These fucks have got to go. But they can't blame the Dims for this leftist POS this time.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) struck a deal in February to increase domestic and military spending by nearly $300 billion over the next two years. The bill includes an additional $90 billion in disaster aid for states and localities affected by last year's hurricanes and $140 billion for emergency military funds.
Jason Pye, vice president of legislative affairs for FreedomWorks, said, "Republicans don't know how to stop spending money."
House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-NC) lamented in an interview with Breitbart News Daily on Tuesday that the "Senate Democrats seem to be calling most of the shots."
A report on Monday suggested that the omnibus spending bill will not include a bailout of Obamacare.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), another member of the House Freedom Caucus, suggested that a number of liberal policies will be included in the omnibus, without any substantial border wall funding.
Jordan said, "Planned Parenthood, Gateway Bridge, Planned Parenthood, trillion dollar deficit, and no wall."
The omnibus spending bill includes funding for the New York Gateway Bridge project that will benefit Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY).
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/21/congress-releases-the-1-3-trillion-2232-page-omnibus-spending-bill/
Paul Ryan BLOCKS Trump's Border Wall in New Spending Bill - Time To Go
House Majority Leader Paul Ryan (R-WI) has introduced one of the largest spending bills in the history of the United States of America's government with nearly a trillion dollars in expenses - but has failed to produce the necessary $25 billion President Trump has required for his Border Wall proposal.
Included in the massive waste of spending is nearly $30 billion for Obamacare markets, that will "fund insurer payments known as cost-sharing reduction payments for three years, and offer $30 billion in reinsurance funds distributed evenly for three years,
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/republicans-propose-billions-in-new-obamacare-funding
Mitch got rolled again. Trump got some stuff he wanted (no DACA or funding for Obamacare) but the bill is poison. I hope Trump sees this and bins it.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 21, 2018, 07:29:35 PM
Mitch got rolled again. Trump got some stuff he wanted (no DACA or funding for Obamacare) but the bill is poison. I hope Trump sees this and bins it.
There's nothing in it Trump campaigned on, so I don't see any reason to sign it. Let's hope, anyway.
Quote from: Solar on March 21, 2018, 07:41:17 PM
There's nothing in it Trump campaigned on, so I don't see any reason to sign it. Let's hope, anyway.
Based on his tweets he supports it.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 21, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
Based on his tweets he supports it.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Read a few but still didn't see an outright approval.
Though I did see something rather odd. Trump never talks in third person. Is someone tweeting for him? :blink:
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This shit here makes me want to stop being a republican.
I hope the Freedom Caucus can stop it or Trump will veto it. Shut down the government!
Quote from: T Hunt on March 22, 2018, 02:30:19 AM
This shit here makes me want to stop being a republican.
This is the shit that invigorates me even more towards stealing the GOP from these leftist crony scum.
As a party, they've never been for the American people, so it's time they've had their asses kicked to the curb.
"Collusion" between Ryan and Schumer to undermine Trump. Those asshole's know that Trump will probaby veto the Bill en totale or perhaps line item veto the Bill, either of which will likely shut down the Govt by Friday. Then they'll both start screaming about how "Trump shut down the Govt"...LET's IMPEACH HIM!....or something along those lines.
Really tired of these people.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 22, 2018, 05:41:49 AM
"Collusion" between Ryan and Schumer to undermine Trump. Those asshole's know that Trump will probaby veto the Bill en totale or perhaps line item veto the Bill, either of which will likely shut down the Govt by Friday. Then they'll both start screaming about how "Trump shut down the Govt"...LET's IMPEACH HIM!....or something along those lines.
Really tired of these people.
Billy, if I am remembering right, which isn't all that likely, the scotus took away the line item veto during the clinton administration.Did congress put it back in? Anyway, I don't see the votes in the senate.
Trump should veto the monstrosity but i doubt he will. He should demand the wall be funded. If the republicans join dems and override the veto then the reps will suffer the consequences in NOV.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 22, 2018, 05:41:49 AM
"Collusion" between Ryan and Schumer to undermine Trump. Those asshole's know that Trump will probaby veto the Bill en totale or perhaps line item veto the Bill, either of which will likely shut down the Govt by Friday. Then they'll both start screaming about how "Trump shut down the Govt"...LET's IMPEACH HIM!....or something along those lines.
Really tired of these people.
Be very surprised TRUMP will veto the BILL. They have him by the BALLS and they know it. The plan is to LOSE the midterms in the HOUSE and the DEMS start IMPEACHMENT and the SENATE goes along wit it 100%. The RINO Governor just appointed another RINO to replace Thad Cochran in the SENATE and looking at the smirk grin of McConnell at the announcement tells all he has POTUS by the Balls and they know it.
On last night's 'Ingle Angle' Laura cut Trump a new one-n she challenged him to do what he was elected to do and shrink government and government spending. Then there was the funding of *sanctuary cities and Planned Parenthood* (AKA baby killers).
She was pissed he even entertained the idea of going along with those two 'established' republicans - Ryan & McConnell.
Trump is looking weak and he will appear weaker still if he allows the rinos and establishment republicans to shoe-horn him into copies of themselves.
This is a 'make or break' issue for Trump, no doubt about it.
Quote from: Belenus on March 22, 2018, 12:13:43 PM
On last night's 'Ingle Angle' Laura cut Trump a new one-n she challenged him to do what he was elected to do and shrink government and government spending. Then there was the funding of *sanctuary cities and Planned Parenthood* (AKA baby killers).
She was pissed he even entertained the idea of going along with those two 'established' republicans - Ryan & McConnell.
Trump is looking weak and he will appear weaker still if he allows the rinos and establishment republicans to shoe-horn him into copies of themselves.
This is a 'make or break' issue for Trump, no doubt about it.
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Trump is less a a principled conservative than Howdy Doody and
currently in an obsessive rage over McCabe, Mueller and Comey.
Expect all this to end poorly.
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Trump is less a a principled conservative than Howdy Doody and
currently in an obsessive rage over McCabe, Mueller and Comey.
Expect all this to end poorly.
Let us not forget that Trump is not and never has been a conservative. He is a patriot that does things he thinks is best for America. So far he has surprised most of us as he has governed in a more conservative mode. Much of this has to do deal with national security and border control. Fiscal conservatism is not his forte'.
Trump's amorphous personality is starting to alarm some of his staunchest supporters.. myself included.
I thought the guy was made of better, sterner stuff.
That said, he's still light years ahead of the alternative offered us Nov. 2016!
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 22, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
Let us not forget that Trump is not and never has been a conservative. He is a patriot that does things he thinks is best for America. So far he has surprised most of us as he has governed in a more conservative mode. Much of this has to do deal with national security and border control. Fiscal conservatism is not his forte'.
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Accurate and fair assessment.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 22, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
Let us not forget that Trump is not and never has been a conservative. He is a patriot that does things he thinks is best for America. So far he has surprised most of us as he has governed in a more conservative mode. Much of this has to do deal with national security and border control. Fiscal conservatism is not his forte'.
Trump will sign his impeachment warrant when he signs this BILL. McTurttle and Lyin Ryan have TRUMP by the Balls and they know it. DEMS will win Minterms and Impeachment proceedings will start in Jan 2019. Trump has no one to blame but himself if this happens. He tried to kiss up to the SNAKES and did not realize they were still SNAKES. If for some reason the DEMS do not take the house in 2018 , will TRUMP learn anything???????
Quote from: nzone on March 23, 2018, 04:30:21 AM
Trump will sign his impeachment warrant when he signs this BILL. McTurttle and Lyin Ryan have TRUMP by the Balls and they know it. DEMS will win Minterms and Impeachment proceedings will start in Jan 2019. Trump has no one to blame but himself if this happens. He tried to kiss up to the SNAKES and did not realize they were still SNAKES. If for some reason the DEMS do not take the house in 2018 , will TRUMP learn anything???????
I see this Bill as a trap. If Trump does NOT sign it, the leftist assholes and their RINO puppets will scream like bratty children "Trump shut down the Govt" People are going to
DIE! NOW We have the grounds to impeach him!!!!!" Blah blah blah....
