Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Again with this crap?
I asked you last time and you avoided it, how about an answer this time?

"How about explaining what's wrong with Trump for starters!"

1) Multiple divorces
2) Chasing women (few things disgust me more than pussy hounds).
3) Use of extreme vulgar language.
4) Insulting and denigrating people.
5) His slavish devotion to transactional personal conduct.
6) His need for public praise and validation.

Of course that's "for starters"

I can also list the policies the Trump administration has advanced and supported that I'm in favor of as well and which is why I voted for his reelection.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 18, 2020, 06:06:45 PM
1) Multiple divorces
2) Chasing women (few things disgust me more than pussy hounds).
3) Use of extreme vulgar language.
4) Insulting and denigrating people.
5) His slavish devotion to transactional personal conduct.
6) His need for public praise and validation.

Of course that's "for starters"

I can also list the policies the Trump administration has advanced and supported that I'm in favor of as well and which is why I voted for his reelection.

I'll translate: You're a social liberal! You get butthurt if someone doesn't live up to your standards! None of that is anyone's business, we do not elect saints, we elect leaders, people who pledge to uphold the Constitution.

What is it you don't like about putting America first, having the greatest economy in the history of the world, building a wall to protect the citizens of this country, just for starters!

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 18, 2020, 05:56:55 PM

There are not prohibitions on the types of arms allowed by the 2nd Amendment but I'm pretty sure common sense and basic public order indicates their should be.

No!  No regulations.  Never.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on December 18, 2020, 06:46:51 PM

No!  No regulations.  Never.

He's a lib, he may just not know it.

I am quite sure that many of us conservatives today are much more to the left than the most notorious free-thinkers of the mid-19th century.

But what should always be present in the concept of Conservatism is common sense, knowledge of history and the ability to draw correct conclusions from history.

Restrictions on the possession of certain types of weapons will definitely lead to the prohibition of certain types of views. And these are already limitations not only of the Second Amendment, but also of the most important, the First.

Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2020, 06:50:54 PM
He's a lib, he may just not know it.

Oh, he knows it...you can see right through them....

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 18, 2020, 05:56:55 PM

Of course the term "virus" is not in the Constitution.
When did the Roberts Court suspend the 1st Amendment
There are not prohibitions on the types of arms allowed by the 2nd Amendment but I'm pretty sure common sense and basic public order indicates their should be.
I'm pretty sure there are no age prohibitions on the right to possess a firearm though again,  public order and common sense suggests there should be.

That statement alone proves your are a liberal. Reread the constitution.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on December 18, 2020, 06:55:40 PM
I am quite sure that many of us conservatives today are much more to the left than the most notorious free-thinkers of the mid-19th century.

But what should always be present in the concept of Conservatism is common sense, knowledge of history and the ability to draw correct conclusions from history.

Restrictions on the possession of certain types of weapons will definitely lead to the prohibition of certain types of views. And these are already limitations not only of the Second Amendment, but also of the most important, the First.

Yes Yuriy, you are correct, even the smallest of prohibition creates within ones mind that it's only a little one, leading to the next one being easier for govt to institute.
These last 6 to 9 months have been a perfect example. First they needed you to give up just two weeks of Liberty under the guise you're helping all of humanity, just two weeks to "Slow The Curve".

Here we are going on a year later and we have people attacking other people for not wearing a useless chin diaper, The govt mark of compliance.
Yeah, this idiot claims Con status, but he has zero historical reference as to what giving up "Just a little freedom" actually means.
Once you give up a little, it's gone forever.

The govt does not give us Liberty Or Freedom, it can only take it away!

Quote from: Solar on December 18, 2020, 06:35:45 PM
I'll translate: You're a social liberal! You get butthurt if someone doesn't live up to your standards! None of that is anyone's business, we do not elect saints, we elect leaders, people who pledge to uphold the Constitution.

What is it you don't like about putting America first, having the greatest economy in the history of the world, building a wall to protect the citizens of this country, just for starters!

to the latter I'm all for that but any Republican could've promoted that had they been bold and done so more effectively without Trumps baggage.

As for me being a "social liberal".

You're an idiot.

I'm staunchly opposed to elective abortion,   opposed to LGBT rights,  opposed to government efforts to conquer systemic racism,  a big supporter of the police. 

Again you're an idiot if you think I'm remotely a social liberal.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 19, 2020, 05:55:02 AM
to the latter I'm all for that but any Republican could've promoted that had they been bold and done so more effectively without Trumps baggage.

As for me being a "social liberal".

You're an idiot.

I'm staunchly opposed to elective abortion,   opposed to LGBT rights,  opposed to government efforts to conquer systemic racism,  a big supporter of the police. 

Again you're an idiot if you think I'm remotely a social liberal.

You just posted a list of the reasons liberals hate Trump, yet claim you're not a liberal?

Quote1) Multiple divorces
2) Chasing women (few things disgust me more than pussy hounds).
3) Use of extreme vulgar language.
4) Insulting and denigrating people.
5) His slavish devotion to transactional personal conduct.
6) His need for public praise and validation.

Then you tell us how the Constitution and bill of Rights is to be interpreted and you still don't see a problem?
There is no Interpreting our Founding Documents, they were written so as to have no questions as to their intent, written so even an idiot could understand them!

And if you think anyone here is a Republican, you're a bigger lib than you realize, the GOP is our enemy, has been for decades!
The bigger threat to our Republic now resides in the GOP, the DNC is dead and no longer a threat.

And no, there is no restrictions on the 2nd, if someone wants to teach a toddler how to shoot, that's none of your business and especially none of govts business!

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 19, 2020, 05:55:02 AM
to the latter I'm all for that but any Republican could've promoted that had they been bold and done so more effectively without Trumps baggage.

As for me being a "social liberal".

You're an idiot.

I'm staunchly opposed to elective abortion,   opposed to LGBT rights,  opposed to government efforts to conquer systemic racism,  a big supporter of the police. 

Again you're an idiot if you think I'm remotely a social liberal.

Because you're a socialist...

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 18, 2020, 05:56:55 PM

Of course the term "virus" is not in the Constitution.
When did the Roberts Court suspend the 1st Amendment
There are not prohibitions on the types of arms allowed by the 2nd Amendment but I'm pretty sure common sense and basic public order indicates their should be.
I'm pretty sure there are no age prohibitions on the right to possess a firearm though again,  public order and common sense suggests there should be.

Those two statements are the opposite of conservative. Honestly you sound like a centrist who leans left. One might use the term RINO for you, tho its not spot on.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 19, 2020, 05:55:02 AM
   opposed to LGBT rights,

In our country, there are no laws prohibiting anal sex.

Well, what lesbians do in bed can hardly be called sex, so, female masturbation with the help of another woman.

Also, the law is not prohibited.

This means that these LGBT guys have the same civil rights as other citizens of the country.

They have the right to form a legal civil couple, conduct joint activities, pay taxes, adopt and raise children.

If these guys do what your church doesn't like, then our church is separate from the state and is the same private person as LGBT.

The U.S. Constitution was written very vaguely in most places which is the biggest factor in its survival and relevance to this day.    It is utterly impossible to apply a document written more than two centuries ago (and deeply flawed at best) literally today.    Thus interpretation is inevitable and has to be made.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 19, 2020, 07:42:02 AM
The U.S. Constitution was written very vaguely in most places which is the biggest factor in its survival and relevance to this day.    It is utterly impossible to apply a document written more than two centuries ago (and deeply flawed at best) literally today.    Thus interpretation is inevitable and has to be made.

Why do you call yourself a conservative?  You are to the left of rino. Why don't you give some examples of where the constitution is "very vaguely" written.