I don't think so.
They have devolved to a violent, regressive, Muslim State.
I cringe to think America is committed to defend them.
No. Their President is a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer, if he isn't one of them.
Not now, no.
Quote from: SalemCat on November 18, 2015, 08:15:24 PM
I don't think so.
They have devolved to a violent, regressive, Muslim State.
I cringe to think America is committed to defend them.
The Illegitimate One's nuclear deal would commit America to defend IRAN against Israel!
About defending Turkey, it's not about protecting Turkey, it's about containing Russia.
The old joke actually is coming true! Hungary
should gobble up Turkey! Problem solved!
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 18, 2015, 08:51:09 PM
Not now, no.
NEVER !!!!
The Ottoman Empire will rise again and you do NOT want that!
Putting Turkey in the EU will facilitate that and put it on the fast track.
You cannot get any more "crawling in bed with the enemy" than that! :scared:
Turkey only joined NATO to keep its ass off the USSR's dinner plate. The Soviets grabbed most of Iran and set it's sights on Turkey, looking for that warm water port.....
This new guy is Muslim Brotherhood...... I say boot them out
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 20, 2015, 06:01:11 AM
Turkey only joined NATO to keep its ass off the USSR's dinner plate. The Soviets grabbed most of Iran and set it's sights on Turkey, looking for that warm water port.....
This new guy is Muslim Brotherhood...... I say boot them out
Turkey is the gateway for the Muslim migrant invasion. Kick them out, who are they going to ally with - Russia?
Quote from: mdgiles on November 20, 2015, 11:04:47 AM
Turkey is the gateway for the Muslim migrant invasion. Kick them out, who are they going to ally with - Russia?
We should reflect on why NATO invited Turkey in. They are natural and long time enemies with Russia and this made sense during the cold war. I don't think that hatchet has been buried so I respectfully disagree they would seek out Russia. I believe they are more aligned now under current direction with radical Islam.
Quote from: mdgiles on November 20, 2015, 11:04:47 AM
Turkey is the gateway for the Muslim migrant invasion. Kick them out, who are they going to ally with - Russia?
THey might, There might be some sort of deal involving a pipeline thru Turkey, more money to buy weapons and Putin would be eager to sell 'em to raise cash for his struggling economy.
Yes, they are aligned with Islam in it's most radical form. Erdogan once said, "There is no moderate Islam. There is no radical Islam. There is only Islam. Ataturk who once was one of their heroes, doubtful now, enforced a secular government and did away with requiring women to cover their heads, polygamy and other repressive Islamic restrictions. Erdogan's goal is to bring back Islam as it was practiced during the Ottoman Empire and his wish is to reestablish the Ottoman Empire and to regain the parts of Europe, i.e. Spain which had been conquered by Islam. They were stopped and forced back at the gates of Vienna but they have not given up the dream of conquest.
They have no business whatsoever in NATO.
Quote from: Charliemyboy on November 20, 2015, 03:50:52 PM
Yes, they are aligned with Islam in it's most radical form. Erdogan once said, "There is no moderate Islam. There is no radical Islam. There is only Islam. Ataturk who once was one of their heroes, doubtful now, enforced a secular government and did away with requiring women to cover their heads, polygamy and other repressive Islamic restrictions. Erdogan's goal is to bring back Islam as it was practiced during the Ottoman Empire and his wish is to reestablish the Ottoman Empire and to regain the parts of Europe, i.e. Spain which had been conquered by Islam. They were stopped and forced back at the gates of Vienna but they have not given up the dream of conquest.
They have no business whatsoever in NATO.
Oh his true alliance is with the MB, but in the mean time he will use the best means necessary to arm and equip his minions, Russia is the strongest in Europe, makes sense, of course when the time comes he'll turn like a rabid dog on them. This flood of invaders thru Europe shows a slightly different strategy, they know they can't do it with the sword (or nowadays gun) so they are gonna do it with their penises'. They are going to take over Europe by means of interbreeding and population. Turkey is facilitating this, it might even be funding these people.
That Strategy was used successfully throughout History by my Celtic ancestors, Vikings, the Romans and the Huns and Mongols (who if I remember correctly conquered some of Turkey).
Quote from: SalemCat on November 18, 2015, 08:15:24 PM
I don't think so.
They have devolved to a violent, regressive, Muslim State.
I cringe to think America is committed to defend them.
The real question is should we, the USA, be in NATO?
Quote from: Shooterman on November 21, 2015, 09:42:27 AM
The real question is should we, the USA, be in NATO?
