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I am feeling no compassion, and nothing but ANGER at the illegal immigration situation.

I am all out of compassion for people entering this country against the law.  I don't care if they are 2 or 42.  They are not our responsibility.  We cannot help if our resources are drained. 

Sorry, the "for the children" argument is all out of steam for me.  I had to take care of my own.  I had to do WHATEVER was required of me to raise my own child.  It included going back to work as a nurse when my daughter was 7 weeks old, with no sleep.  I then changed to 12 hour (often stretching to 14 1/2 hours) shifts all weekend.  If my daughter didn't nap, neither did I before a 12 hour night shift.  I got out when my work was complete and not a minute sooner.  I did this for YEARS. 

I went to school to become a nurse and worked my butt off to learn, graduate, and get a license.  No one gave it to me.  I worked while I was IN SCHOOL.  I raised a child with an autistic disorder with no handouts.  My "extra" money went toward medical bills to get her help.

I am not trying to make MYSELF the issue here.  It is but ONE illustration of what most of us have had to do not to be poor, etc.  I don't want to support other children that I didn't produce.  I made sure I just had one child - it was planned. 

We work hard, play by the rules, and then are told we are BAD people.  I have been generous to charity of my own free will.  I have taken care of sick people of all stripes without prejudice. 

But, now I feel no compassion, nothing but anger.

DaisyJane      :huh:

Quote from: DaisyJane on July 25, 2014, 04:29:33 PM
I am feeling no compassion, and nothing but ANGER at the illegal immigration situation.

I am all out of compassion for people entering this country against the law.  I don't care if they are 2 or 42.  They are not our responsibility.  We cannot help if our resources are drained. 

Sorry, the "for the children" argument is all out of steam for me.  I had to take care of my own.  I had to do WHATEVER was required of me to raise my own child.  It included going back to work as a nurse when my daughter was 7 weeks old, with no sleep.  I then changed to 12 hour (often stretching to 14 1/2 hours) shifts all weekend.  If my daughter didn't nap, neither did I before a 12 hour night shift.  I got out when my work was complete and not a minute sooner.  I did this for YEARS. 

I went to school to become a nurse and worked my butt off to learn, graduate, and get a license.  No one gave it to me.  I worked while I was IN SCHOOL.  I raised a child with an autistic disorder with no handouts.  My "extra" money went toward medical bills to get her help.

I am not trying to make MYSELF the issue here.  It is but ONE illustration of what most of us have had to do not to be poor, etc.  I don't want to support other children that I didn't produce.  I made sure I just had one child - it was planned. 

We work hard, play by the rules, and then are told we are BAD people.  I have been generous to charity of my own free will.  I have taken care of sick people of all stripes without prejudice. 

But, now I feel no compassion, nothing but anger.

DaisyJane      :huh:

Most of us have similar  stories, mine would make you cry.

The children are, as I have heard some say, the liberals "Trojan Horse".  They are being used to draw compassion.  We cannot serve every person, child, from every country that doesn't take care of its people.  We are at the same place here if they would but open their eyes.

Can you imagine the chaos when these children try to enter our schools?  I have been a sub in some of our local elementary schools and one of our largest high schools since I retired off my job.  My first job of sub was at a local ele. and it was my misfortune to have to be an aide to a k4-5 teacher.  She had upwards of 27 children in that class and all were latino except one black child and one white child.  None of the latino children could speak English.  I asked the teacher how we were supposed to deal with them when I found out she didn't speak their language.  Her answer was, "they are learning from the other (2) students in the class pretty fast".  All the children in that class was an overflow from a school that was closing and they had to put them somewhere until the new school got built the next year. 

Youv'e got every right to be angry, just put that anger to good use and do what you can to encourage others that might feel the same way. 

Did you happen to get to see the movie "America"?  I think every American ought to see this movie.  I saw it today with my "sheriff" and we both thought it right on point to the trouble we are having today from an onslaught of progressiveness.  There might even be some info in it that you might not have heard.  It will make you want to fight for our country!

Yes, the school system is going to be a mess.

I have lived in the same town since 1986.  Now they are asking for ARABIC speaking people for the school system.  It makes me sick.

I have heard parents speaking to little children in stores in Spanish.  There is no excuse for this.  I have said "speak English" to them!

They are literally killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.  And politicians sit back and watch it happen.

DaisyJane     :huh:

God Bless all nurses, they really are special people.

Daisey I've known many nurses in my profession as a career Police officer/detective and I think after a time both become hardened to the suffering of others probably as a defense mechanism.

But in this case I agree with you 100% our compassion is being used against us...these children will turn on us in a few years or a few months, the cartels are planting them here.

Most of these are not "good" people. We are importing criminals and takers and Obama KNOWS what he's doing.

But even if these are good Hondurans, they are NOT Americans and we have no responsibility to take them in. They belong in their own countries.

I Agree with Pat Buchanan. It's long past time to seal the damn border for a generation until those here are fully Amaricanized and if not, until that generation passes away as aliens in our land. As long as we don't respect our own culture and borders, it's naive to think these invaders will either.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 25, 2014, 05:19:23 PM
God Bless all nurses, they really are special people.

Daisey I've known many nurses in my profession as a career Police officer/detective and I think after a time both become hardened to the suffering of others probably as a defense mechanism.

But in this case I agree with you 100% our compassion is being used against us...these children will turn on us in a few years or a few months, the cartels are planting them here.

If, as you say, the cartels are planting them here, what is their goal by so doing? It is clear that Democrats are inviting and keeping them here, and I think we already know what they have in mind.

Quote from: TboneAgain on July 25, 2014, 06:04:45 PM
If, as you say, the cartels are planting them here, what is their goal by so doing? It is clear that Democrats are inviting and keeping them here, and I think we already know what they have in mind.

The cartels wish to expand their narcoterrorist network deeper into American cities and exercise greater control.  Drugs, prostitution, loansharking, extortion, scams, racketts etc. With drugs being legalized in some states they will soon monopolize that industry "legitimately", undercutting or muscleing out AMERICAN GROWERS/ENTRPENUERS.

I also predict that with the ever increasing amount of Mexican laborers they will expand to control the unions thereby controlling elections.

