Higher unemployment than when he took office, higher energy costs, higher gas prices which translates into higher food costs.
An overbearing EPA, laws killing energy production yet the private sector still managed to produce no matter how hard Husein tried to stop the private sector.
Gave Brazil billions to help them produce energy, but cut our own country's ability to produce, gave billions of our tax dollars to his buddies for his Green energy scheme. (Marxist version of crony Capitalism.)
This is only a tiny portion of his screw-ups, I didn't even mention his move to divide the races.
His plan to fundamentally change America became quite clear when he forced EOs on the country as any good dictator would.
And you fools actually think the American people are so stupid as to have lived in a bubble the last four years?
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:00:20 AM
And you fools actually think the American people are so stupid as to have lived in a bubble the last four years?
They elected Bush. Twice. :rolleyes: Well, I should say once.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 07:03:33 AM
They elected Bush. Twice. :rolleyes: Well, I should say once.
That's your response?
The FOUR TRILLION Dollar answer. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
So if Obama wins, do you conclude that the American people are stupid?
But wait; that would mean that YOU HATE AMERICA! :lol:
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 07:09:56 AM
So if Obama wins, do you conclude that the American people are stupid?
But wait; that would mean that YOU HATE AMERICA! :lol:
We do have a lot of stupid Americans. Fortunately they never vote in the numbers they did in 2008
Obama will pay for my gas and mortgage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLMHgO0HkfA#)
"Keep Obama in President"
Obama Phone Lady REMIX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9mFdFzKV4k#ws)
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:00:20 AM
Higher unemployment than when he took office, higher energy costs, higher gas prices which translates into higher food costs.
An overbearing EPA, laws killing energy production yet the private sector still managed to produce no matter how hard Husein tried to stop the private sector.
Gave Brazil billions to help them produce energy, but cut our own country's ability to produce, gave billions of our tax dollars to his buddies for his Green energy scheme. (Marxist version of crony Capitalism.)
This is only a tiny portion of his screw-ups, I didn't even mention his move to divide the races.
His plan to fundamentally change America became quite clear when he forced EOs on the country as any good dictator would.
And you fools actually think the American people are so stupid as to have lived in a bubble the last four years?
Stupid Americans is your term... but yes, Obama will win. Sorry to break it to you that it has been you that hasn't had a pulse on America.
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 07:26:27 AM
I see you are finally showing your true lib colors.
Funny how you claim authority in the matter, yet felt you needed to deceive us into believing that you were a Conservative certain Husein would win.
You see, this in itself is proof that the left is so scared they are willing to lie for the socialist.
Have you no moral base from which to tether?
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:39:42 AM
I see you are finally showing your true lib colors.
Funny how you claim authority in the matter, yet felt you needed to deceive us into believing that you were a Conservative certain Husein would win.
You see, this in itself is proof that the left is so scared they are willing to lie for the socialist.
Have you no moral base from which to tether?
Yeah, sure. Just because Im right and aware of what's going on. You live in lala land. Well you live in Cali, close enough.
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 07:47:34 AM
Yeah, sure. Just because Im right and aware of what's going on. You live in lala land. Well you live in Cali, close enough.
What is it with you libs and telling the truth, is it some kind of character flaw that you need to lie to get your way?
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:53:36 AM
What is it with you libs and telling the truth, is it some kind of character flaw that you need to lie to get your way?
Mitt Romney: I want universal health care coverage.
Are they that stupid? They believe Nate Silver.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 08:59:49 AM
Are they that stupid? They believe Nate Silver.
Because they
want to believe. They
need to believe. If they don't believe, their bubble of unicorns and pixie dust collapses around them - and mean, rotten, cruel reality intrudes! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 07:57:16 AM
Mitt Romney: I want universal health care coverage.
Nice deflection.
Free phones, gas payments, mortgages covered? Ask the people most affected by hurricane Sandy what exactly they are getting help with after a week of sheer misery.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 09:15:45 AM
Nice deflection.
Okay you think Mitt will win a landslide, I think Obama will. Obviously one of us will be wrong and when you are you can complain about it being rigged. Sorry Solar, your socially conservative society will never come to fruition.
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 10:00:27 AM
Okay you think Mitt will win a landslide, I think Obama will. Obviously one of us will be wrong and when you are you can complain about it being rigged. Sorry Solar, your socially conservative society will never come to fruition.
Solar is actually able to articulate
why he thinks Romney will win...
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 10:00:27 AM
Okay you think Mitt will win a landslide, I think Obama will. Obviously one of us will be wrong and when you are you can complain about it being rigged. Sorry Solar, your socially conservative society will never come to fruition.
The less you talk, the less crow you'll have to eat.
