'Bout time somebody said it. No "hate," no "phobia," its just the truth and nobody from either party has the guts to say it. Have to give credit where credit is due.
QuoteDonald Trump would reverse President Obama's executive orders on immigration and deport all undocumented immigrants from the U.S. as president, he said in an exclusive interview with NBC's Chuck Todd.
"We're going to keep the families together, but they have to go," he said in the interview, which will air in full on NBC's "Meet the Press" this Sunday.
Pressed on what he'd do if the immigrants in question had nowhere to return to, Trump reiterated: "They have to go."
"We will work with them. They have to go. Chuck, we either have a country, or we don't have a country," he said
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/donald-trump-undocumented-immigrants-have-go-n410501
I wonder if Walker could say they have to go?
How would Donald do that?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 15, 2015, 10:04:06 PM
How would Donald do that?
So how do YOU think? I could do it. So can anyone detetmined to do the right thing. It's really not hard.
Here's a hint. ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS FOR STARTERS. They aren't "broken." Our politicians are.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 09:53:05 PM
I wonder if Walker could say they have to go?
Walker will say WORDS. It's not an issue to him except to get elected. I think it is with Trump.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 15, 2015, 10:04:06 PM
How would Donald do that?
Hehe good point, it's all just cheap rhetoric without any substance. Start checking everyone for their passport or documents will be seen as unconstitutional and doing it only to latino featured individuals will be racist. Trump is just pandering to the voters and splitting GOP base further.
It's impossible to throw all or even most illegal immigrants out, you can only stop most new ones from entering.
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 16, 2015, 09:52:36 AM
Hehe good point, it's all just cheap rhetoric without any substance. Start checking everyone for their passport or documents will be seen as unconstitutional and doing it only to latino featured individuals will be racist. Trump is just pandering to the voters and splitting GOP base further.
It's impossible to throw all or even most illegal immigrants out, you can only stop most new ones from entering.
THIS is how you never do anything. Seriously, some of you are a disappointment. I get that you don't think HE will do anything on this issue (he will). But don't pretend we, as a nation, can't! It's not hard. Still, well never accomplish anything with some of you nattering nabobs of negativism.
"Lead, follow, or just get out of the way!
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
THIS is how you never do anything. Seriously, some of you are a disappointment. I get that you don't think HE will do anything on this issue (he will). But don't pretend we, as a nation, can't! It's not hard. Still, well never accomplish anything with some of you nattering nabobs of negativism.
"Lead, follow, or just get out of the way!
So how do you propose to deport 20,000,000 illegal immigrants back to countries that will themselves do everything to block the deportation? Remember that these illegals send a lot of money back to their origin countries
(capital drain). Any Financial incentives would have to be enormous. You said yourself it's not hard...
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
THIS is how you never do anything. Seriously, some of you are a disappointment. I get that you don't think HE will do anything on this issue (he will). But don't pretend we, as a nation, can't! It's not hard. Still, well never accomplish anything with some of you nattering nabobs of negativism.
"Lead, follow, or just get out of the way!
As long as there are incentives there will be a flow of people to get them. Take away the incentives and the flow will soon trickle. I have yet to hear anyone promise to take away money benefits for those who are not here legally or/and to punish those who hire those who are here illegally with prison time. Too many people depend on illegals because of the cheap cost, make that cheap cost a high risk decision and we will start to fix the problem.
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 16, 2015, 10:37:42 AM
So how do you propose to deport 20,000,000 illegal immigrants back to countries that will themselves do everything to block the deportation? Remember that these illegals send a lot of money back to their origin countries (capital drain). Any Financial incentives would have to be enormous. You said yourself it's not hard...
Answers are given, but some of you keep throwing out the same old line the SUPPORTERS of ILLEGAL immigration use. Are you a supporter of ILLEGAL immigration?
"How do you deport 20 million illegals.?"
You REALLY DONT KNOW?I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll let you think about it to see if you can come up to with answers.
I did mention earlier BEGIN by enforcing the damn law. The People are with a president who will do that rather than pretend "the law is broken.". No, the laws are fine. The politicians are broken.
No go from there. How do we deport 20 million CRIMINALS Think it thru a little before asking to be spoon fed.
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 10:53:06 AM
Answers are given, but some of you keep throwing out the same old line the SUPPORTERS of ILLEGAL immigration use. Are you a supporter of ILLEGAL immigration?
"How do you deport 20 million illegals.?"
You REALLY DONT KNOW?I'm not going to spoon feed you. I'll let you think about it to see if you can come up to with answers.
I did mention earlier BEGIN by enforcing the damn law. The People are with a president who will do that rather than pretend "the law is broken.". No, the laws are fine. The politicians are broken.
No go from there. How do we deport 20 million CRIMINALS Think it thru a little before asking to be spoon fed.