Better yet! Should the UN be in the USA?
Quote from: quiller on November 21, 2015, 09:53:17 AM
Better yet! Should the UN be in the USA?
No! All of these worthless international organizations are a waste of money and detrimental to our own Country. We ALWAYS end up as the loser, villain, and sugar daddy to third world dictators.
Quote from: kroz on November 21, 2015, 10:09:53 AM
No! All of these worthless international organizations are a waste of money and detrimental to our own Country. We ALWAYS end up as the loser, villain, and sugar daddy to third world dictators.
Bulldoze and replace. Fly the diplos out en masse in C-130s to anywhere who will have them. Take only what you can carry. Seize passports on their way out. Blacklist their return. Tell them:
Come back, we shoot you...and mean it.
I know. I'm such a softy.
Quote from: quiller on November 21, 2015, 10:25:24 AM
Bulldoze and replace. Fly the diplos out en masse in C-130s to anywhere who will have them. Take only what you can carry. Seize passports on their way out. Blacklist their return. Tell them: Come back, we shoot you...and mean it.
I know. I'm such a softy.
And that's just the Dim and Pub party. :laugh:
Quote from: quiller on November 21, 2015, 10:25:24 AM
Bulldoze and replace. Fly the diplos out en masse in C-130s to anywhere who will have them. Take only what you can carry. Seize passports on their way out. Blacklist their return. Tell them: Come back, we shoot you...and mean it.
I know. I'm such a softy.
Yes, you have mellowed out in about the last 5 years. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2015, 11:06:24 AM
And that's just the Dim and Pub party. :laugh:
I am fresh off watching MIDWAY with Chuck Heston, when six months after our attack we came straight back and handed the Japs their biggest defeat ever. I am up to exactly HERE with liberals and especially that Kenyan corksocker spearheading the Muslim Expeditionary Forces.
I like an America that wins. I like politicians whose bullshit stops at our shores, not carries to foreign masters.
One of the Bond films had a stunt where the end of a cargo plane opened and everything slid out. You can get a lot of round trips a day going 50 miles out and back, or wherever our territorial waters end....
Quote from: quiller on November 21, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
I am fresh off watching MIDWAY with Chuck Heston, when six months after our attack we came straight back and handed the Japs their biggest defeat ever. I am up to exactly HERE with liberals and especially that Kenyan corksocker spearheading the Muslim Expeditionary Forces.
I like an America that wins. I like politicians whose bullshit stops at our shores, not carries to foreign masters.
One of the Bond films had a stunt where the end of a cargo plane opened and everything slid out. You can get a lot of round trips a day going 50 miles out and back, or wherever our territorial waters end....
Empty oil tankers hold a lot of people. Too damn bad if on it's trip back to the M/E it happened to spring a leak.
Civilization would be improved if Russia took out Turkey.
Turkey is a regressive state of savages.
I do not need their Walnuts, Apricots, Pinenuts, or Shotguns so badly as to support them.
When they formally apologize for their Genocide of Christian Armenians, I will absolutely consider forgiving them.
I will be rotted and long gone before then.
Though I pray otherwise.
I don't mind Turkey in NATO, as long as they're serving it with turnips and stuffing.
Is NATO even necessary?
I'm assuming this thread was started because turkey downed a russian warplane. How do y'll think russia will respond? My worry is obama will back turkey because they support muslim brotherhood. Damn I wish we had a president.
Quote from: s3779m on November 24, 2015, 01:01:46 PM
I'm assuming this thread was started because turkey downed a russian warplane. How do y'll think russia will respond? My worry is obama will back turkey because they support muslim brotherhood. Damn I wish we had a president.
I heard that a Russian rescue helicopter was also shot down. I'm not up on the new this week. Russia promising vengeance?
Quote from: kroz on November 24, 2015, 01:06:07 PM
I heard that a Russian rescue helicopter was also shot down. I'm not up on the new this week. Russia promising vengeance?
Don't know, I came to here to find out what was happening. :thumbup:
Quote from: s3779m on November 24, 2015, 01:11:44 PM
Don't know, I came to here to find out what was happening. :thumbup:
We'll find out and let Obama know.
Quote from: quiller on November 24, 2015, 04:45:35 PM
We'll find out and let Obama know.
:lol:
Unless he hears about it on TV first.
Quote from: Solar on November 24, 2015, 04:49:35 PM
:lol:
Unless he hears about it on TV first.
They get it second. Them I charge.