Rush made it simple. Simple enough, for a Liberal masquerading as a Libertarian, to understand it:
1) Will Republican turn-out be higher in 2012 for Romney than it was in 2008 for McCain?
2) Will Democrat turn-out be higher or lower in 2012 than it was in 2008?
Quote from: Yawn on November 06, 2012, 10:11:27 AM
The less you talk, the less crow you'll have to eat.
If Obama wins, I am never letting you forget this quote.
No "ifs" with me. I have zero doubt.
Quote from: Yawn on November 06, 2012, 10:47:52 AM
No "ifs" with me. I have zero doubt.
How could you be so disconnected from reality to have
zero doubts over
any election?
Now I know that you're bullshitting.
One thing is certain if he wins that will be the end of the United States as we know it today. You have a president that is hell bent on destroying this great union. I just don't understand why people can't wake up and see..
The really baffling part to me is if all the christian alone voted for Romney he would overwhelmly win. They should because Obozo supports abortion and Gay marriage. To things that a real christian could not support but they choose not to because of skin color or in fear of someone calling them raciest..
Quote from: dk4210 on November 06, 2012, 10:58:46 AM
One thing is certain if he wins that will be the end of the United States as we know it today.
:lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
You guys are digging yourselves a deeper hole with every post. You do realize that, barring some very overt post suppression, everything you post can be called up four years from now and tested, right?
Obama is actually a left leaning centrist by the standards of Western civilization. And Western European nations, along with Canada, have adopted far more liberal policies than that of Obama's, and are doing just fine.
Quote from: Yawn on November 06, 2012, 10:11:27 AM
The less you talk, the less crow you'll have to eat.
Rush made it simple. Simple enough, for a Liberal masquerading as a Libertarian, to understand it:
1) Will Republican turn-out be higher in 2012 for Romney than it was in 2008 for McCain?
2) Will Democrat turn-out be higher or lower in 2012 than it was in 2008?
Well since rush said it... hahaha when ohio and florida turn blue will it sink in? Of course not,
y'all still think california is turning red. :ttoung:
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 11:01:05 AM
:lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
You guys are digging yourselves a deeper hole with every post. You do realize that, barring some very overt post suppression, everything you post can be called up four years from now and tested, right?
Obama is actually a left leaning centrist by the standards of Western civilization. And Western European nations, along with Canada, have adopted far more liberal policies than that of Obama's, and are doing just fine.
LOL!
Let's see. Canada's economy is thriving with 3.3 percent annual growth and who is in power? Wait for it......the Canadian Conservative government led by the fiscally Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Canada's general sales tax has been slashed from 7 percent to 5 percent. The corporate tax rate fell to 15 percent this year. And the biggie: Canada;s universal health care system began implementing free market, competition driven policies. Not to mention cutting spending and balancing budgets.
Meanwhile....
Obama owns a portion of the banking sector, the auto industry and the health care sector. In other words the US government owns 1/3 of the economy. He has raised taxes on everyone 19 times when you factor in Obamacare. He spent six trillion dollars and has never had a budget never mind balancing one.
I haven't even gotten to Europe yet.
You need to learn before you post cupcake.
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
Well since rush said it... hahaha when ohio and florida turn blue will it sink in? Of course not,
y'all still think california is turning red. :ttoung:
If you can't
PUBLICLY answer that question, at least try to be honest with yourself:
1) Will Republican turn-out be higher in 2012 for Romney than it was in 2008 for McCain?
2) Will Democrat turn-out be higher or lower in 2012 than it was in 2008?
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
Well since rush said it... hahaha when ohio and florida turn blue will it sink in? Of course not,
y'all still think california is turning red. :ttoung:
You are giving Redlom and Elmer a run for the forum's top liberal...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
LOL!
Let's see. Canada's economy is thriving with 3.3 percent annual growth and who is in power? Wait for it......the Canadian Conservative government led by the fiscally Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Canada's general sales tax has been slashed from 7 percent to 5 percent. The corporate tax rate fell to 15 percent this year. And the biggie: Canada;s universal health care system began implementing free market, competition driven policies. Not to mention cutting spending and balancing budgets.
Meanwhile....
Obama owns a portion of the banking sector, the auto industry and the health care sector. In other words the US government owns 1/3 of the economy. He has raised taxes on everyone 19 times when you factor in Obamacare. He spent six trillion dollars and has never had a budget never mind balancing one.
I haven't even gotten to Europe yet.
You need to learn before you post cupcake.
The poor kid is coming unhinged. Conservative policies have boosted Canada to the 6th best economy in the world. Thanks to mr obama, they are implementing plans to run the pipeline to the west coast, enabling them to ship oil directly to China.
Little cupcake is making this far too easy. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
LOL!