Well lets see, first one would have to hire enough law enforcement at the federal level to go after 20,000,000 illegals, you have to house, clothe and feed the 20,000,000 illegals while waiting for a court appearance, if there is a court decision there will probably be an appeal, so more housing, clothing, and feeding for 20,000,000. Then there is transportation to the border for 20,000,000, which will need more federal l.e. Of course you can only drop them off at the border, to try to transport them into their country would technically be an invasion, and we have not been very good at that, not to mention the cost on that. Lets say all of this works, any idea what the cost would be, I have no idea, and after it works, what do you do with all of that federal l.e. that just got hired? that scares me more than the illegal problem. And we still have not fixed the problem of more crossing. Not to mention the problem that agriculture produce will be rotting in the fields by now. In other words deporting 20,000,000 is not a workable solution. Take away incentives for illegals, but figure out a way to get workers here legally, on time, where needed.
Quote from: s3779m on August 16, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Well lets see, first one would have to hire enough law enforcement at the federal level to go after 20,000,000 illegals, you have to house, clothe and feed the 20,000,000 illegals while waiting for a court appearance, if there is a court decision there will probably be an appeal, so more housing, clothing, and feeding for 20,000,000. Then there is transportation to the border for 20,000,000, which will need more federal l.e. Of course you can only drop them off at the border, to try to transport them into their country would technically be an invasion, and we have not been very good at that, not to mention the cost on that. Lets say all of this works, any idea what the cost would be, I have no idea, and after it works, what do you do with all of that federal l.e. that just got hired? that scares me more than the illegal problem. And we still have not fixed the problem of more crossing. Not to mention the problem that agriculture produce will be rotting in the fields by now. In other words deporting 20,000,000 is not a workable solution. Take away incentives for illegals, but figure out a way to get workers here legally, on time, where needed.
QuoteNot to mention the problem that agriculture produce will be rotting in the fields by now.
Put the unemployed in the fields. If they don't work, then no unemployment check also. If they do not wish to work in the fields they will find a job. I see load after load of old school buses taking people out to work in the fields. All coming from towns 40 to 50 miles away. Take the illegals and they will start going home on there own. We have law about who can work and who can not, just enforce the law we have. It would not take 20.000 new law enforcement badge holders.
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 03:35:58 AM
So how do YOU think? I could do it. So can anyone detetmined to do the right thing. It's really not hard.
Here's a hint. ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS FOR STARTERS. They aren't "broken." Our politicians are.
Yes I get that but they still have to go through the court system and that is where it breaks down.
Quote from: s3779m on August 16, 2015, 10:48:18 AM
As long as there are incentives there will be a flow of people to get them. Take away the incentives and the flow will soon trickle. I have yet to hear anyone promise to take away money benefits for those who are not here legally or/and to punish those who hire those who are here illegally with prison time. Too many people depend on illegals because of the cheap cost, make that cheap cost a high risk decision and we will start to fix the problem.
And that really is the answer, take away all the freebies, fine people that hire them, close the damn border, they'll leave on their own accord and won't be back.
Never going to happen, I don't care who gets into office.
Quote from: Dori on August 16, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
Never going to happen, I don't care who gets into office.
Your right. As long as they can count on YOUR attitude. It's the same attitude as Rubio and McCain and Shumer and Ted Kennedy the author of this mess.
Like I said, SOME of you really disappointed me. You wallow in negativity. No wonder we got Obama. You'll bitch about it day and night, but nothing will ever change because doing the right thing is "too hard" for you.
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
THIS is how you never do anything. Seriously, some of you are a disappointment. I get that you don't think HE will do anything on this issue (he will). But don't pretend we, as a nation, can't! It's not hard. Still, well never accomplish anything with some of you nattering nabobs of negativism.
"Lead, follow, or just get out of the way!
Whoa! There's a phrase out of the past!
Quote from: Solar on August 16, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
And that really is the answer, take away all the freebies, fine people that hire them, close the damn border, they'll leave on their own accord and won't be back.
:thumbsup: exactly! Enforce the damn laws, turn off the benefits and they WILL self deport. It's happened during the Obama depression. The jobs dried up - even for them- and a lot of them went home. This is easy. Why some want to make this a hard thing is beyond me.
Great article. Worth your time to read:
Legal Reasons a U.S. Immigrant May Be Deported (http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/legal-reasons-immigrant-may-be-deported.html)
Quote from: PeterR on August 16, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
Whoa! There's a phrase out of the past!
I always liked that phrase :lol:
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
Your right. As long as they can count on YOUR attitude. It's the same attitude as Rubio and McCain and Shumer and Ted Kennedy the author of this mess.
Like I said, SOME of you really disappointed me. You wallow in negativity. No wonder we got Obama. You'll bitch about it day and night, but nothing will ever change because doing the right thing is "too hard" for you.
Just what am I supposed to do about illegal immigration? Tell me, what do you do about illegal immigration outside of voting for someone you hope can reign it in.
Quote from: Solar on August 16, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
And that really is the answer, take away all the freebies, fine people that hire them, close the damn border, they'll leave on their own accord and won't be back.
Absolutely. This is not rocket science or brain surgery.