Quote from: quiller on November 21, 2015, 09:53:17 AM
Better yet! Should the UN be in the USA?
THAT'S a teardown I'd like to see Trump work on...
Quote from: taxed on November 24, 2015, 05:20:16 PM
THAT'S a teardown I'd like to see Trump work on...
Every cop who had to stifle his temper over some slug with diplo plates deserves their ten minutes in that wrecking-ball cab. Next would be the store owners and other people victimized by these worthless parasites. Got a CDL and New York permits for hauling waste? Write it off as public service contribution ---your way to help get back America.
Quote from: walkstall on November 21, 2015, 11:13:58 AM
Yes, you have mellowed out in about the last 5 years. :lol:
Good. The disguise worked.
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Should Turkey be in NATO ? Absolutely not.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/24/lt-gen-mcinerney-turkey-shooting-down-russian-plane-was-very-bad-mistake
Oh Boy! are we gonna go to work on the UN? Can we expel everyone of the SOB's and turn it into a giant Disabled Vets recovery center complete with hooter girls and victoria secret models?
http://c.lifenewscontent.ru/static/posts/2015/11/171687/98fa5554e17d277e587097425a05f2af__660x.png
Turkey did this to almost all of neighboring states. And they decided to shoot down russian jet for 17 seconds in their airspace? Soon, after Russia start pounding illegal oil traffiking from ISIS to Turkey... What a coinsidence...
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 25, 2015, 05:27:58 AM
Oh Boy! are we gonna go to work on the UN? Can we expel everyone of the SOB's and turn it into a giant Disabled Vets recovery center complete with hooter girls and victoria secret models?
Best idea so far, except, what about the microbrewery?
Quote from: kalash on November 25, 2015, 07:28:23 AM
http://c.lifenewscontent.ru/static/posts/2015/11/171687/98fa5554e17d277e587097425a05f2af__660x.png
Turkey did this to almost all of neighboring states. And they decided to shoot down russian jet for 17 seconds in their airspace? Soon, after Russia start pounding illegal oil traffiking from ISIS to Turkey... What a coinsidence...
The world plays a strategic game of chess, while obozo plays checkers, except he thinks they're big Tiddlywinks..
Quote from: SalemCat on November 23, 2015, 07:44:22 PM
Civilization would be improved if Russia took out Turkey.
Turkey is a regressive state of savages.
I do not need their Walnuts, Apricots, Pinenuts, or Shotguns so badly as to support them.
When they formally apologize for their Genocide of Christian Armenians, I will absolutely consider forgiving them.
I will be rotted and long gone before then.
Though I pray otherwise.
You are talking out of your ass.
Having spent most of my life in Turkish majority neighborhood I have gotten to know Turkish expatriates and been several times to Turkey they are not like Arabs or the other scum. Which is why we call them Turks and not just Arabs. It should also be clear that the Arabs and Persians hated the Turkish Muslim Caliphate, and will never submit to Turkish subjugation without domination. The Turks are not fundamentalists, not even Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party they are Nationalists that play on Islamist strings to give them prestige in the muslim world and justification for rulership. Turkey is part of Europe and the only reason it is not part of the EU is because they are too conservative, which makes them too good for the EU. And right now it looks like the Turks are realizing that themselves. Fuck the leftist faggots in Brussels.
The Republican People's Party is a socialist party, sure they are secular but is that what is the most important? If so then communism is what your way will eventually lead too.
You Americans that want Turkey out of NATO now just because Putin is giving you the dread stare? If we should have thrown out NATO it should have been when Turkey facilitated Hamas flotilla and not now because you are scared of Russia.
Quote from: Mountainshield on November 25, 2015, 08:14:28 AM
You are talking out of your ass.
Having spent most of my life in Turkish majority neighborhood I have gotten to know Turkish expatriates and been several times to Turkey they are not like Arabs or the other scum. Which is why we call them Turks and not just Arabs. It should also be clear that the Arabs and Persians hated the Turkish Muslim Caliphate, and will never submit to Turkish subjugation without domination. The Turks are not fundamentalists, not even Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party they are Nationalists that play on Islamist strings to give them prestige in the muslim world and justification for rulership. Turkey is part of Europe and the only reason it is not part of the EU is because they are too conservative, which makes them too good for the EU. And right now it looks like the Turks are realizing that themselves. Fuck the leftist faggots in Brussels.
The Republican People's Party is a socialist party, sure they are secular but is that what is the most important? If so then communism is what your way will eventually lead too.
