Quote from: T Hunt on July 02, 2021, 10:07:49 AMLooks like pitchblack couldnt handle the facts and truth and so has gracefully bowed out of this conversation.
And without ever having actually looked at and judged the proof of election cheating...
Or giving a single example of a dem condemning the lefts marxism in BLM, et al...

I think he finally discovered the DNC actually did go Marxists and he needs to digest his new reality.

Quote from: Solar on June 30, 2021, 02:15:39 PMThen you're blind to the Marxist movement, that's all it is, a way to present a narrative that whites are evil beyond reason.

I didn't see the world evil in the document you linked below.

QuoteIf you'd actually research instead of simply pull the leftist line, maybe people might take you seriously.
Here, read and learn.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309394751_Critical_Race_Theory

I read the first 4 pages and didn't see anything terrible.  I also didn't find any of the three tenets of CRT to be terribly concerning.  I don't find CRT to be useful, and probably does the opposite of what we should want as a country, but I'd be curious to see some of the actual examples of areas where "radical institutional changes" would need to happen.

QuoteSo you went back and grabbed bits and pieces out of context to respond to?

I provided one example of something I would think might be in the CRT purview based on my limited knowledge of CRT.

QuoteTo form an intelligent opinion, one needs all the information at hand, yet you either ignore the evidence a,d gullibly suck up the lefts opinion, or simply to refuse hearing all the evidence.
TV is notorious for holding back everything and conveniently presenting half truths.
You know what normal people call half-truths? A lie!

I was completely upfront about my lack of indepth  knowledge regarding CRT, so I'm not entire sure what you're getting at here.

QuoteHello! It is leftist indoctrination, just like everything that the left promotes, and CRT is just that, Marxist propaganda. See link above!

Ok.  Do we not teach Marism, Communism, etc in college?  Again, I'm not saying I support what CRT is teaching, I'm simply making the case (despite your continued attempts to drag the discussion into the mud), that I think CRT is something that could be taught in the appropriate university environment or class.

QuoteFrom every post you produce, leftist! You do know, anyone is able to click your profile and reread every post you ever made, Right?  Son, I've been doing this for decades, you're not fooling anyone, especially not me.

In case any part of my comments have been unclear.... I don't support antifa or what they stand for.  I support the police reform that BLM initially was focused on, but don't support the violence, looting etc that sometimes comes along with BLM events.  You're welcome to show find all the posts where I commented on BLM and post them... just in case I'm trying to fool anyone.

QuoteThat Right there is proof you're a gullible kid. We're all being manipulated, that's why no one here watches TV any longer, FUX Snooze or otherwise, they're selling a product, the product of socialism.
That's the difference in you and I, we recognized it decades ago, you're still drinking the Jim Jones Dim Kool-Aid. Look his name up, that's why we tagged libs with drinking Koolaide.

The funny part is that I could link to a far left website where posters partake of the same broad-brush demonization of Conservatives/the Right.  They're just as wrong as everyone here, but this is what happens when you only choose to get one side of the story and allow yourselves to be lead down a path to demonization.

QuoteYet not a one stated BLM or antifa, why is that?      
I even gave you the address to antifa.com, and still you refuse to acknowledge the truth that they are a DNC fundraising outreach for the party. Did you think I made that shit up? This is the truth you refuse to see because you don't like the truth, that is what differentiates you libs from us Cons, we only want the truth, it's how we fight evil!!!

Again, I wouldn't expect Dems to condemn the entire BLM or Antifa organizations and more than I would expect Republicans to condemn the ENTIRE Republican party based on the actions of a few thousand people on Jan. 6th.  Intelligent people condemn actions, not people. I don't condemn all muslims, I condemn violent muslim extremists.

QuoteNow, look at the names you mentioned, all are rooted in the left, all racial hate groups originate in the DNC, even groups that label themselves whit supremacists, align with Nazi, a socialist hate movement. KKK, DNC originated out of the KKK, and BS, there are no pub affiliated hate groups, that's shit you pulled out of your ass.

Again, I do not care about the political angle of this.  I said, and will continue to say, that I don't see a reason that CRT shouldn't be discussed/taught in college just as other theories, governments, etc are.  Sorry, I'm not going to be dragged into the mud on this.

QuoteBull shit! I don't care if you claim you're a Christian, you're still a leftist! Your posts expose it.
Hell, you don't have the first clue what a libertarian is, but that's for another teaching segment.
       

It's not very Christian to accuse some one of lying with no evidence. 