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
Your right. As long as they can count on YOUR attitude. It's the same attitude as Rubio and McCain and Shumer and Ted Kennedy the author of this mess.
Like I said, SOME of you really disappointed me. You wallow in negativity. No wonder we got Obama. You'll bitch about it day and night, but nothing will ever change because doing the right thing is "too hard" for you.
How do you do it? And don't just say enforce the laws because isn't enough. The system itself is unworkable.
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 02:26:24 PM
Your right. As long as they can count on YOUR attitude. It's the same attitude as Rubio and McCain and Shumer and Ted Kennedy the author of this mess.
Like I said, SOME of you really disappointed me. You wallow in negativity. No wonder we got Obama. You'll bitch about it day and night, but nothing will ever change because doing the right thing is "too hard" for you.
So besides blasting all of us for not being up to your standard, what have you done that we can latch onto?
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 16, 2015, 02:55:19 PM
Absolutely. This is not rocket science or brain surgery.
Yep, Las Vegas is a prime example, nearly 30% of the workforce left when the obozo depression hit, and that was only the beginning, and that workforce consisted primarily of illegals, most of which went back to Mexico.
In fact, it was this same labor force that the unions used to unseat TEA candidate Sharron Angle when she ran against Reid.
All we have to do is enforce the laws already on the books, cut off all support, see to it bilingual BS support ends, etc.
They'll simply up and leave.
Quote from: s3779m on August 16, 2015, 03:45:36 PM
So besides blasting all of us for not being up to your standard, what have you done that we can latch onto?
Do you lie, or just have trouble reading?
SOME of you disappoint me.
You disappoint me if you condemn Rubio who believes they can't be deported, so we have to settle. Here you tell us the same thing.
Why do you hate Rubio or McCain when you parrot his words?
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 04:04:43 PM
Do you lie, or just have trouble reading?
SOME of you disappoint me.
You disappoint me if you condemn Rubio who believes they can't be deported, so we have to settle. Here you tell us the same thing.
Why do you hate Rubio or McCain when you parrot his words?
Wait, you aren't saying you believe Rubio, are you? :lol:
Quote from: Solar on August 16, 2015, 04:07:05 PM
Wait, you aren't saying you believe Rubio, are you? :lol:
Rubio disappointed me when he joined Schumer and McCain on this issue. I think, in general, he's a good man though and worth keeping. I don't want him as president though because he also thinks this can't be fixed (fixed my way).
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 04:04:43 PM
Do you lie, or just have trouble reading?
SOME of you disappoint me.
You disappoint me if you condemn Rubio who believes they can't be deported, so we have to settle. Here you tell us the same thing.
Why do you hate Rubio or McCain when you parrot his words?
Ok, some of us disappoint you, still did not answer what have you done? Or answered how to deport 20,000,000. And I believe I did offer a solution or "do you have trouble reading"
Quote from: s3779m on August 16, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Well lets see, first one would have to hire enough law enforcement at the federal level to go after 20,000,000 illegals, you have to house, clothe and feed the 20,000,000 illegals while waiting for a court appearance, if there is a court decision there will probably be an appeal, so more housing, clothing, and feeding for 20,000,000. Then there is transportation to the border for 20,000,000, which will need more federal l.e. Of course you can only drop them off at the border, to try to transport them into their country would technically be an invasion, and we have not been very good at that, not to mention the cost on that. Lets say all of this works, any idea what the cost would be, I have no idea, and after it works, what do you do with all of that federal l.e. that just got hired? that scares me more than the illegal problem. And we still have not fixed the problem of more crossing. Not to mention the problem that agriculture produce will be rotting in the fields by now. In other words deporting 20,000,000 is not a workable solution. Take away incentives for illegals, but figure out a way to get workers here legally, on time, where needed.
Wrong...Wrong and wrong again.
They don;t have to hire anybody. All they need do is adopt a strict enforcement policy of the laws already on the books. They do need some fine tuning of the laws, they need to empower LOCAl/STATE Law enforcement to be able to enforce immigration law....which the Hussein admin fought tooth and nail because they knew how effective this would be. Their only (wrong again) counter to that was that Local Cops cannot enforce Federal Law which is the biggest bunch of horse manure ever. Local cops certainly have been enforcing a myriad of federal laws from Bank robbery, interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles RICO Statutes and especially DRUG LAWS. Holder got called on that he replied with some wimpy retort about Being an illegal is an administrative infraction not a criminal offense...wrong again.
Local Cops are most likely to encounter the aliens we need to get rid of first...criminal aliens. Other than that we need laws that penalizes anyone who hires illegals, rents them houses, gives them loans from the bank, allows them bank accounts or sales them motor vehicles or gives them a driver license. Then go after sanctuary cities, no federal funds to any such self declared cities & hold the city officials accountable and Lock their assses up...see how fast they recant
Deporting 20,000 or more illegals wouldn't be an overnight endeavor but I believe with the resources we have it is do-able, AFTER FIRST TURNING OFF THE SPIGOT at the border and STOP GIVING VISAS TO THOSE WHO POSE A THREAT ie from all muslim countries.