Don't forget, the cartels "own" these people who have to pay or work off their debt to their overlords for the privledge of being smuggled into the "land of the free".

The idiot Obamanistas are facilitating their network by redistributing them in various states and cities.

Its a worst case scenario...beleive me.

Without borders, we have no country.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 25, 2014, 07:53:48 PM
The cartels wish to expand their narcoterrorist network deeper into American cities and exercise greater control.  Drugs, prostitution, loansharking, extortion, scams, racketts etc. With drugs being legalized in some states they will soon monopolize that industry "legitimately", undercutting or muscleing out AMERICAN GROWERS/ENTRPENUERS.

I also predict that with the ever increasing amount of Mexican laborers they will expand to control the unions thereby controlling elections.

Don't forget, the cartels "own" these people who have to pay or work off their debt to their overlords for the privledge of being smuggled into the "land of the free".

The idiot Obamanistas are facilitating their network by redistributing them in various states and cities.

Its a worst case scenario...beleive me.

Excellent synopsis, and I believe you nailed it.
What better way to destroy America, than from within it's heart?

I'm not sure what I feel. I am distressed that there are thousands of people, mostly kids crammed into disease riddled rooms. But I have no control over it. I didn't do it. This is the doing of the Democrat party. Once again they have destroyed one of their policies. They destroyed any support there was for alternative energy  by wasting billions on already dying green energy companies. They set back their dream of a single payer healthcare system by decades with Obamacare and all the lies and deception that went with it. Labor was decimated by they their tantrums in Colorado. So Card Check is DOA. All the tricks in the progressive bag of economics have led to the longest recovery this side of the second world war and the lowest labor participation rate since Jimmy was rocking the cardigan in the Oval Office.

And now immigration.

The storyline was thousands of poor people wanting to access the American dream and the evil racist Conservatives wouldn't let them. Now it is tens of thousands of people herded into rooms and the dropped off in unsuspecting towns by our President.

There is no major issue that the Democrat party is on the same side as the voters. They are no longer a major party because they no longer represent any major issues. They are now the party of gay rights and free contraception. Illegal immigration and a higher minimum wage. Small beer.

I hope Obama grants amnesty, I want him to because it takes a distraction off the table so we can focus on the real issues. I want the people to see the democrats and Obama as they really are. And they are doing a great job.

It only gets worse!  :cursing:

Now the Destroyer plans to send planes dow there to PICK UP these gang members and BRING THEM HERE!

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QuoteObama: Coyote-in-Chief

RUSH: I should have seen it.  It was right in front of my face and you know why it didn't occur to me?  It's because it's so outrageous.  President Barack Obama, it is said, is considering the idea of granting refugee status to the children of Honduras.  Now, that I predicted.  That's not what I missed.  We all knew that was coming.  I mean, ever since we began hearing the term "migrant" and "refugees," as opposed to illegal alien, illegal immigrant.  We knew that was coming.

What I didn't foresee, Obama is going to send US officials to Honduras and okay them as refugees and then use taxpayer dollars to fly them to America so they don't have to catch the death train and go through Mexico.  We're gonna cut out the middleman.  We're gonna cut out the coyotes.  We're just gonna bring them here as refugees.  We are going to facilitate.  We're actually going to provide the transportation mechanism for what are illegal immigrants to cross the border.  It's going to be done with an executive order.  There's no way any of it can be stopped.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/07/25/barack_obama_coyote_in_chief (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/07/25/barack_obama_coyote_in_chief)

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 25, 2014, 07:53:48 PM
The cartels wish to expand their narcoterrorist network deeper into American cities and exercise greater control.  Drugs, prostitution, loansharking, extortion, scams, racketts etc. With drugs being legalized in some states they will soon monopolize that industry "legitimately", undercutting or muscleing out AMERICAN GROWERS/ENTRPENUERS.

I also predict that with the ever increasing amount of Mexican laborers they will expand to control the unions thereby controlling elections.

Don't forget, the cartels "own" these people who have to pay or work off their debt to their overlords for the privledge of being smuggled into the "land of the free".

The idiot Obamanistas are facilitating their network by redistributing them in various states and cities.

Its a worst case scenario...beleive me.

He's NOT an idiot! It's Cloward & Pivin executed flawlessly. Overwhelm the system to BRING IT DOWN.

I get a little irritated every time one of us attribute it to a "bumbling" president.  If WE don't understand him, how can we expect to educate the worshiping masses?

Quote from: carlb on July 26, 2014, 04:29:26 AM
He's NOT an idiot! It's Cloward & Pivin executed flawlessly. Overwhelm the system to BRING IT DOWN.

I get a little irritated every time one of us attribute it to a "bumbling" president.  If WE don't understand him, how can we expect to educate the worshiping masses?

He is an idiot.  He has no idea what he's doing.  He's just knows it hurts the US and is up for anything.  He is a really, really, really, dumb person.

Quote from: taxed on July 26, 2014, 04:52:44 AM
He is an idiot.  He has not idea what he's doing.  He's just knows it hurts the US and is up for anything.  He is a really, really, really, dumb person.

Most likely mad at the parents that brought him into this world.  To have followed on the coattails of known terrorists and evil men (some with alot of money) suggests to me that he has got a spite out for himself and everyone around him.
He is filled with rage towards alot of things.  To me, he is like a person with no country.  His parents were of mixed origin and from culturally different backgrounds leaving him at the mercy of an unforgiving world in such matters.  He had several strikes against him and he took the low road of feeling sorry for himself.  Who cares?  To say that he knows what he is doing isn't quite accurate.  To say that he got on a roller coaster that's eventually gotta wreck with him on it would be more to the point.

Quote from: CG6468 on July 25, 2014, 08:09:25 PM
Without borders, we have no country.

And we should have just as much compassion as we have money and space for.

Try it with your own family's finances.  Choose to tithe either 100 bucks per month, or 10,000.  See what happens as a result of either.  Offer to let one person stay at your house, or 20.

Liberals are way too stupid to assess it like this, as adults.

Why are these countries problems any business of the US. We have sent them aide. We have removed corrupt regimes from power. And yet they sink back into the crap fests they were before. Screw them, go/stay home and straighten up your own countries. This country has it's own poor, black white and Native American, and they are being shoved off the rungs of the socio-economic ladder, by aliens who have just come here - not to assimilate - but to loot.

