Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 20, 2012, 02:27:40 PM

If those core principles actually united all of you then you wouldn't keep having to choose between the "lesser evil".


I believe that those profiting off the people do need some regulation for the good of the people.  But I dont believe that they should be leashed to the point of asphyxiation. 

The OWS, and the tea party certainly have common ground, its the extremists within the two groups that are constantly claiming separation between the two. Both are upset about corporate and government corruption/collusion. And that's far from polar opposite.

No, the OWS and the Tea party are Light Years apart, there is no common ground between them.
You have a few disillusioned college students that think the OWS movement is all about fighting corruption, but nothing could be further from the truth.
The OWS movement is all about the destruction of Capitalism, but it goes even further, they are misanthropes, they pretty much hate everything man has achieved, they actually want a return to the dark ages.
Not all want to return that far back in time, but the base of their belief system is anti progress.

Fish, I'm serious, you really need to read and learn, and turn of the damned TV.

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2012, 04:41:49 PM
Fish, I'm serious, you really need to read and learn, and turn of the damned TV.

I barely have enough time to type here, dont watch tv, I do read a lot though. In my little bit of free time.

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2012, 04:41:49 PM
No, the OWS and the Tea party are Light Years apart, there is no common ground between them.

There is a commonality, the people within the two groups are both upset by corporate and government collusion/corruption. 

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2012, 04:41:49 PM
You have a few disillusioned college students that think the OWS movement is all about fighting corruption, but nothing could be further from the truth.
The OWS movement is all about the destruction of Capitalism, but it goes even further, they are misanthropes, they pretty much hate everything man has achieved, they actually want a return to the dark ages.
Not all want to return that far back in time, but the base of their belief system is anti progress.

That^ is merely misinformation, the same type of misinformation that the extreme few within the OWS movement say about the tea party. Its this type attitude that allow corruption remain.

Solar, the people are upset because they see they're being robbed. Why you would equate them to mere destructionists is beyond me, and, to be honest, what keeps us all in the dark ages.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative

"disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change."

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 20, 2012, 08:32:44 PM
I barely have enough time to type here, dont watch tv, I do read a lot though. In my little bit of free time.


There is a commonality, the people within the two groups are both upset by corporate and government collusion/corruption. 

That^ is merely misinformation, the same type of misinformation that the extreme few within the OWS movement say about the tea party. Its this type attitude that allow corruption remain.

Solar, the people are upset because they see they're being robbed. Why you would equate them to mere destructionists is beyond me, and, to be honest, what keeps us all in the dark ages.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative

"disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change."

Alright, let me bring you up to speed, they are Marxists at heart, they want to destroy Capitalism, not change it.
Note the last line in this page by Adbusters, the group that started OWS.

QuoteMeanwhile, tents are up once again in Tahrir Square and youth from Quebec to Auckland to Moscow to Oakland are rising up against a future that does not compute.

Stay loose, play jazz, keep the faith ... Capitalism is crashing and our movement has just begun.

for the wild,
Culture Jammers HQ

http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/flash-encampments.html

QuoteOf all the modern economic theories, the economic system of Marxism is founded on moral principles, while capitalism is concerned with only with gain and profitability. Marxism is concerned with the distribution of wealth on an equal basis and the equitable utilization of the means of production. It is also concerned with the fate of the working classes – that is the majority – as well as with the fate of those who are underprivileged and in need, and Marxism cares about the victims of minority-imposed exploitation. For those reasons the system appeals to me, and it seems fair ... The failure of the regime in the Soviet Union was, for me not the failure of Marxism but the failure of totalitarianism. For this reason I think of myself as half-Marxist, half-Buddhist.
http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/102/spiritual-crisis-of-capitalism.html

Now do you get it?

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
Alright, let me bring you up to speed, they are Marxists at heart, they want to destroy Capitalism, not change it.
Note the last line in this page by Adbusters, the group that started OWS.

Now do you get it?

Youre not getting it.  Or you are and would rather just rail against OWS then side against corporate greed. And, based on what you've had to allow thus far about corporations, well, sadly, that seemingly fits perfect your ideals.