Let's see. Canada's economy is thriving with 3.3 percent annual growth and who is in power? Wait for it......the Canadian Conservative government led by the fiscally Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Canada's general sales tax has been slashed from 7 percent to 5 percent. The corporate tax rate fell to 15 percent this year. And the biggie: Canada;s universal health care system began implementing free market, competition driven policies. Not to mention cutting spending and balancing budgets.
Meanwhile....
Obama owns a portion of the banking sector, the auto industry and the health care sector. In other words the US government owns 1/3 of the economy. He has raised taxes on everyone 19 times when you factor in Obamacare. He spent six trillion dollars and has never had a budget never mind balancing one.
I haven't even gotten to Europe yet.
You need to learn before you post cupcake.
What's next? Sweden! I choose Sweden because it is often the example of Liberal and socialist success. But is it really? Question: What country had highest growth rate in the world between 1870 and 1936? Answer: You guessed it. Sweden What sort of economy did it have? You're wrong it was free market capitalism. The Social Democratic system didn't arrive until 1937. Between 1936 and 2008 Sweden was ranked a dismal 18th. Then in 2008 a Conservative government gained power and implemented deep tax cuts and policies such as partially privatizing pensions and adding a school voucher system.
Seems the beacons of Liberal utopia are slowly moving to a more Conservative system.
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 10:00:27 AM
Okay you think Mitt will win a landslide, I think Obama will. Obviously one of us will be wrong and when you are you can complain about it being rigged. Sorry Solar, your socially conservative society will never come to fruition.
You see, the difference in you and I, is you think Husein actually has a chance. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I stand a better chance at seeing my country return to it's roots , than you do of seeing Husein continue his quest for a socialist society.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 03:41:44 PM
You see, the difference in you and I, is you think Husein actually has a chance. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I stand a better chance at seeing my country return to it's roots , than you do of seeing Husein continue his quest for a socialist society.
Obama barely ekes out a one percent win with polls oversampling Democrats by 12....
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 03:46:58 PM
Obama barely ekes out a one percent win with polls oversampling Democrats by 12....
Amazing, they have weighted the polls to look like 2008, and completely ignored the 2010 thrashing.
Did these idiots sleep through the mid term?
Then no one takes into account Hussein is completely responsible for the death of four great Americans.
And libs actually think the people ignored his incompetence running the country.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Amazing, they have weighted the polls to look like 2008, and completely ignored the 2010 thrashing.
Did these idiots sleep through the mid term?
Then no one takes into account Hussein is completely responsible for the death of four great Americans.
And libs actually think the people ignored his incompetence running the country.
And then there are the independents...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
And then there are the independents...
Oh yeah, the people that fell for the hype the first time, only to vote against Husein this time around, those Indies?
Obama with a 4 point lead in florida... 25% of the vote in. :popcorn:
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 04:35:18 PM
Obama with a 4 point lead in florida... 25% of the vote in. :popcorn:
Unicorn farts, sunbeams and pots of gold....... :rolleyes:
Quote from: For Liberty on November 06, 2012, 04:35:18 PM
Obama with a 4 point lead in florida... 25% of the vote in. :popcorn:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 06:31:54 PM
:thumbsup:
They both have 153 Electoral votes :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 06:32:52 PM
They both have 153 Electoral votes :rolleyes:
So? Romney's already gotten all of his southern states, including Texas. California hasn't even been called yet, and you know it's going for Obama.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 06:44:14 PM
So? Romney's already gotten all of his southern states, including Texas. California hasn't even been called yet, and you know it's going for Obama.
So California is the deciding factor. That's new...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 06:49:10 PM
So California is the deciding factor. That's new...
No, I'm just responding to your ridiculous statement that my projection was inaccurate because the electoral vote is currently tied. That's because Romney's already gotten all of his big cards counted. Obama still has the east.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 06:51:18 PM
No, I'm just responding to your ridiculous statement that my projection was inaccurate because the electoral vote is currently tied. That's because Romney's already gotten all of his big cards counted. Obama still has the east.
Typical liberal know it all who knows nothing, California, Washington and Oregon are in the WEST not East
Hey republican morons.... Florida is in the bag for Obama :popcorn: Game Over
Quote from: MichaelJ on November 06, 2012, 06:54:27 PM
Typical liberal know it all who knows nothing, California, Washington and Oregon are in the WEST not East
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Bad sign. Stock markets futures are tanking.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 06, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
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No, just someone who is a lot smarter than you
Quote from: MichaelJ on November 08, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
No, just someone who is a lot smarter than you
Given that he was wrong and I was right, you're full of shit.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
Given that he was wrong and I was right, you're full of shit.
So you still think California is in the East huh?
Quote from: MichaelJ on November 08, 2012, 01:44:11 PM
So you still think California is in the East huh?
