Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.

Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.

You make a very good point. While it may have merit as I doubt our forefathers could foresee what is happening. However, it couldn't just be changed. This is an example of Trump being a lot of words.

Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.

It's not in the Constitution, it's just been a policy.
So there's no need to change a thing, just quit doing it.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."


The clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was included specifically to exclude Indians from citizenship.  (Their citizenship was granted by an act of Congress in the 1920s.)  They were NOT citizens, even though they WERE born here!

It is clear that an illegal alien, is trespassing, and not submitting to the jurisdiction (laws) of the United States.  Just like the Indians before 1920, they and their children are NOT citizens.

Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2015, 12:30:20 PM
It's not in the Constitution, it's just been a policy.
So there's no need to change a thing, just quit doing it.

The immigration department needs an enema.
Example from my town: American man and Mexican wife on visa have been trying for six years to
get her citizenship naturalized. What's the hold up? Well, for starters, they pay nearly $5,000 per year for visa renewal. Get my drift? I bet there are thousands like this. She owns and operates her own business, employs six.
Another: a couple of Gringos run farm labor crews. Make the check out to them.
This kind of practice used to be associated with big city Democratic machines. Now it is both parties at all levels. Do I exaggerate? Look at the White House. 

Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "birth citizenship" clause.  Only the manner in which it is currently being employed, mainly, by Mexicans in this country illegally.

When rounded up for deportation, a couple with a "anchor baby" (or more) has the choice of taking their child(ren) with them when they leave for their country of origin, or, they can make their "anchor babies" (who are, after all, American citizens) wards of the State before they leave.  (We still run orphanages in this country, don't we?)

No Constitutional Amendment necessary.  Hell, an Obama Executive Order would suffice.  Right?

 

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 09:53:05 PM
I wonder if Walker could say they have to go?

QuoteScott Walker Weighs In on Birthright Citizenship Debate
Republican presidential candidate Scott Walker said Monday that he believes the children of undocumented immigrants shouldn't automatically have a right to American citizenship if they're born in the United States.

Asked by msnbc if birthright citizenship should be ended, the Wisconsin governor replied: "Yeah, to me it's about enforcing the laws in this country. And I've been very clear, I think you enforce the laws, and I think it's important to send a message that we're going to enforce the laws, no matter how people come here we're going to enforce the laws."
Ending birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants is part of GOP front-runner Donald Trump's immigration plan, first outlined Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

On Monday morning, Walker told "Fox and Friends" that his own immigration plan is "similar" to the plan Trump outlined.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/scott-walker-weighs-birthright-citizenship-debate-n411256

I suspect we will see more candidates getting more specific on a lot of issues! Trump is forcing the debate and good for him!

The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan

America is with him on this. Nobody else will go this far. Ted Cruz to s the only one I THINK may enforce the border.

From RushLimbaugh.com

QuoteTrump hasn't faded.  He's not shown any signs up of fading yet. He goes on Meet the Press yesterday and, have to tell you, the establishment is shocked, angry, saddened.  He came off as presidential.  He had a serious immigration plan.  And the key to Trump's immigration plan is that it almost dovetails exactly with public opinion on immigration.  You know, it's kind of stunning. We got 16 Republican candidates now, and there's only one of them -- only one -- with a unique view or different view on immigration.  It's Trump.

Sen. Sessions: Trump's America-first immigration plan 'exactly' what American needs

Quote from: redbeard on August 17, 2015, 04:31:43 PM
I suspect we will see more candidates getting more specific on a lot of issues! Trump is forcing the debate and good for him!

Yes, it's true, but that's it, a kind on one hit wonder, sucking the air out of the room, while equally dire issues are taking place, like Iran getting a nuke, or the racial division that the Marxist exacerbated to divide the country, and the list goes on and on.
I'm starting to think he made a deal with the LSM to keep him front and center and he promised to only focus on an issue that pisses off the right, with their anger pointed at one party, while the leftists disasters get completely ignored.

