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Title: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Castle_Bravo on July 03, 2020, 06:12:57 AM
The rest of the world looks at us with pity. What a FUBAR situation.


Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/hospitalization-rise-is-cause-for-concern/

QuotePatients suffering from COVID-19 are rapidly filling hospitals across the South and West, with Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, Nevada and Arizona setting records for hospitalizations Thursday, a sign that the coronavirus pandemic is entering a dangerous new phase.

In Arizona, where the virus appears to be spreading out of control, hospitals rushed to expand capacity and adopted practices similar to those employed at the height of the outbreak in New York City and Italy, including doubling up hospital beds in rooms, pausing elective surgeries and bringing in health-care workers from other states.

Perhaps most chillingly, at the urging of doctors and advisers, state officials this week activated "crisis standards of care" protocols, which determine for hospitals which patients get ventilators and care as the system becomes overwhelmed under the crush of patients.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Killer Clouds on July 03, 2020, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Castle_Bravo on July 03, 2020, 06:12:57 AM
The rest of the world looks at us with pity. What a FUBAR situation.


Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/hospitalization-rise-is-cause-for-concern/
The rest of the world looks at us with envy casshole_bravado.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2020, 07:27:58 AM
Quote from: Castle_Bravo on July 03, 2020, 06:12:57 AM
The rest of the world looks at us with pity. What a FUBAR situation.

Yeah, look at the mess the left is making of their Dim run shitholes, yet millions from around te world still want to immigrate here.
Guess where they want to settle? Sure as Hell isn't DC!
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Billy's bayonet on July 03, 2020, 07:37:07 AM
I wonder how many of these new WU flu patients were tearing down statues, burning buildings & throwing bricks at the cops?

I wonder again at how many are u vaccinated illegal aliens that snuck into OUR COuntry carrying not only the Chinese virus but TB, HEp B& C and a host of other third world diseases?
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: nzone on July 03, 2020, 08:25:00 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 03, 2020, 07:37:07 AM
I wonder how many of these new WU flu patients were tearing down statues, burning buildings & throwing bricks at the cops?

I wonder again at how many are u vaccinated illegal aliens that snuck into OUR COuntry carrying not only the Chinese virus but TB, HEp B& C and a host of other third world diseases?

All we hear about is more cases, more cases. Yes their are more cases because of more testing. Of those tested how many test positive? 80 % do not. How many of those that have symptoms DIE? That is the critical number. The recovery rate is around 99%. Of those that DIE how many have pre existing conditions. NEVER hear those RESULTS. Just more cases, more cases and spread more FEAR, more FEAR. :cursing: :cursing:
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: nzone on July 03, 2020, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2020, 07:27:58 AM
Yeah, look at the mess the left is making of their Dim run shitholes, yet millions from around te world still want to immigrate here.
Guess where they want to settle? Sure as Hell isn't DC!
Also if this country is so BAD don't see anyone in LINE to LEAVE. Certainly no Pro Jocks, Hollywood, RINOS, LIBS and everyone wants to come to this hellhole. How many said if TRUMP elected in 2016 they would leave the country? In most cases the people would pay for their ONE WAY plane ticket. NOT ONE left and CHER is still doing anyone that can get it UP. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 10:20:07 AM
The reality  is  there  is  no crisis. Hospitals arent  filling  up.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Billy's bayonet on July 03, 2020, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: nzone on July 03, 2020, 08:25:00 AM
All we hear about is more cases, more cases. Yes their are more cases because of more testing. Of those tested how many test positive? 80 % do not. How many of those that have symptoms DIE? That is the critical number. The recovery rate is around 99%. Of those that DIE how many have pre existing conditions. NEVER hear those RESULTS. Just more cases, more cases and spread more FEAR, more FEAR. :cursing: :cursing:

One must wonder how many test false positive
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 03, 2020, 10:28:07 AM
One must wonder how many test false positive

funny how so many come up WITH covid within 24 hours of the test.  Know what i'm sayin'.   suspicious to me.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: Castle_Bravo on July 03, 2020, 06:12:57 AM
The rest of the world looks at us with pity. What a FUBAR situation.


Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/hospitalization-rise-is-cause-for-concern/

what a load of BS.   
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 10:20:07 AM
The reality  is  there  is  no crisis. Hospitals arent  filling  up.

the truth right here.   Hospitals are NOT filling up with covid patients...they're filling up...but not at capacity by the people who were afraid to enter the hospital over the past 4 months and with people who are not having their elective surgeries.    I fear for them because I don't know if that bounty for covid patients is still in effect.   So they could conceivably be exposed in the hospital.  Nosocomial infections.

The media is flat out lying. 
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2020, 12:07:10 PM

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@Surgeon_General
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 11:50:17 AM
the truth right here.   Hospitals are NOT filling up with covid patients...they're filling up...but not at capacity by the people who were afraid to enter the hospital over the past 4 months and with people who are not having their elective surgeries.    I fear for them because I don't know if that bounty for covid patients is still in effect.   So they could conceivably be exposed in the hospital.  Nosocomial infections.

The media is flat out lying.

Plenty  of  beds available  in california

(https://scontent.forf1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106327186_10163664510195433_7687027529745663476_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQkyVOlJE0N2Qh9SNa1pD7dlNk3x_FUYw__PDDxQNi8oU6imI5YNrPu9G09V_MIgxwE&_nc_ht=scontent.forf1-3.fna&oh=d78cee1dbebe208d26eef890404ad91d&oe=5F26C5A3)

In reality they are  below  average capacity  in California. Newsome, pig  vomit, is punishing everyone because hispanic AG workers are  bumping  up cases while deaths  continue to fall 
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2020, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
Plenty  of  beds available  in california

(https://scontent.forf1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106327186_10163664510195433_7687027529745663476_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQkyVOlJE0N2Qh9SNa1pD7dlNk3x_FUYw__PDDxQNi8oU6imI5YNrPu9G09V_MIgxwE&_nc_ht=scontent.forf1-3.fna&oh=d78cee1dbebe208d26eef890404ad91d&oe=5F26C5A3)

In reality they are  below  average capacity  in California. Newsome, pig  vomit, is punishing everyone because hispanic AG workers are  bumping  up cases while deaths  continue to fall
Link?
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:06:12 PM
And yes, hospitals  get a  bonus  if a  patient comes  in with lung cancer and they call it a  corona  hospitalization
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 02:07:35 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:06:12 PM
And yes, hospitals  get a  bonus  if a  patient comes  in with lung cancer and they call it a  corona  hospitalization

that's fraud..and it should be prosecuted.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1279139798549069824 (https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1279139798549069824)

Its from Justin Hart who has been on top of this  non-crisis  from the  beginning. What filthwad  liberals wont tell you  is hospitals, like any businees need to operate at near  100% capacity to make a  profit. Week 26 is  now by the way. And again, Newsome  is  punishing everyone for  hispanic AG workers.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 02:07:35 PM
that's fraud..and it should be prosecuted.

Its  happening as we speak. You come  in the hospital for  a gall bladder  removal, you  test  positive for corona with no symptons, and they convert you  to a  corona hospitalization to get extra  money. If the fed govt ended to payouts to hospitals for  corona, corona  hospitalizations would  plunge
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:27:04 PM
I dont  know  if you  can see this but  everyone  in CA is  being  punished because the  top 5 counties have almost all the cases coming  now  from mexican AG workers

https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19HospitalsDashboard/Hospitals?:embed=y&:showVizHome=no (https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID-19HospitalsDashboard/Hospitals?:embed=y&:showVizHome=no)

From te CA dept  of  health. Notice after the  top 5 counties corona  isnt even a  blip in CA.

You will have to click the  link and not  surprisingly people  in CA are  pissed off because corona  is  NOTHING in 90% of the state
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Something else you  wont see  in the  media. Corona is quickly  dissipating.

https://twitter.com/pdubdev/status/1279078464138575872 (https://twitter.com/pdubdev/status/1279078464138575872)

And remember something, the CDC  is  now saying we  have at  least 10times  more people who have  had  it, and  i say its  probably  30 times  more since the CDC has  been consistently  wrong. But  10 times  more  infections means divide that  1% by  10 and  you  get a flu death rate.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: American Exceptionalism on July 03, 2020, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Castle_Bravo on July 03, 2020, 06:12:57 AM
The rest of the world looks at us with pity. What a FUBAR situation.


Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/hospitalization-rise-is-cause-for-concern/

Well in that case I suspect you don't want anyone's pity so make a new country... home.


Quote"I think it's pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction," Anthony Fauci, the country's top infectious-disease expert, said during a YouTube live stream.


We all know how consistent and correct Dr. Fooci has been, don't we?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:48:36 PM
This  goes along with the  last  post  i made. The  pandemic  is  over.

Real Developments
@pdubdev
The COVID epidemic is over. 

Per CDC guidelines the epidemic threshold is crossed when a disease causes more than 7.2% of the total weekly deaths.  COVID became a CDC defined epidemic in the 1st week of April and stopped being one in mid-June.

You have to take time to look for  it, but there  is  plenty  of sober accurate  infor  out there. This is why i am so pissed off with Trump. Fauci wants  lockdowns and  i doubt trump sees any of this
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
This  is Arizona where the  idiot REPUBLICAN governor  is  panicking  over  nothing

https://twitter.com/pdubdev/status/1279091908959059969 (https://twitter.com/pdubdev/status/1279091908959059969)
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2020, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
This  is Arizona where the  idiot REPUBLICAN governor  is  panicking  over  nothing

https://twitter.com/pdubdev/status/1279091908959059969 (https://twitter.com/pdubdev/status/1279091908959059969)

All your links are dead, try again

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Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 03:22:29 PM
must have been like this in Germany as the Nazis were taking over.....businesses busting their asses to appease the new incoming leaders.   Media currying favor and reporting falsehoods directed by government.   In our case, blue state governments attempting to impose their will over sane americans.    Nazi common folk ready and willing to take action against jews and the inferior.. the unborn, elderly, infirm, trump supporters.     People wearing this that and the other, doing this that and the other to show their support of their new masters so as to be eaten last.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 03:24:19 PM
Just  click on the  blue  bird  in the tweet and  it  comes right  up.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2020, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:12:16 PM
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1279139798549069824 (https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1279139798549069824)

Its from Justin Hart who has been on top of this  non-crisis  from the  beginning. What filthwad  liberals wont tell you  is hospitals, like any businees need to operate at near  100% capacity to make a  profit. Week 26 is  now by the way. And again, Newsome  is  punishing everyone for  hispanic AG workers.
What I wanted was his source to that chart. I know for a fact that Norcal is not experiencing any issues with hospitalization, they're virtually empty, with the exception of people finally getting much needed care they were forbidden earlier.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Possum on July 03, 2020, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
Its  happening as we speak. You come  in the hospital for  a gall bladder  removal, you  test  positive for corona with no symptons, and they convert you  to a  corona hospitalization to get extra  money. If the fed govt ended to payouts to hospitals for  corona, corona  hospitalizations would  plunge
And I bet you can not prove any of this. You and fake news have a lot in common. Will cnn lead off with this story tonight or was that last night?
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 03:45:34 PM
Quote from: Possum on July 03, 2020, 03:42:40 PM
And I bet you can not prove any of this. You and fake news have a lot in common. Will cnn lead off with this story tonight or was that last night?

You really  dont  know what you are talking about, do you? Why would CNN want to debunk the  panic?
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2020, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
https://twitter.com/pdubdev
https://twitter.com/Tony__Heller
https://twitter.com/kylamb8
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher
https://twitter.com/ianmSC
https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes
https://twitter.com/boriquagato
https://twitter.com/justin_hart
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic
https://twitter.com/alexberenson
https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner
https://twitter.com/TomFitton

When i have time  i will have  more. All very accurate and documented.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2020, 03:42:24 PM
What I wanted was his source to that chart. I know for a fact that Norcal is not experiencing any issues with hospitalization, they're virtually empty, with the exception of people finally getting much needed care they were forbidden earlier.

