Quote from: T Hunt on December 20, 2020, 07:36:18 PM
And all were leftist and racist. Racism isnt part of the conservative philosophy the way it is part of the left wing philosophy.

Wrong. They were the conservatives of their day just as Jefferson with his "3/5ths. human" declaration was, and attempts by Republicans today to eliminate the voting rights of minorities are. Even the fact that the  violations of the rights of immigrants is one of conservative "values"..

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 21, 2020, 03:18:32 PM
Wrong. They were the conservatives of their day just as Jefferson with his "3/5ths. human" declaration was, and attempts by Republicans today to eliminate the voting rights of minorities are. Even the fact that the  violations of the rights of immigrants is one of conservative "values"..

Do explain the 3/5ths human thingy democrat kalnsman...

Quote from: Owebo on December 21, 2020, 03:21:46 PM
Do explain the 3/5ths human thingy democrat kalnsman...

Really quite simple even for lower intellect individuals like you. Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."/slaves. The Constitutional Convention addressed the apportionment in the House of Representatives and the number of electoral votes each state would have in presidential elections based on a state's population. The Southern states wanted to count the entire slave population. This would increase their number of members of Congress. The Northern delegates and others opposed to slavery wanted to count only free persons, including free blacks in the North and South. The "compromise", as it is called, minimizes the percentage of the slave population counted for apportionment and reduces the political power of slave states.

That is a basic explanation even one such as you should understand. And it legalized slavery as did many laws to follow.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 21, 2020, 03:38:40 PM
Really quite simple even for lower intellect individuals like you. Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."/slaves. The Constitutional Convention addressed the apportionment in the House of Representatives and the number of electoral votes each state would have in presidential elections based on a state's population. The Southern states wanted to count the entire slave population. This would increase their number of members of Congress. The Northern delegates and others opposed to slavery wanted to count only free persons, including free blacks in the North and South. The "compromise", as it is called, minimizes the percentage of the slave population counted for apportionment and reduces the political power of slave states.

That is a basic explanation even one such as you should understand. And it legalized slavery as did many laws to follow.

Oh, so conservatives made blacks 3/5ths more of a person than you liberals did....huh....

Didn't they start the Republican Party to give blacks the other 2/5ths and end your democrat slavery? 

Quote from: Owebo on December 21, 2020, 03:41:20 PM
Oh, so conservatives made blacks 3/5ths more of a person than you liberals did....huh....

Didn't they start the Republican Party to give blacks the other 2/5ths and end your democrat slavery?

Next he is going to try and tell us LBJ was a republican.

Quote from: Possum on December 21, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Next he is going to try and tell us LBJ was a republican.

Liberal Democrats will twist, lie, deny and scuttle truth to suit their purpose. So yes, if Democrats thought it would help their "cause" and that you would believe them, they WOULD try to claim that LBJ was a Republican. Democrats have attempted to brand Conservatives with the "White Supremacist" moniker even though the KKK was created, developed and is still supported BY DEMOCRATS AND THE DNC.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 21, 2020, 03:18:32 PM
Wrong. They were the conservatives of their day just as Jefferson with his "3/5ths. human" declaration was, and attempts by Republicans today to eliminate the voting rights of minorities are. Even the fact that the  violations of the rights of immigrants is one of conservative "values"..

You're stupid.  The 3/5ths was a compromise, many didn't want to count slaves.  This was a way to at least begin to get rid of slavery, which the republicans did.  Of the 13 colonies all had to agree, the slavery issue was a big road block that had to be dealt with somehow.  So the beginning of that process to end slavery began by giving them some standing.

Quote: Many of the Founding Fathers acknowledged that slavery violated the ideal of liberty that was so central to the American Revolution, but, because they were committed to the sanctity of private property rights, the principles of limited government, and the pursuit of intersectional harmony, they were unable to take bold action against slavery. Moreover, the Southern Founders' thoroughgoing embrace of slave-based agriculture and their deeply ingrained racial prejudice solidified the barriers against emancipation. That the Continental Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's statement regarding the injustice of the slave trade (and, by implication, slavery) from the final version of the Declaration of Independence is emblematic of the Founders' resolve to subordinate the controversial issue of slavery to the larger goal of securing the unity and independence of the United States.

What voting rights are being threatened.  And which immigrants are you talking about.  You really are stupid and I'm being nice.

Quote from: Owebo on December 21, 2020, 03:41:20 PM
Oh, so conservatives made blacks 3/5ths more of a person than you liberals did....huh....

Didn't they start the Republican Party to give blacks the other 2/5ths and end your democrat slavery?

If you were to study the history of the process beginning in Ripon, Wi., you would find that that was part of the objective., and it began with 6 Democrats, and 1, or 2, Independents. The main objective was to stop the spread of slavery to the Northern States. In any event, slave owners of that day were conservatives, not liberals.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 16, 2020, 04:30:10 PM
I, personally, don't think we're a divided country.

None of the divisions portrayed on TV occur when I step outside of my house. Everyone seems to get along fine.

And all of the topics of discussion online are of no, or little concern to the average person.

Ignorance is bliss and that's why we get the piss poor elected officials that we do. Be sure to point to Trump in response because you are as predictable as yesterday's weather.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 21, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
If you were to study the history of the process beginning in Ripon, Wi., you would find that that was part of the objective., and it began with 6 Democrats, and 1, or 2, Independents. The main objective was to stop the spread of slavery to the Northern States. In any event, slave owners of that day were conservatives, not liberals.

You democrats are still pissed we freed you slaves....

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 16, 2020, 04:30:10 PM
I, personally, don't think we're a divided country.

How dare you speak against the DNC order!

QuoteNone of the divisions portrayed on TV occur when I step outside of my house. Everyone seems to get along fine.

So you do agree, the left is trying to divide and conquer but failed miserably? Good for you...

QuoteAnd all of the topics of discussion online are of no, or little concern to the average person.

We are representative of the American movement Hell bent on taking out the Marxist party, so yeah, we matter!

Quote from: Solar on December 17, 2020, 05:43:25 AM
I assumed everyone knew what I meant. There are no such thing as actual blue states.

Logic would then tell a person tat there are no "Red States" since in every State there are pockets of both.

And in most, even blue states, 70-80 percent of counties are red.

But in one state, for example, NYC or Pennsylvania, in the red counties, the situation with patients with the Chinese virus is within the statistics, then in the blue counties and cities, the Demofascist authorities staged genocide for their citizens, such as in the city of NY, where the idiot Di Blasio ordered take people with coronavirus to nursing homes, when they infected the elderly, who died there in monstrous numbers.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 22, 2020, 11:45:59 AM
Logic would then tell a person tat there are no "Red States" since in every State there are pockets of both.

There is one blue state, the rest are in essence a mix or red.

Quote from: Solar on December 22, 2020, 11:59:39 AM
There is one blue state, the rest are in essence a mix or red.

America is purple. The data proves that.

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