Quote from: carlb on July 26, 2014, 04:29:26 AM
He's NOT an idiot! It's Cloward & Pivin executed flawlessly. Overwhelm the system to BRING IT DOWN.

I get a little irritated every time one of us attribute it to a "bumbling" president.  If WE don't understand him, how can we expect to educate the worshiping masses?

You give him way too much credit.
In reality, he's nothing but a puppet to a secretive class of communists.
Though he is still smarter than Biden, because biden would probably get drunk and spill the beans, the man can't keep his mouth shut.

Here's an excellent question. When they had this summit with the Central American Presidents, why in the hell wasn't MEXICO included? It's not as if they levitated to our borders. They were allowed to travel through Mexico. Weren't any questions asked about how and why this happened?

Mexico is considered part of North America.  I know, not an answer.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 26, 2014, 05:50:08 AM
Why are these countries problems any business of the US. We have sent them aide. We have removed corrupt regimes from power. And yet they sink back into the crap fests they were before. Screw them, go/stay home and straighten up your own countries. This country has it's own poor, black white and Native American, and they are being shoved off the rungs of the socio-economic ladder, by aliens who have just come here - not to assimilate - but to loot.

You speak the truth too.

When america was settled, it became something of benefit of all who were here.  The Indians didn't really want to share.  They had hunting and fishing skills and could subsist off things no human should have to.  Enter the pilgrims.  along came crop planting, weaving looms, spinning wheels and any assortment of things to make life more bearable.  All the indians had to do was partake and share.  There were good and bad folks on each side but it came down to greed on the side of both. 

Things just about got settled down and here comes the folks from other countries that were oppressed in one way or another and needing freedom.  So the doors were opened again.  Soon after the doors had to be shut to show immigrants that  what they were after would come with a price, usually dedicating themselves to an established way of life but still free.  Again, good and bad on both sides then.

With the borders of America thought to be secure, here comes another bunch to this evil, capitalistic country.  They want to be slaves like the liberals accuse us of doing to everyone.  (tongue in cheek on this one).

Like Giles and many others say, go home and clean up the mess you've help make out of your own country.  We don't need interference here in keeping this place from becomming what you left. 

This is one family that will not tolerate intrusion on their property.  We will not go looking for trouble but if it shows its ugly head, we are more than ready to do what is necessary to keep it away. 

Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 06:49:13 AM
You give him way too much credit.
In reality, he's nothing but a puppet to a secretive class of communists.
Though he is still smarter than Biden, because biden would probably get drunk and spill the beans, the man can't keep his mouth shut.

Okay, we'll pretend that he's just bumbling his way to achieving ALL of his goals for the collapse and FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION of America.  I thought YOU were one of the few who understood that he knows exactly what he's doing.

America and the American people need to come first.  No NAU, No SPP, No Amnesty, No Illegal Immigration.

What people don't realize and very rarely makes the MSM news is the number of legal American citizens who fall victims to the hands of illegals.  Please take a moment to look at the stats posted by the Constitution Party --- they are staggering:

http://cpwp.swehes.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/ (http://cpwp.swehes.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/)

Quote from: mdgiles on July 26, 2014, 05:50:08 AM
Why are these countries problems any business of the US. We have sent them aide. We have removed corrupt regimes from power. And yet they sink back into the crap fests they were before. Screw them, go/stay home and straighten up your own countries. This country has it's own poor, black white and Native American, and they are being shoved off the rungs of the socio-economic ladder, by aliens who have just come here - not to assimilate - but to loot.

You got it! We have given aid to these countries and nothing changes. I do not want to become an isolationist, but enough is enough. We, as a country, is approaching $18T in debt. If we keep giving, they will keep taking. If we quit giving, they will find a way to improve. It is like spoiling kids.

Quote from: suzziY on July 26, 2014, 12:22:06 PM
America and the American people need to come first.  No NAU, No SPP, No Amnesty, No Illegal Immigration.

What people don't realize and very rarely makes the MSM news is the number of legal American citizens who fall victims to the hands of illegals.  Please take a moment to look at the stats posted by the Constitution Party --- they are staggering:

http://cpwp.swehes.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/ (http://cpwp.swehes.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/)

Yes, and we need to place responsibility for each and every one of these AMERICAN victims at the feet of the Democrat Party.  Murders, rapes, assaults, ALL needless if the Party in power cared more about the LAW than acquiring votes.

Quote from: carlb on July 26, 2014, 12:06:38 PM
Okay, we'll pretend that he's just bumbling his way to achieving ALL of his goals for the collapse and FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION of America.  I thought YOU were one of the few who understood that he knows exactly what he's doing.

My point was, he's not the brains behind these decisions, though he agrees in their entirety, Jarrett is one step above Hussein the puppet, and God only knows whose pulling her strings.
Yes, Hussein is an incompetent, he could never have put this plan in action on his own.

As I said before.
Obama invited this invasion with his "Dreamer" horseshit. And remember when Honduras ousted their Socialist Presidential pal of Hugo Chavez for trying to change the Constitutional Pres. term limits, the Military with the consent of their Supreme court deported his sorry ass in his pajamas. Obama went goofy and condemned the action, Honduras has had problems ever sense!!

By the way, some of the posts have a very strange idea of pre-columbian history. The Americans had a population of 1/4-1/3 of the world, they managed the continents like huge "orchard gardens, with herds of Elk, buffalo, deer and turkey. They domesticated more edible and medicinal plants than all the other cultures of the world combined!!

Columbus came along and within 100 years 90% of all the population of "America" were dead.  :angry:

I highly recommend all to read "1491" by Charles Mann.   :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Quote from: Ek Ehecatl on July 26, 2014, 01:01:13 PM

By the way, some of the posts have a very strange idea of pre-columbian history. The Americans had a population of 1/4-1/3 of the world, they managed the continents like huge "orchard gardens, with herds of Elk, buffalo, deer and turkey. They domesticated more edible and medicinal plants than all the other cultures of the world combined!!

Columbus came along and within 100 years 90% of all the population of "America" were dead.  :angry:

With their slayings, document burning, and diseases for which the natives had no resistance, the damned Spaniards almost killed everyone on two continents.