Even if congress would not enact such laws there are ways around it. In the old days, we had several (then) INS agents who worked with the city cops on Task forces. These guys would ride around with members of the detective bureau and when anyone encountered a suspected illegal they would be there, do an interview and arrest as needed, or file detainers against anyone arrested by the cops for something else. These people were working with us 24/7 and they really made an impact when we were going after the Rastafarian (Jamaican) Posse's who were shooting up DC trying to take over the drug trade.
I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
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I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.
You're actually suggesting landing the plane before kicking them out the door?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
Wrong...Wrong and wrong again.
They don;t have to hire anybody. All they need do is adopt a strict enforcement policy of the laws already on the books. They do need some fine tuning of the laws, they need to empower LOCAl/STATE Law enforcement to be able to enforce immigration law....which the Hussein admin fought tooth and nail because they knew how effective this would be. Their only (wrong again) counter to that was that Local Cops cannot enforce Federal Law which is the biggest bunch of horse manure ever. Local cops certainly have been enforcing a myriad of federal laws from Bank robbery, interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles RICO Statutes and especially DRUG LAWS. Holder got called on that he replied with some wimpy retort about Being an illegal is an administrative infraction not a criminal offense...wrong again.
Local Cops are most likely to encounter the aliens we need to get rid of first...criminal aliens. Other than that we need laws that penalizes anyone who hires illegals, rents them houses, gives them loans from the bank, allows them bank accounts or sales them motor vehicles or gives them a driver license. Then go after sanctuary cities, no federal funds to any such self declared cities & hold the city officials accountable and Lock their assses up...see how fast they recant
Deporting 20,000 or more illegals wouldn't be an overnight endeavor but I believe with the resources we have it is do-able, AFTER FIRST TURNING OFF THE SPIGOT at the border and STOP GIVING VISAS TO THOSE WHO POSE A THREAT ie from all muslim countries.
Even if congress would not enact such laws there are ways around it. In the old days, we had several (then) INS agents who worked with the city cops on Task forces. These guys would ride around with members of the detective bureau and when anyone encountered a suspected illegal they would be there, do an interview and arrest as needed, or file detainers against anyone arrested by the cops for something else. These people were working with us 24/7 and they really made an impact when we were going after the Rastafarian (Jamaican) Posse's who were shooting up DC trying to take over the drug trade.
I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Damn well said! And 90% would go home on their own (self deport) if the jobs and entitlements dried up when we simply ENFORCE THE LAWS. Next, the federal government needs to push the lazy out of the GOVERNMENT hammock. If they (Americans) don't want to work, whey won't eat. The truly needy Americans, well always help. But stop creating new dependents. They will now have jobs available, and a NEED to get a job.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
Wrong...Wrong and wrong again.
They don;t have to hire anybody. All they need do is adopt a strict enforcement policy of the laws already on the books. They do need some fine tuning of the laws, they need to empower LOCAl/STATE Law enforcement to be able to enforce immigration law....which the Hussein admin fought tooth and nail because they knew how effective this would be. Their only (wrong again) counter to that was that Local Cops cannot enforce Federal Law which is the biggest bunch of horse manure ever. Local cops certainly have been enforcing a myriad of federal laws from Bank robbery, interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles RICO Statutes and especially DRUG LAWS. Holder got called on that he replied with some wimpy retort about Being an illegal is an administrative infraction not a criminal offense...wrong again.
Local Cops are most likely to encounter the aliens we need to get rid of first...criminal aliens. Other than that we need laws that penalizes anyone who hires illegals, rents them houses, gives them loans from the bank, allows them bank accounts or sales them motor vehicles or gives them a driver license. Then go after sanctuary cities, no federal funds to any such self declared cities & hold the city officials accountable and Lock their assses up...see how fast they recant
Deporting 20,000 or more illegals wouldn't be an overnight endeavor but I believe with the resources we have it is do-able, AFTER FIRST TURNING OFF THE SPIGOT at the border and STOP GIVING VISAS TO THOSE WHO POSE A THREAT ie from all muslim countries.
Even if congress would not enact such laws there are ways around it. In the old days, we had several (then) INS agents who worked with the city cops on Task forces. These guys would ride around with members of the detective bureau and when anyone encountered a suspected illegal they would be there, do an interview and arrest as needed, or file detainers against anyone arrested by the cops for something else. These people were working with us 24/7 and they really made an impact when we were going after the Rastafarian (Jamaican) Posse's who were shooting up DC trying to take over the drug trade.
I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.
First off its 20,000,000 not 20,000. Second, it is a lot easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to take away the incentives illegals are coming over here for. I agree with everything you have stated that could be done, but if they were being done this thread would have never started in the first place.
Quote from: PeterR on August 16, 2015, 04:50:29 PM
You're actually suggesting landing the plane before kicking them out the door?