You Americans that want Turkey out of NATO now just because Putin is giving you the dread stare? If we should have thrown out NATO it should have been when Turkey facilitated Hamas flotilla and not now because you are scared of Russia.
To clarify. Americans aren't afraid of Putin, the Marxists in America are afraid of Putin.
Quote from: Mountainshield on November 25, 2015, 08:14:28 AM
You are talking out of your ass.
Having spent most of my life in Turkish majority neighborhood I have gotten to know Turkish expatriates and been several times to Turkey they are not like Arabs or the other scum. Which is why we call them Turks and not just Arabs. It should also be clear that the Arabs and Persians hated the Turkish Muslim Caliphate, and will never submit to Turkish subjugation without domination. The Turks are not fundamentalists, not even Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party they are Nationalists that play on Islamist strings to give them prestige in the muslim world and justification for rulership. Turkey is part of Europe and the only reason it is not part of the EU is because they are too conservative, which makes them too good for the EU. And right now it looks like the Turks are realizing that themselves. Fuck the leftist faggots in Brussels.
The Republican People's Party is a socialist party, sure they are secular but is that what is the most important? If so then communism is what your way will eventually lead too.
You Americans that want Turkey out of NATO now just because Putin is giving you the dread stare? If we should have thrown out NATO it should have been when Turkey facilitated Hamas flotilla and not now because you are scared of Russia.
Just one correction. We as Americans are not scared of anyone, nor are our military leaders. Obama is a spineless, self absorbed sympathizer who doesn't have the guts to stand up to him because he wants to protect his "legacy" and he gets a big, big pass due to his skin-color. His only desire is to tear down this once great nation and sadly there are only a few conservative politicians who will stand up to him.
He should have been hauled out of the WH and shot or hung for treason and a variety of other crimes.
Quote from: Dubinsky on November 25, 2015, 09:02:42 AM
Just one correction. We as Americans are not scared of anyone, nor are our military leaders.
Quote from: Solar on November 25, 2015, 08:59:22 AM
To clarify. Americans aren't afraid of Putin, the Marxists in America are afraid of Putin.
Indeed, though sacrificing Turkey to Russia is exactly the message of cowardice that Russia and enemies of the West wants to see.
Russia wants to overflow Europe with scum from the arab world, which is why they are helping Assad's genocide of Sunni's and bombing the enemies of the IS simultaneously. Turkey is the only country fighting both communists which is what the Kurdish separatist movement is and Assad's genocidal regime.
As for IS, both the Shia Iraqis and Alawite/Shia Syrians have themselves to thank for that, blaming the US or Turkey for IS is an exercise in delusional moral superiority, that way the liberals don't have to take responsibility and say It's not our or Obama's fault and can blame the usual conservative right-wing boogeymen instead while discarding all facts.
Quote from: Mountainshield on November 25, 2015, 08:14:28 AMnot even Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party they are Nationalists that play on Islamist strings to give them prestige in the muslim world and justification for rulership.
I've heard that Erdogan is a dictator wannabe. What about Sharia law? Do the Turks want to bring back the Ottoman Empire?
"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack" -Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, President of Turkey, 2012, after a Turkish plane was shot down over Syria.
source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18584872
Nice double standards here.
Quote from: Dori on November 25, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
I've heard that Erdogan is a dictator wannabe. What about Sharia law? Do the Turks want to bring back the Ottoman Empire?
Probably, I want Scandinavia to form the Kalmar Union as that was my country's greatest moment. That the Turks looks to it's past for pride is understandable, but if you are seriously suggesting that they want to form the Ottoman Empire again then they will have to fight Saudi Arabia and Iran who both want to control a potential new Caliphate. And there is no technological gap between the Turks and Arabs anymore.
Erdogan is a strong man, and it is interesting to see all the secular Turks voting for him because they know they need a strong leader. Erdogan used to put his Islam faith first which is why we dislike him today, but he has been forced to change into a Nationalist. It's not like the Arab Sunni 's give a shit about Turkey even though he supported them in the past.
Turks don't want sharia, sure many do but that is not why they support the Justice Party. Most if not almost all of the Justice party members come from the former True Path Party which was Turkey's conservative party and the conservative party is the only party to have a female prime minister
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Doesn't look like Sharia to me, but then again that was 20 years ago. So I guess that doesn't necessarily mean the younger millennials don't want Sharia, but like the millennials in the US and Europe that scream for socialism when living in prosperity thanks to capitalism I think they have no clue what they want.
I always thought it was funny that Hedo Turkoglu had "Turk" in his last name....
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