Quote from: American on March 03, 2013, 08:51:11 PM
Some people have no interests in facts when they have made up their mind that they hate somebody because the media told them to.

I turned the media off 10 years ago.  No TV and No Paper.   No media BS   

Quote from: American on March 03, 2013, 08:51:11 PM
Some people have no interests in facts when they have made up their mind that they hate somebody because the media told them to.

Yes that's true, and they would vote for Husein no matter what.
Were not not concerned what some moron that takes their marching orders from the leftists, they would never vote for a Conservative anyway.

But be honest, if Palin were to come out swinging and kicking ass on the GOP with her firebrand style of take no prisoners, would you really look for a better candidate?
(I'm not just asking you, that's pointed at everyone)

It's time we stopped allowing the Leftist media select our candidates, especially when they tell you "she hasn't a chance, she damaged goods".
That's not something that originated on the Right, that was a leftist seed planted so you would think that.

Quote from: Solar on March 04, 2013, 04:31:13 AM
Yes that's true, and they would vote for Husein no matter what.
Were not not concerned what some moron that takes their marching orders from the leftists, they would never vote for a Conservative anyway.

But be honest, if Palin were to come out swinging and kicking ass on the GOP with her firebrand style of take no prisoners, would you really look for a better candidate?
(I'm not just asking you, that's pointed at everyone)

It's time we stopped allowing the Leftist media select our candidates, especially when they tell you "she hasn't a chance, she damaged goods".
That's not something that originated on the Right, that was a leftist seed planted so you would think that.

Assuming the leftists and RINOs would somehow let her win the caucus and she made it to the big show, she would have my vote.  I think the caucus is our problem.

Quote from: JustKari on March 04, 2013, 06:14:10 AM
Assuming the leftists and RINOs would somehow let her win the caucus and she made it to the big show, she would have my vote.  I think the caucus is our problem.

Anymore, I would say the whole game is rigged from start to finish, but this last election proved that even the GOP can't out fraud the experts where elections are concerned.

Quote from: Bowhntr on March 03, 2013, 05:33:00 PM
Last time I checked this was America, we have no Church of England, and we have no church trying to take an active role in government.

It's important to remember that pre-revolutionary war colonists were British subjects and so under the jurisdiction of the Church of England.. . So my reply being about the founders and their disdain for a state sanctioned religion stands...

Quote from: Yawn on March 03, 2013, 06:31:03 PM
Did you know that there WERE State Religions at the time? THAT didn't violate the Federal Constitution.

As I noted.. my comments and about the founders and pre-revolutionary pre-Constitution British rule...

Quote from: Crock Hunter on March 04, 2013, 10:18:40 AM
It's important to remember that pre-revolutionary war colonists were British subjects and so under the jurisdiction of the Church of England.. . So my reply being about the founders and their disdain for a state sanctioned religion stands...

I thought we were talking about turning modern day America into a theocracy?  Looks like your liberal argument is falling apart and you are confusing yourself.

Quote from: Bowhntr on March 04, 2013, 11:09:25 AM
I thought we were talking about turning modern day America into a theocracy?

We are.. and I gave you the example that our founders thought having a state religion was a bad idea... We should follow their example today don't you think?

Quote from: Bowhntr on March 04, 2013, 11:09:25 AM
Looks like your liberal argument is falling apart and you are confusing yourself.

That our founders rejected having a state sanctioned religion included in our Constitution is not a "liberal argument" .. it is a historical fact. 

Quote from: Crock Hunter on March 04, 2013, 11:39:01 AM
We are.. and I gave you the example that our founders thought having a state religion was a bad idea... We should follow their example today don't you think?


That our founders rejected having a state sanctioned religion included in our Constitution is not a "liberal argument" .. it is a historical fact.

We are following their example today and you have yet to prove you original statement that somehow we are on the verge of NOT!

Quote from: Solar on March 04, 2013, 04:31:13 AM
But be honest, if Palin were to come out swinging and kicking ass on the GOP with her firebrand style of take no prisoners, would you really look for a better candidate?

The birthers would have a field day.  The case against her being foreign-born is a thousand times better than it ever was for Obama.

Feb 11, 1964
Sarah Palin is born in the Yukon, Canada.

Today we're told that she was born in Idaho, and the family move to Skagway, Alaska three months later. (citation) However...

Mar 27, 1964
The Good Friday Earthquake, the most powerful earthquake in U.S. history at a magnitude of 9.2, strikes South Central Alaska, killing 125 people and inflicting massive damage to the city of Anchorage, Alaska.  Several towns in coastal British Columbia, including Prince Rupert, Tofino, Port Alberni and Zeballos, suffer damage from tsunamis associated with the quake.  Skagway and Juneau are even closer.

