So far, Trump has 845 delegates, while others' total is 950.
For Trump to win on the first ballot,
he must win 58% of those remaining.
He's won only 47% of those chosen so far.
https://interactives.ap.org/2016/delegate-tracker/
Trump's delegate count would almost certainly go down
on the 2nd, 3rd, etc. ballots. He has no ground game.
He's been threatening to run as an independent in November,
"if he's not treated fairly" as he's now claiming.
Says Karl Rove:
"Republicans ... can stop worrying about Mr. Trump's threats
to run as an independent. The reason is simple ...
by the time Republicans gather in Cleveland on July 18,
the deadline for Mr. Trump to be listed on the ballot as an independent
will already have passed in 12 states
with a combined 166 Electoral College votes.
...
Much of what Mr. Trump says is unserious bluster.
Republicans can now safely put in that category
his threat to run as an independent."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-emptiest-threat-1461193833
Trump's Emptiest Threat
The Donald can't bolt the GOP to run as an independent—by June it will be too late.
By Karl Rove - April 20, 2016
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But is it too late to run as Hillary's VP? :biggrin:
3rd party? No. He'll be too busy with the lawsuits.
Quote from: je_freedom on April 23, 2016, 07:29:49 PM
So far, Trump has 845 delegates, while others' total is 950.
For Trump to win on the first ballot,
he must win 58% of those remaining.
He's won only 47% of those chosen so far.
https://interactives.ap.org/2016/delegate-tracker/
Trump's delegate count would almost certainly go down
on the 2nd, 3rd, etc. ballots. He has no ground game.
He's been threatening to run as an independent in November,
"if he's not treated fairly" as he's now claiming.
Says Karl Rove:
"Republicans ... can stop worrying about Mr. Trump's threats
to run as an independent. The reason is simple ...
by the time Republicans gather in Cleveland on July 18,
the deadline for Mr. Trump to be listed on the ballot as an independent
will already have passed in 12 states
with a combined 166 Electoral College votes.
...
Much of what Mr. Trump says is unserious bluster.
Republicans can now safely put in that category
his threat to run as an independent."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-emptiest-threat-1461193833
Trump's Emptiest Threat
The Donald can't bolt the GOP to run as an independent—by June it will be too late.
By Karl Rove - April 20, 2016
But what if his goal is to put hillery in the white house? Then there would be enough time to get on the other 38 (or do we still have 57 states) just to ruin Cruz chances. I don't see a third party run either, but I can see him endorsing hillery over Cruz.
Quote from: Solar on April 23, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
But is it too late to run as Hillary's VP? :biggrin:
I thought a run as hillery's v.p. was a goal but terry mcAuliffe just sealed up that nomination with one brilliant move on his part. For trump to get that coveted v.p. slot now he would have to get voting rights to all convicts, enen those still in prison, or maybe voting rights for the dead. McAuliffe has just raised the bar for how low can a democrat can go.
Quote from: s3779m on April 24, 2016, 02:55:57 AM
I thought a run as hillery's v.p. was a goal but terry mcAuliffe just sealed up that nomination with one brilliant move on his part. For trump to get that coveted v.p. slot now he would have to get voting rights to all convicts, enen those still in prison, or maybe voting rights for the dead. McAuliffe has just raised the bar for how low can a democrat can go.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/mcauliffe-backs-shrill-by-pardoning-206-000-inmates/
Just adding the link so drive by readers can know to what s3779m is referring.
Quote from: s3779m on April 24, 2016, 02:55:57 AM
I thought a run as hillery's v.p. was a goal but terry mcAuliffe just sealed up that nomination with one brilliant move on his part. For trump to get that coveted v.p. slot now he would have to get voting rights to all convicts, enen those still in prison, or maybe voting rights for the dead. McAuliffe has just raised the bar for how low can a democrat can go.
She won't take him as VP. He's ideal as her Chief of Staff....a real power-monger's job with almost no chance of prosecution.
Quote from: s3779m on April 24, 2016, 02:55:57 AM
I thought a run as hillery's v.p. was a goal but terry mcAuliffe just sealed up that nomination with one brilliant move on his part. For trump to get that coveted v.p. slot now he would have to get voting rights to all convicts, enen those still in prison, or maybe voting rights for the dead. McAuliffe has just raised the bar for how low can a democrat can go.
Noooo, Trump is every bit the lib Terry is, and he'd make a Yuuuuge lib on the Dim ticket....
Oh wait, Trump would actually be a threat to Hillary in the long run. :biggrin:
Quote from: je_freedom on April 24, 2016, 05:29:40 AM
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/mcauliffe-backs-shrill-by-pardoning-206-000-inmates/
Just adding the link so drive by readers can know to what s3779m is referring.
Her VP pick will be a Black guy. She has to energize that base and Obama is not on the ticket. Look for someone like Cory Booker or Mayor Kasim Reid of Atlanta.
Quote from: Solar on April 23, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
But is it too late to run as Hillary's VP? :biggrin:
I do wonder what could have been promised Trump if the conspiracy theory of him being a spoiler were true...
