He more or less explained it by saying "this country is in terrible danger" meaning that's what hanging it upside down mean't.     

Quote from: carlb on July 26, 2014, 04:29:26 AM
He's NOT an idiot! It's Cloward & Pivin executed flawlessly. Overwhelm the system to BRING IT DOWN.

I get a little irritated every time one of us attribute it to a "bumbling" president.  If WE don't understand him, how can we expect to educate the worshiping masses?

Well you may be correct in that issue. I have a habit of labeling anyone who fks things up royally as "an idiot". He maybe a genius for all we know but somehow I doubt it, to me he is an incompetant thug whose brain was dulled by the drugs he admitted to using during his youth and blinded by his hatred for all things white, American and conservative. He happens to be following a sinister agenda worked out not by him but by a network of shadowy figures who plotted our countries downfall decades ago. He is made out to be something he is not by the propaganda of an in collusion media and spin doctor sycophants in the new Marxist party otherwise known as Democrats.

Just a word to all you good folks who are angry (as you should be) with our nation, our flag and treatment of our Vets.

Remember something folks. Vets have been getting treated like crap for a long time, as a veteran of the Vietnam war, I can attest to that personally. My fellow GI's were rebuked, cursed, spit upon and belittled by lots of Americans when we came home. I had my issues with the "country" when I returned, and that include many of the people in it who held me and my fellow soldiers in contempt for fighting in the vietnam war, I hold at fault people like Ayers and the COUNTERCULTURE, ie THE MARXISTS for starting this crap. But us Viet Vets refused to lay down and take it. We came back, started new lives, started familes, built homes, went to work and became good citizens despite the assholery.

These counterculture types  have always hated America, the true America and they have hated the Constitution and the either stupid or brave men and women who defend it. They burned the symbol of our nation, THE FLAG...THATS WHY I FLY IT....ON MY LAND, ON MY CLOTHING AND ON MY VEHICLES....THEN AND NOW, its an in your face kiss my Shanty Irish ass challenge to anyone who Govt or non who would seek to BURN my personal flag or prevent me from flying it.

But one thing I can say, I LOVE THIS COUNTRY always have always will. BUT I HATE THE GOVT, I hate it more and more each day, I now consider the Obamao adminstration my direct enemies.

And I'm ashamed of the treatment our soldiers have received in the past and are receiving now, but don't sell our Vets short, they'll get through it, men who have been through hell
don't wimp out. And if it ever comes to storming the barricades to sort out this mess
guess who is gonna be in the forefront leading the charge.....a Vet!

Now a Vet has the right to fly his flag anyway he wants or not fly it and while I may not agree with some of the things I have read here, I support their right to do as they please...they (you) have earned it.

I'm a Vietnam vet also, and that vet has the absolute right to announce he believes this nation is in trouble.

We are. Obama's in charge.

Quote from: quiller on July 27, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
I'm a Vietnam vet also, and that vet has the absolute right to announce he believes this nation is in trouble.

We are. Obama's in charge.

Thanx Quiller.  We live in a neighborhood that is somewhat liberal.  Some do not even know anything about our border mess!  Out of 7 families represented here only two have served in the armed forces.  Only two families identify themselves as conservative but all fly the American Flag.   

My "sheriff" is a fantastic neighbor and will accomodate anyone in need here.  He does realize an "attitude" of indifference where we live.  His statement of the flag
was mean't to be a reflection of the state of our country.  If anyone took notice here, they didn't say anything.  We didn't expect them to.

Quote from: keyboarder on July 28, 2014, 09:11:18 AM
Thanx Quiller.  We live in a neighborhood that is somewhat liberal.  Some do not even know anything about our border mess!  Out of 7 families represented here only two have served in the armed forces.  Only two families identify themselves as conservative but all fly the American Flag.   

My "sheriff" is a fantastic neighbor and will accomodate anyone in need here.  He does realize an "attitude" of indifference where we live.  His statement of the flag
was mean't to be a reflection of the state of our country.  If anyone took notice here, they didn't say anything.  We didn't expect them to.

A liberal neighborhood in Spartanburg County?

Quote from: TboneAgain on July 27, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
I agree. We are in terrible danger, actually have already been damaged in ways that won't become apparent for years or decades. But I can't agree with your husband's actions. Taking the flag down would have been fine. Flying it upside-down is something else altogether.

