Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM





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I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.

You're actually suggesting landing the plane before kicking them out the door?

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM


Wrong...Wrong and wrong again.

They don;t have to hire anybody. All they need do is adopt a strict enforcement policy of the laws already on the books. They do need some fine tuning of the laws, they need to empower LOCAl/STATE Law enforcement to be able to enforce immigration law....which the Hussein admin fought tooth and nail because they knew how effective this would be. Their only (wrong again) counter to that was that Local Cops cannot enforce Federal Law which is the biggest bunch of horse manure ever. Local cops certainly have been enforcing a myriad of federal laws from Bank robbery, interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles RICO Statutes and especially DRUG LAWS. Holder got called on that he replied with some wimpy retort about Being an illegal is an administrative infraction not a criminal offense...wrong again.

Local Cops are most likely to encounter the aliens we need to get rid of first...criminal aliens. Other than that we need laws that penalizes anyone who hires illegals, rents them houses, gives them loans from the bank, allows them bank accounts or sales them motor vehicles or gives them a driver license. Then go after sanctuary cities, no federal funds to any such self declared cities & hold the city officials accountable and Lock their assses up...see how fast they recant

Deporting 20,000 or more illegals wouldn't be an overnight endeavor but I believe with the resources we have it is do-able, AFTER FIRST TURNING OFF THE SPIGOT at the border and STOP GIVING VISAS TO THOSE WHO POSE A THREAT ie from all muslim countries.

Even if congress would not enact such laws there are ways around it. In the old days, we had several (then) INS agents who worked with the city cops on Task forces. These guys would ride around with members of the detective bureau and when anyone encountered a suspected illegal they would be there, do an interview and arrest as needed, or file detainers against anyone arrested by the cops for something else. These people were working with us 24/7 and they really made an impact when we were going after the Rastafarian (Jamaican) Posse's who were shooting up DC trying to take over the drug trade.

I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.

Damn well said! And 90% would go home on their own (self deport) if the jobs and entitlements dried up when we simply ENFORCE THE LAWS. Next, the federal government needs to push the lazy out of the GOVERNMENT hammock. If they (Americans) don't want to work, whey won't eat. The truly needy Americans, well always help. But stop creating new dependents. They will now have jobs available, and a NEED to get a job.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM


Wrong...Wrong and wrong again.

They don;t have to hire anybody. All they need do is adopt a strict enforcement policy of the laws already on the books. They do need some fine tuning of the laws, they need to empower LOCAl/STATE Law enforcement to be able to enforce immigration law....which the Hussein admin fought tooth and nail because they knew how effective this would be. Their only (wrong again) counter to that was that Local Cops cannot enforce Federal Law which is the biggest bunch of horse manure ever. Local cops certainly have been enforcing a myriad of federal laws from Bank robbery, interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles RICO Statutes and especially DRUG LAWS. Holder got called on that he replied with some wimpy retort about Being an illegal is an administrative infraction not a criminal offense...wrong again.

Local Cops are most likely to encounter the aliens we need to get rid of first...criminal aliens. Other than that we need laws that penalizes anyone who hires illegals, rents them houses, gives them loans from the bank, allows them bank accounts or sales them motor vehicles or gives them a driver license. Then go after sanctuary cities, no federal funds to any such self declared cities & hold the city officials accountable and Lock their assses up...see how fast they recant

Deporting 20,000 or more illegals wouldn't be an overnight endeavor but I believe with the resources we have it is do-able, AFTER FIRST TURNING OFF THE SPIGOT at the border and STOP GIVING VISAS TO THOSE WHO POSE A THREAT ie from all muslim countries.

Even if congress would not enact such laws there are ways around it. In the old days, we had several (then) INS agents who worked with the city cops on Task forces. These guys would ride around with members of the detective bureau and when anyone encountered a suspected illegal they would be there, do an interview and arrest as needed, or file detainers against anyone arrested by the cops for something else. These people were working with us 24/7 and they really made an impact when we were going after the Rastafarian (Jamaican) Posse's who were shooting up DC trying to take over the drug trade.

I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.