..cant see it being in any subordinate position, but perhaps one of his children? I don't believe the "Trump Empire" has enough capital to support all his children's aspirations of power/success/ego
Quote from: Sauce on April 24, 2016, 07:25:43 AM
I do wonder what could have been promised Trump if the conspiracy theory of him being a spoiler were true...
..cant see it being in any subordinate position, but perhaps one of his children? I don't believe the "Trump Empire" has enough capital to support all his children's aspirations of power/success/ego
My personal belief is that Trump hates the GOP'e as libs do, he saw this as an opportunity to help his business and drop out on a high note.
Problem is, he started believing he was exactly what the media was claiming he was, Teflon Don, that he actually had a shot at the WH.
Yeah, he's that much of an idiot, so much so, he's played right into their hands like the useful idiot he is.
Thank God Ted will take the WH instead, but not before Trump does as much damage as possible, even leaving some to question the legitimacy of his a Cruz win.
A third party run would ensure a Clinton Victory. Whether the Republican candidate is ideal or not, republicans need to unite to defeat Hillary. Any of the starting 17 republican candidates is better than another Obama/Clinton term.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 24, 2016, 07:15:23 AM
Her VP pick will be a Black guy. She has to energize that base and Obama is not on the ticket. Look for someone like Cory Booker or Mayor Kasim Reid of Atlanta.
Is she cold enough to deliberately name a black guy they can justifiably dump like Nixon did Agnew (a bona fide crook)? Everything I've read indicates she does not like blacks. That's warmly reciprocated (if I may use broad satire on that "warmly").
Nope, I think she'll surround herself with that same gang that served Bubba, because they kept
his worthless ass out of prison and you gotta keep the lucky-rabbit-foot that works...until it doesn't, and then there's always Ft. Marcy Park.
Quote from: s3779m on April 24, 2016, 02:54:31 AM
Then there would be enough time to get on the other 38 (or do we still have 57 states) just to ruin Cruz chances.
Theres a thing called the Sore Loser Law in more than half of the states which would prevent Trump from getting on the states ballots for the general election as a 3rd party candidate.
If a candidate runs as member of one party and loses that parties nomination, that person is not allowed to get on the ballot as a candidate of another party for the general election.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 07:47:16 AM
A third party run would ensure a Clinton Victory. Whether the Republican candidate is ideal or not, republicans need to unite to defeat Hillary. Any of the starting 17 republican candidates is better than another Obama/Clinton term.
Quite honestly Hillary is only a threat as long as the lib Trump is on the ticket, but he'll be gone soon enough.
Cruz will be the next POTUS.
Welcome to the forumD.
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 07:47:16 AM
A third party run would ensure a Clinton Victory. Whether the Republican candidate is ideal or not, republicans need to unite to defeat Hillary. Any of the starting 17 republican candidates is better than another Obama/Clinton term.
How is Trump better than Hillary again?
Quote from: DTRAIN Designs on April 24, 2016, 07:47:16 AM
A third party run would ensure a Clinton Victory. Whether the Republican candidate is ideal or not, republicans need to unite to defeat Hillary. Any of the starting 17 republican candidates is better than another Obama/Clinton term.
I'm beginning to wonder if that's true. It's the last thing the GOPe wants, but the Republican Party is getting gutted by Trump and refilled with Liberals & Democrats. Trump's voting bloc already LOOKS like a third party, a middle-left, left-of-enter party, doesn't it?
In short, I think Rush is correct, Hillary is beatable. If she was a strong candidate, Bernie would have been long-gone by the end-of-the-year, and it almost looks like he's gaining in popularity!?
If there ever is going to be a viable 3rd party, this might be the best time to do it.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 25, 2016, 10:31:40 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if that's true. It's the last thing the GOPe wants, but the Republican Party is getting gutted by Trump and refilled with Liberals & Democrats. Trump's voting bloc already LOOKS like a third party, a middle-left, left-of-enter party, doesn't it?
In short, I think Rush is correct, Hillary is beatable. If she was a strong candidate, Bernie would have been long-gone by the end-of-the-year, and it almost looks like he's gaining in popularity!?
If there ever is going to be a viable 3rd party, this might be the best time to do it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I know it's not true. Granted it's technically to late to try, but lets assume he threw a Tantrumpon, his so called base would quickly be exposed as being smaller than the media made it appear.
Those people would suddenly be isolated, they would see just how small of a group actually supports the lib.
I don't think Trump wants that image being held up for all to see. :biggrin:
Quote from: Hoofer on April 25, 2016, 10:31:40 AM
If there ever is going to be a viable 3rd party, this might be the best time to do it.
If it was anybody, ANYBODY other than Trump....maybe. Look at how ineptly his campaign has been run and think of the infrastructure needed as well as what they wont be getting from the GOP.
....then factor in everyone jumping off the bandwagon as solar described above.
Hate to agree with Rove, but it is comical
Quote from: Sauce on April 25, 2016, 11:23:19 AM
If it was anybody, ANYBODY other than Trump....maybe. Look at how ineptly his campaign has been run and think of the infrastructure needed as well as what they wont be getting from the GOP.