If He DOES sign the Bill, the Base will be P.O'ed.....
Either way he loses.
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I am considering a VETO of the Omnibus Spending Bill based on the fact that the 800,000 plus DACA recipients have been totally abandoned by the Democrats (not even mentioned in Bill) and the BORDER WALL, which is desperately needed for our National Defense, is not fully funded.
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I am considering a VETO of the Omnibus Spending Bill based on the fact that the 800,000 plus DACA recipients have been totally abandoned by the Democrats (not even mentioned in Bill) and the BORDER WALL, which is desperately needed for our National Defense, is not fully funded.
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Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 06:17:57 AM
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I knew this would amuse. :thumbsup:
I find it hard to believe everyone takes everything at face value when it comes to Trump.
The guy is a master at deception, or rather getting the best deal. As in this case, he highlights DACA, as if that's really a concern to anyone but the left and RINO, who he just peeled another layer of skin from by mentioning it because it exposes them for the frauds they are.
So who does this really target? McCON_nel and Ryan, this throws it right back in their lap for writing such a piece of shit Bill and no matter how it's spun, Trump will come out the winner.
Trump is solidly in the driver seat and the left is standing right in front of the bus with McCON-nel..
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 05:50:36 AM
I see this Bill as a trap. If Trump does NOT sign it, the leftist assholes and their RINO puppets will scream like bratty children "Trump shut down the Govt" People are going to DIE! NOW We have the grounds to impeach him!!!!!" Blah blah blah....
If He DOES sign the Bill, the Base will be P.O'ed.....
Either way he loses.
You are correct BUT did we all vote for TRUMP to be NICE or to do something for this USA?
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 06:28:31 AM
:lol:
I knew this would amuse. :thumbsup:
I find it hard to believe everyone takes everything at face value when it comes to Trump.
The guy is a master at deception, or rather getting the best deal. As in this case, he highlights DACA, as if that's really a concern to anyone but the left and RINO, who he just peeled another layer of skin from by mentioning it because it exposes them for the frauds they are.
So who does this really target? McCON_nel and Ryan, this throws it right back in their lap for writing such a piece of shit Bill and no matter how it's spun, Trump will come out the winner.
Trump is solidly in the driver seat and the left is standing right in front of the bus with McCON-nel..
You are RIGHT. Just saw a Daily Caller headline saying TRUMP DID veto the Bill. Cannot confirm that yet but hope it is correct! :thumbsup:
Quote from: nzone on March 23, 2018, 07:20:47 AM
You are RIGHT. Just saw a Daily Caller headline saying TRUMP DID veto the Bill. Cannot confirm that yet but hope it is correct! :thumbsup:
You needed the DC to verify Trump's own words he Tweeted? :lol:
Congress Gives Itself a Bonus in Omnibus
Senate increases budget by $48 million, salaries by $12 million
The House and Senate increased their own budgets in the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending package.
The Senate increased its total salaries of officers and employees by $12.6 million in the 2,232-page bill that lawmakers had fewer than 48 hours to read and vote on. The bill avoids a government shutdown that would take place at midnight on Friday.
More~~~
http://freebeacon.com/politics/congress-gives-bonus-omnibus/
Ronald Reagan address the problem in 1988 during his State of the Union Speech when he explained why American Presidents need a line item veto!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG-DZqOX_wc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG-DZqOX_wc)
By the way, even on state and local level, the Democrats always cut necessary services such as public safety and even taking care of the roads and picking up the trash. When the people scream to restore the cuts, thn they slip in their new increases in spending on social programs.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 08:01:59 AM
You needed the DC to verify Trump's own words he Tweeted? :lol:
FYI there is a difference between DID and might or considering?? :lol:
Quote from: nzone on March 23, 2018, 09:07:04 AM
FYI there is a difference between DID and might or considering?? :lol:
Which has what to do with what I posted?
Quit trying to obfuscate, or move the goal posts, this is getting beyond annoying!
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Which has what to do with what I posted?
Quit trying to obfuscate, or move the goal posts, this is getting beyond annoying!
You make smart shits remarks and you are ok with that. Someone takes it to you and it is annoying. Grow up Pamaja Boy!! :sneaky:
Well hes signing it. This is strike one for me. This is the first thing he has done where i think he has caved. This is his second defeat after the first obamacare repeal. He shld have shut it all down. Most americans arnt actually angered or even affected by a shutdown. The rinos are having a field day.
Quote from: T Hunt on March 23, 2018, 10:37:11 AM
Well hes signing it. This is strike one for me. This is the first thing he has done where i think he has caved. This is his second defeat after the first obamacare repeal. He shld have shut it all down. Most americans arnt actually angered or even affected by a shutdown. The rinos are having a field day.
This won't play well anywhere.
BREAKING: Trump Reverses Himself, Signs Omnibus Crap Sandwich While Lamenting, 'I'll Never Sign Another Bill Like This Again'
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28599/breaking-trump-reverses-himself-signs-omnibus-crap-ben-shapiro?utm_source=sremail-ae&utm_medium=email&utm_content=032318-textversion&utm_campaign=textversion
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
This won't play well anywhere.
BREAKING: Trump Reverses Himself, Signs Omnibus Crap Sandwich While Lamenting, 'I'll Never Sign Another Bill Like This Again'
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28599/breaking-trump-reverses-himself-signs-omnibus-crap-ben-shapiro?utm_source=sremail-ae&utm_medium=email&utm_content=032318-textversion&utm_campaign=textversion
Clueless & Annoying :rolleyes: :biggrin: Not official yet? Could be FAKE NEWS? :rolleyes:
am so disappointed in Donald Trump. The only reason I'm not going with my gut and saying "F**k Him" is I don't feel like I have anywhere to go! Perhaps, I will feel different in time, but right now I'm furious at this so called, Deal Maker! :angry:
From where I stand, Trump just kissed his second term good-bye.
As stated by others here, this is strike TWO... and that more or less assigns Trump a place with Pelosi, Schumer and the Rinos, Ryan & McConnell.
Once more we have been betrayed, I fear. :thumbdown:
Quote from: Belenus on March 23, 2018, 12:09:39 PM
From where I stand, Trump just kissed his second term good-bye.
As stated by others here, this is strike TWO... and that more or less assigns Trump a place with Pelosi, Schumer and the Rinos, Ryan & McConnell.
Once more we have been betrayed, I fear. :thumbdown:
What was the first strike?
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 12:43:02 PM
What was the first strike?
This is just first strike for me. The failed obamacare repeal was really mccains fault so i dont hold that against him.
Boy everyone is so disappointed by this. I just listened to caller after caller on rush be pissed at this. Heres the thing tho, trumps reelection wont be for awhile. In the meantime who do we punish? Where do we spend our anger? Well what is going to happen is it will all be channeled at the midterm primaries coming up in may since trumps reelection is so far off.
This omnibus bill passing stinks like when obamacare was passed. After obamacare passed the tea party rose up for the midterms. We dont have the opportunity to punish trump but we can punish the RINOS who orchestrated it.
What a fool. The Trump train just crashed with the signing of this trillion dollar spending Bill. I see an impeachment in your future President Trump after you lose the senate and house in the mid-terms. Good luck Mr. President you just lost my support.
The really sad part of this is that Bill should have never made it to his desk with a republican senate and republican house. Now that it has you will lose most of your supporters while gaining a few democrats when you sign this Bill.
While these big government republicans, rinos, and republicans laugh at us now with this spending Bill I will have a laugh come to the mid-term elections when you call my house beggin' for money and support. Then it will be my turn to laugh in your face.
Let the bloodbath begin.
Nancy Peglosi is giggling like a little school girl.
Could it possibly be that the President and Congress know that we are far closer to a major war than any of us know? If so, it would be a plausible explanation for why both Trump and the GOP controlled Congress gave the Democrats all they wanted and in exchange for enough military spending to keep our nation safe.