Quote from: keyboarder on July 26, 2014, 05:10:32 AM
Most likely mad at the parents that brought him into this world.  To have followed on the coattails of known terrorists and evil men (some with alot of money) suggests to me that he has got a spite out for himself and everyone around him.
He is filled with rage towards alot of things.  To me, he is like a person with no country.  His parents were of mixed origin and from culturally different backgrounds leaving him at the mercy of an unforgiving world in such matters.  He had several strikes against him and he took the low road of feeling sorry for himself.  Who cares?  To say that he knows what he is doing isn't quite accurate.  To say that he got on a roller coaster that's eventually gotta wreck with him on it would be more to the point.

I think you are correct in the psychoanalysis.  I have long felt his hatred was toward himself and what he was.

DaisyJane     :huh:

Quote from: mdgiles on July 26, 2014, 05:50:08 AM
Why are these countries problems any business of the US. We have sent them aide. We have removed corrupt regimes from power. And yet they sink back into the crap fests they were before. Screw them, go/stay home and straighten up your own countries. This country has it's own poor, black white and Native American, and they are being shoved off the rungs of the socio-economic ladder, by aliens who have just come here - not to assimilate - but to loot.

You are 100% correct, Giles.

Does anyone remember that in the 60's and 70's all we kept hearing was about starving children and overpopulation?  US solution was to offer birth control (the ultimate in free contraceptives) to the afflicted populations.  Less children equaled less starving children.  Did they USE THEM?  NO.

DaisyJane     :huh:

Quote from: CG6468 on July 26, 2014, 01:07:44 PM
With their slayings, document burning, and diseases for which the natives had no resistance, the damned Spaniards almost killed everyone on two continents.

The epidemics spread so far and fast most of America didn't even know the "Whiteman" had come. 

Quote from: keyboarder on July 25, 2014, 04:51:57 PM
Most of us have similar  stories, mine would make you cry.

The children are, as I have heard some say, the liberals "Trojan Horse".  They are being used to draw compassion.  We cannot serve every person, child, from every country that doesn't take care of its people.  We are at the same place here if they would but open their eyes.

Can you imagine the chaos when these children try to enter our schools?  I have been a sub in some of our local elementary schools and one of our largest high schools since I retired off my job.  My first job of sub was at a local ele. and it was my misfortune to have to be an aide to a k4-5 teacher.  She had upwards of 27 children in that class and all were latino except one black child and one white child.  None of the latino children could speak English.  I asked the teacher how we were supposed to deal with them when I found out she didn't speak their language.  Her answer was, "they are learning from the other (2) students in the class pretty fast".  All the children in that class was an overflow from a school that was closing and they had to put them somewhere until the new school got built the next year. 

Youv'e got every right to be angry, just put that anger to good use and do what you can to encourage others that might feel the same way. 

Did you happen to get to see the movie "America"?  I think every American ought to see this movie.  I saw it today with my "sheriff" and we both thought it right on point to the trouble we are having today from an onslaught of progressiveness.  There might even be some info in it that you might not have heard.  It will make you want to fight for our country!

Been there done that, and you know what I got in return for that sacrifice?

Harassment by the IRS and lifelong medical problems, and substandard medical care to treat it.

No thanks some of us have done our bit for God and country, some of us, are sick of fighting for a nation that neither appreciates the sacrifice, nor rewards it.

Quote from: daidalos on July 26, 2014, 04:03:58 PM
Been there done that, and you know what I got in return for that sacrifice?

Harassment by the IRS and lifelong medical problems, and substandard medical care to treat it.

No thanks some of us have done our bit for God and country, some of us, are sick of fighting for a nation that neither appreciates the sacrifice, nor rewards it.

You sound like my dad.  He is a Marine Corps. WW II combat veteran.  Got a Purple Heart and other medals. 

He said he won't fly his flag until this guy is out of office.  He said this is not the country he fought for.

DaisyJane    :huh:

Quote from: DaisyJane on July 26, 2014, 06:08:56 PM
You sound like my dad.  He is a Marine Corps. WW II combat veteran.  Got a Purple Heart and other medals. 

He said he won't fly his flag until this guy is out of office.  He said this is not the country he fought for.

I'm just the opposite.  Since the guy in-Office dislikes The Flag, I display it. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on July 26, 2014, 06:21:57 PM
I'm just the opposite.  Since the guy in-Office dislikes The Flag, I display it.

Same here, an in your face sort of thing.

Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
Same here, an in your face sort of thing.

My American-made US flag flies every day, and a yellow Gadsden flag flies just below it.

Quote from: TboneAgain on July 27, 2014, 01:44:34 AM
My American-made US flag flies every day, and a yellow Gadsden flag flies just below it.

Same here Tbone.

Daisey I'm with your dad on that. THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA I BELIEVED IN, THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA I WAS WILLING TO DIE FOR, IF NECESSARY.

For example had prior to my enlistment, someone told me, "now look we want you to put your backside on the line fighting a war for us, but twenty years after that, once you get out of the military someone's going to just walk on into the nation, and your classification as a citizen is going to mean crapola". "They'll get better healthcare than you will, they'll be given better housing than you, and oh yeah, they'll even be able to file taxation using your identity scto free too".

I'd have said, "hell but hell the frack no I"m not fighting for a nation that does that"....who the hell would?

Seriously who wouldn't have said hell no to something like that?

And yet that is, in effect what is going on today in this nation. That is in effect how every veteran from WWII on down is being treated by this nation.

Where's the outrage at that???? (sits and listens to the crickets)....I'm excluding most posters here too in that btw. I know most here are outraged by that, but seems we those posters here who do take offense to the way our vets are treated, on the whole are a small small minority.

And as if that's not bad enough, now today I wake up and see our stupid ass mayor wants Cincy to be the most "immigrant friendly" (translated ILLEGAL INVADER FRIENDLY) city in the nation.

Like we don't already have enough illegal invaders here.

And this on the day it comes out that just twenty minutes drive north, the Sheriff's life is threatened by the Mexican mafia.

I'm sorry for griping today folks, but I"m just sick to death of the b.s., AND so called "leaders" here who just don't get the message no matter how loud the people shout it.