No, it was obviously a typo. Too bad for you that I was right, and you were wrong. And you therefore have no right to act tough. It's getting ridiculous.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 01:45:08 PM
No, it was obviously a typo. Too bad for you that I was right, and you were wrong. And you therefore have no right to act tough. It's getting ridiculous.
Remind me again where I was wrong?
Quote from: MichaelJ on November 08, 2012, 02:15:22 PM
Remind me again where I was wrong?
He's on a time out for "Stupid In Public" for a day, that is, if he can be more civil when he returns, otherwise he's just a scuff on my boot.
Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2012, 02:25:48 PM
He's on a time out for "Stupid In Public" for a day, that is, if he can be more civil when he returns, otherwise he's just a scuff on my boot.
Somebody called me a dumb-shit, and you did nothing. I guess Fox New's "fair and balanced" motto didn't rub off on you.
Oh, and you still haven't responded to your claim that the Rasmussen Report's electoral map was the same thing as a national poll.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
Somebody called me a dumb-shit, and you did nothing. I guess Fox New's "fair and balanced" motto didn't rub off on you.
Oh, and you still haven't responded to your claim that the Rasmussen Report's electoral map was the same thing as a national poll.
What's wrong with you?
Obama won, and your brain is spinning and you've got smoke coming out of your ears.
I guess angry winners is what we get. :blink:
Can't wait for four more years.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:00:20 AM
Higher unemployment than when he took office, higher energy costs, higher gas prices which translates into higher food costs.
An overbearing EPA, laws killing energy production yet the private sector still managed to produce no matter how hard Husein tried to stop the private sector.
Gave Brazil billions to help them produce energy, but cut our own country's ability to produce, gave billions of our tax dollars to his buddies for his Green energy scheme. (Marxist version of crony Capitalism.)
This is only a tiny portion of his screw-ups, I didn't even mention his move to divide the races.
His plan to fundamentally change America became quite clear when he forced EOs on the country as any good dictator would.
And you fools actually think the American people are so stupid as to have lived in a bubble the last four years?
it seems like you've been in a bubble. You're the one that actually thought Romney would win in a landslide.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 08, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
Somebody called me a dumb-shit, and you did nothing. I guess Fox New's "fair and balanced" motto didn't rub off on you.
Oh, and you still haven't responded to your claim that the Rasmussen Report's electoral map was the same thing as a national poll.
Let me make this as clear as possible Dumb Shit, you are a Lib on a Conservative forum, you don't have the same rights as the thinking person.
You come here and antagonize members with no interest of real debate.
Quote from: Solar on November 08, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
Let me make this as clear as possible Dumb Shit, you are a Lib on a Conservative forum, you don't have the same rights as the thinking person.
Wait; did you just admit that the rules apply differently to you, depending on your political beliefs? :blink:
I know that boards do that all the time. I never heard someone actually admit it before.
----
Quite frankly, I'm appalled by your continued refusal to abide by your own board's premise and debate using
facts. Every time you open your proverbial mouth, you spew rhetoric and make "rightful assumptions" that lack even the most basic logical coherence.
I kid you not when I say that you would be laughed off of a middle school debate team.
Stll waiting for you to tell me where I was wrong Sci Fi
Oh, BTW Sci (may I call you that), I am a huge Sci Fi fan myself. I loved the Star Trek series, Alien series, Predator series, Terminator series and of course that great Sci Fi classic Global Warming.
Quote from: MichaelJ on November 11, 2012, 07:04:06 AM
Stll waiting for you to tell me where I was wrong Sci Fi
Ooohhh, you got me there. I originally said "I was right, and he was wrong", and then I confused the two of you (understandably so), and said "I was right, and you were wrong". :rolleyes:
Now, do you actually have a relevant argument to make, or are you just trying to score points?
Congrats, you're unusual for a Lib, being able to admit you're wrong that is
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 07:00:51 AM
Wait; did you just admit that the rules apply differently to you, depending on your political beliefs? :blink:
I know that boards do that all the time. I never heard someone actually admit it before.
No, the rule I'm speaking of is if an argument gets out of control, I'll boot the lib, because by your very nature you are disrupting a forum for Conservatives.
In other words, if you weren't here, there wouldn't be an argument. This is a forum for Conservatives, not libs, if you don't like it, leave, if you continue to be an ass, I'll see that you leave.
QuoteQuite frankly, I'm appalled by your continued refusal to abide by your own board's premise and debate using facts. Every time you open your proverbial mouth, you spew rhetoric and make "rightful assumptions" that lack even the most basic logical coherence.
I kid you not when I say that you would be laughed off of a middle school debate team.