Well yeah but I'd actually Kick them with a size 12 boot.... :popcorn:
Quote from: s3779m on August 16, 2015, 04:57:43 PM
First off its 20,000,000 not 20,000. Second, it is a lot easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to take away the incentives illegals are coming over here for. I agree with everything you have stated that could be done, but if they were being done this thread would have never started in the first place.
Yup forgot a zero...sorry...But it has to be more than just "Hold employers responsible and dry up the jobs".. REMEMBER a lot of the criminals don;t work but sell drugs or get involved in other nefarious activity to support themselves. That's why I say, NO BANK ACCOUNTS, NO CREDIT CARDS, DON'T RENT THEM A RESIDENCE, No bank loans, sell them cars or motor cycles, NOTHING to facilitate their illegal stay in the USA. Of course no GOvt benefits anyone doing any of the aforementioned is considered aiding and abetting.
That might seem harsh to some but most Countries I've been in (legally of course)that have those very laws, you have to show proof you are legally int he country and a passport to get a bank account, rent a residence, use a credit card etc etc.
A big problem is after they are picked up. They are released and then sent a date for their deportation hearing and they never show up. They just disappear. Remedy that and half the battle is won.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 16, 2015, 05:24:47 PM
A big problem is after they are picked up. They are released and then sent a date for their deportation hearing and they never show up. They just disappear. Remedy that and half the battle is won.
Yep. They're ILLEGAL, but they're not stupid. I wouldn't show up either.
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 16, 2015, 09:52:36 AM
Hehe good point, it's all just cheap rhetoric without any substance. Start checking everyone for their passport or documents will be seen as unconstitutional and doing it only to latino featured individuals will be racist. Trump is just pandering to the voters and splitting GOP base further.
It's impossible to throw all or even most illegal immigrants out, you can only stop most new ones from entering.
The billions spent on benefits for illegals would be better spent on enforcing our immigration laws. Yes, the initial cost will be high, but long term costs will be low. Once the initial shock/anger from the left calms down, I think most Americans will appreciate fair enforcement of our laws and the reduced impact on our economy. JMHO
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 16, 2015, 05:24:47 PM
A big problem is after they are picked up. They are released and then sent a date for their deportation hearing and they never show up. They just disappear. Remedy that and half the battle is won.
Real easy way to solve that. Just have the Federal Govt Adopt a sitting Magistrate policy like the State of Virginia. There is a sitting MAgistrate on duty or on call with a 20 minutes response time in EVERY COUNTY and Municipality n the State Of Va. They decide probable cause and set bail and Approve warrants. They can Judge certain misdemeanor cases such as traffic and affix penalties.
All that is needed for a deportation is a sitting Magistrate to decide if there is PROBABLE CAUSE that the person is in the US illegally then out they go.
If the State Govt can manage a system thus then a Federal Sitting Magistrate could be done as well, all it would take would be reorganizing the duty roster a bit.
Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 04:10:53 PM
Rubio disappointed me when he joined Schumer and McCain on this issue. I think, in general, he's a good man though and worth keeping. I don't want him as president though because he also thinks this can't be fixed (fixed my way).
He didn't just suddenly join Johnny. When he was in Florida running for the Senate, he promised TEA he would push to build a fence, almost verbatim to what McCain was saying at the border in Az at the same time
The moment Rubio was elected, the Gang of Eight convened and the rest is history.
Now Rubio is at it again, telling the same lies using different words.
Bottom line, Rubio is a traitor to the Conservative movement, a full blown RINO.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM
Wrong...Wrong and wrong again.
They don;t have to hire anybody. All they need do is adopt a strict enforcement policy of the laws already on the books. They do need some fine tuning of the laws, they need to empower LOCAl/STATE Law enforcement to be able to enforce immigration law....which the Hussein admin fought tooth and nail because they knew how effective this would be. Their only (wrong again) counter to that was that Local Cops cannot enforce Federal Law which is the biggest bunch of horse manure ever. Local cops certainly have been enforcing a myriad of federal laws from Bank robbery, interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles RICO Statutes and especially DRUG LAWS. Holder got called on that he replied with some wimpy retort about Being an illegal is an administrative infraction not a criminal offense...wrong again.
Local Cops are most likely to encounter the aliens we need to get rid of first...criminal aliens. Other than that we need laws that penalizes anyone who hires illegals, rents them houses, gives them loans from the bank, allows them bank accounts or sales them motor vehicles or gives them a driver license. Then go after sanctuary cities, no federal funds to any such self declared cities & hold the city officials accountable and Lock their assses up...see how fast they recant
Deporting 20,000 or more illegals wouldn't be an overnight endeavor but I believe with the resources we have it is do-able, AFTER FIRST TURNING OFF THE SPIGOT at the border and STOP GIVING VISAS TO THOSE WHO POSE A THREAT ie from all muslim countries.