And make no mistake about it, that's what it is (it being this issue with these illegal invaders) too, It's liberal b.s. attempts at stacking a deck, because they know they've lost the card game in NOV 16 otherwise.

Also one more thing Daisey, you are not being incompassionate in stating that no, you don't want illegal invaders being given amnesty in your nation.

If anything, you are showing compassion for your fellow citizen's by demanding that the time, energies and money's of our government be used for what they are intended to be used for.

Namely the people of the United States.

NOT, contrary to what liberals would have us all believe, everyone on the whole damned friggin planet.

IF anything you are being very compassionate in demanding that these folks own governments take care of them.

Not ours.

Quote from: daidalos on July 27, 2014, 02:00:01 AM
Same here Tbone.

Daisey I'm with your dad on that. THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA I BELIEVED IN, THIS IS NOT THE AMERICA I WAS WILLING TO DIE FOR, IF NECESSARY.

For example had prior to my enlistment, someone told me, "now look we want you to put your backside on the line fighting a war for us, but twenty years after that, once you get out of the military someone's going to just walk on into the nation, and your classification as a citizen is going to mean crapola". "They'll get better healthcare than you will, they'll be given better housing than you, and oh yeah, they'll even be able to file taxation using your identity scto free too".

I'd have said, "hell but hell the frack no I"m not fighting for a nation that does that"....who the hell would?

Seriously who wouldn't have said hell no to something like that?

And yet that is, in effect what is going on today in this nation. That is in effect how every veteran from WWII on down is being treated by this nation.

Where's the outrage at that???? (sits and listens to the crickets)....I'm excluding most posters here too in that btw. I know most here are outraged by that, but seems we those posters here who do take offense to the way our vets are treated, on the whole are a small small minority.

And as if that's not bad enough, now today I wake up and see our stupid ass mayor wants Cincy to be the most "immigrant friendly" (translated ILLEGAL INVADER FRIENDLY) city in the nation.

Like we don't already have enough illegal invaders here.

And this on the day it comes out that just twenty minutes drive north, the Sheriff's life is threatened by the Mexican mafia.

I'm sorry for griping today folks, but I"m just sick to death of the b.s., AND so called "leaders" here who just don't get the message no matter how loud the people shout it.

And make no mistake about it, that's what it is (it being this issue with these illegal invaders) too, It's liberal b.s. attempts at stacking a deck, because they know they've lost the card game in NOV 16 otherwise.

Also one more thing Daisey, you are not being incompassionate in stating that no, you don't want illegal invaders being given amnesty in your nation.

If anything, you are showing compassion for your fellow citizen's by demanding that the time, energies and money's of our government be used for what they are intended to be used for.

Namely the people of the United States.

NOT, contrary to what liberals would have us all believe, everyone on the whole damned friggin planet.

IF anything you are being very compassionate in demanding that these folks own governments take care of them.

Not ours.

From what I've been reading, you aren't alone in your anger over the priority given to these people, while our own homeless and Veterans settle for 3rd rate treatment. Libs are seeing it as well, and turning against the Dims over it.

Normally I'd never lump homeless in with Vets, but the Marxist created this economy, where countless numbers of people have joined the ranks of the homeless by no fault of their own, unlike a decade ago it was by choice.

As Vets, we expect a bit more consideration than waiting 6 months to a year for treatment, but this administration seems to make dying to get treatment a way of life for Vets, all the while treating illegals far better than us.

If this administration took as much time focusing on Vets as they do illegals, there would be no waiting line for care in the VA system.

It's disgusting that Vets get less consideration than illegals.

Obama loathes the military.  He loathes the very country that has made him President and will make him super rich.

Interesting take on flying the flag as an in your face!  No way could I convince my Dad to do that!!!

This is all going to come crumbling down on those of us who did NOTHING to deserve it.

DaisyJane    :huh:

Quote from: TboneAgain on July 27, 2014, 01:44:34 AMMy American-made US flag flies every day, and a yellow Gadsden flag flies just below it.

My American made flag also flies 24x365, with the American made Coast Guard flag beneath it.

Quote from: CG6468 on July 27, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
My American made flag also flies 24x365, with the American made Coast Guard flag beneath it.

Good for you, my friend.

Quote from: TboneAgain on July 27, 2014, 04:57:15 PMGood for you, my friend.

It's been like that for about the last 25 years, too. I am proud of my country (but not what it's becoming), and I'm proud of my military service.

Quote from: CG6468 on July 27, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
My American made flag also flies 24x365, with the American made Coast Guard flag beneath it.

CG as a request, from a veteran, please don't fly it in inclement weather. I hate to see the colors up there drenched. :)

Quote from: DaisyJane on July 27, 2014, 02:09:32 PM
It's disgusting that Vets get less consideration than illegals.

Obama loathes the military.  He loathes the very country that has made him President and will make him super rich.

Interesting take on flying the flag as an in your face!  No way could I convince my Dad to do that!!!

This is all going to come crumbling down on those of us who did NOTHING to deserve it.

DaisyJane    :huh:

I know this will shock some, maybe not others but here goes.

When Obama first took office, the statistics showed that something like forty percent of the homeless were veterans.

http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/veterans.html (http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/veterans.html)

Now, just imagine what that number is today, four years later, after enduring year after year of a horrible economy.....

One can almost not help but wonder if it's by design.

A means to force a large segment of our society onto the government plantation.

A means to enslave a large segment of our society.

Yet again things that make one go hmmm.....

Ok, I've read most of the posts on this title and I've got a new one that some of you might disagree with but it reflects the attitude of my husband.  He is a 20 yr. vet of the AF and is presently still employed at a big Electrical company.  He keeps up with the news with his head down, so to speak.  I've heard some of the stories about Viet Nam, even seen some of the pictures of his work in the service-horrible ones of soldiers from both sides in various stages of mutilation-body parts gone. 

He has related to me of the times our servicemen were told to "stand down".  He has told me of the treatment that he and fellow servicemen received upon re-entering the states, not a good thing.  We both patiently endure all of the media attempts to correct disrespect towards our military but where was the respect for him and his fellow servicemen?  We've gone to various celebrations and parades whereby servicemen and ex's are honored for their service and he will always proudly salute them.  He does not speak very much about the time he spent in the service but is a proud vet.  The worst part was seeing sooooo many dead bodies of very young American soldiers who will never have known a full life.  War is inevitable and always hell but better digested if the ones who wage it have their ducks in a row.  Our current adm. does not have a clue and could care less what servicemen think.  To be at the beck and call of corrupt leaders is a recipe for failure.

