Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
Nice try at twisting my words, but you failed big time.

I didnt twist your words. They're still there for whoever wants to read them.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
Business is not the problem, Govt writing laws forcing an uneven playing field.

Those laws are written by bought people.. Who buys them? Businesses... Big money... Thus creating an "uneven playing field".

Nice try to escape your words. You know, that's been a running theme for you, Solar. Say something and regret it, say something, deny it. Your arguments fall flat because of this, and seriously,  just because you talk more doesn't mean the content is any less lacking.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
There is Absolutely nothing legitimate about trying to bring down the country.

You've shown no proof to the majority of the OWS trying to "bring down our country", but you have dodged the proof Ive shown to their actual intentions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/occupy-wall-street-isnt-a_b_1034418.html

"The Wall Street Journal conducted a poll recently that asked OWS supporters, "What frustrates you the most about the political process in the United States?" Only three percent said "the democratic/capitalist system." Three percent. The poll also asked supporters what they hope the movement will achieve and only four percent wanted the "dissolution" of the capitalist system."

Quote from: mdgiles on August 21, 2012, 05:32:37 PM
We will never be on the same page, because conservatives don't see businessmen in general, and corporations in particular, as some kind of boogie men.

68% of the American public seem to want less corporate collusion.  Just because we see a problem doesnt mean we think its a boogie man. It's just a problem that needs be solved.

If conservatives arent apart of that 68% then conservatives are fewer in numbers than I originally thought.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 05:37:49 PM

68% of the American public seem to want less corporate collusion.  Just because we see a problem doesnt mean we think its a boogie man. It's just a problem that needs be solved.

If conservatives arent apart of that 68% then conservatives are fewer in numbers than I originally thought.

Government interference - in anything - invites collusion. The Left doesn't even seem to have a clue what a corporation is. They make it out to be some kind of conspiracy, when in fact it's nothing more than a way to organize a business and raise capital.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 05:33:59 PM

I didnt twist your words. They're still there for whoever wants to read them.

You tried, but fell flat on your ass and Kari caught it as well.

QuoteThose laws are written by bought people.. Who buys them? Businesses... Big money... Thus creating an "uneven playing field".

And your answer is to attack business, ours is to kick the bastards out for extorting business.
That's all it is, Govt extortion of business, which is why they incorporate in the first place.

QuoteNice try to escape your words. You know, that's been a running theme for you, Solar. Say something and regret it, say something, deny it. Your arguments fall flat because of this, and seriously,  just because you talk more doesn't mean the content is any less lacking.

Escape my words? It's not my fault you're too thick to understand their meaning.
I'm not the one refusing to see reality, i'm the one trying to get you to take off the blinders.

QuoteYou've shown no proof to the majority of the OWS trying to "bring down our country", but you have dodged the proof Ive shown to their actual intentions.

You're a fool! You want us to believe a communist backed movement is somehow being usurped by a Nobler cause?
That's like claiming not all KKK members are racist.
What a rube!

Quotehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/occupy-wall-street-isnt-a_b_1034418.html

"The Wall Street Journal conducted a poll recently that asked OWS supporters, "What frustrates you the most about the political process in the United States?" Only three percent said "the democratic/capitalist system." Three percent. The poll also asked supporters what they hope the movement will achieve and only four percent wanted the "dissolution" of the capitalist system."

The poll was taken less than a month after the movement started, (Oct 18, 2011 ) so this proves nothing, considering most people hadn't yet seen what they were trying to accomplish.
Like rioting, bashing in businesses and general mayhem, which all came later.
So once again, you fail!

Quote from: mdgiles on August 21, 2012, 05:46:27 PM
Government interference - in anything - invites collusion. The Left doesn't even seem to have a clue what a corporation is. They make it out to be some kind of conspiracy, when in fact it's nothing more than a way to organize a business and raise capital.

Why does the obvious escape this guy, could it be a poor education?

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 05:26:17 PM

I disagree. The OWS people actually seem quite informed on politics, and the money that buys it.

You have clearly not seen or talked to these people up close.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
Why does the obvious escape this guy, could it be a poor education?

Brain damage.

Quote from: taxed on August 21, 2012, 08:46:41 PM
Brain damage.

I can't blame it all on fish............

He's presenting himself like he's completely up to speed on current events and politics. If he gets his information from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc., for all practical purposes, he knows everything there is to know, that's been put out by the mainstream media. I run into it, all the time.