Absent any such emergency, I find it very hard to accept that while holding such a very strong hand (majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Presidency, as well as a Conservative majority on the Supreme Court), the GOP and the President simply caved in. It reminds me of how George Herbert Walker Bush had such a high approval rating after Gen. Schwartzkoff and the Coalition won Desert Storm and kicked Saddam Hussain out of Kuwait.Bush then stole defeat from the jaws of victory and violated his "read my lips" pledge of "no new taxes" and pretty much committed political suicide. I still don't fully grasp why on earth he did that?
Quote from: wally on March 23, 2018, 04:01:22 PM
Could it possibly be that the President and Congress know that we are far closer to a major war than any of us know? If so, it would be a plausible explanation for why both Trump and the GOP controlled Congress gave the Democrats all they wanted and in exchange for enough military spending to keep our nation safe.
Absent any such emergency, I find it very hard to accept that while holding such a very strong hand (majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Presidency, as well as a Conservative majority on the Supreme Court), the GOP and the President simply caved in. It reminds me of how George Herbert Walker Bush had such a high approval rating after Gen. Schwartzkoff and the Coalition won Desert Storm and kicked Saddam Hussain out of Kuwait.Bush then stole defeat from the jaws of victory and violated his "read my lips" pledge of "no new taxes" and pretty much committed political suicide. I still don't fully grasp why on earth he did that?
Excellent point Wally, though it doesn't excuse the RINO that pushed it, it does make sense to restore our military to top condition considering the restructuring power base in the world taking place.
On another point mentioned right after his election, he could use the military to construct much of the wall.
I have no clue is there's any validity to it, but it could help explain signing this piece of shit Bill.
Quote from: Bronx on March 23, 2018, 03:30:43 PM
I see an impeachment in your future President Trump after you lose the senate and house in the mid-terms. Good luck Mr. President you just lost my support.
Impeach him for what?
Quote from: wally on March 23, 2018, 04:01:22 PM
Could it possibly be that the President and Congress know that we are far closer to a major war than any of us know? If so, it would be a plausible explanation for why both Trump and the GOP controlled Congress gave the Democrats all they wanted and in exchange for enough military spending to keep our nation safe.
Absent any such emergency, I find it very hard to accept that while holding such a very strong hand (majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Presidency, as well as a Conservative majority on the Supreme Court), the GOP and the President simply caved in. It reminds me of how George Herbert Walker Bush had such a high approval rating after Gen. Schwartzkoff and the Coalition won Desert Storm and kicked Saddam Hussain out of Kuwait.Bush then stole defeat from the jaws of victory and violated his "read my lips" pledge of "no new taxes" and pretty much committed political suicide. I still don't fully grasp why on earth he did that?
I didn't vote for Trump....I didn't vote at all I ws so pissed Ted cruz wasn't on the ballot.....However, Trump did win me over, that doubled when I saw the underhanded, vile, illegal and immoral tricks those scum used to destroy his Presidency and throw our nation into chaos.
I don't like what just happened BUT, I am trying to look through the pile of feces for a few kernals of undigested corn. Here's what I come up with.
A great deal of this budget is used for the Military and DEFENSE SPENDING....some of it is to hire new Prosecutors for the illegals, some to reinforce Law Enforcement, and the Border Patrol. There may even be a way to finagle funds for "The Wall" from the DEFENSE budget. Remember Defense spending is ALWAYS good for the economy. People will be going back to work on these high dollar defense contracts, THAT MEANS MORE JOBS AND GOOD PAYING JOBS. If you remember, our economy was crap when Reagan took office and when he increased Defense spending...remember what happened....
Another "kernal" there is nothing to fund DACA.....the Dems threw them under the bus.
Now if we want to kick someone's ass over this, I look at the RINO's come November, they planned this and I thinkthey set a Trap for Trump. If "we" take it out on anybody we need to take it out on the usual list of Villians....Ryano, MCConnell, etc etc etc.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
Excellent point Wally, though it doesn't excuse the RINO that pushed it, it does make sense to restore our military to top condition considering the restructuring power base in the world taking place.
On another point mentioned right after his election, he could use the military to construct much of the wall.
I have no clue is there's any validity to it, but it could help explain signing this piece of shit Bill.
Solar, there is more to it than that. There just has to be. Something has happened to force him to cave to Schumer and Pelosi. He could have shut the fing government down and no one would have suffered for it; actually could have blamed the dems for it, but he simply didn't. I have an awful fear of what is going on behind the scenes - things from which we cannot recover our Constitutional Republic.
Trump says he signed it because of national security concerns and will never do it again which is BS because the same concerns will exist the next time.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 23, 2018, 05:17:04 PM
Trump says he signed it because of national security concerns and will never do it again which is BS because the same concerns will exist the next time.
Im getting tired of hearing Reps on tv saying it was a horrible bill but they had no choice because we need to bust the budget for the military. Force the dems to shut down the govt for damn once. Trump would have gained alot of support from the base with a veto. Instead, alot of conservatives arent going to vote in Nov. Trump just signed his own impeachment.
Quote from: ldub23 on March 23, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
Im getting tired of hearing Reps on tv saying it was a horrible bill but they had no choice because we need to bust the budget for the military. Force the dems to shut down the govt for damn once. Trump would have gained alot of support from the base with a veto. Instead, alot of conservatives arent going to vote in Nov. Trump just signed his own impeachment.
Well said.
Quote from: cubs2016 on March 23, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
Solar, there is more to it than that. There just has to be. Something has happened to force him to cave to Schumer and Pelosi. He could have shut the fing government down and no one would have suffered for it; actually could have blamed the dems for it, but he simply didn't. I have an awful fear of what is going on behind the scenes - things from which we cannot recover our Constitutional Republic.
After watching Trump for a year, I've come to a wait and see kind of approach. What other card is about to drop?
Trump has amazed with his masterful skill of manipulation, and even though he signed this POS, it's still a drop in the bucket of nearly 200 trillion in unfunded debt.
I'll wait and see what the coming weeks have to produce, Trump didn't do this to only have his base turn on him, I think he has another huge card to play, one that will make everyone forget what just happened.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
After watching Trump for a year, I've come to a wait and see kind of approach. What other card is about to drop?
Trump has amazed with his masterful skill of manipulation, and even though he signed this POS, it's still a drop in the bucket of nearly 200 trillion in unfunded debt.
I'll wait and see what the coming weeks have to produce, Trump didn't do this to only have his base turn on him, I think he has another huge card to play, one that will make everyone forget what just happened.
I'm trying to remain positive as well, thinking perhaps a compromise back channel on "something"
Could this massive defense spending have something to do with Bolton? WHat the hell is in the works?" NORK's?
Iran?
A "trade"...I'll sign Dem pork budget in exchange for Hillary and a bunch of Obamao admin indictments....such a deal!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 05:59:21 PM
I'm trying to remain positive as well, thinking perhaps a compromise back channel on "something"
Could this massive defense spending have something to do with Bolton? WHat the hell is in the works?" NORK's?
Iran?
A "trade"...I'll sign Dem pork budget in exchange for Hillary and a bunch of Obamao admin indictments....such a deal!
Same here. Though I think its China, NK is a mere afterthought in the big scheme of things.
I think Trump's Tariffs and smacking China is a way of crippling their military build up, they need us like a man needs air and without us and our dollars, they can't expand.
Add to that Trump's restoration of our military not seen since Reagan, puts us on a level leaps and bounds over China, in essence, he just kneecapped China's military growth and their design on Taiwan and trade routes in the South China Sea.
Now China will be forced into serious concessions, we're done playing the patsy to the rest of the world.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 06:15:16 PM
Same here. Though I think its China, NK is a mere afterthought in the big scheme of things.
I think Trump's Tariffs and smacking China is a way of crippling their military build up, they need us like a man needs air and without us and our dollars, they can't expand.
Add to that Trump's restoration of our military not seen since Reagan, puts us on a level leaps and bounds over China, in essence, he just kneecapped China's military growth and their design on Taiwan and trade routes in the South China Sea.
Now China will be forced into serious concessions, we're done playing the patsy to the rest of the world.
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Could be Trump is forcing China to choose....their economy or North Korea???????