Here is the comment I  mean't to make.  He sees our country in the same horrible light as most of us here, maybe more solemnly than we do.  When Bozo was re-elected I saw my "sheriff" do something I had never seen done before and when I asked him why, he just simply said "we are in terrible danger".  He hung our American flag upside down and left it there all week.  The flag came down after that and he vows to leave it down until Bozo is gone.

Quote from: keyboarder on July 27, 2014, 06:41:12 PM
Ok, I've read most of the posts on this title and I've got a new one that some of you might disagree with but it reflects the attitude of my husband.  He is a 20 yr. vet of the AF and is presently still employed at a big Electrical company.  He keeps up with the news with his head down, so to speak.  I've heard some of the stories about Viet Nam, even seen some of the pictures of his work in the service-horrible ones of soldiers from both sides in various stages of mutilation-body parts gone. 

He has related to me of the times our servicemen were told to "stand down".  He has told me of the treatment that he and fellow servicemen received upon re-entering the states, not a good thing.  We both patiently endure all of the media attempts to correct disrespect towards our military but where was the respect for him and his fellow servicemen?  We've gone to various celebrations and parades whereby servicemen and ex's are honored for their service and he will always proudly salute them.  He does not speak very much about the time he spent in the service but is a proud vet.  The worst part was seeing sooooo many dead bodies of very young American soldiers who will never have known a full life.  War is inevitable and always hell but better digested if the ones who wage it have their ducks in a row.  Our current adm. does not have a clue and could care less what servicemen think.  To be at the beck and call of corrupt leaders is a recipe for failure.

Here is the comment I  mean't to make.  He sees our country in the same horrible light as most of us here, maybe more solemnly than we do.  When Bozo was re-elected I saw my "sheriff" do something I had never seen done before and when I asked him why, he just simply said "we are in terrible danger".  He hung our American flag upside down and left it there all week.  The flag came down after that and he vows to leave it down until Bozo is gone.

I agree. We are in terrible danger, actually have already been damaged in ways that won't become apparent for years or decades. But I can't agree with your husband's actions. Taking the flag down would have been fine. Flying it upside-down is something else altogether.

He more or less explained it by saying "this country is in terrible danger" meaning that's what hanging it upside down mean't.     :unsure:

Quote from: carlb on July 26, 2014, 04:29:26 AM
He's NOT an idiot! It's Cloward & Pivin executed flawlessly. Overwhelm the system to BRING IT DOWN.

I get a little irritated every time one of us attribute it to a "bumbling" president.  If WE don't understand him, how can we expect to educate the worshiping masses?

Well you may be correct in that issue. I have a habit of labeling anyone who fks things up royally as "an idiot". He maybe a genius for all we know but somehow I doubt it, to me he is an incompetant thug whose brain was dulled by the drugs he admitted to using during his youth and blinded by his hatred for all things white, American and conservative. He happens to be following a sinister agenda worked out not by him but by a network of shadowy figures who plotted our countries downfall decades ago. He is made out to be something he is not by the propaganda of an in collusion media and spin doctor sycophants in the new Marxist party otherwise known as Democrats.

Just a word to all you good folks who are angry (as you should be) with our nation, our flag and treatment of our Vets.

Remember something folks. Vets have been getting treated like crap for a long time, as a veteran of the Vietnam war, I can attest to that personally. My fellow GI's were rebuked, cursed, spit upon and belittled by lots of Americans when we came home. I had my issues with the "country" when I returned, and that include many of the people in it who held me and my fellow soldiers in contempt for fighting in the vietnam war, I hold at fault people like Ayers and the COUNTERCULTURE, ie THE MARXISTS for starting this crap. But us Viet Vets refused to lay down and take it. We came back, started new lives, started familes, built homes, went to work and became good citizens despite the assholery.

These counterculture types  have always hated America, the true America and they have hated the Constitution and the either stupid or brave men and women who defend it. They burned the symbol of our nation, THE FLAG...THATS WHY I FLY IT....ON MY LAND, ON MY CLOTHING AND ON MY VEHICLES....THEN AND NOW, its an in your face kiss my Shanty Irish ass challenge to anyone who Govt or non who would seek to BURN my personal flag or prevent me from flying it.

But one thing I can say, I LOVE THIS COUNTRY always have always will. BUT I HATE THE GOVT, I hate it more and more each day, I now consider the Obamao adminstration my direct enemies.

And I'm ashamed of the treatment our soldiers have received in the past and are receiving now, but don't sell our Vets short, they'll get through it, men who have been through hell
don't wimp out. And if it ever comes to storming the barricades to sort out this mess
guess who is gonna be in the forefront leading the charge.....a Vet!

Now a Vet has the right to fly his flag anyway he wants or not fly it and while I may not agree with some of the things I have read here, I support their right to do as they please...they (you) have earned it.

I'm a Vietnam vet also, and that vet has the absolute right to announce he believes this nation is in trouble.

We are. Obama's in charge.

Quote from: quiller on July 27, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
I'm a Vietnam vet also, and that vet has the absolute right to announce he believes this nation is in trouble.

We are. Obama's in charge.

Thanx Quiller.  We live in a neighborhood that is somewhat liberal.  Some do not even know anything about our border mess!  Out of 7 families represented here only two have served in the armed forces.  Only two families identify themselves as conservative but all fly the American Flag.   :woot:

My "sheriff" is a fantastic neighbor and will accomodate anyone in need here.  He does realize an "attitude" of indifference where we live.  His statement of the flag
was mean't to be a reflection of the state of our country.  If anyone took notice here, they didn't say anything.  We didn't expect them to.

Quote from: keyboarder on July 28, 2014, 09:11:18 AM
Thanx Quiller.  We live in a neighborhood that is somewhat liberal.  Some do not even know anything about our border mess!  Out of 7 families represented here only two have served in the armed forces.  Only two families identify themselves as conservative but all fly the American Flag.   :woot:

My "sheriff" is a fantastic neighbor and will accomodate anyone in need here.  He does realize an "attitude" of indifference where we live.  His statement of the flag
was mean't to be a reflection of the state of our country.  If anyone took notice here, they didn't say anything.  We didn't expect them to.