There are an incredible amount of people, that believe that the Tea Party is a group of right wing extremists, that are motivated by racism and greed. It's how they've been portrayed from their inception.................including by Obama himself.

The only thing that OWS and the TP have in common, is anger and frustration. Fish is a lib, so he sees that as being the same. The democrats take advantage of that world view all the time......................they have to, to win elections. That's why the democrat party is so disjointed..................the only thing that keeps them together, is anger. OWS, angry gays, global warmers, angry feminists, angry minorities, angry environmentalists..........................

Quote from: kramarat on August 22, 2012, 03:17:42 AM
I can't blame it all on fish............

He's presenting himself like he's completely up to speed on current events and politics. If he gets his information from NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, etc., for all practical purposes, he knows everything there is to know, that's been put out by the mainstream media. I run into it, all the time.

There are an incredible amount of people, that believe that the Tea Party is a group of right wing extremists, that are motivated by racism and greed. It's how they've been portrayed from their inception.................including by Obama himself.

The only thing that OWS and the TP have in common, is anger and frustration. Fish is a lib, so he sees that as being the same. The democrats take advantage of that world view all the time......................they have to, to win elections. That's why the democrat party is so disjointed..................the only thing that keeps them together, is anger. OWS, angry gays, global warmers, angry feminists, angry minorities, angry environmentalists..........................

I think you're right on all counts, the problem is, he and other libs like him, refuse to hear the truth, it's that mental block that sets up like cement that makes one wonder, if as Taxed said, they are brain damaged, or simply proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

When presented with solid evidence, they refuse to accept it, this slaps in the face of logic, it's as if the emotional picture their mind has painted of any given situation has complete control from that point further and there is no changing the fantasy they've created.

OWS good, Tea party evil!
Which group has everyone's best interests in mind, which one is fighting for personal freedoms, which group wants a smaller less intrusive govt.

Even though the answer is obvious, somehow the libs have created a scenario in their mind, that a communist based movement will accomplish all of that, when nothing could be further from the truth.

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Even though the answer is obvious, somehow the libs have created a scenario in their mind, that a communist based movement will accomplish all of that, when nothing could be further from the truth.

It's Einstein's aphorism on insanity: "Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result". If government has created the problem then the answer is - more government. Almost all the problems OWS was complaining about, had at their base, government interference in almost every aspect of our lives. To which they answered; "we just don't have enough government". No wonder they were rioting, raping, and crapping in the streets - they'd lost their minds.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 22, 2012, 08:30:05 AM
It's Einstein's aphorism on insanity: "Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result". If government has created the problem then the answer is - more government. Almost all the problems OWS was complaining about, had at their base, government interference in almost every aspect of our lives. To which they answered; "we just don't have enough government". No wonder they were rioting, raping, and crapping in the streets - they'd lost their minds.

It sounds to maniacal when it's all put into context, doesn't it?

Marxism has yet to work, only because it has not yet been applied correctly.
That is the mindset of these fools.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 05:37:49 PM

68% of the American public seem to want less corporate collusion.  Just because we see a problem doesnt mean we think its a boogie man. It's just a problem that needs be solved.

If conservatives arent apart of that 68% then conservatives are fewer in numbers than I originally thought.

Government is at least as responsible for this collusion as corporations. I would say more so, since their policies create an atmosphere of "favorites", which emboldens some corporations while weakening others.

Quote from: CubaLibre on August 22, 2012, 10:15:33 AM
Government is at least as responsible for this collusion as corporations. I would say more so, since their policies create an atmosphere of "favorites", which emboldens some corporations while weakening others.

Why are people surprised? Government steps in and tells some businesses: "we will favor you while disfavoring your competition" and then we get mad at business for taking advantage of the situation they are presented. You assume they would rather be one of the disfavored ones? Should they stand on principle - and have the gangsters throw the bomb through their window?

Quote from: mdgiles on August 22, 2012, 10:40:43 AM
Why are people surprised? Government steps in and tells some businesses: "we will favor you while disfavoring your competition" and then we get mad at business for taking advantage of the situation they are presented. You assume they would rather be one of the disfavored ones? Should they stand on principle - and have the gangsters throw the bomb through their window?

I've explained that point several times, yet all I get is deer in the headlights look, as if I was speaking a foreign language.

Quote from: Solar on August 22, 2012, 11:13:11 AM
I've explained that point several times, yet all I get is deer in the headlights look, as if I was speaking a foreign language.

It is about like trying to explain to a blind person what the sky looks like.