Those greedy,ursurous, money grubbing commies would sell their Mothers to the devil for a penny
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 06:15:16 PM
Same here. Though I think its China, NK is a mere afterthought in the big scheme of things.
I think Trump's Tariffs and smacking China is a way of crippling their military build up, they need us like a man needs air and without us and our dollars, they can't expand.
Add to that Trump's restoration of our military not seen since Reagan, puts us on a level leaps and bounds over China, in essence, he just kneecapped China's military growth and their design on Taiwan and trade routes in the South China Sea.
Now China will be forced into serious concessions, we're done playing the patsy to the rest of the world.
The real world is a BITCH when you run out of making excuses. Just got fooled again. He will never finish his First term and the UNIPARTY are laughing there ass off about now. They have him by the BALLS and will squeeze harder in the months or come while they succeed in losing the mid terms. The IMPEACHMENT documents are already typed up. I guess the 4D chess playing better start kicking in soon :ttoung:
I guess we will see if defense contractor votes equal all the people who dont show up in Nov.
Quote from: nzone on March 23, 2018, 07:03:46 PM
The real world is a BITCH when you run out of making excuses. Just got fooled again. He will never finish his First term and the UNIPARTY are laughing there ass off about now. They have him by the BALLS and will squeeze harder in the months or come while they succeed in losing the mid terms. The IMPEACHMENT documents are already typed up. I guess the 4D chess playing better start kicking in soon :ttoung:
I fail to understand your glee in all of this, or is it you've already sided with the left and see some shining light on the horizon that they have a tiny glimmer of hope in destroying the country?
I myself actually get it, I see the big picture, I get it that without a strong US, the world will fall to communism, but I guess you're fine with that. Obviously.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
After watching Trump for a year, I've come to a wait and see kind of approach. What other card is about to drop?
Trump has amazed with his masterful skill of manipulation, and even though he signed this POS, it's still a drop in the bucket of nearly 200 trillion in unfunded debt.
I'll wait and see what the coming weeks have to produce, Trump didn't do this to only have his base turn on him, I think he has another huge card to play, one that will make everyone forget what just happened.
I have to admit I don't have your optimism. Turnout is the key in mid term elections and conservatives might stay home in November. With that said Trump's ego might save the day. When he realizes how the media and the democrats are portraying this he'll go all scorched earth.
That is why he was elected.
On a side not this abortion of a bill shows us we have a
long way to go before the party is purged of spineless RINOS.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 23, 2018, 07:42:10 PM
I have to admit I don't have your optimism. Turnout is the key in mid term elections and conservatives might stay home in November. With that said Trump's ego might save the day. When he realizes how the media and the democrats are portraying this he'll go all scorched earth. That is why he was elected.
On a side not this abortion of a bill shows us we have a long way to go before the party is purged of spineless RINOS.
I wouldn't call it optimism, rather just looking at from a reality standpoint.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 08:30:50 PM
I wouldn't call it optimism, rather just looking at from a reality standpoint.
Trump got rolled. I don't think he really understood DC. He just got slapped in the face. This could be a good thing. Based on Trumps history he's going to napalm the DNC.
I hope.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 23, 2018, 08:42:00 PM
Trump got rolled. I don't think he really understood DC. He just got slapped in the face. This could be a good thing. Based on Trumps history he's going to napalm the DNC.
I hope.
I hope he bombs the gop'E. I've no doubt they explained just how they planned to damage him over a govt shutdown, so hopefully, lesson learned.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 08:45:04 PM
I hope he bombs the gop'E. I've no doubt they explained just how they planned to damage him over a govt shutdown, so hopefully, lesson learned.
First he needs to put Lindsey Graham in a cold shower because this bill gave Graham a raging mega boner. Graham wants to invade
everybody.
Lots of excuse mongering and rationalizing, as many are shocked, SHOCKED which is laughable as Trump was just being Trump. Some realities:
* Trump is not, never was, nor ever will be a principled conservative; as he has been nothing more than a corporate hustler his entire life. Amazingly, this is news to many.
* The GOP is not, never was, nor ever will be a principled conservative party. From day one in 1856, it had been the errand boy for the northern mercantile class which morphed into the industrial class and has now become the vehicle for the crony capitalist multi-national globalist gang and their K Street paymasters. Politically, it always promoted centralized government, never states rights; while economically it relentlessly promoted protectionism, never free trade even for a day; during the 70 years of its ascendancy from Johnson to Hoover. Jackass McKinley even argued that "Protectionism is a core of the Natural Law." Why of course.
We know that repeating the same behavior(voting republican) and expecting a different result is a form of mental illness.
When enough come to terms w/the reality of the GOP frauds and hustlers, meaningful change can emerge; otherwise we will continue to drift as our decline accelerates, w/carny barkers consoling us w/the refrain that "we are the greatest".
Quote from: ldub23 on March 23, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
I guess we will see if defense contractor votes equal all the people who dont show up in Nov.
After eight years of obama, we knew it would take a huge budget to fix and build up the military. One side benefit, negotiations with China and Russia seem to go better when we have a huge military. Without the crap in the budget, the military probably would not have received this budget, it looks like they got everything they wanted. THE DIMS GOT NOTHING FOR DACA. When they come down off their budget high, how will they explain this one. As for the midterms, conservatives have alot to gain with all the rinos retiring, staying away from the polls will only hurt themselves. Hopefully they (we) know that.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 05:15:26 PM
I didn't vote for Trump....I didn't vote at all I ws so pissed Ted cruz wasn't on the ballot.....However, Trump did win me over, that doubled when I saw the underhanded, vile, illegal and immoral tricks those scum used to destroy his Presidency and throw our nation into chaos.
I don't like what just happened BUT, I am trying to look through the pile of feces for a few kernals of undigested corn. Here's what I come up with.
A great deal of this budget is used for the Military and DEFENSE SPENDING....some of it is to hire new Prosecutors for the illegals, some to reinforce Law Enforcement, and the Border Patrol. There may even be a way to finagle funds for "The Wall" from the DEFENSE budget. Remember Defense spending is ALWAYS good for the economy. People will be going back to work on these high dollar defense contracts, THAT MEANS MORE JOBS AND GOOD PAYING JOBS. If you remember, our economy was crap when Reagan took office and when he increased Defense spending...remember what happened....
Another "kernal" there is nothing to fund DACA.....the Dems threw them under the bus.
Now if we want to kick someone's ass over this, I look at the RINO's come November, they planned this and I thinkthey set a Trap for Trump. If "we" take it out on anybody we need to take it out on the usual list of Villians....Ryano, MCConnell, etc etc etc.
Very good summation Billy. I wish Trump would have vetoed the bill, but I understand why he signed it as he was pushed into a corner by McConnell and Ryan. He values our military and protecting our country and this swayed him. This vote shows how we still have much work to do to rid congress of RINO's. Below is a link showing how the senators voted:
http://therightscoop.com/breaking-senate-passes-omnibus-spending-bill/
I was surprised one of my RINO senators, Richard Burr voted nay. My representative, Mark Meadows, penned a scathing memo to his constituents explaining his opposition. Unfortunately the Freedom Caucus was rolled by Ryan and the left in the house.
Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 08:45:04 PM
I hope he bombs the gop'E. I've no doubt they explained just how they planned to damage him over a govt shutdown, so hopefully, lesson learned.
Ditto. Time to go all out to destroy them.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 04:52:21 AM
Ditto. Time to go all out to destroy them.