A liberal neighborhood in Spartanburg County?

Quote from: TboneAgain on July 27, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
I agree. We are in terrible danger, actually have already been damaged in ways that won't become apparent for years or decades. But I can't agree with your husband's actions. Taking the flag down would have been fine. Flying it upside-down is something else altogether.

The flag upside down DOES NOT MEAN THIS NATION IS IN DANGER folks. It means that POST is in serious mortal trouble.

Big difference between what some "think" that means and what it actually means.

As for taking the flag down, eh fly it or don't fly it, that's his right.

But IF he's going too, then please do so with the proper respect and care for, the colors.

Quote from: daidalos on July 28, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
The flag upside down DOES NOT MEAN THIS NATION IS IN DANGER folks. It means that POST is in serious mortal trouble.

What POST...? You mean the vet who ran that flag up, upside-down?

Bring it. Just freaking BRING it.

Quote from: DaisyJane on July 25, 2014, 04:29:33 PM
I am all out of compassion for people entering this country against the law.  I don't care if they are 2 or 42.  They are not our responsibility. 

Human life is still human life; it's pretty cold to turn away 2 year olds because they are not your "responsibility".

We cannot help if our resources are drained.  [/quote]

"cannot", or "don't want to"?  Have you crunched the numbers, or are you just making assumptions here?

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Sorry, the "for the children" argument is all out of steam for me.  I had to take care of my own.  I had to do WHATEVER was required of me to raise my own child.  It included going back to work as a nurse when my daughter was 7 weeks old, with no sleep.  I then changed to 12 hour (often stretching to 14 1/2 hours) shifts all weekend.  If my daughter didn't nap, neither did I before a 12 hour night shift.  I got out when my work was complete and not a minute sooner.  I did this for YEARS.

And if you had been killed, and your daughter for whatever reason had to flee to Canada, would you have wanted the border patrol to turn her back, because she's "not their responsibility"?

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I went to school to become a nurse and worked my butt off to learn, graduate, and get a license.  No one gave it to me.  I worked while I was IN SCHOOL.  I raised a child with an autistic disorder with no handouts.  My "extra" money went toward medical bills to get her help.

So why not give children the opportunity to work their butts off in school?  Because they were by random chance born into a shitty country?  You realize that the reason why nobody wants to live in Mexico is that the opportunities you alluded to don't exist there?

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I am not trying to make MYSELF the issue here.  It is but ONE illustration of what most of us have had to do not to be poor, etc.  I don't want to support other children that I didn't produce.  I made sure I just had one child - it was planned. 

To call this selfish would be quite the understatement.  The disturbing part is, you and your daughter obviously benefitted from having the opportunity to accomplish your dreams through hard work, but you seem to have no desire to grant to children the same opportunities that made your story possible, because they, by random chance, were born into another country. 

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We work hard, play by the rules, and then are told we are BAD people.

Who's told you that you are a bad person?

QuoteI have been generous to charity of my own free will.  I have taken care of sick people of all stripes without prejudice. 

But, now I feel no compassion, nothing but anger.

So you're more than happy to give your money to charity, and to take care of sick people, but as soon as those sick people are from another country, they can fuck themselves?   :rolleyes:

Support your own people, first, foremost, and forever. The rest can fend for themselves.

Quote from: quiller on July 28, 2014, 08:39:33 PM
Support your own people, first, foremost, and forever. The rest can fend for themselves.

You support this on what logic exactly?

QuoteGovernment is not reason; it is not eloquent; IT IS FORCE. -- George Washington

Like fire - it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master. ----George Washington.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:55:42 PM
You support this on what logic exactly?

And you support what --- supporting everyone BUT us, on our money? Who should benefit, us or illegals?

Quote from: mdgiles on July 29, 2014, 05:07:13 AM
Like fire - it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master. ----George Washington.

I can quote dead famous guys too!

"It is demonstratively clear that on this Estate I have more working Negroes by a full [half] than can be employed to any advantage in the farming system."

^guess who said that?

Quote from: quiller on July 29, 2014, 06:21:11 AM
And you support what --- supporting everyone BUT us, on our money? Who should benefit, us or illegals?

Nice black and white fallacy, thinking that supporting these kids somehow means we don't support ourselves.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:13:11 PM
I can quote dead famous guys too!

"It is demonstratively clear that on this Estate I have more working Negroes by a full [half] than can be employed to any advantage in the farming system."

^guess who said that?

Nice black and white fallacy, thinking that supporting these kids somehow means we don't support ourselves.

Actually it is a black and white situation. When these people come here can they support themselves or do they end up receiving government assistance? Do they have criminal records? Are they dangerous? Are they carrying any diseases?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2014, 11:45:07 PM
Actually it is a black and white situation. When these people come here can they support themselves or do they end up receiving government assistance? Do they have criminal records? Are they dangerous? Are they carrying any diseases?

AND, are they willing and eager to ASSIMILATE into AMERICAN culture, or will they seperate THEMSELVES as Mexicans colonizing the land those evil Americans stole from us.?

This is the recipe for DISASTER and that's why Obama is encouraging them to colonize our country.

Quote from: carlb on August 10, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
AND, are they willing and eager to ASSIMILATE into AMERICAN culture, or will they seperate THEMSELVES as Mexicans colonizing the land those evil Americans stole from us.?

This is the recipe for DISASTER and that's why Obama is encouraging them to colonize our country.

Excellent point that is overlooked!

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2014, 11:45:07 PM
Actually it is a black and white situation. When these people come here can they support themselves or do they end up receiving government assistance?

Some receive assistance, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

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Do they have criminal records?

Some do, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

QuoteAre they dangerous?

Some are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

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Are they carrying any diseases?

Some are, some aren't.  Do you see where I'm going here?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:41:50 AM

Some are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

They are NOT refugees. Good Allah, just because Obama sayts it, do all the yellow pencils have to parrot it?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:41:50 AM
Some receive assistance, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

If they waited in line like other LEGAL immigrants we would have a handle on that wouldn't we.