Just because you're too damn stupid to understand basic concepts of human nature is no reflection on others or myself.
Fact is, you're a lib, that in itself screams emotion, not critical thinking.
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2012, 08:26:21 AM
In other words, if you weren't here, there wouldn't be an argument.
Wait: so you
discourage discourse?
QuoteThis is a forum for Conservatives, not libs,
So you do not want to actually have to defend your position against liberals? You designed this board for conservatives to assure themselves and avoid real debate?
Quote
Just because you're too damn stupid to understand basic concepts of human nature is no reflection on others or myself.
See? The only arguments you have are "basic concepts of human nature", "rightly assumed", "self evident", "obvious". :rolleyes:
Nice rhetoric. Bad logic.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 09:00:33 AM
Wait: so you discourage discourse?
So you do not want to actually have to defend your position against liberals? You designed this board for conservatives to assure themselves and avoid real debate?
See? The only arguments you have are "basic concepts of human nature", "rightly assumed", "self evident", "obvious". :rolleyes:
Nice rhetoric. Bad logic.
I see no need to convince someone with the logic and debating skill set of a 7th grader whom is completely irrelevant to the forum why my point is valid.
You bring absolutely nothing to the forum. In a debate, both sides generally come to a conclusion that both have a valid point, sadly, you are simply too biased to accept the other sides version, a side that our Founders decided was the correct path.
Point is, the left wants change and damn anyone or anything that gets in their way, you abhor compromise, which is why were in the mess were in, the GOP has been compromising for decades, sometimes on their own volition, others through coercion, but always compromising.
If you were actually honest, you would agree.
With that in mind, debating is about recognizing that the other side has a valid point, something you have never done once, it's your way or the highway.
So you see, your presence is in noway a benefit to the forum.
So why should I let you stay? Make your case.
EDIT: Solar, I sent you a PM, but I don't know if you got it, since nothing's showing up in my sent box.
I would like to challenge you do a formalized, one on one debate on our opposing political views. You can choose to make the opening statements or not. We will each be sure to specifically respond to every part of the other's arguments with a well organized, logical coherent post.
You know, like formal debate. Not mud slinging.
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Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2012, 09:34:09 AM
I see no need to convince someone with the logic and debating skill set of a 7th grader whom is completely irrelevant to the forum why my point is valid.
More rhetoric, still no facts.
Quote
You bring absolutely nothing to the forum. In a debate, both sides generally come to a conclusion that both have a valid point,
Wait; you've come to this conclusion? Show me where you've agreed with a liberal here. Honestly.
Quotesadly, you are simply too biased to accept the other sides version, a side that our Founders decided was the correct path.
Appeal to Tradition. Appeal to Authority. Would you like to espouse more logical fallacies?
Quote
Point is, the left wants change and damn anyone or anything that gets in their way, you abhor compromise, which is why were in the mess were in, the GOP has been compromising for decades, sometimes on their own volition, others through coercion, but always compromising.
That's it! :thumbsup: Now, you're at least presenting a contestable thesis. You might actually get a passing grade for your 8th grade English essay!
Allow me to rebute: did you know that Obama presented tax cuts for small businesses and 98% of the populace, as well as bills helping veterans of the US military? Guess why they didn't pass? The House blocked the bills, simply because they were presented by Obama.
Quote
If you were actually honest, you would agree.
If you actually proved your case, I might.
QuoteWith that in mind, debating is about recognizing that the other side has a valid point, something you have never done once, it's your way or the highway.
1. You've never acknowledged any of my arguments, hypocrite.
2. You're appealing to the Golden Mean fallacy. Yet again you demonstrate an inability to grasp the most basic concepts.
Quote
So you see, your presence is in noway a benefit to the forum.
So why should I let you stay? Make your case.
Because over the course of my stay, you never demonstrate the willingness to sit down and have a formal, fact based debate with me or any liberal on this forum.
And by this, I mean a formalized argument with clearly defined theses, contentions, and then a point by point rebuttal of the opposing argument with facts and evidence.
You know, you just quote my posts and make rebuttals completely unrelated to my specific logic and arguments. In fact, I suspect that you will do this now; quote this entire post as though it were one argument, and post something nonsubstantial and completely unrelated to the point.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 09:42:16 AM
EDIT: Solar, I sent you a PM, but I don't know if you got it, since nothing's showing up in my sent box.
I would like to challenge you do a formalized, one on one debate on our opposing political views. You can choose to make the opening statements or not. We will each be sure to specifically respond to every part of the other's arguments with a well organized, logical coherent post.
You know, like formal debate. Not mud slinging.
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More rhetoric, still no facts.
Wait; you've come to this conclusion? Show me where you've agreed with a liberal here. Honestly.