Again, I'm not supporting CRT, I'm supporting it, as a theory, being taught under the right situation in college.  I see no reason to continue responding to "the mud" you want to drag this conversation into.  I don't buy into your broad-brush demonization.  I don't buy into you assertations that the entire Dem party is Marxist and Socialist.  I also don't buy into the same attitude I see from Democrats/the Left about Republicans/conservatives.  I think it's an absolutely uninformed, dangerous way to look at things and it's precisely why the country is becoming so divided.  You have news outlets demonizing entire groups of people because there's one loon here and there.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 02, 2021, 12:22:11 PMI didn't see the world evil in the document you linked below.
I read the first 4 pages and didn't see anything terrible.  I also didn't find any of the three tenets of CRT to be terribly concerning.  I don't find CRT to be useful, and probably does the opposite of what we should want as a country, but I'd be curious to see some of the actual examples of areas where "radical institutional changes" would need to happen.

I provided one example of something I would think might be in the CRT purview based on my limited knowledge of CRT.
I was completely upfront about my lack of indepth  knowledge regarding CRT, so I'm not entire sure what you're getting at here.

Ok.  Do we not teach Marism, Communism, etc in college?  Again, I'm not saying I support what CRT is teaching, I'm simply making the case (despite your continued attempts to drag the discussion into the mud), that I think CRT is something that could be taught in the appropriate university environment or class.

In case any part of my comments have been unclear.... I don't support antifa or what they stand for.  I support the police reform that BLM initially was focused on, but don't support the violence, looting etc that sometimes comes along with BLM events.  You're welcome to show find all the posts where I commented on BLM and post them... just in case I'm trying to fool anyone.

The funny part is that I could link to a far left website where posters partake of the same broad-brush demonization of Conservatives/the Right.  They're just as wrong as everyone here, but this is what happens when you only choose to get one side of the story and allow yourselves to be lead down a path to demonization.
Again, I wouldn't expect Dems to condemn the entire BLM or Antifa organizations and more than I would expect Republicans to condemn the ENTIRE Republican party based on the actions of a few thousand people on Jan. 6th.  Intelligent people condemn actions, not people. I don't condemn all muslims, I condemn violent muslim extremists.

Again, I do not care about the political angle of this.  I said, and will continue to say, that I don't see a reason that CRT shouldn't be discussed/taught in college just as other theories, governments, etc are.  Sorry, I'm not going to be dragged into the mud on this.

It's not very Christian to accuse some one of lying with no evidence. 

Again, I'm not supporting CRT, I'm supporting it, as a theory, being taught under the right situation in college.  I see no reason to continue responding to "the mud" you want to drag this conversation into.  I don't buy into your broad-brush demonization.  I don't buy into you assertations that the entire Dem party is Marxist and Socialist.  I also don't buy into the same attitude I see from Democrats/the Left about Republicans/conservatives.  I think it's an absolutely uninformed, dangerous way to look at things and it's precisely why the country is becoming so divided.  You have news outlets demonizing entire groups of people because there's one loon here and there.

You mean like Joe "you ain't Black if you don't vote for me" Biden....?

You're really not good at this are you.

Quote from: Bronx on July 02, 2021, 01:06:50 PMYou mean like Joe "you ain't Black if you don't vote for me" Biden....?

You're really not good at this are you.

That was a stupid comment.  He's human, and probably a little senile, so he's going to say dumb things.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 02, 2021, 01:14:24 PMThat was a stupid comment.  He's human, and probably a little senile, so he's going to say dumb things.

And, this is the guy you want as leader of the free world?

 

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 02, 2021, 01:42:44 PMAnd, this is the guy you want as leader of the free world?

 

As I said earlier in this very thread...I haven't voted for a Democrat for President since Clinton's first term.  I also have never voted for Biden, Hillary or Trump.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 02, 2021, 01:14:24 PMThat was a stupid comment.  He's human, and probably a little senile, so he's going to say dumb things.

Really? Our President is according to you, "senile"? The President has control of the Nuclear football. He's "senile"? If he is saying "dumb things" to enemies of the United States, isn't that a problem? What if the "senile" human says something "dumb" that starts a war? What then?

That "senile" human has stated previously that 100,000 to 200,000 dead from Covid is "good". Would he also think that 100,000 to 200,000 dead in a war he started would also be "good"? Maybe you would like to be among that 100,000 to 200,000 people who died? Is that also acceptable?

If more than 200,000 die, is that also "good" according to a "senile" Democrat President?

Quote from: RV on July 02, 2021, 02:13:35 PMReally? Our President is according to you, "senile"? The President has control of the Nuclear football. He's "senile"? If he is saying "dumb things" to enemies of the United States, isn't that a problem? What if the "senile" human says something "dumb" that starts a war? What then?

That "senile" human has stated previously that 100,000 to 200,000 dead from Covid is "good". Would he also think that 100,000 to 200,000 dead in a war he started would also be "good"? Maybe you would like to be among that 100,000 to 200,000 people who died? Is that also acceptable?