Either way, within the OWS movement are many people who are simply fed up with corruption, to turn away those people and point at the select few who hate capitalism would be exactly like turning away the tea party for the racist people among their ranks.  The smart thing to do would be to join ranks and fight corrupt businesses and corrupt government. Segregated angry groups is not going to successfully fight back our mutual enemy. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterleeds/2011/10/11/whos-occupying-wall-street/

"Since companies can make unlimited political donations, they are unfairly influencing the goverment for their own aims, at the detriment to 99% of people."

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 20, 2012, 10:26:42 PM


Youre not getting it.  Or you are and would rather just rail against OWS then side against corporate greed. And, based on what you've had to allow thus far about corporations, well, sadly, that seemingly fits perfect your ideals.

Either way, within the OWS movement are many people who are simply fed up with corruption, to turn away those people and point at the select few who hate capitalism would be exactly like turning away the tea party for the racist people among their ranks.  The smart thing to do would be to join ranks and fight corrupt businesses and corrupt government. Segregated angry groups is not going to successfully fight back our mutual enemy. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterleeds/2011/10/11/whos-occupying-wall-street/

"Since companies can make unlimited political donations, they are unfairly influencing the goverment for their own aims, at the detriment to 99% of people."

How much evidence do you need to see that one group is communist at it's roots and wants to destroy Capitalism, while the other is Hell bent on recapturing our overbearing Govt. and taking away some of it's power?

They are polar opposites, OWS wants to use the heavy hand of Govt to make change, while the Tea party wants to gut the power of Govt.
The Tea party is not interested in the money influence as much as they are a govt that writes laws making the playing field uneven.
We know that taking power from Govt, is the best way to corral corruption, a complete opposite way of thinking when compared to OWS.
OWS wants to use the Govt as a tool to punish business, we want to free business from the corrupt and overbearing hand of Govt.

These two groups have absolutely nothing in common, they are diametrically opposed, one is full of tools for the commies, while the other is adults that want more freedom from Govt.

Don't fall into the trap of believing OWS is full of honorable intentions, many kids have fallen for the lie.
I'm not saying everyone protesting are idiots, many are just angry at what they believe to be corruption in the power base, and that would be a true statement, the problem is, they are being mislead, they aren't being given the true motive behind this movement.

Why do you think the Dim party gave a wink and a nod the OWS protests, they are in alignment with the movement, they too want to impose Marxists ideals.
Hussein has proven time and time again he believes in the ideals of Marxism and and doesn't understand Free mkt principles, principles that are completely foreign to him.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 20, 2012, 03:07:21 PM

When you say something like -

"The organizers of OWS, are working for the Obama Administration."

and have no proof to back it up, then it's not critical thinking, it's more emotional blather, really.  It's not unlike the people that say "bush planned the attacks on 911", etc etc.. Sure, bush is a douche, but there's no real proof that he did any such thing.



Unless you can post some evidence to the contrary? Then I will be glad to give it a look, Doc. 

How about in their own words...

OWS/Union Communist Leadership Fear if They become Violent the Military Would Wipe Them Out.

Is that proof enough for you junior?

-Dr Watt

Quote from: Dr_Watt on August 21, 2012, 06:11:08 AM
How about in their own words...

OWS/Union Communist Leadership Fear if They become Violent the Military Would Wipe Them Out.

Is that proof enough for you junior?

-Dr Watt

Get ready for the excuses to follow, he simply can't accept or refuses to accept the reality behind the movement.
He looks at it through the spectrum of emotion, he has framed the movement as noble, regardless of the facts, therefore, it matters not what evidence we present, it will not change his mind, he is a lib to the core.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 06:01:29 AM
How much evidence do you need to see that one group is communist at it's roots and wants to destroy Capitalism, while the other is Hell bent on recapturing our overbearing Govt. and taking away some of it's power?

They are polar opposites, OWS wants to use the heavy hand of Govt to make change, while the Tea party wants to gut the power of Govt.
The Tea party is not interested in the money influence as much as they are a govt that writes laws making the playing field uneven.