How and what is the plan to destroy them???? The sooner the EXECUSES fade and real world of we just got fooled again is realized then moving forward to how the hell do we get our country back can start. TRUMP will be IMPEACHED if the DEMS take over the HOUSE. TRUMP and the DREAMERS will not like this, he just stabbed his supporters in the back?????? He will try and make amends with a few public moves that he has seen the light. He might even fire SESSIONS and Kelly, send JARVANKA and wife back to NY and some other public moves. Look for some TRUMP Rallies to start again to see if he has any support. The real battle he just CAVED, WHY ? WE don't know but the TRUMP days are numbered if the DEMS take Congress. Also, if the DEMS do not take Congress TRUMP will not be elected in 2020. Hopefully, Ted CRUZ primaries him and runs a smarter campaign this time. Bring more EXCUSES on!!!!! :cursing:
Quote from: nzone on March 24, 2018, 05:08:37 AM
How and what is the plan to destroy them???? The sooner the EXECUSES fade and real world of we just got fooled again is realized then moving forward to how the hell do we get our country back can start. TRUMP will be IMPEACHED if the DEMS take over the HOUSE. TRUMP and the DREAMERS will not like this, he just stabbed his supporters in the back?????? He will try and make amends with a few public moves that he has seen the light. He might even fire SESSIONS and Kelly, send JARVANKA and wife back to NY and some other public moves. Look for some TRUMP Rallies to start again to see if he has any support. The real battle he just CAVED, WHY ? WE don't know but the TRUMP days are numbered if the DEMS take Congress. Also, if the DEMS do not take Congress TRUMP will not be elected in 2020. Hopefully, Ted CRUZ primaries him and runs a smarter campaign this time. Bring more EXCUSES on!!!!! :cursing:
Have you missed the last three elections? It began with TEA in 2009. GOPe is destroyed at the ballot box.
Now explain to us how Trump will be impeached and removed from office? If the democrats take the house I can see articles of impeachment. However, I see no way 2/3 of the senate will vote to remove him from office. Once again, please share with us your wisdom as to how what you predict will come to fruition.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 05:00:37 PM
Impeach him for what?
IMO......If the dems control the house and senate they will try to impeach Trump for anything.
Quote from: cubs2016 on March 23, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
Solar, there is more to it than that. There just has to be. Something has happened to force him to cave to Schumer and Pelosi. He could have shut the fing government down and no one would have suffered for it; actually could have blamed the dems for it, but he simply didn't. I have an awful fear of what is going on behind the scenes - things from which we cannot recover our Constitutional Republic.
Don'tknowthough. After decades of being disappointed by our Pubic Servants, this sure seems like a case of BOHICA! ( bend over here it comes again )
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 06:04:02 AM
Have you missed the last three elections? It began with TEA in 2009. GOPe is destroyed at the ballot box.
Now explain to us how Trump will be impeached and removed from office? If the democrats take the house I can see articles of impeachment. However, I see no way 2/3 of the senate will vote to remove him from office. Once again, please share with us your wisdom as to how what you predict will come to fruition.
It wouldn't be this bad if you were debating someone that didn't run on emotion. But forget taking the intellectual approach, you're never going to get through.
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Quote from: cubs2016 on March 23, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
Solar, there is more to it than that. There just has to be. Something has happened to force him to cave to Schumer and Pelosi. He could have shut the fing government down and no one would have suffered for it; actually could have blamed the dems for it, but he simply didn't. I have an awful fear of what is going on behind the scenes - things from which we cannot recover our Constitutional Republic.
One other point and you're right, something did happen, the Marxist gop'E colluded with the Dims to steal our tax dollars, that's what really happened, they gave themselves a raise without our permission for starters as well as funded every leftist social program under the sun.
That's what really happened, but lets put all that aside for a moment because in truth, our debt is already unmanageable and another trillion added to an already 200 trillion in unfunded debt is really nothing in the end.
I guess our only option at this point, is to recognize just how pissed off Trump must be for allowing himself to be routed like this.
He has the weight of the world on his shoulders, he appoints people he trusts to cover his back while he deals with our enemies around the globe, people conspiring to weaken us at any turn, while others are opportunists that will strike at a moments notice, illegals invading the country, OPEC vying for an angle, keeping an eye on Europe and NK.
My point is, Trump was supposed to have people dealing with domestic issues, making sure deals were being made behind the scenes, promises kept.
When someone doesn't do their job, this is the result, so expect to see more heads roll for either letting the Establishment scum get away with this, or he had a traitor in his midst that sold him out.
Nothing happens in DC in total silence, everyone has a price.
Anyway, for the RINO to get away with this means Trump was not aware it was coming, which means his staff didn't warn him, so someone has to go.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 06:04:02 AM
Have you missed the last three elections? It began with TEA in 2009. GOPe is destroyed at the ballot box.
Now explain to us how Trump will be impeached and removed from office? If the democrats take the house I can see articles of impeachment. However, I see no way 2/3 of the senate will vote to remove him from office. Once again, please share with us your wisdom as to how what you predict will come to fruition.
2/3 of the existing SENATE would vote impeachment articles against TRUMP in the first ballot. Mr BRIGHTONE Name any R Senators except CRUZ that are not RINOS or pro Trumpters???
Quote from: nzone on March 24, 2018, 06:51:39 AM
2/3 of the existing SENATE would vote impeachment articles against TRUMP in the first ballot. Mr BRIGHTONE Name any R Senators except CRUZ that are not RINOS or pro Trumpters???
I don't care how much some senators dislike Trump, they like being a senator more. Try thinking about the next step. These folks will have to run for reelection and if they are from a Trump state they will not vote to remove. Since you are so sure of your prediction could you share exactly which GOP senators would vote to remove.
McConnell didn't allow any debate and created this backroom deal. Trump's kidding himself if he thinks McConnell will change the Rules of the Senate.
As far as the answer to the question..What Happened? Fox has reported that after Trump tweeted that he was considering vetoing this Liberal Democrat Dream Package, he had lunch with General Maddis. It seems that Maddis was very persuasive!
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 08:18:03 AM
I don't care how much some senators dislike Trump, they like being a senator more. Try thinking about the next step. These folks will have to run for reelection and if they are from a Trump state they will not vote to remove. Since you are so sure of your prediction could you share exactly which GOP senators would vote to remove.
At least 2/3 of the members both branches of the UNIPARTY D & R Wings. look it up for the names??
Quote from: nzone on March 24, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
At least 2/3 of the members both branches of the UNIPARTY D & R Wings. look it up for the names??
That is your job you made the statement, back it up and show the 2/3 members of both branches.
Quote from: walkstall on March 24, 2018, 10:06:44 AM
That is your job you made the statement, back it up and show the 2/3 members of both branches.
Thanks Walks. It is clear he just throws stuff against the wall and not used to having to back up his BS.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 12:34:55 PM
Thanks Walks. It is clear he just throws stuff against the wall and not used to having to back up his BS.
I will give him 2 days to back it up. If not I will give him a timeout. Flinging poo on this board and hoping it will stick does not work on this board.
...its a bill, not a budget, and only through September
He can spend what he wants when and if he wants.
Maybe he will end up with a surplus before midterms :biggrin:
Quote from: Bronx on March 24, 2018, 06:07:01 AM
IMO......If the dems control the house and senate they will try to impeach Trump for anything.
Well so far they have tried this phony Russia nonsense and despite intensive effort can't even seem to find an offense, even a made up one. Oh and there was that business over two scoops of ice cream and WH dinner guests only get one. And despite the ill manners, calling shithole coutries a shithole isn't an impeachable offense.
I truy beleive there are enough RINO around to collude with the dems if they could find anything NOW they'd try to impeach him.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 24, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
Well so far they have tried this phony Russia nonsense and despite intensive effort can't even seem to find an offense, even a made up one. Oh and there was that business over two scoops of ice cream and WH dinner guests only get one. And despite the ill manners, calling shithole coutries a shithole isn't an impeachable offense.
I truy beleive there are enough RINO around to collude with the dems if they could find anything NOW they'd try to impeach him.
Yeah, this Impeachment talk is pure bullshit, he's done absolutely nothing to even warrant an investigation, let alone a single charge for anything.
This is crap to stir Right into voting for Establishment Marxists for fear of losing the majority..
Impeachment will never happen unless they actually have something on Trump. I think there are enough democrats that understand impeachment would open Pandora's box. The new norm will be if you lose the election launch multiple investigations and impeach. Washington will come to a complete standstill....Actually that might not be such a bad thing.
Sun Tzu's adage, "Know yourself so you can know your enemy" is ageless wisdom that Trump should have grasped long ago. Yet, in fairness, this present Spending Fiasco is hardly all on him, as several posters have correctly claimed.