If more than 200,000 die, is that also "good" according to a "senile" Democrat President?

Maybe senile isn't the correct word. At his age, and based on what I've seen, he's definitely mentally compromised.

I see no reason to believe he's dangerous and is going to start WW III... I'll leave that kind of hyper speculation up to you all.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 02, 2021, 12:22:11 PMI didn't see the world evil in the document you linked below.
I read the first 4 pages and didn't see anything terrible.  I also didn't find any of the three tenets of CRT to be terribly concerning.  I don't find CRT to be useful, and probably does the opposite of what we should want as a country, but I'd be curious to see some of the actual examples of areas where "radical institutional changes" would need to happen.

I provided one example of something I would think might be in the CRT purview based on my limited knowledge of CRT.
I was completely upfront about my lack of indepth  knowledge regarding CRT, so I'm not entire sure what you're getting at here.

Ok.  Do we not teach Marism, Communism, etc in college?  Again, I'm not saying I support what CRT is teaching, I'm simply making the case (despite your continued attempts to drag the discussion into the mud), that I think CRT is something that could be taught in the appropriate university environment or class.

In case any part of my comments have been unclear.... I don't support antifa or what they stand for.  I support the police reform that BLM initially was focused on, but don't support the violence, looting etc that sometimes comes along with BLM events.  You're welcome to show find all the posts where I commented on BLM and post them... just in case I'm trying to fool anyone.

The funny part is that I could link to a far left website where posters partake of the same broad-brush demonization of Conservatives/the Right.  They're just as wrong as everyone here, but this is what happens when you only choose to get one side of the story and allow yourselves to be lead down a path to demonization.
Again, I wouldn't expect Dems to condemn the entire BLM or Antifa organizations and more than I would expect Republicans to condemn the ENTIRE Republican party based on the actions of a few thousand people on Jan. 6th.  Intelligent people condemn actions, not people. I don't condemn all muslims, I condemn violent muslim extremists.

Again, I do not care about the political angle of this.  I said, and will continue to say, that I don't see a reason that CRT shouldn't be discussed/taught in college just as other theories, governments, etc are.  Sorry, I'm not going to be dragged into the mud on this.

It's not very Christian to accuse some one of lying with no evidence. 

Again, I'm not supporting CRT, I'm supporting it, as a theory, being taught under the right situation in college.  I see no reason to continue responding to "the mud" you want to drag this conversation into.  I don't buy into your broad-brush demonization.  I don't buy into you assertations that the entire Dem party is Marxist and Socialist.  I also don't buy into the same attitude I see from Democrats/the Left about Republicans/conservatives.  I think it's an absolutely uninformed, dangerous way to look at things and it's precisely why the country is becoming so divided.  You have news outlets demonizing entire groups of people because there's one loon here and there.

Glad to hear you are not supporting crt. Led me tell you what I do not like about it.

QuoteIn reality, it teaches unproven theories of systemic racism as proven fact, shaming any dissent as proof of this systemic racism. What's commonly known as a Kafka trap, the very act of denying you're a racist, is proof of racism, because, 'unconscious bias', or, 'benefiting from a system of white supremacy', all hard earned accomplishments were made on the backs of the oppressed. This isn't history, it's teaching about the here and now and the future.

 In other words, how dare whites claim anything they accomplished was done without being raciest. This is why when you claim there are acts of white supremacy, I wanted you to give examples, which you refused to do. Crt is teaching that this white supremacy is running rampant in this country and it is  the number one terrorist threat against the U.S, that crt is how businesses are run, that all policy is based on crt, and you can not give one example. You made a claim that democrats have condemned antifa/blm. No, they have not, they have condemned the Jan. 6th riot, they have condemned Trump supporters, they have condemned right to life supporters, they have condemned the police, none of whom have rioted, looted, burned and destroyed. If the democrats can name them and condemn them, why do they not name antifa/blm? Don't give me your talking points about how all of antifa/blm are not bad unless you can prove to me that all Trump supported, police, etc are all bad. If this is false as you claim, name the democrats who have condemned antifa/blm or even mentioned them when they were condemning "all acts of viloence'>  Your claim we also teach Marxism, Communism, etc, well there is something to teach there that is not just a lying theory based on no facts, do not list facts etc.

You are not the first or the last to come on board, make claims, and them not back them up. You are not the first to dance around questions and answer only by moving the goalposts.