How much evidence do you need for you to realize that both groups are upset with government and corporate collusion/corruption?

The tea party is just as interested in money influence because its that influence that writes those laws making the "playing field uneven". 

Quote from: Dr_Watt on August 21, 2012, 06:11:08 AM
How about in their own words...

OWS/Union Communist Leadership Fear if They become Violent the Military Would Wipe Them Out.

Is that proof enough for you junior?

-Dr Watt

 


Where in that video do you get that "the organizers of OWS, are working for the Obama Administration"? 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 12:57:20 PM
How much evidence do you need for you to realize that both groups are upset with government and corporate collusion/corruption?

The tea party is just as interested in money influence because its that influence that writes those laws making the "playing field uneven".

That is not the Tea party objective, not even close, we want less Govt, the OWS wants to use Govt to beat up on Capitalism.
The two have absolutely nothing in common.

Are you being purposely ignorant of the OWS actual cause?
They are Marxists set on destroying Capitalism, why is this not sinking in?

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
That is not the Tea party objective

But you said the tea party is interested in

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 06:01:29 AM
govt that writes laws making the playing field uneven.

Well, based on that^ , and the fact that big money can now legally purchase your rep, which makes that playing field uneven, then the tea party and the people of the OWS movement do have a common objective.  "Even the playing field", 99% verses the wealthiest one percent that buys your representative is not even.

Are you really going to keep looking past this obvious commonality?
It behooves us to merge the two groups. Yes, some within the tea party are racist douche bags and some within the OWS are Marxists, but that doesn't mean all are, and certainly shouldn't stop us from trying to better the Nation by using the power the two groups combined could offer the people. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 01:46:46 PM

But you said the tea party is interested in

Well, based on that^ , and the fact that big money can now legally purchase your rep, which makes that playing field uneven, then the tea party and the people of the OWS movement do have a common objective.  "Even the playing field", 99% verses the wealthiest one percent that buys your representative is not even.

Are you really going to keep looking past this obvious commonality?
It behooves us to merge the two groups. Yes, some within the tea party are racist douche bags and some within the OWS are Marxists, but that doesn't mean all are, and certainly shouldn't stop us from trying to better the Nation by using the power the two groups combined could offer the people.

Your need to justify a communist movement says more about you than anything you've ever posted.

I said returning to a smaller govt would naturally shrink money interests, but OWS wants Govt to kill Capitalism to get money out.
How is that a common interest, when both have different end goals?

Fish, you did not fully quote Solar, and you know it.  OWS and the Tea Party are diametrically opposed.  OWS wants to overthrow the current government to put people in charge who want to control every aspect of business and profit.  Tea Party members want to elect people to get the government as far way from business as possible.  OWS hates capitalism, the Tea Party is for capitalism.   End of story, no "admission" needed.   

Quote from: JustKari on August 21, 2012, 02:01:09 PM
Fish, you did not fully quote Solar, and you know it.  OWS and the Tea Party are diametrically opposed.  OWS wants to overthrow the current government to put people in charge who want to control every aspect of business and profit.  Tea Party members want to elect people to get the government as far way from business as possible.  OWS hates capitalism, the Tea Party is for capitalism.   End of story, no "admission" needed.

He knows what he did, he just doesn't want to accept the truth.
He thinks by aligning with the Tea party, he somehow legitimizes a Marxist movement through osmosis.

Have you ever seen someone as thick as a lib?

Quote from: JustKari on August 21, 2012, 02:01:09 PM
Fish, you did not fully quote Solar, and you know it. 

I didnt need to fully quote. I was comparing the part he said about the tea party with the OWS. 

Quote from: JustKari on August 21, 2012, 02:01:09 PM
OWS hates capitalism, the Tea Party is for capitalism.   End of story, no "admission" needed.

The OWS is made up of many types of people, some dont like capitalism some do. but all seem to be upset about corporate greed dictating government.  Thats the part that is very similar to the tea party, they are upset about an "uneven playing field" because the people who "write the laws" are bought.