....then factor in everyone jumping off the bandwagon as solar described above.
Hate to agree with Rove, but it is comical
I am certainly not a Rove advocate, but he is on target here. If you cannot get on the ballot in all the states his appeal is greatly diminished. He wants no part of being embarrassed.
I'll preface this with, I see from "farthest left" to "left", Bernie, Hillary, Trump. ...and I don't honestly see any of them winning the General Election... Just an opinion, I think they're all either too far "LEFT", and/or too dishonest and would be easily savaged ("target rich environment", who ever said that, is brilliant, concise).
Quote from: Solar on April 24, 2016, 07:41:27 AM
My personal belief is that Trump hates the GOP'e as libs do, he saw this as an opportunity to help his business and drop out on a high note.
Problem is, he started believing he was exactly what the media was claiming he was, Teflon Don, that he actually had a shot at the WH.
Yeah, he's that much of an idiot, so much so, he's played right into their hands like the useful idiot he is.
Thank God Ted will take the WH instead, but not before Trump does as much damage as possible, even leaving some to question the legitimacy of his a Cruz win.
Why is anyone listening to Carl "Romney" Rove anymore?
I wouldn't be surprised if he did make good on his threat of a third party run and tried it.
Precisely because I agree I think he hates the RNC.
Running on a third party ticket would divide the republican party even more than it is now. Siphoning enough votes off whomever the RNC candidates in, and usher in Hitlery as the winner.
It will be Ross Perot all over again.
God forbid.
Quote from: daidalos on April 26, 2016, 07:06:16 AM
Why is anyone listening to Carl "Romney" Rove anymore?
I wouldn't be surprised if he did make good on his threat of a third party run and tried it.
Precisely because I agree I think he hates the RNC.
Running on a third party ticket would divide the republican party even more than it is now. Siphoning enough votes off whomever the RNC candidates in, and usher in Hitlery as the winner.
It will be Ross Perot all over again.
God forbid.
Nope, Trump is not as popular as the media wants you to think he is, in fact I believe if he was stupid enough to bail, that would end his campaign on the spot.
This Nation hates whiny quitters.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 25, 2016, 01:39:12 PM
I am certainly not a Rove advocate, but he is on target here. If you cannot get on the ballot in all the states his appeal is greatly diminished. He wants no part of being embarrassed.
Something Mr. Rove apparently has forgotten is that you don't have to run in all the states to win the Presidency.
To win the Presidency you simply have to win the states that will give you enough electoral college votes to win it.
That's achievable, without even running at all in several states, come to think of it.
If Trump is already on the ballot in those states that would give him enough electoral votes to win, as I said I wouldn't bet the farm on what Rove is saying. But then again, as with Obozo, Clinton and Sanders I wouldn't put anything past Donald Trump. Given his clear cut vindictiveness I could see him doing it just to make the party lose.
But then again I've thought he was a plant, put in place just for that purpose since day one too though so....
Quote from: daidalos on April 26, 2016, 11:34:11 AM
Something Mr. Rove apparently has forgotten is that you don't have to run in all the states to win the Presidency.
To win the Presidency you simply have to win the states that will give you enough electoral college votes to win it.
That's achievable, without even running at all in several states, come to think of it.
If Trump is already on the ballot in those states that would give him enough electoral votes to win, as I said I wouldn't bet the farm on what Rove is saying. But then again, as with Obozo, Clinton and Sanders I wouldn't put anything past Donald Trump. Given his clear cut vindictiveness I could see him doing it just to make the party lose.
But then again I've thought he was a plant, put in place just for that purpose since day one too though so....
Here are the deadlines to run for President as an independent:
May 9 Texas
June 6 Colorado
June 16 Vermont
June 24 North Carolina
June 27 Illinois
June 29 Rhode Island
June 30 New Mexico
July 12 Georgia
July 15 Florida, Indiana, Oklahoma, South Carolina
July 18-21 Republican Convention
July 21 Michigan
August 1 Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania
August 2 South Dakota, Wisconsin
The states whose deadline is before the convention
have a total of 166 electoral votes.
All except Vermont, Rhode Island, Illinois, and New Mexico
have to be considered must-win states
for a Republican to become President.
Quote from: je_freedom on April 27, 2016, 08:16:20 PM
Here are the deadlines to run for President as an independent:
May 9 Texas
June 6 Colorado
June 16 Vermont
June 24 North Carolina
June 27 Illinois
June 29 Rhode Island
June 30 New Mexico
July 12 Georgia
July 15 Florida, Indiana, Oklahoma, South Carolina
July 18-21 Republican Convention
July 21 Michigan
August 1 Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania
August 2 South Dakota, Wisconsin
The states whose deadline is before the convention
have a total of 166 electoral votes.
All except Vermont, Rhode Island, Illinois, and New Mexico
have to be considered must-win states
for a Republican to become President.
Good post. Thanks. This also shows why the idea GOPe would run a third party candidate is nonsense.