So let's start w/a story about that chinless schmuck, McConnell.
His wife is Elaine Chao, the eldest Taiwanese born daughter of James and Ruth Chao whose family roots stretch back to the farms of Shanghai during the 1920ies and which was the birthplace of the Chinese Communist Party.
In the early 1960ies, James Chao immigrated to Formosa (Taiwan) and created a Shipping Co. named the Foremost Group, financially supported by friends and family on the Chinese Mainland.
While Foremost conducts business along the Pacific Rim extending to the USA; its tax domicile is the Marshall Islands for obvious reasons and its Ships are flagged from Hong Kong and Liberia to avoid US taxes as well as higher manpower requirements and operating costs. As one analyst put it."these flags of convenience are simply the calling card of the globalists."
More insidious, as several members of Trump's trade team have shown, is the reality that China ships large quantities of product, including Aluminum and Steel, using carriers such as Foremost who sanitize these commodities for any trace of country of origin; so that China can avoid any quota restrictions in the USA.
By the way, since he's such a wonderful son-in-law, Jimbo Chao sent the chinless schmuck a 'birthday present' of $ 25,000,000 a few years ago, which is in the public record.
While making absolutely no excuses for Trump; this is the level of deceit he is up against.
Quote from: walkstall on March 24, 2018, 12:53:43 PM
I will give him 2 days to back it up. If not I will give him a timeout. Flinging poo on this board and hoping it will stick does not work on this board.
You, Solar, Sales going to beat me up because you are too lazy to look up the R Senators. Like Biden goin to beat TRUMP up and TRump would kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back. Let me put this in a NY perspective, FUCK YOU and the Train you came it on giving me or anyone else a time line because of you want fact checking statements because you been challenged you continue to make statements about people only if challenges anything you say. Again FUCK YOU and hopefully you understand what that means. :cursing:
Quote from: Walter Josh on March 24, 2018, 09:25:26 PM
Sun Tzu's adage, "Know yourself so you can know your enemy" is ageless wisdom that Trump should have grasped long ago. Yet, in fairness, this present Spending Fiasco is hardly all on him, as several posters have correctly claimed.
So let's start w/a story about that chinless schmuck, McConnell.
His wife is Elaine Chao, the eldest Taiwanese born daughter of James and Ruth Chao whose family roots stretch back to the farms of Shanghai during the 1920ies and which was the birthplace of the Chinese Communist Party.
In the early 1960ies, James Chao immigrated to Formosa (Taiwan) and created a Shipping Co. named the Foremost Group, financially supported by friends and family on the Chinese Mainland.
While Foremost conducts business along the Pacific Rim extending to the USA; its tax domicile is the Marshall Islands for obvious reasons and its Ships are flagged from Hong Kong and Liberia to avoid US taxes as well as higher manpower requirements and operating costs. As one analyst put it."these flags of convenience are simply the calling card of the globalists."
More insidious, as several members of Trump's trade team have shown, is the reality that China ships large quantities of product, including Aluminum and Steel, using carriers such as Foremost who sanitize these commodities for any trace of country of origin; so that China can avoid any quota restrictions in the USA.
By the way, since he's such a wonderful son-in-law, Jimbo Chao sent the chinless schmuck a 'birthday present' of $ 25,000,000 a few years ago, which is in the public record.
While making absolutely no excuses for Trump; this is the level of deceit he is up against.
Excellent point Walter, and that's only one within this band of thieves working with self interest in mind, or that of their financiers that keep them in office.
Quote from: nzone on March 25, 2018, 06:05:03 AM
You, Solar, Sales going to beat me up because you are too lazy to look up the R Senators. Like Biden goin to beat TRUMP up and TRump would kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back. Let me put this in a NY perspective, FUCK YOU and the Train you came it on giving me or anyone else a time line because of you want fact checking statements because you been challenged you continue to make statements about people only if challenges anything you say. Again FUCK YOU and hopefully you understand what that means. :cursing:
You obviously do not understand how this forum works. It is up to the poster to back up statements one makes, not the reader. Now, if you don't like that go find another forum.
Quote from: nzone on March 25, 2018, 06:05:03 AM
You, Solar, Sales going to beat me up because you are too lazy to look up the R Senators. Like Biden goin to beat TRUMP up and TRump would kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back. Let me put this in a NY perspective, FUCK YOU and the Train you came it on giving me or anyone else a time line because of you want fact checking statements because you been challenged you continue to make statements about people only if challenges anything you say. Again FUCK YOU and hopefully you understand what that means. :cursing:
Child let me put it this way. Your time is running out. Back up your statement you made.
Quote from: nzone on March 25, 2018, 06:05:03 AM
You, Solar, Sales going to beat me up because you are too lazy to look up the R Senators. Like Biden goin to beat TRUMP up and TRump would kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back. Let me put this in a NY perspective, FUCK YOU and the Train you came it on giving me or anyone else a time line because of you want fact checking statements because you been challenged you continue to make statements about people only if challenges anything you say. Again FUCK YOU and hopefully you understand what that means. :cursing:
First off, WTF does this mean "You, Solar, Sales"?[/b]
When did I enter your one man pissing match? I ignore your bull shit, you are nowhere near my level of debate and you know it which is why you keep moving the goal post.
So it's best you leave me out of your delusion.
Reading back through the BS, you made a claim, you were called on it to back up what you said, which should be really easy, considering the vote was public record.
So now the question is, why didn't you simply prove your point and post the data?
You may not be aware, but this is policy at this forum, it keeps trolls off the site because just posting bull shit and opinion pieces don't pass for debate, which brings us to your insignificant situation.
If it's as easy as you claim it is, then prove your point by backing it up or suffer the consequences like all the other members. (no, you are not being singled out, it happens all the time)
Take for example, if I were to claim Libs are dumber than Cons and someone called me on it, I'd have to back that up with actual data, and yes, it would be extremely simple, just like your claim is simple.
The point is, you are the one that made the claim, as in any debate, the individual is responsible for their own statements, not your audience, so either back it up or take a 48 hr timeout, and when you come back, either post your evidence or concede you were just blowing off smoke and misspoke, it really is that simple, no one will think a thing of it further.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 24, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
Well so far they have tried this phony Russia nonsense and despite intensive effort can't even seem to find an offense, even a made up one. Oh and there was that business over two scoops of ice cream and WH dinner guests only get one. And despite the ill manners, calling shithole coutries a shithole isn't an impeachable offense.
I truy beleive there are enough RINO around to collude with the dems if they could find anything NOW they'd try to impeach him.
There is no question that President Trump didn't anything to even warrant an impeachment and I apologize for taking away from this crap sandwich which a republican house and republican senate passed. Now we have a republican president signing it. Not one damn person read this 2000 plus page Bill....not one.
This may not constitute impeach but it does deserve a physical beatdown. I don't care what type of chest President Trump or this friggin' republican congress is playing this spending Bill is not good for the American people. Nobody in their right mind can look me straight in the eye and tell me how great, good, nice whatever word to be used is that this Bill is a good thing. Especially with the fool that signed it and stated: "I'll never sign a Bill like this again"...LMAO
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-warns-he-will-never-sign-another-bill-like-this-again-calls-for-senate-rules-change-line-item-veto-on-spending/2018/03/23/f335d604-2ec0-11e8-8dc9-3b51e028b845_story.html?utm_term=.bde2aa7b9d19
Here is another chest playing moment. Remember this "Believe me, if we have to close down our government, we're building that wall,". Man did he checkmate them democrats and big government republicans.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/23/trump-says-hell-close-down-federal-government-to-get-border-wall-money-from-congress.html
Please don't take offense to my rant. I see you as a stand-up guy but I'm noticing this president is flapping his Democrat wings and I don't like the draft coming from it. It makes me a little uncomfortable.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 24, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
Well so far they have tried this phony Russia nonsense and despite intensive effort can't even seem to find an offense, even a made up one. Oh and there was that business over two scoops of ice cream and WH dinner guests only get one. And despite the ill manners, calling shithole coutries a shithole isn't an impeachable offense.