First off its 20,000,000 not 20,000. Second, it is a lot easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to take away the incentives illegals are coming over here for. I agree with everything you have stated that could be done, but if they were being done this thread would have never started in the first place.

Quote from: PeterR on August 16, 2015, 04:50:29 PM


You're actually suggesting landing the plane before kicking them out the door?

Well yeah but I'd actually  Kick them with a size 12 boot....

Quote from: s3779m on August 16, 2015, 04:57:43 PM
First off its 20,000,000 not 20,000. Second, it is a lot easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to take away the incentives illegals are coming over here for. I agree with everything you have stated that could be done, but if they were being done this thread would have never started in the first place.

Yup forgot a zero...sorry...But it has to be more than just "Hold employers responsible and dry up the jobs".. REMEMBER a lot of the criminals don;t work but sell drugs or get involved in other nefarious activity to support themselves. That's why I say, NO BANK ACCOUNTS, NO CREDIT CARDS, DON'T RENT THEM A RESIDENCE, No bank loans,  sell them cars or motor cycles, NOTHING to facilitate their illegal stay in the USA. Of course no GOvt benefits anyone doing any of the aforementioned is considered aiding and abetting.

That might seem harsh to some but most Countries I've been in (legally of course)that have those very laws, you have to show proof you are legally int he country and a passport to get a bank account, rent a residence, use a credit card etc etc.

A big problem is after they are picked up. They are released and then sent a date for their deportation hearing and they never show up. They just disappear. Remedy that and half the battle is won.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 16, 2015, 05:24:47 PM
A big problem is after they are picked up. They are released and then sent a date for their deportation hearing and they never show up. They just disappear. Remedy that and half the battle is won.

Yep. They're ILLEGAL, but they're not stupid. I wouldn't show up either.

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 16, 2015, 09:52:36 AM
Hehe good point, it's all just cheap rhetoric without any substance. Start checking everyone for their passport or documents will be seen as unconstitutional and doing it only to latino featured individuals will be racist. Trump is just pandering to the voters and splitting GOP base further.

It's impossible to throw all or even most illegal immigrants out, you can only stop most new ones from entering.

The billions spent on benefits for illegals would be better spent on enforcing our immigration laws. Yes, the initial cost will be high, but long term costs will be low. Once the initial shock/anger from the left calms down, I think most Americans will appreciate fair enforcement of our laws and the reduced impact on our economy. JMHO 

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 16, 2015, 05:24:47 PM
A big problem is after they are picked up. They are released and then sent a date for their deportation hearing and they never show up. They just disappear. Remedy that and half the battle is won.

Real easy way to solve that. Just have the Federal Govt Adopt a sitting Magistrate policy like the State of Virginia. There is a sitting MAgistrate on duty or on call with a 20 minutes response time in EVERY COUNTY and Municipality n the State Of Va. They decide probable cause and set bail and Approve warrants. They can Judge certain misdemeanor cases such as traffic and affix penalties.

All that is needed for a deportation is a sitting Magistrate to decide if there is PROBABLE CAUSE that the person is in the US illegally then out they go.

If the State Govt can manage a system thus then a Federal Sitting Magistrate could be done as well, all it would take would be reorganizing the duty roster a bit.

Quote from: carlb on August 16, 2015, 04:10:53 PM
Rubio disappointed me when he joined Schumer and McCain on this issue. I think, in general, he's a good man though and worth keeping. I don't want him as president though because he also thinks this can't be fixed (fixed my way).

He didn't just suddenly join Johnny. When he was in Florida running for the Senate, he promised TEA he would push to build a fence, almost verbatim to what McCain was saying at the  border in Az at the same time
The moment Rubio was elected, the Gang of Eight convened and the rest is history.
Now Rubio is at it again, telling the same lies using different words.
Bottom line, Rubio is a traitor to the Conservative movement, a full blown RINO.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 04:42:40 PM


Wrong...Wrong and wrong again.

