QuoteVeteran conservative voice Patrick Buchanan issued a stern warning to the Republican Party on Thursday: Throw your weight behind GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump now — or prepare to lose next year's election to Hillary Clinton.
Buchanan, an adviser to Presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford, told Newsmax TV the freak-out over Trump's proposal to temporarily bar all Muslims from entering the U.S. is misguided and will make the billionaire developer turn independent as his supporters flee the GOP.
And it will open the door to Clinton, the former secretary of state and Democratic presidential front-runner, to waltz into the Oval Office in the 2016 general election.
"Somebody's got to tell the Republican Party, look, everybody's advising you how you get rid of Trump, but you destroy him, you destroy his issues or you deny his issues and arguments, where do you think those people are going to go? They're going to stay home," Buchanan said on "Newsmax Prime" with J.D. Hayworth.
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"I don't care who wins the nomination, but the Bush Republicans, if you will, and the Cruz Republicans and the Trump Republicans and all of them need to be up on that stage together supporting and endorsing that nominee," he said.
"If they do, they've got a good chance to win the election, but a house divided will not win this election in November of 2016."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/pat-buchanan-support-donald-trump-lose/2015/12/10/id/705327/#ixzz3tyCj8Ntd
I agree with Buchanan at least to the point that we all need to shooting each other in the foot! Trump is the front runner and they need to beat him on the issues. These coordinated attacks from the so called leadership in our party to bring down Trump will tear this party apart and weaken us going into the general election. If this works against Trump, Cruz will be their next target!
Buchanan is spot on to what will happen if these types of attacks continue! If the RINO's succeed in nominating one of their cronies the party will split and Hillary will win! A lot of people haven't forgotten how the RINO's took some of the senate seats in the last election and what they are doing now stinks just as bad! Have no doubt that this whole issue was orchestrated by Bush and his supporters. As long as Trump is in Bush has no chance and the RINO knows it! :cursing: :cursing:
Quote from: redbeard on December 10, 2015, 05:25:47 PM
I agree with Buchanan at least to the point that we all need to shooting each other in the foot! Trump is the front runner and they need to beat him on the issues. These coordinated attacks from the so called leadership in our party to bring down Trump will tear this party apart and weaken us going into the general election. If this works against Trump, Cruz will be their next target!
Buchanan is spot on to what will happen if these types of attacks continue! If the RINO's succeed in nominating one of their cronies the party will split and Hillary will win! A lot of people haven't forgotten how the RINO's took some of the senate seats in the last election and what they are doing now stinks just as bad! Have no doubt that this whole issue was orchestrated by Bush and his supporters. As long as Trump is in Bush has no chance and the RINO knows it! :cursing: :cursing:
And this is really a bad thing, why?
Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2015, 05:47:26 PM
And this is really a bad thing, why?
After this election I would love to see a movement to start a real conservative party and purge the RINO's from our ranks but this year is not the time! On the tail of Obama another liberal in the white house will destroy this country! The RINO games we have been watching could split the party and put Hillary in.
This Primary year is just starting and already the slime being thrown is really starting to hurt the whole party. It must stop! Beat Trump on the issues if they can. If they can't beat him with their message then why the Hell do they think they are the ones to beat Hillary if they can't get past Trump?
Cruz knows this. you can tell by the organization he is building. These other A Holes need to put up or shut up. their attacks are starting to hurt the party, if they force Trump to go independent it will kill our chances and tear the party down to where it will be decades to recover! I blame both Bush and Kasich for this!
Quote from: redbeard on December 10, 2015, 06:06:58 PM
After this election I would love to see a movement to start a real conservative party and purge the RINO's from our ranks but this year is not the time! On the tail of Obama another liberal in the white house will destroy this country! The RINO games we have been watching could split the party and put Hillary in.
This Primary year is just starting and already the slime being thrown is really starting to hurt the whole party. It must stop! Beat Trump on the issues if they can. If they can't beat him with their message then why the Hell do they think they are the ones to beat Hillary if they can't get past Trump?
Cruz knows this. you can tell by the organization he is building. These other A Holes need to put up or shut up. their attacks are starting to hurt the party, if they force Trump to go independent it will kill our chances and tear the party down to where it will be decades to recover! I blame both Bush and Kasich for this!
Thing is, what you perceive, is not happening to the Conservative side of the party, on;y damage taking place applies to the Establishment.
In other words, they're shooting themselves in the foot, the more they try and hurt the anti establishment candidates, the more they kill any chance of getting their own reelected.
Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
Thing is, what you perceive, is not happening to the Conservative side of the party, on;y damage taking place applies to the Establishment.
In other words, they're shooting themselves in the foot, the more they try and hurt the anti establishment candidates, the more they kill any chance of getting their own reelected.
When it comes to the general we need the whole party and independents to win! This childish bullshit is hurting our chances by alienating that part of the party. nobody can stay home in November if we are to beat Hillary!
The thing is that Trump is the front runner-legitimately. I certainly prefer Cruz and he is third in most polls. But Trump says that if the Republican establishment does not treat him with respect, he will consider a third party run. So far the Replican establishment is ignoring his front runner status and his opponents are attacking him unmercifully, all except Cruz. I understand Trump's position. I believe that if that person who has the ridiculous name which I always forget--anyway the Chairman of the Republican Party--needs to rein in those attacks which he does nothing about because he wants JEB Bush who cannot win, Hillary Clinton will become our next President. Fair is fair. Trump at this time is the front runner. It might not end up that way but however it ends up, it should be fair and square. Not business as usual. Our future depends on it.
Quote from: redbeard on December 10, 2015, 06:39:52 PM
When it comes to the general we need the whole party and independents to win! This childish bullshit is hurting our chances by alienating that part of the party. nobody can stay home in November if we are to beat Hillary!
Do a search for what you claim, you'll find the ones whining the loudest are the very ones attempting to split the vote, in other words, what you're hearing is Establishment hype.
The GOP'e alienated the base long ago and most recently when they declared us the enemy. And you still think the base is dividing the party?
Can anyone explain exactly how Rince & Repeat Priebus and the Establishment GOP can undermine Trump or Cruz beyond attack ads? I hear rumblings. I know theyd like to takevoutvpretty much anybodyvthat isnt named Jeb. I know these things aren't left just to the voter.
Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2015, 08:57:52 PM
Do a search for what you claim, you'll find the ones whining the loudest are the very ones attempting to split the vote, in other words, what you're hearing is Establishment hype.
The GOP'e alienated the base long ago and most recently when they declared us the enemy. And you still think the base is dividing the party?
Ignore Buchanan, and the desperation he's trying to engender. "Why, Trump's SO far ahead, we MUST back him, and keep that momentum going until he flames out and we're stuck compromising with the likes of a, a...conservative."
The horror, the horror!
Quote from: quiller on December 11, 2015, 03:58:16 AM
Ignore Buchanan, and the desperation he's trying to engender. "Why, Trump's SO far ahead, we MUST back him, and keep that momentum going until he flames out and we're stuck compromising with the likes of a, a...conservative."
The horror, the horror!
I ignore Pat routinely. He's an isolationist who tried to drag the GOP in that direction back-in-the-day. He attempted a 3rd-party run in 2000, where the Dems designing the Florida
general-election ballots got cute and diagonally-joggled the names and check-boxes. Gore-voters actually voted
for Pat as a result. Hence, the chaos and
'the dangling chad' lexicon.
VP Cheney is a much better anti-Trump voice.
Quote from: quiller on December 11, 2015, 03:58:16 AM
Ignore Buchanan, and the desperation he's trying to engender. "Why, Trump's SO far ahead, we MUST back him, and keep that momentum going until he flames out and we're stuck compromising with the likes of a, a...conservative."
The horror, the horror!
Good point, it is Pat after all.
Funny how he puts so much credence in a group so despised by the voting public.
Everything they do at this point is akin to standing inside a house fire and throwing gas on the fire to put it out.
Quote from: carlb on December 11, 2015, 03:40:35 AM
Can anyone explain exactly how Rince & Repeat Priebus and the Establishment GOP can undermine Trump or Cruz beyond attack ads? I hear rumblings. I know theyd like to takevoutvpretty much anybodyvthat isnt named Jeb. I know these things aren't left just to the voter.
Well, the establishment could change the 'rules', could they not? It's been done before.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ben+swann+scripted+republican+convention+youtube&view=detail&mid=4E3D6EC4704EEADE95B44E3D6EC4704EEADE95B4&FORM=VIRE1
Quote from: MACMan on December 11, 2015, 06:05:30 AM
Well, the establishment could change the 'rules', could they not? It's been done before.
Primaries are decided by delegates. Each state has their own rules. Good luck trying to figure out how they work. I've tried to understand CA rules and all I get is more :confused:.
Hillary already has a lot of "super delegates" who have already pledged to vote for her at their convention.