I truy beleive there are enough RINO around to collude with the dems if they could find anything NOW they'd try to impeach him.
I agree. There are enough established elites of both parties who cannot wish for 'clean-up' to probably effect an impeachment (a process) and a conviction.
We all must realize that there are not just 'democrats' and 'republicans' in the federal government- there is but one really powerful 'party', that of the
ruling *noble* elite and the other feckless minors.
Quote from: nzone on March 25, 2018, 06:05:03 AM
You, Solar, Sales going to beat me up because you are too lazy to look up the R Senators. Like Biden goin to beat TRUMP up and TRump would kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back. Let me put this in a NY perspective, FUCK YOU and the Train you came it on giving me or anyone else a time line because of you want fact checking statements because you been challenged you continue to make statements about people only if challenges anything you say. Again FUCK YOU and hopefully you understand what that means. :cursing:
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Hmm................reflective, informative and well articulated posts get
my attention and yet for some bizarre reason I decided to read yours.
I'm curious. Given your level of language (it's hardly English) are you
one of those teenage illegals who dropped out after kindergarten ????
Quote from: nzone on March 25, 2018, 06:05:03 AM
You, Solar, Sales going to beat me up because you are too lazy to look up the R Senators. Like Biden goin to beat TRUMP up and TRump would kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back. Let me put this in a NY perspective, FUCK YOU and the Train you came it on giving me or anyone else a time line because of you want fact checking statements because you been challenged you continue to make statements about people only if challenges anything you say. Again FUCK YOU and hopefully you understand what that means. :cursing:
If I claimed you molested children, who bares the burden of proof to prove these accusations, you or me?
Quote from: nzone on March 24, 2018, 06:51:39 AM
2/3 of the existing SENATE would vote impeachment articles against TRUMP in the first ballot. Mr BRIGHTONE Name any R Senators except CRUZ that are not RINOS or pro Trumpters???
What about the freedom caucus?
Also about 40% of both parties in both houses voted against the spending bill. The the establishment makes up the 60% who voted for it. 2/3rds is about 66%. So using the spending bill as a guideline it would seem the establishment is somehwat short of impeachment criteria. They are hopeing to change that this fall.
Quote from: Sauce on March 24, 2018, 01:37:26 PM
...its a bill, not a budget, and only through September
Ok ive heard 2 sides to this. On the one hand this spending bill is only 6 months and needs to be redone then. On the other hand the senate also voted not to have a budget next year, implying that the spending bill lasts much longer. Which one is it? If only short and temp then maybe not so bad...
Quote from: T Hunt on March 25, 2018, 11:46:50 AM
Ok ive heard 2 sides to this. On the one hand this spending bill is only 6 months and needs to be redone then. On the other hand the senate also voted not to have a budget next year, implying that the spending bill lasts much longer. Which one is it? If only short and temp then maybe not so bad...
A spending bill means we the tax payer get screwed every six months, whereas a budget https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/5/senate-clears-way-final-passage-congress-budget/
obviously means nothing. Of course, mcconnell was in on it.
Quote from: T Hunt on March 25, 2018, 11:46:50 AM
Ok ive heard 2 sides to this. On the one hand this spending bill is only 6 months and needs to be redone then. On the other hand the senate also voted not to have a budget next year, implying that the spending bill lasts much longer. Which one is it? If only short and temp then maybe not so bad...
The Fiscal year ends in September, at which point Congress better get their shit together. I do believe Trump is done when he said he won't sign another.
I do believe he saw our military far more important than the overall bill, where he also got funding for the Wall, so in truth, Trump played McCon more than they played Trump.
Quote from: s3779m on March 25, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
A spending bill means we the tax payer get screwed every six months, whereas a budget https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/5/senate-clears-way-final-passage-congress-budget/
obviously means nothing. Of course, mcconnell was in on it.
So voting not to make a budget next year really is meaningless then. I guess it will save them some time if budgets are just for show anyways...
Well i am going to have to downgrade from defcon 1 then, because as bad as this bill was i was under the impression from Rush that it was set in stone for the next 2 years. Instead it sounds like we can undo all this damage after we sweep the midterms...
Quote from: Solar on March 25, 2018, 11:53:03 AM
The Fiscal year ends in September, at which point Congress better get their shit together. I do believe Trump is done when he said he won't sign another.
I do believe he saw our military far more important than the overall bill, where he also got funding for the Wall, so in truth, Trump played McCon more than they played Trump.
It may be wishful thinking, but I don't think President Trump got played at all. I just think or hope that with Bolton on hand that the head hunting is fixing to gather speed. Are the rinos on board?, could be one reason this disaster of a bill seemed too intent to get dims on board, with all that spending $ written in the bill, dems must still be light headed. Even pelosi was bragging on their victory. could shit be ready to hit the fan?? and Trump just wanted this out of the way. It would be really hard to pass a bill if members of congress are arrested.
I'm still reading up, but it looks like Trump may have fleeced the UniParty in regards to where the money is spent...
Quote from: s3779m on March 25, 2018, 12:06:14 PM
It may be wishful thinking, but I don't think President Trump got played at all. I just think or hope that with Bolton on hand that the head hunting is fixing to gather speed. Are the rinos on board?, could be one reason this disaster of a bill seemed too intent to get dims on board, with all that spending $ written in the bill, dems must still be light headed. Even pelosi was bragging on their victory. could shit be ready to hit the fan?? and Trump just wanted this out of the way. It would be really hard to pass a bill if members of congress are arrested.
Same here, I'm not convinced this was such a bad thing if Trump gets what he needs to restore the Republic, it will have been money well spent for the first time in our history.
Quote from: taxed on March 25, 2018, 12:11:41 PM
I'm still reading up, but it looks like Trump may have fleeced the UniParty in regards to where the money is spent...
That's my understanding, Trump is now in control of most of the money.
Quote from: Solar on March 25, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
Same here, I'm not convinced this was such a bad thing if Trump gets what he needs to restore the Republic, it will have been money well spent for the first time in our history.
There were several "slips" in the press lately, most of them if not all were discussed in several of the posts here, only reason I can see for this rush job of a bill. The bill was greased enough so dims could not turn it down. Does point to a sooner rather than later day of reckoning. And on top of that, we have rain in the forecast. :thumbup: :thumbup:
Quote from: T Hunt on March 25, 2018, 11:06:43 AM
What about the freedom caucus?
Also about 40% of both parties in both houses voted against the spending bill. The the establishment makes up the 60% who voted for it. 2/3rds is about 66%. So using the spending bill as a guideline it would seem the establishment is somehwat short of impeachment criteria. They are hopeing to change that this fall.
The 2/3 vote is what would be needed in the senate to remove from office if the house impeaches. It only takes a simple majority in the house to impeach.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 25, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
The 2/3 vote is what would be needed in the senate to remove from office if the house impeaches. It only takes a simple majority in the house to impeach.
No, that's partially right. If a simple majority agrees to impeach for even one article, the Senate takes over.
Then it requires a majority to move forward and a majority to Impeach.
Here's the problem, Trump has not even skirted the law in the least, this is why the left talks of Impeachment, they know if they don't get rid of him, they are more than likely going to face jail time.
There is no way the GOP would move on such a foolish ordeal, they know the backlash would kill all chances of them ever getting reelected, in fact, I'd be willing to bet this would spark a civil war.
Quote from: Bronx on March 25, 2018, 07:02:09 AM
This may not constitute impeach but it does deserve a physical beatdown.
Please don't take offense to my rant. I see you as a stand-up guy but I'm noticing this president is flapping his Democrat wings and I don't like the draft coming from it. It makes me a little uncomfortable.
No offense is taken and I don't see your response as a Rant. As I have already stated, I DON'T LIKE THIS PILE OF CRAP EITHER. And I am deeply disappointed in Trump for signing it....and YES he does deserve excoriation....to some extent. The real villains here are the Dem's of course and the RINO scum who are in cahoots. Both want Trump out of office by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Both want chaos and dispair among "Us".
