Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 19, 2012, 09:50:50 PM

Link?


It seems that the OWS movement is people upset about corporate greed it being allowed by corrupt government.

This week....

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 19, 2012, 11:39:49 PM
This week....

No, from the start.  It's been a good while now.

You'd think people upset about corrupt government would stop trashing one another. Together there's an actual chance at change, without that, it's just more of the same.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 19, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
No, from the start.  It's been a good while now.

You'd think people upset about corrupt government would stop trashing one another. Together there's an actual chance at change, without that, it's just more of the same.

So you still think OWS is grassroots. Is that right?

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 18, 2012, 10:56:36 PM
Blaming one man for whats happening to us is like expecting Romney to be anything other than a corporate owned million dollar man.

I don't know how you got there, from what I wrote. Obama is a divide and conquer politician. You're blind if you don't recognize that.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 19, 2012, 09:48:22 PM

How are they picking them?

I don't know why I need to teach you about human nature as well, do I really need to spell out the whole sequence of getting
noticed?
How most leaders are chosen, by accident or the fact that they are born leaders.
Take Joe Plumber, he was thrust into a leadership position.
The people the tea party are backing, are the very same ones that were kept out by the power that be, and now are getting support though the grassroots network.

Now research how OWS leaders were chosen
You won't like the answer, I guarantee it.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 18, 2012, 10:56:36 PM
Blaming one man for whats happening to us is like expecting Romney to be anything other than a corporate owned million dollar man.

And if you think Hussein is an actual leader, you haven't been studying your history.
Hussein is nothing more than a puppet for those that placed him in office.

This is typical of far left movements, the people seem to come from nowhere and promise the little guy, everything the rich guy owns, all he has to do is vote for the guy promising "Hope and Change", a promise that he will "Fundamentally change the country", all the while never once telling you how he plans to do it.
Then he starts by villainizing free mkt industry and paints his opponent as a greedy corporate shill.

Sound familiar? It should, Hussein is just following every communist dictator that ever came to power in the last few centuries, or at least since the term communism was fomented.
That is also the connection OWS plays, they are mere tools of the same arm, they are being fueled through the same message, evil corporations need to be brought down.

Am I getting through to you yet?

Now take the Tea party, the antithesis of both OWS and the dim party communists, we like Capitalism, we like our freedoms, the left wants to take those freedoms away, so we got angry and came together, all without actual leadership but rather a shared belief in America.

Fish, honestly Google Occupy Wall Street, even if you look at the first few non-video links,you will become more informed.  Ironically enough, OWS is corporate, they started in Canada as a means to spread a Marxist agenda.   Everything is well planned out and known in advance, their are even news stories about how Obama specifically told law enforcement officers of certain cities to leave them alone.  In some cases, before the cities even knew they were coming.
I have posted at least one link here, so if you go to my profile and search OWS, you will find it, that link is a good start.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 19, 2012, 09:50:50 PM

Link?

Did you see any quotes in my post?

MY analysis of what is going on is based on MY observations of the events in question. It may be a totally foreign concept to you, but this is what is called "critical thinking". Some of us do it as a matter of course.

-Dr Watt

Quote from: JustKari on August 20, 2012, 06:18:22 AM
Fish, honestly Google Occupy Wall Street, even if you look at the first few non-video links,you will become more informed.  Ironically enough, OWS is corporate, they started in Canada as a means to spread a Marxist agenda.   Everything is well planned out and known in advance, their are even news stories about how Obama specifically told law enforcement officers of certain cities to leave them alone.  In some cases, before the cities even knew they were coming.
I have posted at least one link here, so if you go to my profile and search OWS, you will find it, that link is a good start.

I've posted that evidence to him three times, even bolded the pertinent info. where they admit they are a Marxist magazine and promoted the OWS idea.
But for some reason he either ignores it, or can't grasp the concept there is still a communist threat alive and well today.
Either way, he refuses to absorb the truth behind the movement. I think a lot of his opinion is the shared belief that all corporate structure should be brought to bear under the wrath of the little guy, which is how he views the OWS movement, as some kind of David vs Goliath.
Fact is, The person he sees as David (the OWS protester), is actually backed by a conglomeration of Goliath's.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 19, 2012, 11:54:50 PM
So you still think OWS is grassroots. Is that right?

I dont think the OWS or the Tea party were initiated by "grassroots".  But they both seem to be filled with people upset at government. A difference Im seeing is that the OWS folk are upset with corporations as well. Some of the tea party are too, Im sure, but the OWS are more verbal in that area.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 20, 2012, 09:04:46 AM

I dont think the OWS or the Tea party were initiated by "grassroots".  But they both seem to be filled with people upset at government. A difference Im seeing is that the OWS folk are upset with corporations as well. Some of the tea party are too, Im sure, but the OWS are more verbal in that area.

