Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 11, 2012, 10:51:06 PM

I figure, based on yalls perception of Obama, that little is needed to sway in regards to his douchehood... But "Romneyhood", on the other hand, is still a subject worthy of speaking on.. Being that you guys seem to be allowing him more credit than he's worth.

All I want is to get rid of this destructive president. To allow him another four years of executive privilege would be criminal. Right now Fudd, I'd vote for you if you were running. Is Romney my choice, no, but if he has even a slight chance to stop this wrecking ball administration, he's the only logical choice. If it were up to me, I would have someone like Mark Levine as president. Read his book, Liberty and Tyranny, he doesn't cut any slack to either party for the destruction of constitutional governance. The RINO's have just been doing it slower. It saddens me to know that we fought a war for freedom and independence over some of the very same things we see happening now.

Quote from: kramarat on August 12, 2012, 04:18:45 AM
It comes down to that old street saying, " Don't hate the player, hate the game."

I cant bring myself to like a guy that allows for corporate interest over the peoples needs.

Quote from: kramarat on August 12, 2012, 04:18:45 AM
Nobody's saying that it's a good thing to have these giant loopholes in the tax code.

Im glad we can all agree.

A step further. Someone that believes a person who is willing to play the corrupt game will simply stop being corrupt , when given even more power, is being very naive.

Obama and Rom are far more similar than many seem want to see.   

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 12, 2012, 11:17:13 PM

I cant bring myself to like a guy that allows for corporate interest over the peoples needs.



Im glad we can all agree.

A step further. Someone that believes a person who is willing to play the corrupt game will simply stop being corrupt , when given even more power, is being very naive.

Obama and Rom are far more similar than many seem want to see.   

The corporate interest over the people's needs? How can you possibly sit at the computer and engage in these petty arguments?

Someone is hurting. Someone needs your help. An old lady is having a hard time breathing, or maybe she needs her dog walked.............................and you just sit at the computer and ignore their screams for help. I can hear them. Can you?

A little girl has cancer......................and you sit at your computer and pretend she doesn't exist.

Yeah. I understand the left.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 12, 2012, 11:17:13 PM

I cant bring myself to like a guy that allows for corporate interest over the peoples needs.



Im glad we can all agree.

A step further. Someone that believes a person who is willing to play the corrupt game will simply stop being corrupt , when given even more power, is being very naive.

Obama and Rom are far more similar than many seem want to see.   

I'm curious, why do you place so much morality on an inanimate issue such as taxes?
Govt  doesn't care about your feelings one tiny bit.

If I can find a way to keep even one penny of my own hard earned money, you bet I'm keeping it, as long as it's legal, I'm in the right and the IRS can take a flying leap for even suggesting I'm stretching the laws.
If I actually did something wrong, you can bet they are going to squeeze me dry for every cent I have.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 12, 2012, 11:17:13 PM

I cant bring myself to like a guy that allows for corporate interest over the peoples needs.

What are corporations other than people.

Saying "corporations" are nothing but rich fat cats is a stupid and naive as saying an army is nothing but generals.

QuoteA step further. Someone that believes a person who is willing to play the corrupt game will simply stop being corrupt , when given even more power, is being very naive.

Obama and Rom are far more similar than many seem want to see.   

Saying the "game" corporations play is corrupt is no more valid than saying all forms of baseball are corrupt because of the recent scandals about steroids.

Corporations, both large and small are what generate the wealth of this country and what enables us ordinary people to enjoy a standard of living which is the envy of the world.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

-Dr Watt

Quote from: Dr_Watt on August 13, 2012, 06:14:18 AM
What are corporations other than people.

A corporation is an entity created by people for the sake of profit, it, in many ways, even puts its self above national interest (even world interest for that matter) . Corporations facilitate greed above all else.

People are like this as well, but, IMO, the individual is capable of a soul, a corporation is not.

Quote from: Dr_Watt on August 13, 2012, 06:14:18 AM
Saying the "game" corporations play is corrupt is no more valid than saying all forms of baseball are corrupt because of the recent scandals about steroids.

Corporations, both large and small are what generate the wealth of this country and what enables us ordinary people to enjoy a standard of living which is the envy of the world.

I disagree with your analogy. Now if the powers that be in baseball allowed  for corrupt players pending on the amount given to them then it would be the same, but that's not the case, well, not openly anyway.