All i can tell you  is Justin Hart is totally  accurate. I  have  no doubt to question him and  i assume  its from the ca  dept  of  health, just  like the  link i shared about the  individual counties. As  far as Possum goes, thats the aggravating thing. Even the  people  on here mostly  get their  info from CNN, MSNBC, AND  FOX. Do some research and digging  for  yourself.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Possum on July 03, 2020, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 03:45:34 PM
You really  dont  know what you are talking about, do you? Why would CNN want to debunk the  panic?
I missed the part where you proved what you were saying. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Solar on July 03, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
Even the  people  on here mostly  get their  info from CNN, MSNBC, AND  FOX. Do some research and digging  for  yourself.
I highly doubt that!
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Possum on July 03, 2020, 04:40:41 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 03, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
All i can tell you  is Justin Hart is totally  accurate. I  have  no doubt to question him and  i assume  its from the ca  dept  of  health, just  like the  link i shared about the  individual counties. As  far as Possum goes, thats the aggravating thing. Even the  people  on here mostly  get their  info from CNN, MSNBC, AND  FOX. Do some research and digging  for  yourself.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Getting your information for cnn, msnbc and fox is not research, you are just showing how gullible you are.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: taxed on July 03, 2020, 04:46:26 PM
Are people still pretending that we're in a pandemic?
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Possum on July 03, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
Quote from: taxed on July 03, 2020, 04:46:26 PM
Are people still pretending that we're in a pandemic?
Yeah, and they are losing their sense of humor too. Had a guy tell me ( i guess because I was not wearing a mask) that HE was wearing a mask for my protection. I told him that's why I carry, for HIS protection. Really agitated the poor dipshit.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: WMK on July 04, 2020, 04:59:05 AM
Quote from: Calypso Jones on July 03, 2020, 11:46:54 AM
what a load of BS.   

I'd say its more than "a load of BS". IMO, it's a hyped disinformation program engineered  to control the 'herd' attack POTUS and maintain lofty ratings.
There's little or no separation of scheduled surgeries that were put on hold and new Covid entries,  making it appear that 'hospitalizations' are on the increase solely due to the "pandemic."

The truth lies in the information/data the media is not providing:
One example,
Number of deaths vs. number of infected
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Possum on July 04, 2020, 06:24:38 AM
Quote from: WMK on July 04, 2020, 04:59:05 AM
I'd say its more than "a load of BS". IMO, it's a hyped disinformation program engineered  to control the 'herd' attack POTUS and maintain lofty ratings.
There's little or no separation of scheduled surgeries that were put on hold and new Covid entries,  making it appear that 'hospitalizations' are on the increase solely due to the "pandemic."

The truth lies in the information/data the media is not providing:
One example,
Number of deaths vs. number of infected
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Texas is shutting down bars again, adding new restrictions to other businesses. Most of the patrons who go to bars are young, healthy, employed, have health insurance, etc, is this not the group that needs to get the virus in order to gain herd immunity? I do not think this will be solved by hiding under a rock.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: WMK on July 04, 2020, 07:57:35 AM
Quote from: Possum on July 04, 2020, 06:24:38 AM
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Texas is shutting down bars again, adding new restrictions to other businesses. Most of the patrons who go to bars are young, healthy, employed, have health insurance, etc, is this not the group that needs to get the virus in order to gain herd immunity? I do not think this will be solved by hiding under a rock.

Had there been no lock-down, and those most vulnerable been quarantined properly from the onset, this so called 'second wave' would have already been reduced to a mere ripple and many more Americans would have been more emboldened to be basking inthis summer and getting on with their lives.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 04, 2020, 09:52:09 AM
No hospital bed  crisis  in arizona

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279417557313654785 (https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279417557313654785)

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279417560505520128 (https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279417560505520128)
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 04, 2020, 09:57:18 AM
Plenty  of space available  in all the "hotspot states

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279413970835607552 (https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1279413970835607552)
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: ldub23 on July 04, 2020, 10:03:52 AM
Quote from: WMK on July 04, 2020, 07:57:35 AM
Had there been no lock-down, and those most vulnerable been quarantined properly from the onset, this so called 'second wave' would have already been reduced to a mere ripple and many more Americans would have been more emboldened to be basking inthis summer and getting on with their lives.

Had we done  nothing at all fewer  people would  be dead
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: WMK on July 11, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
Quote from: ldub23 on July 04, 2020, 10:03:52 AM
Had we done  nothing at all fewer  people would  be dead

If Andrew Cuomo had an accident and been knocked unconscious for a month or so, thousands more would probably be alive today.
Title: Re: Rise in Covid hospitalizations signals pandemic entering dangerous new phase
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: WMK on July 11, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
If Andrew Cuomo had an accident and been knocked unconscious for a month or so, thousands more would probably be alive today.

no doubt.