Quote from: kramarat on August 15, 2012, 06:22:54 AM
The left is coming out with the same old tired talking points...........................
Romney and the right want to throw all regulation out the window. Let the banks and corporations do whatever they want, pollute all of our rivers and streams, throw away environmental regulations. It's such utter bullshit. Nobody wants to eliminate government. They've got an important role to play................................we just want them to get back to it.

Yep, idiot libs think the Tea party is out to do away with Govt, but we like a functioning Govt, just not one that dictates, but rather sets itself up as a guideline for business to function within.

Quote from: kramarat on August 15, 2012, 06:22:54 AM
The left is coming out with the same old tired talking points...........................
Romney and the right want to throw all regulation out the window. Let the banks and corporations do whatever they want, pollute all of our rivers and streams, throw away environmental regulations. It's such utter bullshit. Nobody wants to eliminate government. They've got an important role to play................................we just want them to get back to it.

Why does the left always act as if business owners commute from another planet, so it doesn't matter if they pollute this one. like they are breathing the same air and drinking the same water! it's such a stupid attitude. And yes they do want to get rid of a lot of regulations - which often only exist because some bureaucrat somewhere had to justify his/her existence by writing a regulation. This country is being strangled because some pogie somewhere needed some busy work. The truth of the matter is, that without government putting it's thumb on the scales, many corrupt business practices wouldn't exist.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 15, 2012, 08:01:30 AM
Why does the left always act as if business owners commute from another planet, so it doesn't matter if they pollute this one. like they are breathing the same air and drinking the same water! it's such a stupid attitude. And yes they do want to get rid of a lot of regulations - which often only exist because some bureaucrat somewhere had to justify his/her existence by writing a regulation. This country is being strangled because some pogie somewhere needed some busy work. The truth of the matter is, that without government putting it's thumb on the scales, many corrupt business practices wouldn't exist.

Exactly Giles, Co2 is a perfect example of idiocy, yet Hussein used it like a weapon at gunpoint to force his leftist agenda of controlling our energy infrastructure.
They wrote legislation dictating that we pay through the nose for our energy, in turn bankrupting the country.

It had absolutely nothing to do with cleaner air and everyone knew it.

So You guys are basically saying that the government created bad business? Ok, but I believe bad business corrupted our government as well.  Our government does need to regulate, it needs to do it's job. However, I cant let the companies go without blame either. They've been far to greedy for far to long, creating bubbles here and there that collapse and leave the consumer holding the bag. Both the government and the companies are to blame.

I don't disagree that government is corrupt, I just see the corruption in big business as well. And It seems you guys do too.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 15, 2012, 06:01:08 PM
So You guys are basically saying that the government created bad business? Ok, but I believe bad business corrupted our government as well.  Our government does need to regulate, it needs to do it's job. However, I cant let the companies go without blame either. They've been far to greedy for far to long, creating bubbles here and there that collapse and leave the consumer holding the bag. Both the government and the companies are to blame.

I don't disagree that government is corrupt, I just see the corruption in big business as well. And It seems you guys do too.

Wrong.  Government controls the money, power, and laws.  The only way corruption occurs is if government allows it.

Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2012, 06:07:37 PM
Wrong.  Government controls the money, power, and laws.  The only way corruption occurs is if government allows it.

Big money dictates government, thus the supreme court ruling, and the need for huge contributions. Corruption most certainly occurs when the collusion of government and big business undermines the will of the people.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 15, 2012, 08:38:13 PM

Big money dictates government, thus the supreme court ruling, and the need for huge contributions. Corruption most certainly occurs when the collusion of government and big business undermines the will of the people.

Wrong. Government dictates who keeps what money, and decides who to be incestuous with.

Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2012, 08:42:45 PM
Wrong. Government dictates who keeps what money, and decides who to be incestuous with.