The political field is corrupted by the ability to buy our representation. When big money can call the shots because those we elect are allowed to collect then the little guy, those that arent in charge of big money, get the shaft. This is the reason we've been stolen from i.e. "to big to fail", etc.

Quote from: Dr_Watt on August 13, 2012, 06:14:18 AM
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

And I'd never dream of throwing the baby out, however, I do still believe in groundings and time outs. 

Quote from: kramarat on August 13, 2012, 04:34:36 AM
The corporate interest over the people's needs? How can you possibly sit at the computer and engage in these petty arguments?

I work many hours trying to help those in need.. I set at a computer, for venting, and discussion, when I have a tad bit of free time. I also go to school to further my medical knowledge.

These arguments aren't "petty" . IMO, we pay the people that care for us in our times of real need pennies in comparison to whats taken by many corporations, and big businesses. So I certainly disagree that this argument is petty, if anything it's a much needed come to Jesus that our nation should've had decades ago.

Those that run up the stairs when others are in fear running down, those that fight for you and yours, be it life, liberty, or the pursuit of your happiness, they should be treated a lot better, they deserve much more than what they get. Just my opinion though.




You know, Rat.. Ive seen you say things like, how do you sit at your computer so much, in a few different conversations now. Arent you setting at your computer in these conversations as well?
How can you set at your computer while Im setting at my computer, and tell me that I shouldn't be setting at my computer while you set at your computer? It's as if you have a problem setting at your computer. Or maybe you just have an issue with others at their computer because you set so much at your computer? Hmmm, maybe its the computer who sets to much and we're just tools of the computer itself? Or You are the computer and Im a computer and we're merely discussing something through a link or extension of ourselves? Damn, to deep for me homie. 

Quote from: Solar on August 13, 2012, 05:39:54 AM
Govt  doesn't care about your feelings one tiny bit.

Govt being ran by people who gladly create and use loopholes to undercut the little guy, and those that work to help the little guy, is a large problem.
If you know that Govt, something that is supposed to be for the people, by the people, "doesn't care about your feelings one tiny bit", then there's a problem.
Facilitating the greedy nature of those that demand more before others is what got us here in the first place. The "greed is good" mentality is what led us astray, now we have to uproot it from our Govt.  The individual will be greedy, yes, but we have to try and keep the monsters they create in check, or we will sadly ALL be devoured.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 13, 2012, 12:51:38 PM


Govt being ran by people who gladly create and use loopholes to undercut the little guy, and those that work to help the little guy, is a large problem.
If you know that Govt, something that is supposed to be for the people, by the people, "doesn't care about your feelings one tiny bit", then there's a problem.
Facilitating the greedy nature of those that demand more before others is what got us here in the first place. The "greed is good" mentality is what led us astray, now we have to uproot it from our Govt.  The individual will be greedy, yes, but we have to try and keep the monsters they create in check, or we will sadly ALL be devoured.

You are clueless...

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 13, 2012, 12:51:38 PM


Govt being ran by people who gladly create and use loopholes to undercut the little guy, and those that work to help the little guy, is a large problem.
If you know that Govt, something that is supposed to be for the people, by the people, "doesn't care about your feelings one tiny bit", then there's a problem.
Facilitating the greedy nature of those that demand more before others is what got us here in the first place. The "greed is good" mentality is what led us astray, now we have to uproot it from our Govt.  The individual will be greedy, yes, but we have to try and keep the monsters they create in check, or we will sadly ALL be devoured.

The best thing you can possibly do, to start undoing this mess, is to vote a Romney/ Ryan ticket, and get true conservatives in office, in your local elections. Yes, government writes in the loopholes. Government is behind just about every mess we are facing. Honest conservatives are our only chance.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 10, 2012, 09:13:45 AM
"Wake up"? Im saying exactly what you're saying-

Romney is willing to use those loopholes and so is Obama...  That's the point, They're both bought.  Granted, there's less evidence that Obama is willing to use those loopholes, though he sure has allowed for many placed in his healthcare bill , as well as that "credit card reform", so you do the math.

Loopholes, no...FRAUD YES:

The "buffer zone" parcel at the Obama family mansion in Chicago's upscale Kenwood neighborhood purchased by the wife of convicted felon Tony Rezko was transferred to Barack and Michelle Obama without ever being assessed or taxed, in apparent violation of Illinois law, according to a debt-collection expert.