Even if congress would not enact such laws there are ways around it. In the old days, we had several (then) INS agents who worked with the city cops on Task forces. These guys would ride around with members of the detective bureau and when anyone encountered a suspected illegal they would be there, do an interview and arrest as needed, or file detainers against anyone arrested by the cops for something else. These people were working with us 24/7 and they really made an impact when we were going after the Rastafarian (Jamaican) Posse's who were shooting up DC trying to take over the drug trade.
I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.
Stop using illegal as the term is false, it is undocumented please, don't want to be politically incorrect here :tounge:
Many of the illegal immigrants come from central American countries, what if they don't want to take them back?
There were around 400,000 deportations in 2013, roughly estimated there is 200,000 yearly illegal immigrants. But the number of illegals in the US keep rising which doesn't make much sense. And then there are the children born of illegal immigrants. But even if the statistics are true and you doubled the amount of deportations it would still take 50 or more years to deport every illegal immigrant.
Of course you can reduce benefit or eliminate welfare, but then you would have to work against the state bureaucracy. And nobody is talking about eliminating welfare so that is probably not going to happen.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
Yup forgot a zero...sorry...But it has to be more than just "Hold employers responsible and dry up the jobs".. REMEMBER a lot of the criminals don;t work but sell drugs or get involved in other nefarious activity to support themselves. That's why I say, NO BANK ACCOUNTS, NO CREDIT CARDS, DON'T RENT THEM A RESIDENCE, No bank loans, sell them cars or motor cycles, NOTHING to facilitate their illegal stay in the USA. Of course no GOvt benefits anyone doing any of the aforementioned is considered aiding and abetting.
That might seem harsh to some but most Countries I've been in (legally of course)that have those very laws, you have to show proof you are legally int he country and a passport to get a bank account, rent a residence, use a credit card etc etc.
No its not harsh, having those kind of accounts here is a privilege for our citizens and legals, and should not be a benefit for illegals.
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 17, 2015, 12:07:18 AMMany of the illegal immigrants come from central American countries, what if they don't want to take them back?
These are coming from primarily central America
QuoteAbout 135 unaccompanied children, on average, were caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border each day in July.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/cbp-135-unaccompanied-children-caught-us-border-day-july,
Quote from: Dori on August 17, 2015, 09:59:44 AM
These are coming from primarily central America.
Not to say they have anything on our domestic produced lunatics.
http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/16/louis-farrakhan-white-people-deserve-to-die/
Quote from: red_dirt on August 17, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
Not to say they have anything on our domestic produced lunatics.
http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/16/louis-farrakhan-white-people-deserve-to-die/
Maybe we should do a trade. :biggrin:
For every one of theirs, we'll send them one of ours.
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.
Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.
You make a very good point. While it may have merit as I doubt our forefathers could foresee what is happening. However, it couldn't just be changed. This is an example of Trump being a lot of words.
Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.
It's not in the Constitution, it's just been a policy.
So there's no need to change a thing, just quit doing it.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
The clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was included specifically to exclude Indians from citizenship. (Their citizenship was granted by an act of Congress in the 1920s.) They were NOT citizens, even though they WERE born here!
It is clear that an illegal alien, is trespassing, and not submitting to the jurisdiction (laws) of the United States. Just like the Indians before 1920, they and their children are NOT citizens.
Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2015, 12:30:20 PM
It's not in the Constitution, it's just been a policy.
So there's no need to change a thing, just quit doing it.
The immigration department needs an enema.
Example from my town: American man and Mexican wife on visa have been trying for six years to
get her citizenship naturalized. What's the hold up? Well, for starters, they pay nearly $5,000 per year for visa renewal. Get my drift? I bet there are thousands like this. She owns and operates her own business, employs six.
Another: a couple of Gringos run farm labor crews. Make the check out to them.
This kind of practice used to be associated with big city Democratic machines. Now it is both parties at all levels. Do I exaggerate? Look at the White House. :cool:
Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the "birth citizenship" clause. Only the manner in which it is currently being employed, mainly, by Mexicans in this country illegally.
When rounded up for deportation, a couple with a "anchor baby" (or more) has the choice of taking their child(ren) with them when they leave for their country of origin, or, they can make their "anchor babies" (who are, after all, American citizens) wards of the State before they leave. (We still run orphanages in this country, don't we?)
No Constitutional Amendment necessary. Hell, an Obama Executive Order would suffice. Right?
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 15, 2015, 09:53:05 PM
I wonder if Walker could say they have to go?
QuoteScott Walker Weighs In on Birthright Citizenship Debate
Republican presidential candidate Scott Walker said Monday that he believes the children of undocumented immigrants shouldn't automatically have a right to American citizenship if they're born in the United States.
Asked by msnbc if birthright citizenship should be ended, the Wisconsin governor replied: "Yeah, to me it's about enforcing the laws in this country. And I've been very clear, I think you enforce the laws, and I think it's important to send a message that we're going to enforce the laws, no matter how people come here we're going to enforce the laws."
Ending birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants is part of GOP front-runner Donald Trump's immigration plan, first outlined Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."