I disagree. Money decides who stays in government. The incest then "trickles down". 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 15, 2012, 09:13:38 PM
I disagree. Money decides who stays in government. The incest then "trickles down".

Who sets the finance laws?

Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
Who sets the finance laws?

Who buys the people that do?




Taxi, it seems that Youre so determined to tell me Im wrong that you fail to see (or admit to) the similarity in our stance. Government and big business are stealing from the people.  It's that simple, and very disheartening.

I feel bad because many people are still being played by politicians that are using their "hopes" as a means to fill their own pockets. A real peoples representative will never make it to the show, at present, because money buys the seat, and sadly, the people are to segregated to do what needs be done. We, IMO, need to stand united, against a rigged system and corruption, no matter where it begins. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 15, 2012, 09:25:08 PM
Who buys the people that do?




Taxi, it seems that Youre so determined to tell me Im wrong that you fail to see (or admit to) the similarity in our stance. Government and big business are stealing from the people.  It's that simple, and very disheartening.

I feel bad because many people are still being played by politicians that are using their "hopes" as a means to fill their own pockets. A real peoples representative will never make it to the show, at present, because money buys the seat, and sadly, the people are to segregated to do what needs be done. We, IMO, need to stand united, against a rigged system and corruption, no matter where it begins.

Wrong.  The government makes the laws, enforces the laws, controls the military, prints money, and on and on.  You don't seem willing to concede that the government makes the finance laws. Your point to say business buys the politicians to make the laws still falls back on government, because it wouldn't be an issue if the government told the payer "No".  The only reason we have corruption is because a government politician says "Ok.  I'll do it."

Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2012, 09:30:30 PM
Wrong.  The government makes the laws, enforces the laws, controls the military, prints money, and on and on.  You don't seem willing to concede that the government makes the finance laws. Your point to say business buys the politicians to make the laws still falls back on government, because it wouldn't be an issue if the government told the payer "No".  The only reason we have corruption is because a government politician says "Ok.  I'll do it."

The government is ran by elected officials that require "money" to get there. It's an issue when they say "no" to those that finance them because they lose their funding/ability to be re-elected if they do. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 15, 2012, 09:51:01 PM

The government is ran by elected officials that require "money" to get there. It's an issue when they say "no" to those that finance them because they lose their funding/ability to be re-elected if they do.

The voters put politicians in place.  Try again.

Quote from: taxed on August 15, 2012, 09:52:04 PM
The voters put politicians in place.  Try again.

No trying again necessary. If you believe money isn't what puts politicians in place then you need to do so more research.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 15, 2012, 09:25:08 PM
Who buys the people that do?




Taxi, it seems that Youre so determined to tell me Im wrong that you fail to see (or admit to) the similarity in our stance. Government and big business are stealing from the people.  It's that simple, and very disheartening.

I feel bad because many people are still being played by politicians that are using their "hopes" as a means to fill their own pockets. A real peoples representative will never make it to the show, at present, because money buys the seat, and sadly, the people are to segregated to do what needs be done. We, IMO, need to stand united, against a rigged system and corruption, no matter where it begins.

if you lived in a town where the police force was extorting money from the people of the town, who is to blame, the police, or those paying to stay out of trouble?

Politics is no different, except that they write the laws, and if you want to work within the system, you either play by their rules or back people you want to see in office that can make positive change.
Business merely does what it has to, to function, it would rather stay out of politics altogether, but when you have idiot libs trying to kill your industry, you fight back the only way possible, you put money behind candidates, or you higher lawyers as your mouth piece and bribe the corrupt bastards.

Politicians are the problem, not business.
You've been spoon fed Marxist dogma that Capitalism is evil, competition is bad, industry has no soul.
Wake up kid, the real world is evil and there are people that want to kill our very way of life, business is merely a vehicle to keep us on the highway of prosperity, without the freedom to produce, there is no freedom.

Open your eyes, govt is the obstacle in our lives, why do you think we want to cut it's arms off?