"The Cook County assessor's office told me that there is no record of any tax assessment having been done on this transfer of the buffer zone property into a Northern Trust Co. Deed in Trust," Albert Hendershot told WND.

Hendershot, president and owner of Innovative Portfolio Recovery Inc, a debt collection and skip tracing company based in Birmingham, Ala., noted the buffer zone "does not have an address attached to it, which is probably how the assessment and tax were avoided."

"Even if the transaction were considered absorbing the buffer zone into the larger property that the Obamas bought," Hendershot said, "that would have constituted two separate transactions for the same parcel – the transfer to the Obamas and the absorption of the buffer into the larger property – without a proper tax assessment being completed on the property in question."

What is the problem?

"It has the look of real estate and tax fraud," Henderson answered. "If a property is transferred without a tax assessment being completed and without taxes being paid on the property, my professional background causes me to be suspicious a crime may have been committed."

http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/332929/

Quote from: kramarat on August 13, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
The best thing you can possibly do, to start undoing this mess, is to vote a Romney/ Ryan ticket, and get true conservatives in office, in your local elections. Yes, government writes in the loopholes. Government is behind just about every mess we are facing. Honest conservatives are our only chance.

I disagree. Just because Your "hoping" the RomRyan ticket will bring "change" doesn't mean it's going to happen. It reads a lot like those Dems, "hoping" their sides corporate candidates will bring "hope and change". It's not going to happen with these guys, especially in this current system.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 13, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

I disagree. Just because Your "hoping" the RomRyan ticket will bring "change" doesn't mean it's going to happen. It reads a lot like those Dems, "hoping" their sides corporate candidates will bring "hope and change". It's not going to happen with these guys, especially in this current system.

And if they do make changes for the better, will you vote (R) next time around?

Quote from: Solar on August 13, 2012, 04:53:08 PM
And if they do make changes for the better, will you vote (R) next time around?

If the Republicans do not bend to corporate rule again, I dont see why I wouldn't vote for some of them. Tough wading through all the overly religious ones, But I dont see that happening anyway. I also dont think they'll win this election. Obama also seems to be treated as a god in the eyes of many of his followers.  Eh, religion and politics, just don't go together.


I also have trouble with the less government argument, and republicans tend to preach that, I worry that in a world based on profit without some dictation of funds to those in need, they'll be lots of people screwed over. But it's not like that's not happening now, under Dem rule, so I guess not much will really change there. 

I'd really feel better if the argument would change from "less government" to "less money controlling our government".  Just my opinion though.

 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 13, 2012, 12:18:45 PM

A corporation is an entity created by people for the sake of profit, it, in many ways, even puts its self above national interest

When one considers that the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate of all industrialized nations, should this really be that surprising?

Quote(even world interest for that matter) .

Oy, vey! What collectivist nonsense! 

QuoteCorporations facilitate greed above all else.

Since all labor unions are incorporated (means they, too, are corporations) that must mean that the main purpose of labor unions is to facilitate greed.

Hmmm... you make a pretty good case there!

QuotePeople are like this as well, but, IMO, the individual is capable of a soul, a corporation is not.

The existence of a "soul" can neither be proved nor disproved. That being the case, there is just as much evidence that a corporation has a soul as there is that it doesn't.

Your "opinion" is a irrelevant as it is baseless.

QuoteI disagree with your analogy. Now if the powers that be in baseball allowed  for corrupt players pending on the amount given to them then it would be the same, but that's not the case, well, not openly anyway.

The political field is corrupted by the ability to buy our representation. When big money can call the shots because those we elect are allowed to collect then the little guy, those that arent in charge of big money, get the shaft. This is the reason we've been stolen from i.e. "to big to fail", etc.

And I'd never dream of throwing the baby out, however, I do still believe in groundings and time outs. 

Consider this...

If government did not have the power to pick financial winners and loser via through extra-constitutional regulatory powers, assumed by itself, for itself, there would be no reason for so-called big money to "buy" representatives!

It is the power the government has over the success or failure of businesses which make it a prime target for corruption. If the Federal Government limited itself to the size and powers dictated to it by the Constitution there would be no such thing as "too big to fail".

-Dr Watt