This is a point that seems to be overlooked by all the pundits and journalists and even lawyers: that quid pro quo is not always illegal and in the case of Trump/Ukraine, it is definitely NOT.

So what if Trump indicated that the Biden thing was important vis a vis Ukraine... so what to everything the Dims brought up..

The USA always does quid pro quo deals when giving aid to another country. Does anyone think we give $$ to other countries for nothing? not hardly. There is always a quid for a quo.

It was totally apropos for Trump to want to clear up corruption in Ukraine. The dims are just ticked because said corruption involved ONE (two) OF THEM.. (Biden and his son)

Typical of dims, it is always about politics

The whole impeachment thing is a farce--a political game at the expense of... who else?

the hapless taxpayers

Post proof Trump asked Ukraine to look into the Bidens or no aid, or retract your lie.

Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
Post proof Trump asked Ukraine to look into the Bidens or no aid, or retract your lie.

I never said anything of the sort. I have read the transcript of July 25 and there is no quid pro quo

My point was that EVEN IF AMERICA BELIEVES THE DIMS (THEY DO VOTE FOR THEM, YOU KNOW)

it's like so the hell what?

Quote from: cynical1 on November 13, 2019, 03:23:05 PM
I never said anything of the sort. I have read the transcript of July 25 and there is no quid pro quo

My point was that EVEN IF AMERICA BELIEVES THE DIMS (THEY DO VOTE FOR THEM, YOU KNOW)

it's like so the hell what?

You agree there is no quid-pro-quo, Trump did nothing wrong, and this is a fake impeachment trial?

Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2019, 03:24:03 PM
You agree there is no quid-pro-quo, Trump did nothing wrong, and this is a fake impeachment trial?

100%

Quote from: taxed on November 13, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
Post proof Trump asked Ukraine to look into the Bidens or no aid, or retract your lie.

He heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who said Trump was messing around.

Trump would not have known the outcome of an investigation so how could it be a bribe if it possibly cleared the Bidens. Joe says they are innocent so Trump would have been doing him a favor.

Quote from: cynical1 on November 13, 2019, 03:27:27 PM
100%

OK. Carry on.............

Quote from: carolina73 on November 13, 2019, 03:27:34 PM
He heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who said Trump was messing around.

Trump would not have known the outcome of an investigation so how could it be a bribe if it possibly cleared the Bidens. Joe says they are innocent so Trump would have been doing him a favor.

excellent point

The dims are, as usual, pandering to the leftist base "out there" in America.

The thing is, I think that base is growing smaller by the day and this impeachment fiasco is helping that process. I mean, elitists dems may be hyper partisan and dishonest and liars and baby killers but that does not mean every day American dems are