On Monday morning, Walker told "Fox and Friends" that his own immigration plan is "similar" to the plan Trump outlined.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/scott-walker-weighs-birthright-citizenship-debate-n411256
I suspect we will see more candidates getting more specific on a lot of issues! Trump is forcing the debate and good for him! :popcorn: :popcorn:
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform)
America is with him on this. Nobody else will go this far. Ted Cruz to s the only one I THINK may enforce the border.
From RushLimbaugh.com
QuoteTrump hasn't faded. He's not shown any signs up of fading yet. He goes on Meet the Press yesterday and, have to tell you, the establishment is shocked, angry, saddened. He came off as presidential. He had a serious immigration plan. And the key to Trump's immigration plan is that it almost dovetails exactly with public opinion on immigration. You know, it's kind of stunning. We got 16 Republican candidates now, and there's only one of them -- only one -- with a unique view or different view on immigration. It's Trump.
Sen. Sessions: Trump's America-first immigration plan 'exactly' what American needs (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sessions-trumps-america-first-immigration-plan-exactly-what-american-needs/article/2570297)
Quote from: redbeard on August 17, 2015, 04:31:43 PM
I suspect we will see more candidates getting more specific on a lot of issues! Trump is forcing the debate and good for him! :popcorn: :popcorn:
Yes, it's true, but that's it, a kind on one hit wonder, sucking the air out of the room, while equally dire issues are taking place, like Iran getting a nuke, or the racial division that the Marxist exacerbated to divide the country, and the list goes on and on.
I'm starting to think he made a deal with the LSM to keep him front and center and he promised to only focus on an issue that pisses off the right, with their anger pointed at one party, while the leftists disasters get completely ignored.
Personally I think it's time for Trump to tone it down and let us hear from the other candidates for a change.
If Trump were to tell the media, "so and so has a good idea, you should talk to him," it would give him more credibility, and likability.
Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 11:36:35 AM
Trump also says he'd end birth citizenship, uh how exactly is he planning to do that? Amend the Constitution, or are we just going to ignore that document yet again? We've had enough of a POTUS that ignores the Constitution when it suits him to do so.
How about a COnsitutional amdt duly passed by congress?
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 17, 2015, 12:07:18 AM
Stop using illegal as the term is false, it is undocumented please, don't want to be politically incorrect here :tounge:
Many of the illegal immigrants come from central American countries, what if they don't want to take them back?
There were around 400,000 deportations in 2013, roughly estimated there is 200,000 yearly illegal immigrants. But the number of illegals in the US keep rising which doesn't make much sense. And then there are the children born of illegal immigrants. But even if the statistics are true and you doubled the amount of deportations it would still take 50 or more years to deport every illegal immigrant.
Of course you can reduce benefit or eliminate welfare, but then you would have to work against the state bureaucracy. And nobody is talking about eliminating welfare so that is probably not going to happen.
Notice how more politicians and even the MSM jerks are using the term "illegal" more....I see that as progress....
I really question your statement about this process taking 50 years. Using the current bumbling system which is not meant to be serious maybe. But a sweeping reinvigoration of our existing immigration laws, bolstered by a few new ones could really have an impact in as little as three years.
Here is my other proposal:
Due to the fact illegally entering the USA or remaining past the time limit on a visa is a CRIME, then all assets of said crime could be legally seized by the Federal or State Govt. Said assets being Bank account, real property and vehciles just to name a few. This is already done under RICO asset forefiture laws. It could be applied to illegals as well especially the illegals involved in drug trafficking or those involved in other types of organized HUMAN SMUGGLING. The product being the illegals themselves, illegal labor and child trafficking laws, prostitution etc.
I'd apply such laws and find an Attorney General who would do so and announce the following:
All illegals have a 90 day grace period in which to liquidate their assets and self deport. ANy assets found after this 90 days will be seized and the persons found remaining in the USA illegally will be deported.
ANyone found smuggling children into the USA will be fined 25K, and subject to 10 years in a federal prison. This includes persons who smuggle "dream act" children into the USA over the last twenty years.
Backed up with severe security on ALL borders and reduction in legal immigration and a re focus of resources on existing laws I bet there would be a mass scramble for the exits.
Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2015, 05:15:22 PM
Yes, it's true, but that's it, a kind on one hit wonder, sucking the air out of the room, while equally dire issues are taking place, like Iran getting a nuke, or the racial division that the Marxist exacerbated to divide the country, and the list goes on and on.
I'm starting to think he made a deal with the LSM to keep him front and center and he promised to only focus on an issue that pisses off the right, with their anger pointed at one party, while the leftists disasters get completely ignored.
Personally I think it's time for Trump to tone it down and let us hear from the other candidates for a change.
If Trump were to tell the media, "so and so has a good idea, you should talk to him," it would give him more credibility, and likability.
He has also made very specific statement on handling Iran and ISIS while making the Saudis pick up the tab! Listen to him talk on the Iran deal and the ramifications of letting it stand! He is right on the money! He is not a one topic hero he is giving long in depth interviews! Last night Fox ran an in depth interview with Trump and Hannity! They also ran one of Trump and Bill O'Reilly! He is not dodging or afraid to answer!
Quote from: redbeard on August 17, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
He has also made very specific statement on handling Iran and ISIS while making the Saudis pick up the tab! Listen to him talk on the Iran deal and the ramifications of letting it stand! He is right on the money! He is not a one topic hero he is giving long in depth interviews! Last night Fox ran an in depth interview with Trump and Hannity! They also ran one of Trump and Bill O'Reilly! He is not dodging or afraid to answer!
But what does the LSM talk about? Trump and the illegal issue. The point is, either he's a pawn or in kahoots with the lSM.
If he's not, then he needs to broach another serious issue and force the Leftist media to focus on real issues, things that can be managed today, not 16 months from now when the public forgets what he said..
Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2015, 05:51:10 PM
But what does the LSM talk about? Trump and the illegal issue. The point is, either he's a pawn or in kahoots with the lSM.
If he's not, then he needs to broach another serious issue and force the Leftist media to focus on real issues, things that can be managed today, not 16 months from now when the public forgets what he said..
How about the detailed plan he laid out to force companies to return jobs to America? Limiting visas to skilled emigrants that undercut wage scales of American workers? Are these what your talking about? So isn't he!
:love:
Quote from: Dori on August 16, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
Never going to happen, I don't care who gets into office.
Wanna bet make me POTUS I'll resign six months after taking office, won't run for re-election to any office and WILL end ISIS as well as the border problem. However I doubt you'd have the stomach for what it would take to do that. :sleep:
Quote from: redbeard on August 17, 2015, 05:57:12 PM
How about the detailed plan he laid out to force companies to return jobs to America? Limiting visas to skilled emigrants that undercut wage scales of American workers? Are these what your talking about? So isn't he!
You missed the point, the LSM isn't, and it's incumbent upon him to see that they do.
But like I said, he needs to focus on something that needs fixed immediately, like the riots and how the Marxist fuels the dissent, corner the bastard, make him address how he attends the funeral of a thug and ignores the police that were murdered.
If he's serious, he needs to take it to the source, challenge the ass hole responsible.
Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2015, 06:10:50 PM
You missed the point, the LSM isn't, and it's incumbent upon him to see that they do.
But like I said, he needs to focus on something that needs fixed immediately, like the riots and how the Marxist fuels the dissent, corner the bastard, make him address how he attends the funeral of a thug and ignores the police that were murdered.
If he's serious, he needs to take it to the source, challenge the ass hole responsible.
Isn't he doing that with the Iranian deal? He has been out blowing it apart at a very bad deal for America!
Quote from: redbeard on August 17, 2015, 06:23:50 PM
Isn't he doing that with the Iranian deal? He has been out blowing it apart at a very bad deal for America!
Uh, so is Hussein's very own party.
Trump has the podium at the moment, he's in a position of leadership and is squandering it.
Think about it, he's positioned like no one since Reagan, where he demands the medias attention, he could take Hussein to task and shred the Marxist and the Dim party, yet he doesn't.
Sorry, the guy isn't serious.
Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2015, 07:26:05 PM
Uh, so is Hussein's very own party.
Trump has the podium at the moment, he's in a position of leadership and is squandering it.
Think about it, he's positioned like no one since Reagan, where he demands the medias attention, he could take Hussein to task and shred the Marxist and the Dim party, yet he doesn't.
Sorry, the guy isn't serious.
Don't have to apologize to me about Trump! He is not my guy. I still lean Walker and Cruz but I am paying attention to him and others like I always do!
Quote from: daidalos on August 17, 2015, 06:06:17 PM
:love:Wanna bet make me POTUS I'll resign six months after taking office, won't run for re-election to any office and WILL end ISIS as well as the border problem. However I doubt you'd have the stomach for what it would take to do that. :sleep:
I don't know about that. I think you might be surprised to see what I would do.
Quote from: Dori on August 17, 2015, 07:40:26 PM
I don't know about that. I think you might be surprised to see what I would do.
Point made and taken. :lol:
Mark Levin lays bare the anchor baby issue on his radio show and in his new book, "Plunder and Deceit." He does it very well. I couldn't do him justice, but the general principle in law is that when a woman or a couple has a child in America, that child is automatically considered to be under the jurisdiction on the parents. If the parents are citizens of Peru, then so is the child. It is really not that complicated.
What should be obvious is that the Supreme Court is now a political entity of the left wing. The left is falling over each other in a rush to have the Supreme Court enact anchor baby legislation, as part of the agenda to gain political power.
Quote from: Solar on August 16, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
And that really is the answer, take away all the freebies, fine people that hire them, close the damn border, they'll leave on their own accord and won't be back.
Solar to heck with simply fining those who employ them. Jail those who do as well. There is zero excuse, in this day of E-verify, for anyone who employs illegal invaders.