I said in the begining, this is a TRAP. WHATEVER Trump does he is going to suffer ass kicking for it. If he shut down the Govt the aformentioned Cabal would be screaming "Impeachment" people are going to die because of Trump shutting down the Govt..... AHHHHHHHHGGGG.
If he DID sign it, then of course the hounds of hell are going to dance with glee because his base is now pissed. This is the situation we find ourselves in, of course the fiends and their MSM propaganda factory are going to make it like the end of the world, of course they are going to place ALL the blame Trumpwards. They want you angry, they want you to throw up your hands in despair and they want you not to vote for a Republican, unless a RINO puppet, ever again and the major point is they want "Us" muttering "impeachment."
As I also said in an earlier post, looking for the kernal of corn among the turds. This is a step towards a MUch NEEDED stronger Military, that means more defense spending, more jobs that PAY BETTER and more money circulating, Stronger economy. Along with defense spending there has to be some "discretionary" spending or "Slush funds" in this crapburger...there always is, could this be a backdoor to appropriating a few billion for a Wall(?) Border security being part of National Defense?
Best of all, NO DACA....that is the Holy Grail of the Democratic party and they just threw the DACA under the bus. Don't tell me that wont hurt 'em.
So speaking as a Guy who didn't vote for Trump, I may be disappointed in him BUT I'm positively livid with that turtle faced creep McConnel and that ALred E Nueman look alike Ryan and the rest of those colostomy bags with an R after their name, those are the people if we had any sense would be "impeached"
Quote from: s3779m on March 25, 2018, 12:27:25 PM
There were several "slips" in the press lately, most of them if not all were discussed in several of the posts here, only reason I can see for this rush job of a bill. The bill was greased enough so dims could not turn it down. Does point to a sooner rather than later day of reckoning. And on top of that, we have rain in the forecast. :thumbup: :thumbup:
When they passed the spending authorization last month Trumps budget director made a interesting statement when asked about all the pork. He pointed out that just because it is allocated doesn't mean it has to be spent. Look it up.
I only heard it once when he was under fire at a press conference. Could the Trump admin. slow walk or stop some on the budget busting things the Dim's are counting on? Wouldn't it be great to see Trumps agencies return 300 billion at the end of the year?
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 25, 2018, 02:38:28 PM
As I also said in an earlier post, looking for the kernal of corn among the turds. This is a step towards a MUch NEEDED stronger Military, that means more defense spending, more jobs that PAY BETTER and more money circulating, Stronger economy. Along with defense spending there has to be some "discretionary" spending or "Slush funds" in this crapburger...there always is, could this be a backdoor to appropriating a few billion for a Wall(?) Border security being part of National Defense?
Best of all, NO DACA....that is the Holy Grail of the Democratic party and they just threw the DACA under the bus. Don't tell me that wont hurt 'em.
So speaking as a Guy who didn't vote for Trump, I may be disappointed in him BUT I'm positively livid with that turtle faced creep McConnel and that ALred E Nueman look alike Ryan and the rest of those colostomy bags with an R after their name, those are the people if we had any sense would be "impeached"
Trust me I do understand where you are coming from. The problem I'm having is taking this personally. Should I.....?
We handed these SOBs everything they asked for. The senate, house, and presidency and look at the layers of shit we have to go throw to find the 'kernel of corn".
Hell, they have been screaming for 6 or 7 years about repealing Obamacare now they have everything they begged for and everyone has gone silent. Not a friggin' peep out of these lyin' fools.
Don't get me wrong President Trump has done something that had me go wow didn't see that coming. The SCOTUS pick, the judges he is appointing, the tax cuts, the Stock Market raise, job creation, etc but the one thing that makes a conservative nutso is spending when we have a deficit of 20 trillion dollars. Why add to the madness.
Anyways have a great day
Ciao bronx
Quote from: redbeard on March 25, 2018, 04:33:09 PM
When they passed the spending authorization last month Trumps budget director made a interesting statement when asked about all the pork. He pointed out that just because it is allocated doesn't mean it has to be spent. Look it up.
I only heard it once when he was under fire at a press conference. Could the Trump admin. slow walk or stop some on the budget busting things the Dim's are counting on? Wouldn't it be great to see Trumps agencies return 300 billion at the end of the year?
Well, there is this. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/president_trump_hints_he_may_use_defense_budget_to_build_the_border_wall_now.html
I guess we will see. I would guess planned parenthood would be among the first to not receive funds, and I am sure there is a way for congress to try to work around this, BUT, it would probably take a vote directly on the one issue, which I doubt even rinos would want.
Quote from: s3779m on March 25, 2018, 08:29:10 PM
Well, there is this. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/president_trump_hints_he_may_use_defense_budget_to_build_the_border_wall_now.html
I guess we will see. I would guess planned parenthood would be among the first to not receive funds, and I am sure there is a way for congress to try to work around this, BUT, it would probably take a vote directly on the one issue, which I doubt even rinos would want.
Right now many conservatives feel like they have been raped. However if trump can turn this around and actually starts the wall in the next 6 months, as well as deny many of the libs their allocated funds, then i think his base will come back to him with a vengance and support him stronger than ever before
Quote from: T Hunt on March 26, 2018, 04:12:25 AM
Right now many conservatives feel like they have been raped. However if trump can turn this around and actually starts the wall in the next 6 months, as well as deny many of the libs their allocated funds, then i think his base will come back to him with a vengance and support him stronger than ever before
No surprise over here that this guy caved and signed the bill. I highly doubt he sees a second term.
Quote from: Solar on March 25, 2018, 02:23:39 PM
No, that's partially right. If a simple majority agrees to impeach for even one article, the Senate takes over.
Then it requires a majority to move forward and a majority to Impeach.
Here's the problem, Trump has not even skirted the law in the least, this is why the left talks of Impeachment, they know if they don't get rid of him, they are more than likely going to face jail time.
There is no way the GOP would move on such a foolish ordeal, they know the backlash would kill all chances of them ever getting reelected, in fact, I'd be willing to bet this would spark a civil war.
But it does take 2/3 majority in the senate to remove from office.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 26, 2018, 05:05:03 AM
But it does take 2/3 majority in the senate to remove from office.
Yup, 2/3.
Ain't gonna happen... but, wait.. if an issue disreputable enough, destructive enough, illogical enough, and downright anti-American enough arises, that may just cause those noble elitists to congeal and effect mayhem. So---
Quote from: Double D on March 26, 2018, 04:29:35 AM
No surprise over here that this guy caved and signed the bill. I highly doubt he sees a second term.
I was commenting on this part. And you were right, I think the issue spawned from the order in which you wrote it, the simple majority come first.
No big, I was just shooting for pure accuracy, where first you need a simple majority, but you are still correct.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 25, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
The 2/3 vote is what would be needed in the senate to remove from office if the house impeaches. It only takes a simple majority in the house to impeach.
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With that said.
Can we drop this bull shit talk of Impeachment? (Take note of the posters pushing this utter nonsense and consider the credibility factor)
It is never going to happen, and the more we talk about it, the more we feed the left and their delusions. This is exactly what they want, you all accepting the possibility, so when they spring it on you, you accept it as an inevitability.
So let's drop it and get back to the topic. Period!!!
Quote from: Solar on March 26, 2018, 07:16:16 AM
With that said.
Can we drop this bull shit talk of Impeachment? (Take note of the posters pushing this utter nonsense and consider the credibility factor)
It is never going to happen, and the more we talk about it, the more we feed the left and their delusions. This is exactly what they want, you all accepting the possibility, so when they spring it on you, you accept it as an inevitability.
So let's drop it and get back to the topic. Period!!!
Great idea. Impeachment has become a distraction.
Quote from: supsalemgr on March 26, 2018, 08:06:29 AM
Great idea. Impeachment has become a distraction.
Yeah, look at the people that broached the topic here, that speaks volumes in and of itself.
Any poster that broaches the topic will have their post moved to conspiracy, not even the MSM Distraction forum.
Nothing worse than having this forum turn into the leftist 80s show, Murphy Brown. :biggrin: