Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 05:26:39 PM
So you don't think slavery should've been outlawed (13th).

Or that women should have the right to vote?

Or that 18 year olds could be drafted and sent to war but couldn't vote?

If one were to actually followed the Constitution not a single Amendment was needed. We didn't need an Amendment to allow women to vote, just say, hey, OK, women can vote, same with slavery, it was illegal from the start (All men are created Equal).
The govt shouldn't have been drafting kids to begin with, again, simply pass a law that anyone who serves in the military are automatically afforded the Right to vote regardless of age.

These Amendments were all political, look it up!

Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 06:27:57 PM
If one were to actually followed the Constitution not a single Amendment was needed. We didn't need an Amendment to allow women to vote, just say, hey, OK, women can vote, same with slavery, it was illegal from the start (All men are created Equal).
The govt shouldn't have been drafting kids to begin with, again, simply pass a law that anyone who serves in the military are automatically afforded the Right to vote regardless of age.

These Amendments were all political, look it up!

I have never heard any arguments remotely like this.   Not from conservatives,  liberals, libertarians, anyone.   And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this.   Not from conservatives,  liberals, libertarians, anyone.   And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.

No. not in the Constitution, rather the Constitutional convention, and it had everything to do with taxation and Representation.

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/6/three-fifths-clause

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this.   Not from conservatives,  liberals, libertarians, anyone.   And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.

Proof?

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Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.    Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.

Now in 2016,   Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee.   My preferences were Scott Walker,  Ted Cruz,  Marco Rubio,  JEB Bush,  and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.

That said,  when Trump was nominated I supported him.   And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly.   If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.   

But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort.   He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to.    Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously).    I mean come on.   He used to be a Democrat.   And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.

Yes,  I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris,  but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.

I stopped reading right there....you're a leftist....

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this.   Not from conservatives,  liberals, libertarians, anyone.   And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.

Too bad, if you had you might not be the flaming liberal you are today.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this.   Not from conservatives,  liberals, libertarians, anyone.   And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.

Show proof or recant.

Here is the United States Constitution of America

https://www.senate.gov/civics/resources/pdf/US_Constitution-Senate_Publication_103-21.pdf

Quote from: Owebo on December 24, 2020, 12:34:48 AM
I stopped reading right there....you're a leftist....

you forgot the word, "Troll".

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
There is more to conservatism than slavish worship of the U.S. Constitution. 

I've yet to see anyone falling down on their knees and worshiping.   That's just a Troll talking.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this.   Not from conservatives,  liberals, libertarians, anyone.   And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.

Obviously he/she has never read the constitution, or forgotten it entirely.

QuoteI've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.

Every RINO considers himself a staunch Republican - like Mittens.

Beginning to see it already, Liberal & Globalist Trolls crawling out of their holes & posting nonsense on Conservative sites.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
Then why has it been amended more than two dozen times so far?

Because stupid people thought they were smarter than the founding fathers.  I'm guessing you also think the 17th amendment was a good idea.  This will tell me if you have just one conservative bone in your body.  By what you have posted, I would say you are liberal.  Maybe not full blown progressive yet, but you are getting there.

The genius behind the constitution is that man is only answerable to his creator.  Therefore, no government should have control over man.  The well written constitution is a restraint on government stating the rights of citizens; not what government CAN do.  Liberals believe the reverse.  If you can't see the genius behind that concept then no one can help you understand the constitution.

You seem to be making the mistake of judging the past using today's standards.  That is an emotional liberal view of history that doesn't take into account the ignorance of past generations who didn't have the science we take for granted today.

Good luck on your search for conservatism.  Like Trump, I was once a democrat.  Then a republican and now independent because the RINO takeover of the Republican Party.

Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 06:50:19 PM
No. not in the Constitution, rather the Constitutional convention, and it had everything to do with taxation and Representation.

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/6/three-fifths-clause

Point taken.   I see the error I made.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 24, 2020, 05:29:12 AM
Point taken.   I see the error I made.

Cool! It's important things like this be taken head on. Because you heard it, someone else heard it and spread it as if it were true.
It's better that all see its true origins so we can stop these in the future. This is what sets us apart from all other forums, the truth, good or bad, it must be spolen.

Quote from: BayouCountry on December 24, 2020, 05:24:32 AM
Because stupid people thought they were smarter than the founding fathers.  I'm guessing you also think the 17th amendment was a good idea.  This will tell me if you have just one conservative bone in your body.  By what you have posted, I would say you are liberal.  Maybe not full blown progressive yet, but you are getting there.

The genius behind the constitution is that man is only answerable to his creator.  Therefore, no government should have control over man.  The well written constitution is a restraint on government stating the rights of citizens; not what government CAN do.  Liberals believe the reverse.  If you can't see the genius behind that concept then no one can help you understand the constitution.

You seem to be making the mistake of judging the past using today's standards.  That is an emotional liberal view of history that doesn't take into account the ignorance of past generations who didn't have the science we take for granted today.

Good luck on your search for conservatism.  Like Trump, I was once a democrat.  Then a republican and now independent because the RINO takeover of the Republican Party.

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Quote from: european101 on December 24, 2020, 07:48:24 AM
Hey Bayou, how you've been doing down there in Lousiana? Merry Christmas to you and your family from the land of fabulous Melanija Trump.

Doin' great, thanks for askin'.  Heading out soon to see the family and enjoy the grandkids.  Merry Christmas to you and your family from the land of Amy Barrett.

Merry Christmas to all.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 24, 2020, 05:29:12 AM
Point taken.   I see the error I made.

You know Dayton3, there just may be hope for you after all.  Education is a beautiful thing.  Remember, around the early 1900's when progressives began raising their marxist beliefs it was condemned and they changed their name to liberal.  That went on for almost 100 years where today progressives think it's OK to use that name again.

Well it's not, it the same old marxist crap it always has been.  Woodrow Wilson was a marxist/racist piece of shit president.  FDR, another marxist/socialist/progressive piece of shit.  Dept. of Education and the cabinet position did not exist until the another socialist/marxist/progressive piece of shit Jimmy Carter's administration.  The 2A untouched for the most part until progressives felt they had a better plan.  Today, progressive courts have committed sodomy on the 1A in the name of a virus.  Progressivism/socialism/communism is all contra conservatism.

The original US Constitution was complete and the perfect document for a free people.  And you will notice it's one of the few writings that progressives/socialist/marxist/democraps describe as a "living document".  Bullshit.

I'll reserve judgement Dayton3, all though as a conservative I have no right to judge you.  What you believe neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, not directly anyway, but indirectly your liberal thinking does bankrupt mine and your children's future.  That is the difference between conservatism and progressivism.

So get your head straight and teach your children.  We have a country to save for our children.