They don;t have to hire anybody. All they need do is adopt a strict enforcement policy of the laws already on the books. They do need some fine tuning of the laws, they need to empower LOCAl/STATE Law enforcement to be able to enforce immigration law....which the Hussein admin fought tooth and nail because they knew how effective this would be. Their only (wrong again) counter to that was that Local Cops cannot enforce Federal Law which is the biggest bunch of horse manure ever. Local cops certainly have been enforcing a myriad of federal laws from Bank robbery, interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicles RICO Statutes and especially DRUG LAWS. Holder got called on that he replied with some wimpy retort about Being an illegal is an administrative infraction not a criminal offense...wrong again.

Local Cops are most likely to encounter the aliens we need to get rid of first...criminal aliens. Other than that we need laws that penalizes anyone who hires illegals, rents them houses, gives them loans from the bank, allows them bank accounts or sales them motor vehicles or gives them a driver license. Then go after sanctuary cities, no federal funds to any such self declared cities & hold the city officials accountable and Lock their assses up...see how fast they recant

Deporting 20,000 or more illegals wouldn't be an overnight endeavor but I believe with the resources we have it is do-able, AFTER FIRST TURNING OFF THE SPIGOT at the border and STOP GIVING VISAS TO THOSE WHO POSE A THREAT ie from all muslim countries.

Even if congress would not enact such laws there are ways around it. In the old days, we had several (then) INS agents who worked with the city cops on Task forces. These guys would ride around with members of the detective bureau and when anyone encountered a suspected illegal they would be there, do an interview and arrest as needed, or file detainers against anyone arrested by the cops for something else. These people were working with us 24/7 and they really made an impact when we were going after the Rastafarian (Jamaican) Posse's who were shooting up DC trying to take over the drug trade.

I take these people to the nearest airport, have US Military C-130's outfitted for passenger travel and fly them back under armed fighter escort to Mexico and kick 'em out the door once on the ground....simple..You have to have somebody with the cojones to do that. And a polictian who has the brains to listen to people who could make it come to fruition.

Stop using illegal as the term is false, it is undocumented please, don't want to be politically incorrect here 

Many of the illegal immigrants come from central American countries, what if they don't want to take them back?
There were around 400,000 deportations in 2013, roughly estimated there is 200,000 yearly illegal immigrants. But the number of illegals in the US keep rising which doesn't make much sense. And then there are the children born of illegal immigrants. But even if the statistics are true and you doubled the amount of deportations it would still take 50 or more years to deport every illegal immigrant.

Of course you can reduce benefit or eliminate welfare, but then you would have to work against the state bureaucracy. And nobody is talking about eliminating welfare so that is probably not going to happen.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 16, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
Yup forgot a zero...sorry...But it has to be more than just "Hold employers responsible and dry up the jobs".. REMEMBER a lot of the criminals don;t work but sell drugs or get involved in other nefarious activity to support themselves. That's why I say, NO BANK ACCOUNTS, NO CREDIT CARDS, DON'T RENT THEM A RESIDENCE, No bank loans,  sell them cars or motor cycles, NOTHING to facilitate their illegal stay in the USA. Of course no GOvt benefits anyone doing any of the aforementioned is considered aiding and abetting.

That might seem harsh to some but most Countries I've been in (legally of course)that have those very laws, you have to show proof you are legally int he country and a passport to get a bank account, rent a residence, use a credit card etc etc.

No its not harsh, having those kind of accounts here is a privilege for our citizens and legals, and should not be a benefit for illegals.

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 17, 2015, 12:07:18 AMMany of the illegal immigrants come from central American countries, what if they don't want to take them back?

These are coming from primarily central America

QuoteAbout 135 unaccompanied children, on average, were caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border each day in July.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/cbp-135-unaccompanied-children-caught-us-border-day-july,

Quote from: Dori on August 17, 2015, 09:59:44 AM
These are coming from primarily central America.

Not to say they have anything on our domestic produced lunatics.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/16/louis-farrakhan-white-people-deserve-to-die/

Quote from: red_dirt on August 17, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
Not to say they have anything on our domestic produced lunatics.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/16/louis-farrakhan-white-people-deserve-to-die/

Maybe we should do a trade.   

For every one of theirs, we'll send them one of ours.