Appeal to Tradition. Appeal to Authority. Would you like to espouse more logical fallacies?
That's it! :thumbsup: Now, you're at least presenting a contestable thesis. You might actually get a passing grade for your 8th grade English essay!
Allow me to rebute: did you know that Obama presented tax cuts for small businesses and 98% of the populace, as well as bills helping veterans of the US military? Guess why they didn't pass? The House blocked the bills, simply because they were presented by Obama.
If you actually proved your case, I might.
1. You've never acknowledged any of my arguments, hypocrite.
2. You're appealing to the Golden Mean fallacy. Yet again you demonstrate an inability to grasp the most basic concepts.
Because over the course of my stay, you never demonstrate the willingness to sit down and have a formal, fact based debate with me or any liberal on this forum.
And by this, I mean a formalized argument with clearly defined theses, contentions, and then a point by point rebuttal of the opposing argument with facts and evidence.
You know, you just quote my posts and make rebuttals completely unrelated to my specific logic and arguments. In fact, I suspect that you will do this now; quote this entire post as though it were one argument, and post something nonsubstantial and completely unrelated to the point.
And I responded:
You assume you are relevant, you're not, I have no interest in what you believe, it's that simple.
Try this, tell the forum why Husein is right in killing our energy production.
The forum believes he's wrong, that is, unless you think he's wrong as well, then it's a moot point.
But the truth is, I have a life and haven't the time to dedicate to one single individual over what it takes to run the forum.
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2012, 09:55:37 AM
And I responded:
You assume you are relevant, you're not, I have no interest in what you believe, it's that simple.
Whatever you wish. But if you aren't willing to debate me on the facts, don't run around pretending you've shot them down.
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Try this, tell the forum why Husein is right in killing our energy production.
Sure thing. You see, as I've pointed out on various threads (all of which you have run away from), 97 to 99% of climate scientists, and every reputable scientific organization in the world, agrees that climate change is manmade and very much real.
You might not like it, but the long term continuity of our civilization is far more important than short term energy production, and if your tax dollars were ever worth anything, it would be for this.
Now: I would expect you to provide real scientific data to suggest that global warming is a hoax, rather than opinion pieces written by journalists.
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The forum believes he's wrong, that is, unless you think he's wrong as well, then it's a moot point.
But the truth is, I have a life and haven't the time to dedicate to one single individual over what it takes to run the forum.
What are you talking about? Do you shun individual, formal debates? Does it suck that you can't just quote a large block of evidence and dismiss it with some non-substantial rhetoric?
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 10:01:03 AM
Whatever you wish. But if you aren't willing to debate me on the facts, don't run around pretending you've shot them down.
Sure thing. You see, as I've pointed out on various threads (all of which you have run away from), 97 to 99% of climate scientists, and every reputable scientific organization in the world, agrees that climate change is manmade and very much real.
You might not like it, but the long term continuity of our civilization is far more important than short term energy production, and if your tax dollars were ever worth anything, it would be for this.
Now: I would expect you to provide real scientific data to suggest that global warming is a hoax, rather than opinion pieces written by journalists.
What are you talking about? Do you shun individual, formal debates? Does it suck that you can't just quote a large block of evidence and dismiss it with some non-substantial rhetoric?
You are completely clueless, we are a forum, you do know what a forum is, right?
It's where everyone has a say, not just two people.
As to global warming BS, it's been beaten to death, look up some old threads, I see no reason discussing something that has become irrelevant since the planet hasn't warmed in a decade.
Besides, Dr Watt explained away your 99% BS the other day.
Oh, and show me where we are going to get the energy we need if we can't drill for it.
Raising the cost of energy 20% is what you can expect next year, that is, if the EPA implements Husein' plan.
But again, debating this whole point with you is a complete waste of time, you've swallowed so much Koolaid that you no longer listen to reason.
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
As to global warming BS, it's been beaten to death, look up some old threads, I see no reason discussing something that has become irrelevant since the planet hasn't warmed in a decade.
I love how you think I'm supposed to trust "old threads" of an online forum more than the entire scientific community.
Including that Michio Kaku you love.
QuoteBesides, Dr Watt explained away your 99% BS the other day.
???
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Oh, and show me where we are going to get the energy we need if we can't drill for it.
Nuclear power (yes, I know Greenpeace opposes it - they're morons). Solar and wind energy. For automobiles, invest more in hydrogen powered cars and other methods of using more environmentally friendly energy sources.
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Raising the cost of energy 20% is what you can expect next year, that is, if the EPA implements Husein' plan.
But again, debating this whole point with you is a complete waste of time, you've swallowed so much Koolaid that you no longer listen to reason.