The flag upside down DOES NOT MEAN THIS NATION IS IN DANGER folks. It means that POST is in serious mortal trouble.

Big difference between what some "think" that means and what it actually means.

As for taking the flag down, eh fly it or don't fly it, that's his right.

But IF he's going too, then please do so with the proper respect and care for, the colors.

Quote from: daidalos on July 28, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
The flag upside down DOES NOT MEAN THIS NATION IS IN DANGER folks. It means that POST is in serious mortal trouble.

What POST...? You mean the vet who ran that flag up, upside-down?

Bring it. Just freaking BRING it.

Quote from: DaisyJane on July 25, 2014, 04:29:33 PM
I am all out of compassion for people entering this country against the law.  I don't care if they are 2 or 42.  They are not our responsibility. 

Human life is still human life; it's pretty cold to turn away 2 year olds because they are not your "responsibility".

We cannot help if our resources are drained.  [/quote]

"cannot", or "don't want to"?  Have you crunched the numbers, or are you just making assumptions here?

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Sorry, the "for the children" argument is all out of steam for me.  I had to take care of my own.  I had to do WHATEVER was required of me to raise my own child.  It included going back to work as a nurse when my daughter was 7 weeks old, with no sleep.  I then changed to 12 hour (often stretching to 14 1/2 hours) shifts all weekend.  If my daughter didn't nap, neither did I before a 12 hour night shift.  I got out when my work was complete and not a minute sooner.  I did this for YEARS.

And if you had been killed, and your daughter for whatever reason had to flee to Canada, would you have wanted the border patrol to turn her back, because she's "not their responsibility"?

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I went to school to become a nurse and worked my butt off to learn, graduate, and get a license.  No one gave it to me.  I worked while I was IN SCHOOL.  I raised a child with an autistic disorder with no handouts.  My "extra" money went toward medical bills to get her help.

So why not give children the opportunity to work their butts off in school?  Because they were by random chance born into a shitty country?  You realize that the reason why nobody wants to live in Mexico is that the opportunities you alluded to don't exist there?

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I am not trying to make MYSELF the issue here.  It is but ONE illustration of what most of us have had to do not to be poor, etc.  I don't want to support other children that I didn't produce.  I made sure I just had one child - it was planned. 

To call this selfish would be quite the understatement.  The disturbing part is, you and your daughter obviously benefitted from having the opportunity to accomplish your dreams through hard work, but you seem to have no desire to grant to children the same opportunities that made your story possible, because they, by random chance, were born into another country. 

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We work hard, play by the rules, and then are told we are BAD people.

Who's told you that you are a bad person?

QuoteI have been generous to charity of my own free will.  I have taken care of sick people of all stripes without prejudice. 

But, now I feel no compassion, nothing but anger.

So you're more than happy to give your money to charity, and to take care of sick people, but as soon as those sick people are from another country, they can fuck themselves?   

Support your own people, first, foremost, and forever. The rest can fend for themselves.

Quote from: quiller on July 28, 2014, 08:39:33 PM
Support your own people, first, foremost, and forever. The rest can fend for themselves.

You support this on what logic exactly?

QuoteGovernment is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. -- George Washington

Like fire - it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master. ----George Washington.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:55:42 PM
You support this on what logic exactly?

And you support what --- supporting everyone BUT us, on our money? Who should benefit, us or illegals?

Quote from: mdgiles on July 29, 2014, 05:07:13 AM
Like fire - it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master. ----George Washington.

I can quote dead famous guys too!

"It is demonstratively clear that on this Estate I have more working Negroes by a full [half] than can be employed to any advantage in the farming system."

^guess who said that?

Quote from: quiller on July 29, 2014, 06:21:11 AM
And you support what --- supporting everyone BUT us, on our money? Who should benefit, us or illegals?

Nice black and white fallacy, thinking that supporting these kids somehow means we don't support ourselves.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
I can quote dead famous guys too!

"It is demonstratively clear that on this Estate I have more working Negroes by a full [half] than can be employed to any advantage in the farming system."

^guess who said that?

Nice black and white fallacy, thinking that supporting these kids somehow means we don't support ourselves.

Actually it is a black and white situation. When these people come here can they support themselves or do they end up receiving government assistance? Do they have criminal records? Are they dangerous? Are they carrying any diseases?