Weeks later, when Sarah Palin is 3 months old, her family moves to the middle of this area.

But which is more believable?  That the Palin family decided to move to the middle of this remote disaster area just weeks after it happened?  Or that they had actually moved there months earlier and were caught in the middle of it?  This is important because...

1960s
We now know - from Palin herself - that the Palin family's regular hospital while living in Skagway, was in Canada. (citation)  If she were born while her family lived in Alaska, then she was born in Canada.

2008-2013
Birthers claim that Obama's mother travelled half-way around the world - while about to give birth - in 1961 third-world travel conditions - to have her baby in a third-world country - for some unknown reason - and then travelled back half-way around the world - with a newborn baby - to be back in Hawaii before anyone noticed or recorded that she was gone - and to arrange for a local hospital to give Vital Statistics false information in time for them to put birth announcements in the local papers the same week Obama was born.

And then - for an unknown reason - given that he had American citizenship via an American parent, and a middle-class black kid - or any given kid - wasn't likely to be elected President - had a false birth certificate somehow put into government records.

Compare the credibility of this to a similar claim for Sarah Palin:  Her family moved to Alaska several months earlier than they claim - BEFORE the quake, rather than knowingly moving into the disaster zone.

No trips around the world and into Africa while pregnant and back with a newborn are required.  There's no forged birth certificate required - because she hasn't shown any birth certificate.  Nor have government officials verified its authenticity for the public - so there's no false government records required.

Nor have we seen birth announcements in the local papers, so there's no 49 year old conspiracy required.  A quick Google search reveals the Bonner County Daily Bee to be the local newspaper in Sandpoint (http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/) and a search of their archives shows no birth announcement for Sarah Heath (Palin's maiden name).

Her college records are sealed.  (citation)  Some might wonder what she's hiding.  Especially since...

1988
Sarah marries Todd Palin.  Todd Palin's family came from Canada.  (citation)

He was also registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party from 1995 to 2002.  Soon, Sarah Palin joined too.  (citation)  This is an organization that wants to withdraw Alaska from the Union to be an "independent" country.  Opening the door for it to join Canada.

2006
Agent Palin is elected governor of Alaska.  Canada is trying a different strategy regarding Alaska...

August 2008
Palin is selected as John McCain's running mate.

A constant barrage Obama birther claims keep the press misdirected.  They also ensure that anyone looking into Palin's birthplace is painted as a similar wingnut.

Palin's selection is a move that has been widely regarded as a mistake.  But were Palin's antics real, or calculated to do harm?

There were hints of the latter:  She constantly wore RED - a CANADIAN color.  She sounds a lot more like a Canadian than Obama sounds like a Kenyan.  If anything she talks like a character from Strange Brew, Bob McKenzie.

And then...

August 2008
Palin signs a bill authorizing the State of Alaska to award TransCanada Pipelines — the sole bidder to meet the state's requirements — a license to build and operate a pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Continental United States through Canada. The governor also pledged $500 million in seed money to support the project

Even if it helps make America energy self-sufficient, it's still dependant on a Canadian pipeline.  Canadians are thankful for Agent Palin.

Her mission accomplished, Palin soon resigns her job as governor.

2012
Palin endorses Ted Cruz's senate run.  Ted Cruz was born in Canada.

The pattern continues, the more you look.

Here we go again...looks like another from BDF has shown up.  You'd be better off to slink on back and stay in your sand box over there rwrong.....You're in the big leagues over here. 

Solar, you, taxed, and a few others are gonna have a ball with this idiot.

Quote from: rstrong on March 05, 2013, 12:16:39 PM
The birthers would have a field day.  The case against her being foreign-born is a thousand times better than it ever was for Obama.

Feb 11, 1964
Sarah Palin is born in the Yukon, Canada.

Today we're told that she was born in Idaho, and the family move to Skagway, Alaska three months later. (citation) However...

Mar 27, 1964
The Good Friday Earthquake, the most powerful earthquake in U.S. history at a magnitude of 9.2, strikes South Central Alaska, killing 125 people and inflicting massive damage to the city of Anchorage, Alaska.  Several towns in coastal British Columbia, including Prince Rupert, Tofino, Port Alberni and Zeballos, suffer damage from tsunamis associated with the quake.  Skagway and Juneau are even closer.

Weeks later, when Sarah Palin is 3 months old, her family moves to the middle of this area.

But which is more believable?  That the Palin family decided to move to the middle of this remote disaster area just weeks after it happened?  Or that they had actually moved there months earlier and were caught in the middle of it?  This is important because...

1960s
We now know - from Palin herself - that the Palin family's regular hospital while living in Skagway, was in Canada. (citation)  If she were born while her family lived in Alaska, then she was born in Canada.