Quote from: Dori on December 11, 2015, 07:06:17 AM
Primaries are decided by delegates. Each state has their own rules. Good luck trying to figure out how they work. I've tried to understand CA rules and all I get is more :confused:.
Hillary already has a lot of "super delegates" who have already pledged to vote for her at their convention.
Yeah, we're a perfect example of Gerrymandering by both party's, only the RINO lost big time playing the game here in Ca.
Quote from: quiller on December 11, 2015, 03:58:16 AM
Ignore Buchanan, and the desperation he's trying to engender. "Why, Trump's SO far ahead, we MUST back him, and keep that momentum going until he flames out and we're stuck compromising with the likes of a, a...conservative."
The horror, the horror!
I ignore Pat Buchanan mostly, and I know he doesn't speak for Conservative Republicans, at least not for me. I believe Trump will flame out before the convention and I sincerely hope that Cruz wins the nomination and I believe he has a good chance to win the general, if nominated. But I think the establishment is hurting itself by treating Trump unfairly and I believe their point is that they want Jeb Bush as the nominee. It appears they will do most anything to achieve that goal. If they succeed, we will have four more years of Obama in the form of Hillary Clinton. Under no circumstances would I vote for Jeb Bush, but if Trump is the nominee, I will vote for him. For years I have felt I have voted for the lesser of two evils. But that is still voting for evil. I don't want to have to do that anymore. I want to be able to vote for Cruz.
What bugs me about this is that Trump (no, I'm not a supporter) signed the stupid RNC pledge to support whomever the eventual Republican nominee may be, and not run a 3rd party campaign!
Now, when it looks like that nominee might actually end up being Trump, the GOP is looking for ways to wiggle out of the deal!
Quote from: carlb on December 11, 2015, 03:40:35 AM
Can anyone explain exactly how Rince & Repeat Priebus and the Establishment GOP can undermine Trump or Cruz beyond attack ads? I hear rumblings. I know theyd like to takevoutvpretty much anybodyvthat isnt named Jeb. I know these things aren't left just to the voter.
One way. A brokered (or as I call it, broken) convention. Where the GOPe simply anoint someone else that they like, as the GOP candidate.
Rather than who we the people (the base) actually approve of, or vote for in the primaries. If that happens, then the GOP will lose. And they should too fwiw.
First of all, if Jeb were in Trump's place there would be no talk about a brokered Convention!!
The GOPe is trying to prepare the voters for their shenanigans by publicly talking about a brokered convention. They will attempt to undermine the conservative leader going into the Convention by getting the super delegates to not support the conservative.
If the leader does not have an overwhelming number of delegates at the end of the primary race, the GOPe will attempt to get delegates to switch their votes at the convention. If no one wins on the first ballot, then all the rules change. Most of the delegates are released from their candidate commitment and the GOPe will attempt to buy their votes.
If you remember at the last Convention John Bohner manipulated the process by calling for an oral vote which was already determined.... as we read on the teleprompter. So, the RINOs are certainly not above manipulating the process to their advantage.
BUT, they are in for a rude awakening if they try to rob this nomination. Voters will bolt and run.
Clearly the GOPe is preparing for what they are beginning to believe is going to happen. Their guy will loose!
Quote from: kroz on December 11, 2015, 11:57:46 AM
First of all, if Jeb were in Trump's place there would be no talk about a brokered Convention!!
The GOPe is trying to prepare the voters for their shenanigans by publicly talking about a brokered convention. They will attempt to undermine the conservative leader going into the Convention by getting the super delegates to not support the conservative.
If the leader does not have an overwhelming number of delegates at the end of the primary race, the GOPe will attempt to get delegates to switch their votes at the convention. If no one wins on the first ballot, then all the rules change. Most of the delegates are released from their candidate commitment and the GOPe will attempt to buy their votes.
If you remember at the last Convention John Bohner manipulated the process by calling for an oral vote which was already determined.... as we read on the teleprompter. So, the RINOs are certainly not above manipulating the process to their advantage.
BUT, they are in for a rude awakening if they try to rob this nomination. Voters will bolt and run.
Clearly the GOPe is preparing for what they are beginning to believe is going to happen. Their guy will loose!
Nailed it Kroz!!! :thumbup:
They are pulling an old proven leftist ploy, where first you float a balloon and see what the response is.
Personally, from all the comments around the web, the GOP'e failed miserably and wound up losing even more credibility, if that is even possible.