Personally I think it's time for Trump to tone it down and let us hear from the other candidates for a change.
If Trump were to tell the media, "so and so has a good idea, you should talk to him," it would give him more credibility, and likability.

Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.

How about a COnsitutional amdt duly passed by congress?

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 17, 2015, 12:07:18 AM
Stop using illegal as the term is false, it is undocumented please, don't want to be politically incorrect here 

Many of the illegal immigrants come from central American countries, what if they don't want to take them back?
There were around 400,000 deportations in 2013, roughly estimated there is 200,000 yearly illegal immigrants. But the number of illegals in the US keep rising which doesn't make much sense. And then there are the children born of illegal immigrants. But even if the statistics are true and you doubled the amount of deportations it would still take 50 or more years to deport every illegal immigrant.

Of course you can reduce benefit or eliminate welfare, but then you would have to work against the state bureaucracy. And nobody is talking about eliminating welfare so that is probably not going to happen.

Notice how more politicians and even the MSM jerks are using the term "illegal" more....I see that as progress....

I really question your statement about this process taking 50 years. Using the current bumbling system which is not meant to be serious maybe. But a sweeping reinvigoration of our existing immigration laws, bolstered by a few new ones could really have an impact in as little as three years.

Here is my other proposal:

Due to the fact illegally entering the USA or remaining past the time limit on a visa is a CRIME, then all assets of said crime could be legally seized by the Federal or State  Govt. Said assets being Bank account, real property and vehciles just to name a few. This is already done under RICO asset forefiture laws. It could be applied to illegals as well especially the illegals involved in drug trafficking or those involved in other types of organized HUMAN SMUGGLING. The product being the illegals themselves, illegal labor and child trafficking laws, prostitution etc.

I'd apply such laws and find an Attorney General who would do so and announce the following:

All illegals have a 90 day grace period in which to liquidate their assets and self deport. ANy assets found after this 90 days will be seized and the persons found remaining in the USA illegally will be deported.

ANyone found smuggling children into the USA will be fined 25K, and subject to 10 years in a federal prison. This includes persons who smuggle "dream act" children into the USA over the last twenty years.

Backed up with severe security on ALL borders and reduction in legal immigration and a re focus of resources on existing laws I bet there would be a mass scramble for the exits.

Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2015, 05:15:22 PM
Yes, it's true, but that's it, a kind on one hit wonder, sucking the air out of the room, while equally dire issues are taking place, like Iran getting a nuke, or the racial division that the Marxist exacerbated to divide the country, and the list goes on and on.
I'm starting to think he made a deal with the LSM to keep him front and center and he promised to only focus on an issue that pisses off the right, with their anger pointed at one party, while the leftists disasters get completely ignored.

Personally I think it's time for Trump to tone it down and let us hear from the other candidates for a change.
If Trump were to tell the media, "so and so has a good idea, you should talk to him," it would give him more credibility, and likability.

He has also made very specific statement on handling Iran and ISIS while making the Saudis pick up the tab! Listen to him talk on the Iran deal and the ramifications of letting it stand! He is right on the money! He is not a one topic hero he is giving long in depth interviews! Last night Fox ran an in depth interview with Trump and Hannity! They also ran one of Trump and Bill O'Reilly! He is not dodging or afraid to answer!

Quote from: redbeard on August 17, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
He has also made very specific statement on handling Iran and ISIS while making the Saudis pick up the tab! Listen to him talk on the Iran deal and the ramifications of letting it stand! He is right on the money! He is not a one topic hero he is giving long in depth interviews! Last night Fox ran an in depth interview with Trump and Hannity! They also ran one of Trump and Bill O'Reilly! He is not dodging or afraid to answer!

But what does the LSM talk about? Trump and the illegal issue. The point is, either he's a pawn or in kahoots with the lSM.
If he's not, then he needs to broach another serious issue and force the Leftist media to focus on real issues, things that can be managed today, not 16 months from now when the public forgets what he said..