. Everything else is just white noise. For all we know, Ted Cruz may win NH. 

This also happened on Rush's show the same day:

RUSH: Linda in Tampa.  I want to squeeze a phone call in here before the half hour expires.  How are you, Linda?

CALLER:  Hi, Rush.  Nice talking to you.

RUSH:  Same here.

CALLER:  The sad thing is, I'm gonna have disagree with you.  I can't believe it.

RUSH: (sigh)

CALLER: But on Rubio, I disagree.

RUSH:  Okay.

CALLER:  I think he's nothing more than an opportunist
who will say and do whatever it takes to get elected.
When he was testing the waters here in Florida for his Senate run,
we held a meet-and-greet for him with lots of grassroots in attendance. 
He introduced himself and immediately started in on the immigration plans he had. 
And, you know, "out of the shadows," "pathway to citizenship," all that stuff.

We all rose up and let him know that we did not approve; we were not interested in that.
He said he heard us, he understood, and a lot of us went out of our way,
did everything we could for him to get him elected.
He got to DC and the first thing he did? Gang of Eight. 
Now we're hearing the same slick talk and speeches that he said in Florida,
and we think amnesty has always been his first priority. 
And now we find out there's been over two dozen immigration enforcement plans
introduced up in Washington, and he has not cosponsored even one.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/02/03/what_i_know_about_marco_rubio

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Rush is arguing that Rubio has always been
solidly conservative on every issue except immigration.

Ann Coulter has been proclaiming the message that,
losing on immigration means soon losing forever on ALL issues!

The Dems' objective is to flood the ballot boxes with
20 million illegal immigrant voters
to put conservative victory WAY out of reach
in any national election.

Quote from: Solar on February 04, 2016, 07:58:55 AM
Anyone paying close attention knows the base will not support Rubio RINO, it really is that simple, despite people like Rush spinning bull shit.

You're looking at Rush through the lens of an election-cycle...  12-months out of every 48.  His principled viability is way more than 1-year out of 4.   -Same with Ingraham and Levin.

Fans forgive clunkers if the spirit's still there.  Otherwise the Rolling Stones would've vanished by the early 70's.

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 04, 2016, 08:18:13 AM
You're looking at Rush through the lens of an election-cycle...  12-months out of every 48.  His principled viability is way more than 1-year out of 4.   -Same with Ingraham and Levin.

Fans forgive clunkers if the spirit's still there.  Otherwise the Rolling Stones would've vanished by the early 70's.

No, this is the first time in history he's tossed his values aside and backed liberals/RINO.
How is it you can't see that?

Quote from: Solar on February 04, 2016, 09:11:07 AM
No, this is the first time in history he's tossed his values aside and backed liberals/RINO.
How is it you can't see that?

I see an election-cycle.  He's going to talk about all the candidates sooner or later... in the moment.  How has he tossed his values aside? 

Nah, I don't believe it.  I'm finding nothing that hints he's changing the meat and potatoes of his show's tradition.  I'm sure Gallup still has him on top of their 'who speaks for the Republican Party most' poll, which he's led almost every year since the Stones Age, except for being 2nd to Cheney and Gingrich a couple times.

'Going over the edge' means switching Parties.   

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 04, 2016, 08:09:59 PM
I see an election-cycle.  He's going to talk about all the candidates sooner or later... in the moment.  How has he tossed his values aside? 

Nah, I don't believe it.  I'm finding nothing that hints he's changing the meat and potatoes of his show's tradition.  I'm sure Gallup still has him on top of their 'who speaks for the Republican Party most' poll, which he's led almost every year since the Stones Age, except for being 2nd to Cheney and Gingrich a couple times.

'Going over the edge' means switching Parties.

He's propping up Trump, a known liberal. What more do you need?
If he gave Cruz half the time he devoted to Trump, Trump would be dropping out already.

If you don't believe me, just do a simple search for Rush backing the liberal, or choose any words you prefer, but the comment sections of Discuss are packed full of pissed off Rush fans over his support for Trump..

Quote from: Solar on February 04, 2016, 08:24:53 PM
He's propping up Trump, a known liberal. What more do you need?
If he gave Cruz half the time he devoted to Trump, Trump would be dropping out already.

If you don't believe me, just do a simple search for Rush backing the liberal, or choose any words you prefer, but the comment sections of Discuss are packed full of pissed off Rush fans over his support for Trump..

Here...

http://wn.com/ted_cruz_and_rush_limbaugh_discuss_the_washingtoncartel_and_the_corrupt_exim_bank_deal

also available on Cruz's own site

I'll say it for the third time... Rush has only hosted 2 live interviews in the last decade... the other was Henry Kissinger.

Even last week, Rush was slamming Iowa and their ethanol-subsidies crap.  Where's the anti-conservative rhetoric?   

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 04, 2016, 09:10:05 PM
Here...

http://wn.com/ted_cruz_and_rush_limbaugh_discuss_the_washingtoncartel_and_the_corrupt_exim_bank_deal

also available on Cruz's own site

I'll say it for the third time... Rush has only hosted 2 live interviews in the last decade... the other was Henry Kissinger.

Even last week, Rush was slamming Iowa and their ethanol-subsidies crap.  Where's the anti-conservative rhetoric?   

There isn't any. This is getting rediculous. It's not Rush "going over the edge."

Quote from: Solar on February 04, 2016, 06:52:38 AM
As I said before, I've listened to Rush since long before he went national, I even credit Rush for developing my critical thinking skills.
But over the years he never really challenged the Establishments statusquo up until recently and it was refreshing, but the minute he started backing Trump, his values were in question, but now he's actually trying to convince Conservatives that Rubio isn't Establishment.

But what's really sad here, is Rush recognizes Cruz as the standard bearer of Conservatism in comparing Rubio to Cruz, yet he still pushes the lying Rubio as a Conservative.
Rush, Conservatives don't lie to their constituency claiming Conservative principle, then stab them in the back.

I'm afraid Rush may have just lost half his loyal audience, I know I no longer tune in.

I don't like this idea that Marco Rubio is all of a sudden being labeled as an establishment candidate. I know that Rubio's got the baggage of that 'gang of eight' bill. And I know that in many people's minds, he's got the baggage of wanting to grant the current number of illegals citizenship. I understand that. But I'm here to – Marco Rubio is no moderate Republican centrist. I'm not – I could sit here like anybody else could and try to make explanations for you of why he did the gang of eight. But I'm not even going to try to put words into his mouth. I don't want to be seen as making excuses. I'm just telling you, I don't see Marco Rubio as anything other than a legitimate, full-throated conservative. Nobody's pure and nobody is ever free of making mistakes.

I have – I know Senator Rubio... I know these people, I know that Senator Rubio is [in] the Senate, in many ways he agrees with Cruz, but...he's just worn out with the Senate...I heard this from Allen West, when he left the House, the incumbents, all they care about is getting re-elected. You go there, to really make a difference, and you're run into brick wall after brick wall after brick wall. And I don't think Rubio wants to stay there 30 years to break through the wall to get a committee chairmanship or whatever. I don't like this idea that we're all of a sudden going to make Rubio the establishment bad guy, as though Rubio is no different from the McCains, and the Bob Doles, and the Romneys, and the others that have come along and been nominated by the establishment. He just isn't.

http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/02/03/watch-rush-limbaugh-call-marco-rubio-legitimate-full-throated-conservative/

Yea, I am way lost on what Rush sees in trump as conservative, there is nothing there. But, Rush is an entertainer first, that is what he gets paid for, and he is cashing in on this trump thing just like the rest of the media. I still listen whenever I can to Rush, but it is mostly background noise now where I catch bits and pieces of what he is saying. To be honest, I  stopped being a rabid fan of his when his shows became 30 minute commercials for his own products.

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 04, 2016, 09:10:05 PM
Here...

http://wn.com/ted_cruz_and_rush_limbaugh_discuss_the_washingtoncartel_and_the_corrupt_exim_bank_deal

also available on Cruz's own site

I'll say it for the third time... Rush has only hosted 2 live interviews in the last decade... the other was Henry Kissinger.

Even last week, Rush was slamming Iowa and their ethanol-subsidies crap.  Where's the anti-conservative rhetoric?   

Is Trump a lib or not?
Is Rubio an Establishment hack or a Conservative?
Is there a Constitutional Conservative running in this race or not?
If you answer yes to those, case closed, otherwise you're lying to yourself as much as Rush is.

Quote from: s3779m on February 05, 2016, 02:29:51 AM
Yea, I am way lost on what Rush sees in trump as conservative, there is nothing there. But, Rush is an entertainer first, that is what he gets paid for, and he is cashing in on this trump thing just like the rest of the media. I still listen whenever I can to Rush, but it is mostly background noise now where I catch bits and pieces of what he is saying. To be honest, I  stopped being a rabid fan of his when his shows became 30 minute commercials for his own products.

I was never a rabid fan, but he always had keen insight as well as inside information that would expose liberal hypocrisy in unique ways.
And even though he never really bashed the GOP'e, he always touted Conservatives, and now that we finally have the guy running we've been demanding for a decade, Rush becomes a Trump water boy?
Yeah, entertainer may be a bit too gratuitous.

So in the span of less than two weeks, Rush is suddenly not conservative enough and Hannity suddenly isn't conservative enough.  That's ridiculous.  The next TEA-meeting here is on the 8th.  I guarantee there'll be zero outrage about the occasional 'glowing comments' those two have made about whomever.