Then you have not been paying attention and have simply let them feed you lies.

The Tea party, absent of central planning is a key to its strength. Decentralization gives it operational flexibility, local leadership and decisions, with continuous learning as concepts are informally shared between local organizations  makes it a network, it is not run from on high, but rather from the ground up, hence, Grassroots.

"This is a wake-up call for everyone in office in Texas and across the country," said Matt Mackowiak, a Republican strategist and former aide to Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, who is vacating the seat that Cruz is heavily favored to win in November. "If it can be done here, it can be done anywhere."

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/08/01/4146483/tea-party-gains-steam-with-cruzs.html#storylink=cpy

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2012, 09:32:45 AM
Then you have not been paying attention and have simply let them feed you lies.

"Our message is that we want elected officials with conservative principles. It doesn't matter who endorses you or backs you, necessarily. You've got to have the principles as well," Burton said.

"We are tired of the establishment picking who is next. We are saying we are going to pick the next elected official, not the establishment."




How are "we" picking them? It's still a right wing "think tank" doing the "thinking" for the supposed "grassroots".

The problem you have is the "elected officials" are still being chosen for you, and your being told "they care about your ideals". Sure, a couple may actual care, and try, but to what end? The ability to change things within our bought government requires more than the hand full of people that either the tea party or OWS can place into office.

This is why the two groups should become one. The only real chance at change would be to merge the two houses. Do you not agree?

Do you think corporate greed allowed by government, buying our government, needs to end? Do you like your hard earned money being given to failed businesses for campaign contributions? I dont think you do, and that's the common factor, what we should focus on.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 20, 2012, 10:44:43 AM


"Our message is that we want elected officials with conservative principles. It doesn't matter who endorses you or backs you, necessarily. You've got to have the principles as well," Burton said.

"We are tired of the establishment picking who is next. We are saying we are going to pick the next elected official, not the establishment."

How are "we" picking them? It's still a right wing "think tank" doing the "thinking" for the supposed "grassroots".

Wrong! You don't understand the conservative principals, the core value that unites all of us.

QuoteThe problem you have is the "elected officials" are still being chosen for you, and your being told "they care about your ideals". Sure, a couple may actual care, and try, but to what end?

No they aren't, many came from the ground up, many were already in the ranks, but it was the Tea party that got behingd the conservatives with core principals.

QuoteThe ability to change things within our bought government requires more than the hand full of people that either the tea party or OWS can place into office.

This is why the two groups should become one. The only real chance at change would be to merge the two houses. Do you not agree?
Do you think corporate greed allowed by government, buying our government, needs to end? Do you like your hard earned money being given to failed businesses for campaign contributions? I dont think you do, and that's the common factor, what we should focus on.

These two groups are in complete opposition to one another, the OWS group wants Govt to create laws and insert a heavier presence, the Tea party doesn't want more Govt.
Had there never been a bailout, we would not be in the mess we are today, the free mkt would have worked it all out, that's what the Tea party wants, less govt intervention.

Which would you rather see, less govt intervention, or more govt dictating the free mkt?
I think the answer is obvious.

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2012, 12:12:43 PM
Wrong! You don't understand the conservative principals, the core value that unites all of us.

If those core principles actually united all of you then you wouldn't keep having to choose between the "lesser evil".

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2012, 12:12:43 PM
No they aren't, many came from the ground up, many were already in the ranks, but it was the Tea party that got behingd the conservatives with core principals.
These two groups are in complete opposition to one another, the OWS group wants Govt to create laws and insert a heavier presence, the Tea party doesn't want more Govt.
Had there never been a bailout, we would not be in the mess we are today, the free mkt would have worked it all out, that's what the Tea party wants, less govt intervention.

Which would you rather see, less govt intervention, or more govt dictating the free mkt?
I think the answer is obvious.

I believe that those profiting off the people do need some regulation for the good of the people.  But I dont believe that they should be leashed to the point of asphyxiation. 

The OWS, and the tea party certainly have common ground, its the extremists within the two groups that are constantly claiming separation between the two. Both are upset about corporate and government corruption/collusion. And that's far from polar opposite.

Quote from: Dr_Watt on August 20, 2012, 06:30:13 AM
Did you see any quotes in my post?

MY analysis of what is going on is based on MY observations of the events in question. It may be a totally foreign concept to you, but this is what is called "critical thinking". Some of us do it as a matter of course.

-Dr Watt

When you say something like -

"The organizers of OWS, are working for the Obama Administration."

and have no proof to back it up, then it's not critical thinking, it's more emotional blather, really.  It's not unlike the people that say "bush planned the attacks on 911", etc etc.. Sure, bush is a douche, but there's no real proof that he did any such thing.



Unless you can post some evidence to the contrary? Then I will be glad to give it a look, Doc.