QuoteAt the very least, we need to demand an honest debate to design future curriculum, the best path forward. CRT is designed to shut down all debate, all criticism is shamed as 'racism', 'white supremacy', the Kafka Trap is set, so naturally, most people are silent. Even when critics are non-white, they're shamed as Uncle Toms or white adjacent or the latest smear, 'multicultural whiteness.' Only an idiot who has incorporated white supremacy into their belief system would oppose CRT, according to CRT. After-all, we're not discussing a theory, one small part of a larger truth, it's orthodoxy that cannot be questioned. Several well credentialed critics are arguing that this new antiracism is more of a religion than a social justice movement. John McWhorter is publishing a book on the topic, worth looking into.

Don't fall for it, if it smells like crap, it probably is. The theories that have come out of CRT are so weak that any debate is a threat so they will resist, they will try to cancel anyone who stands up to it as a despicable racist.

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-many-people-against-critical-race-theory-being-taught-in-schools?share=1
 

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 02, 2021, 02:27:00 PMMaybe senile isn't the correct word. At his age, and based on what I've seen, he's definitely mentally compromised.

I see no reason to believe he's dangerous and is going to start WW III... I'll leave that kind of hyper speculation up to you all.

So, you would prefer to refer to him as "mentally compromised" and you're okay with him having the Nuclear codes?

YOU see "no reason" to believe that he's going to start WWIII? When Nuclear weapons are involved, you won't have time to "see reason". You and everyone else will be vaporized within hours or minutes. But, of course that is only "speculation" it may be quicker or longer depending on how long it would take for the missals to hit.

It's interesting to me that liberals always say that they have "no reason to believe". The people whose businesses were looted and/or ransacked by liberal, hateful mobs had "no reason to believe" that their business would be targeted. The folks who were out for a leisurely dinner had "no reason to believe" that they would be harassed/targeted and prevented from having their dinner. The people who were murdered had "no reason to believe" that they would die via murder. The Jews had "no reason to believe" that Adolf Hitler would blame them for every little problem that Germany had and try to exterminate them.

The American citizens who faithfully did their job and went to the polls only to have their votes cancelled by Marxist Commies who negated their vote, "had no reason to believe" that fraud would negate their vote either...

Quote from: RV on July 02, 2021, 05:49:14 PMSo, you would prefer to refer to him as "mentally compromised" and you're okay with him having the Nuclear codes?

YOU see "no reason" to believe that he's going to start WWIII? When Nuclear weapons are involved, you won't have time to "see reason". You and everyone else will be vaporized within hours or minutes. But, of course that is only "speculation" it may be quicker or longer depending on how long it would take for the missals to hit.

It's interesting to me that liberals always say that they have "no reason to believe". The people whose businesses were looted and/or ransacked by liberal, hateful mobs had "no reason to believe" that their business would be targeted. The folks who were out for a leisurely dinner had "no reason to believe" that they would be harassed/targeted and prevented from having their dinner. The people who were murdered had "no reason to believe" that they would die via murder. The Jews had "no reason to believe" that Adolf Hitler would blame them for every little problem that Germany had and try to exterminate them.

The American citizens who faithfully did their job and went to the polls only to have their votes cancelled by Marxist Commies who negated their vote, "had no reason to believe" that fraud would negate their vote either...

You have no idea how much you sound like Democrats when Trump was elected. They were going on and on about war, nuclear codes and Trump having access to the button. Lol...

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 03, 2021, 08:00:36 AMYou have no idea how much you sound like Democrats when Trump was elected. They were going on and on about war, nuclear codes and Trump having access to the button. Lol...

Big difference, Trump was not suffering from dementia.  You are probably the only person who can see humor in the nuclear codes in the power of a demented old fool.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 03, 2021, 08:00:36 AMYou have no idea how much you sound like Democrats when Trump was elected. They were going on and on about war, nuclear codes and Trump having access to the button. Lol...

Really? I can't ever recall the Democrats talking about election fraud during the 2020 Presidential election, Beijing Biden being mentally incompatant nor a Dimented Democrat having the Nuclear Codes. I can't recall the MSM EVER talking about those things either. So I guess, I'm just one of those "deplorables" that Democrats warned everyone about...

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 03, 2021, 08:00:36 AMYou have no idea how much you sound like Democrats when Trump was elected. They were going on and on about war, nuclear codes and Trump having access to the button. Lol...

Except Trump wasnt a known criminal covering up his sons crimes. Remember, biden admitted on camera to being involved in an illegal Quid Pro Quo with ukraine.

Quote from: RV on July 03, 2021, 08:26:53 AMReally? I can't ever recall the Democrats talking about election fraud during the 2020 Presidential election, Beijing Biden being mentally incompatant nor a Dimented Democrat having the Nuclear Codes. I can't recall the MSM EVER talking about those things either. So I guess, I'm just one of those "deplorables" that Democrats warned everyone about...

I was referring to the baseless panic over the fear of trump nuking the world.