2008-2013
Birthers claim that Obama's mother travelled half-way around the world - while about to give birth - in 1961 third-world travel conditions - to have her baby in a third-world country - for some unknown reason - and then travelled back half-way around the world - with a newborn baby - to be back in Hawaii before anyone noticed or recorded that she was gone - and to arrange for a local hospital to give Vital Statistics false information in time for them to put birth announcements in the local papers the same week Obama was born.

And then - for an unknown reason - given that he had American citizenship via an American parent, and a middle-class black kid - or any given kid - wasn't likely to be elected President - had a false birth certificate somehow put into government records.

Compare the credibility of this to a similar claim for Sarah Palin:  Her family moved to Alaska several months earlier than they claim - BEFORE the quake, rather than knowingly moving into the disaster zone.

No trips around the world and into Africa while pregnant and back with a newborn are required.  There's no forged birth certificate required - because she hasn't shown any birth certificate.  Nor have government officials verified its authenticity for the public - so there's no false government records required.

Nor have we seen birth announcements in the local papers, so there's no 49 year old conspiracy required.  A quick Google search reveals the Bonner County Daily Bee to be the local newspaper in Sandpoint (http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/) and a search of their archives shows no birth announcement for Sarah Heath (Palin's maiden name).

Her college records are sealed.  (citation)  Some might wonder what she's hiding.  Especially since...

1988
Sarah marries Todd Palin.  Todd Palin's family came from Canada.  (citation)

He was also registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party from 1995 to 2002.  Soon, Sarah Palin joined too.  (citation)  This is an organization that wants to withdraw Alaska from the Union to be an "independent" country.  Opening the door for it to join Canada.

2006
Agent Palin is elected governor of Alaska.  Canada is trying a different strategy regarding Alaska...

August 2008
Palin is selected as John McCain's running mate.

A constant barrage Obama birther claims keep the press misdirected.  They also ensure that anyone looking into Palin's birthplace is painted as a similar wingnut.

Palin's selection is a move that has been widely regarded as a mistake.  But were Palin's antics real, or calculated to do harm?

There were hints of the latter:  She constantly wore RED - a CANADIAN color.  She sounds a lot more like a Canadian than Obama sounds like a Kenyan.  If anything she talks like a character from Strange Brew, Bob McKenzie.

And then...

August 2008
Palin signs a bill authorizing the State of Alaska to award TransCanada Pipelines — the sole bidder to meet the state's requirements — a license to build and operate a pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Continental United States through Canada. The governor also pledged $500 million in seed money to support the project

Even if it helps make America energy self-sufficient, it's still dependant on a Canadian pipeline.  Canadians are thankful for Agent Palin.

Her mission accomplished, Palin soon resigns her job as governor.

2012
Palin endorses Ted Cruz's senate run.  Ted Cruz was born in Canada.

The pattern continues, the more you look.

Quote from: Bowhntr on March 05, 2013, 12:20:38 PM
Here we go again...looks like another from BDF has shown up.  You'd be better off to slink on back and stay in your sand box over there rwrong.....You're in the big leagues over here. 

Strange.. I'm here just to set the record straight.. . the facts that I post and link shouldn't be grounds for a ban.. ..  If your argument can't stand examination ..what does that say about your ability to reason other than it is sorely lacking..

If you don't allow for debate ..you don't deserve to call yourself a forum . . .

Quote from: Crock Hunter on March 05, 2013, 12:32:45 PM
Strange.. I'm here just to set the record straight.. . the facts that I post and link shouldn't be grounds for a ban.. ..  If your argument can't stand examination ..what does that say about your ability to reason other than it is sorely lacking..

If you don't allow for debate ..you don't deserve to call yourself a forum . . .

So are you asking to be banned? Either stick to the thread topic, or take a hike, or I'll show you the door.

Quote from: Crock Hunter on March 04, 2013, 11:39:01 AM
We are.. and I gave you the example that our founders thought having a state religion was a bad idea... We should follow their example today don't you think?


That our founders rejected having a state sanctioned religion included in our Constitution is not a "liberal argument" .. it is a historical fact.

The founders made sure that there would not be a state established religion.  Though there is NO
constitutional "seperation", only that the state would not have an official religion.

But in quote after quote and document after document, they made it clear that the country was founded on Judeo-Christian values, and the country and constitution would not survive an abandonement of the values that support the concepts of individual worth, liberty, and independence.

Once you let everyone define their own code of ethics (or lack thereof), there is no decency left to support equality, liberty, and freedom.

The US was designed, and the constiitution was created, to avoid both the state religion of England, and the too-powerful government of England....and all of the failed states before that, due to both of these issues.