And what happens when we run out of oil? Or did you think that the keystone pipeline would provide Free Energy? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 11, 2012, 11:26:48 AM
I love how you think I'm supposed to trust "old threads" of an online forum more than the entire scientific community.
Including that Michio Kaku you love.
???
Nuclear power (yes, I know Greenpeace opposes it - they're morons). Solar and wind energy. For automobiles, invest more in hydrogen powered cars and other methods of using more environmentally friendly energy sources.
And what happens when we run out of oil? Or did you think that the keystone pipeline would provide Free Energy? :rolleyes:
Hydrogen requires electricity, a Hell of a lot of electricity.
So why is your party/Husein setting road blocks against nuclear plants and killing coal along with stopping drilling for oil on Fed lands and increasing taxes on all natural fuels, including Ng.?
And oil is nowhere near running out for at least a millennium, I think we have plenty of time to find a replacement, or technology to make our own.
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:00:20 AM
Higher unemployment than when he took office, higher energy costs, higher gas prices which translates into higher food costs.
An overbearing EPA, laws killing energy production yet the private sector still managed to produce no matter how hard Husein tried to stop the private sector.
Gave Brazil billions to help them produce energy, but cut our own country's ability to produce, gave billions of our tax dollars to his buddies for his Green energy scheme. (Marxist version of crony Capitalism.)
This is only a tiny portion of his screw-ups, I didn't even mention his move to divide the races.
His plan to fundamentally change America became quite clear when he forced EOs on the country as any good dictator would.
And you fools actually think the American people are so stupid as to have lived in a bubble the last four years?
I believe that 62,003,464 people are that stupid. But, consider this. This is a nation of 340,000,000 people. Barely 18% of our populace has decided who the president for the other 82% will be.
QuoteFor automobiles, invest more in hydrogen powered cars and other methods of using more environmentally friendly energy sources.
Good grief! Now he thinks you mine or drill for hydrogen! You create hydrogen, usually by breaking down water. That takes energy--usually in the form of electricity (which would be produced with coal, hydro, oil, or natural gas). Hydrogen is a great way to STORE energy, but it is not used to create it (unless we scoop a bucketful from the sun :laugh:)
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:00:20 AM
Higher unemployment than when he took office, higher energy costs, higher gas prices which translates into higher food costs.
An overbearing EPA, laws killing energy production yet the private sector still managed to produce no matter how hard Husein tried to stop the private sector.
Gave Brazil billions to help them produce energy, but cut our own country's ability to produce, gave billions of our tax dollars to his buddies for his Green energy scheme. (Marxist version of crony Capitalism.)
This is only a tiny portion of his screw-ups, I didn't even mention his move to divide the races.
His plan to fundamentally change America became quite clear when he forced EOs on the country as any good dictator would.
And you fools actually think the American people are so stupid as to have lived in a bubble the last four years?
I absolutely think the American people are that stupid. 50% of them that voted for the Marxist are anyway.
How many times have I said on this board and others....never underestimate the STUPIDITY of the American people.
How easy to buy their vote with a few shiney promises.
Billy
Hydrogen...
What a wonderful idea! :rolleyes:
Hindenburg Crash in 1937 - Original Footage! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFptgQ8GA_U#)
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 11, 2012, 05:46:05 PM
Hydrogen...
What a wonderful idea! :rolleyes:
Hindenburg Crash in 1937 - Original Footage! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFptgQ8GA_U#)
Well its a better idea than using pond scum for energy.... :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 11, 2012, 05:48:30 PM
Well its a better idea than using pond scum for energy.... :laugh: :laugh:
Now is that anyway to talk about our Liberal friends?!
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 08:59:49 AM
Are they that stupid? They believe Nate Silver.
Yeah, what does Nate Silver know. He correctly predicted all 50 States +DC in 2012, and 49 out of 50 States + DC in 2008. He's correctly predicted 101 out of 102 States/DC in the last two presidential elections.
But what does he know?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 06, 2012, 10:06:26 AM
Solar is actually able to articulate why he thinks Romney will win...
Anybody who thought Romney would win is a fool. Not only did Nate Silver give Obama a 90%+ chance of winning, but CNN and the Huffington Post BOTH had Obama WAY ahead in the Electoral College in the weeks leading up to the election.
Only crazy people thought that Romney would win.
Quote from: Yawn on November 06, 2012, 10:47:52 AM
No "ifs" with me. I have zero doubt.
Still have no doubt about Romney winning? :laugh: :ttoung: :lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: RightIsRight on November 11, 2012, 06:15:54 PM
Yeah, what does Nate Silver know. He correctly predicted all 50 States +DC in 2012, and 49 out of 50 States + DC in 2008. He's correctly predicted 101 out of 102 States/DC in the last two presidential elections.
But what does he know?
