I thought the headline should have stated "Republican Establishment Declares War on "Tea Party or Conservative" Voters...I guess the Republican party does act like the democraps and can't tell the truth.
All in all very interesting read. What I take out of this is the republicans will never learn a lesson from this last election. Bring it on John "GOP Establishment" Boehner, i'm geared up and ready for your fight Mr. Speaker.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_scott_rasmussen/republican_establishment_declares_war_on_gop_voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_scott_rasmussen/republican_establishment_declares_war_on_gop_voters)
I'm new here, trying to figure out the lay of the land. What was the "lesson from this last election" that you refer to?
So based on the fact that 7 out of 10 Pubs were against the fiscal cliff deal and those numbers reflect the populace at large, correct?
Then the GOP is fighting 70% of their supporters for the reins.
Yeah, that sounds like a smart move General RINO, Tsun Zu teachings show you are on the losing end of a very poorly planned attack.
We just might kick these RINO to the curb sooner than we thought possible. :laugh:
Quote from: mhughes on January 13, 2013, 09:18:06 AM
I'm new here, trying to figure out the lay of the land. What was the "lesson from this last election" that you refer to?
Maybe that nobody showed up to vote might be a great starting point. Putting forth the same old same old candidate that voters don't get excited about might be another lesson. Being afraid to take the gloves off and fight might be something I might have done. Do you really think we lost this last election because Obama was a better candidate...?
If yes, then for you my friend there is no lesson to be learned and your victory is well deserved. Your plan for detroying America is on course and you can tell your childern and grandchildern what great President Obama was your kind of American.
If the other applies I'm thinking you can come up with so many more lessons then I could ever come up with.
"Unfortunately, by seeking to protect the insiders from the voters, all indications are that most establishment Republicans would rather blame the voters and keep their perks. "
And that's pretty much all that needs to be said about the Republican party "leadership". Has it occurred to these clowns that screwing with your constituents means they don't show up on election day? Fixing the game may sound like a winner - until you realize you need their votes.
Quote from: Bronx on January 13, 2013, 09:50:29 AM
Maybe that nobody showed up to vote might be a great starting point. Putting forth the same old same old candidate that voters don't get excited about might be another lesson. Being afraid to take the gloves off and fight might be something I might have done. Do you really think we lost this last election because Obama was a better candidate...?
If yes, then for you my friend there is no lesson to be learned and your victory is well deserved. Your plan for detroying America is on course and you can tell your childern and grandchildern what great President Obama was your kind of American.
If the other applies I'm thinking you can come up with so many more lessons then I could ever come up with.
"Maybe that nobody showed up to vote might be a great starting point."
Bronx, that is an excellent point. The election wizards in the GOP should be asking "why". On the margins, I believe some folks did not show up because Romney is a Mormon. However, that is not the real reason. For two campaigns the GOP did not go after Obama, his background and lack of any record of accomplishment. Many folks are just fed up!
I remember hearing about something interesting in California primaries. Essentially, it boiled down to taking the top two primary winners to the general election, and not the top from each party. Can't remember if that was actually being implemented, or just being talked about.
Do you think something like that would help here? It seems like a better representation of the people.
The entire notion of bipartisanship is a joke. They already are bipartisan.
This solidifies what I've been saying for years............
There are two teams; them, and us. "Them", are the self serving crap that work in Washington. "Us", is the rest of us.
"They" win, and "We" lose. The only thing that ever changes, is that "They" keep getting more expensive, and "We" have to pay the bills. :mad:
At least the GOP recognizes the national debt is a problem. I have noticed over the past week more and more dems are saying the debt doesn't matter and we need more stimulus. This is not news, but they obviously are ignoring history and reality.
On another note. Not that we can believe what Obama says, but Jay Carney stated yesterday that the administration is not considering using the 14th Ammendment to bypass Congress on the debt ceiling. I hope the House stands by their word and not increase the ceiling without "real" spending cuts. If Obama stonewalls then let the administration make the hard decsions what they have to cut.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 13, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
At least the GOP recognizes the national debt is a problem. I have noticed over the past week more and more dems are saying the debt doesn't matter and we need more stimulus. This is not news, but they obviously are ignoring history and reality.
On another note. Not that we can believe what Obama says, but Jay Carney stated yesterday that the administration is not considering using the 14th Ammendment to bypass Congress on the debt ceiling. I hope the House stands by their word and not increase the ceiling without "real" spending cuts. If Obama stonewalls then let the administration make the hard decsions what they have to cut.
I really can't comprehend how
any of them can continue piling on this debt, and claim that they are doing the work of the "People". It makes me sick.
Bottom line is there is not much (if any) difference between current R's & D's.
It seems to me that the great failing of the Republican establishment is their obsessive need for approval by the media.
Quote from: mhughes on January 13, 2013, 09:18:06 AM
I'm new here, trying to figure out the lay of the land. What was the "lesson from this last election" that you refer to?
The lesson from the last election is this:
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 13, 2013, 04:07:07 PM
The lesson from the last election is this:
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin
Nailed it!
Between a pissed off base and leeches on the left, the country doesn't stand a chance.
Quote from: Solar on January 14, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
Nailed it!
Between a pissed off base and leeches on the left, the country doesn't stand a chance.
Our founding fathers were very wise men. Unfortunately, Obama has no use for wise men.
I am more and more convinced that the GOP likes to talk like they are determined to cut the size of government and taxes but has no commitment to what they say. In earlier posts it was said there is little difference between R & D and that the R's are concerned with pleasing the press. I think the first part is more true than the media wants you to believe and I think the second part is how the R's have found a way to cave in on making cuts and reducing the size of govt.
Pretend to fight and then cave in citing that to stay the course the party would be ruined in the media. I think we all know that not matter what the GOP does the media will turn it into a bad thing. Vote against Dems they are obstructionists or racists. Vote with the Dem party and they are showing how the GOP is falling apart and has no unity. The media is already stirring the pot about the battle that is coming in just a few weeks. Even saying that Obama has to be careful. All just to set the table. GOP will cave and the media will love it. Then they can say that it was a work of art the way Obama used his skilful diplomacy to get his way.
I hope in 8 weeks I look back and think OMG the GOP used good strategy and held strong to get an agreement that is best for this country. I want to be one of those who have to say I got it totally wrong.
At this moment I think the debt ceiling goes through with no tax cuts because the D's say that it is up to the R's to put in the cuts that they want. Afraid to be at the front on cutting anything they cave in and say that they will really stick to their guns during the sequestration debate.
QuoteAt this moment I think the debt ceiling goes through with no tax cuts because the D's say that it is up to the R's to put in the cuts that they want. Afraid to be at the front on cutting anything they cave in and say that they will really stick to their guns during the sequestration debate.
I agree with your proposed outcome, but not with the reason.
The dems have a simple message on the debt ceiling that goes something like ... "You decide to cut budgets when deciding what to spend, not when the bill comes in."
It's hard to be the fiscally responsible party when the other side can paint you as the party not wanting to pay their bills.
Obama just gave a speech talking about how he will not negotiate and how irresponsible the GOP would be if they did not raise the debt ceiling. I am sure they will cave and yes they will use the same logic as Obama and claim that this is not the time for discussion as the bills need to be paid.
They should only pass a bill that is high enough for a month or two. Have this discussion every week. Pass it but maybe if some of the Dems pay attention to how much we are borrowing every month they might get a clue that it is out of control.