So I could go to Vegas and Bet on the Red....or the black or Odd and even....plunk my fortune down and either doubled it and been rich or lost it all....That makes me "smart"????? :lol: :lol:
Is silver 'Smart' or did he know they were going to stuff the ballot anyway?
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 11, 2012, 06:21:11 PM
So I could go to Vegas and Bet on the Red....or the black or Odd and even....plunk my fortune down and either doubled it and been rich or lost it all....That makes me "smart"????? :lol: :lol:
Is silver 'Smart' or did he know they were going to stuff the ballot anyway?
What a stupid analogy. In your example you are making ONE bet. Nate Silver made 102 separate "bets" over the last two presidential elections, and was correct 101 times. He was making a separate "bet" for every State. Yes, that makes him smart.
And if you have evidence about "stuffing the ballot", please share.
QuoteAnd you fools actually think the American people are so stupid as to have lived in a bubble the last four years?
YES!
Quote from: RightIsRight on November 11, 2012, 06:18:44 PM
Anybody who thought Romney would win is a fool. Not only did Nate Silver give Obama a 90%+ chance of winning, but CNN and the Huffington Post BOTH had Obama WAY ahead in the Electoral College in the weeks leading up to the election.
Only crazy people thought that Romney would win.
Awesome....
Quote from: RightIsRight on November 11, 2012, 06:19:25 PM
Still have no doubt about Romney winning? :laugh: :ttoung: :lol: :thumbsup:
Democrat Voter fraud explains it to my satisfaction. YOU know it happened. You just refuse to internalize what crooks your "side" really is. ANYTHING for a "win."
Quote from: Yawn on November 11, 2012, 07:32:08 PM
Democrat Voter fraud explains it to my satisfaction. YOU know it happened. You just refuse to internalize what crooks your "side" really is. ANYTHING for a "win."
Please share with us all of your "evidence".
But reading your past posts, you made it clear that Romney would win no matter what. You didn't say he would win IF the Democrats didn't engage in "voter fraud".
And Obama won by nearly 3 million votes and 126 Electoral Votes. You really think that more than 3 million of the Democrat votes were "fraudulent"?
Quote from: RightIsRight on November 11, 2012, 08:39:37 PM
And Obama won by nearly 3 million votes and 126 Electoral Votes. You really think that more than 3 million of the Democrat votes were "fraudulent"?
That 3 million votes is less than 3% of the total vote, so, yes it is possible to effect the fraudulent election with just 1% of the vote.
Quote from: a777pilot on November 11, 2012, 11:08:41 PM
That 3 million votes is less than 3% of the total vote, so, yes it is possible to effect the fraudulent election with just 1% of the vote.
Even if that were true, which it is not, there are probably just as many (if not more) people who fraudulently voted Repugnican.
Quote from: RightIsRight on November 11, 2012, 11:38:10 PM
Even if that were true, which it is not, there are probably just as many (if not more) people who fraudulently voted Repugnican.
Repugnican. Really?
Quote from: RightIsRight on November 11, 2012, 06:29:24 PM
What a stupid analogy. In your example you are making ONE bet. Nate Silver made 102 separate "bets" over the last two presidential elections, and was correct 101 times. He was making a separate "bet" for every State. Yes, that makes him smart.
And if you have evidence about "stuffing the ballot", please share.
Wait a minute a fifty fifty chance that one of two people is going to win
is stupid? No wonder your stupid.
Billy
Quote from: RightIsRight on November 11, 2012, 11:38:10 PM
Even if that were true, which it is not, there are probably just as many (if not more) people who fraudulently voted Repugnican.
Well I would rather be a Repugnican than a Democrap
Quote from: Yawn on November 11, 2012, 05:35:26 PM
Good grief! Now he thinks you mine or drill for hydrogen! You create hydrogen, usually by breaking down water. That takes energy--usually in the form of electricity (which would be produced with coal, hydro, oil, or natural gas). Hydrogen is a great way to STORE energy, but it is not used to create it (unless we scoop a bucketful from the sun :laugh:)
And to think he actually wanted to debate me mono a mono. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
Hydrogen requires electricity, a Hell of a lot of electricity.
Math?
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So why is your party/Husein setting road blocks against nuclear plants
We can debate all day about Obama's stance on nuclear power, but I don't support unreasonable restrictions on it.
Quoteand killing coal along with stopping drilling for oil on Fed lands and increasing taxes on all natural fuels, including Ng.?
You do realize that NASA has helped program supercomputers to run complex simulations of the Earth's climate, and has therefore officially stated that climate change is very much real and man made, right?
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And oil is nowhere near running out for at least a millennium, I think we have plenty of time to find a replacement, or technology to make our own.
Please show me the math. Do you have
any idea how long a millennium is?