QuoteSome do, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

If they came here LEGALLY, than we would have a handle on whether or not they were criminals

QuoteSome are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

The children damn sure aren't coming here to get jobs, or is that too difficult for you to understand? Someone is going to have to take care of them. I prefer it was their parents in Central America.

QuoteSome are, some aren't.  Do you see where I'm going here?

I see exactly where you're going - an emotional appeal that assumes my rational brain has stop working - like yours.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:41:50 AM
Some receive assistance, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

Some do, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

Some are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

Some are, some aren't.  Do you see where I'm going here?

Yes. What part of "ILLEGAL" do you not understand?

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 11, 2014, 02:28:57 PM
Yes. What part of "ILLEGAL" do you not understand?

Lemme see now, my husband says that once you do something nine times it becomes a habit.  Posters who continually state that the illegals are anything but illegals really believe that they aren't illegal or else they've drank way too much of the Bozo Kool Aid.      :ohmy:

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 12:53:55 PM
If they waited in line like other LEGAL immigrants we would have a handle on that wouldn't we.

I come from an immigrant family.  This country's legal immigration system is broken, with your fate being put in the hands of semi-illiterate immigration officers who can essentially arbitrarily deport you for no fucking reason whatsoever.  My mother had a clean criminal record and was invited on a National Interest Waiver for having a doctorates in Bioinformatics - she was still detained and almost denied entry by the border police, and it took her seven years to obtain a green card.

Now, if things have improved since then, please lay down the law for me, and show me what these children would have to do to become legal immigrants, how long this would take, and what the chances of their success would be.

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If they came here LEGALLY, than we would have a handle on whether or not they were criminals

Um...no?  Those born in the United States are automatically granted citizenship without any sort of background checking, and BTW, weren't you opposed to background checks for firearms?

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The children damn sure aren't coming here to get jobs, or is that too difficult for you to understand?

What makes you think they don't want to find work? 

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Someone is going to have to take care of them. I prefer it was their parents in Central America.

And what if they are orphaned, and their parents are dead, missing or in prison?  Should they rely on Mexico's heralded and much appraised social services?

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I see exactly where you're going - an emotional appeal that assumes my rational brain has stop working - like yours.

Right, because your argument is clearly based on a rational assessment of the imminent danger to our national security posed by refugee children.  :rolleyes: Never mind the fact that plenty of far poorer nations have historically opened their bordered to far greater waves of refugees without being killed off by evil immigrant children.  You're just a rebel without a cause at this point.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 04:13:33 PM
I come from an immigrant family.  This country's legal immigration system is broken, with your fate being put in the hands of semi-illiterate immigration officers who can essentially arbitrarily deport you for no fucking reason whatsoever.  My mother had a clean criminal record and was invited on a National Interest Waiver for having a doctorates in Bioinformatics - she was still detained and almost denied entry by the border police, and it took her seven years to obtain a green card.

I too come from an immigrant family, My grandfather immigrated from Ireland after his side lost in the Irish revolution of 1916...he was a wanted criminal and terrorist..... :popcorn: :wink:

My first wife was born in Puerto Rico, she was brought to NYC as a child...LEGALLY Her parents became citizens and so did she, FOLLOWING THE LAW. she died years ago and I re married, my second wife was born in Singapore of Chinese/Malay parents, she is not an 'Immigrant' but resides in the USA LEGALLY with me. Before I met her she was educated in California and Texas...Legally obtaining the necesary documents and proceedure. If she did it why should anyone else not?

Now, if things have improved since then, please lay down the law for me, and show me what these children would have to do to become legal immigrants, how long this would take, and what the chances of their success would be.

The point I'm trying to make is that in the past immigrant law has developed, from where my criminal grandfather could just waltz into the country under a false name to where there is a decided proceedure that is followed by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and ALIENS alike. I also mentioned my current wife. I lived and worked in her country AS AN ALIEN, I followed thier laws which are quite strict as are most laws on immigration in other country.

What makes you think they don't want to find work? 

What makes you think they do? BTW they are technically NOT ALLOWED TO WORK...we do have chold labor laws

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 11, 2014, 07:04:50 PM
I too come from an immigrant family, My grandfather immigrated from Ireland after his side lost in the Irish revolution of 1916...he was a wanted criminal and terrorist..... :popcorn: :wink:

My first wife was born in Puerto Rico, she was brought to NYC as a child...LEGALLY Her parents became citizens and so did she, FOLLOWING THE LAW. she died years ago and I re married, my second wife was born in Singapore of Chinese/Malay parents, she is not an 'Immigrant' but resides in the USA LEGALLY with me. Before I met her she was educated in California and Texas...Legally obtaining the necesary documents and proceedure. If she did it why should anyone else not?

Do you seriously think the youngsters fleeing the border have the resources and ability to go through the legal immigration system, just because your comparatively affluent family members did?  Even the well educated must undergo a series of obstacles just to obtain a greencard; if you're poor and uneducated, you're pretty much fucked.

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The point I'm trying to make is that in the past immigrant law has developed, from where my criminal grandfather could just waltz into the country under a false name to where there is a decided proceedure that is followed by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and ALIENS alike. I also mentioned my current wife. I lived and worked in her country AS AN ALIEN, I followed thier laws which are quite strict as are most laws on immigration in other country.

That "decided procedure" is not very effective or realistic for the undocumented people in question.

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What makes you think they do?

Did you seriously ask me why people might want to find work?

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BTW they are technically NOT ALLOWED TO WORK...we do have chold labor laws

We also have minimum wage laws, but we know illegal immigrants don't follow them - that's why they're so popular with businesses.

QuoteDo you seriously think the youngsters fleeing the border have the resources and ability to go through the legal immigration system, just because your comparatively affluent family members did?

What a dumb ass argument. If they can't afford it then they shouldn't come here.

Why is this idiot here?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
What a dumb ass argument. If they can't afford it then they shouldn't come here.

And you think they can afford to remain in their home countries, with significantly fewer economic and personal securities, because...?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
And you think they can afford to remain in their home countries, with significantly fewer economic and personal securities, because...?

It's not our problem. We can't take care of ourselves anymore. Your president has reduced us to a part time economy and you want to add millions more when he have 90 million Americans out of work? What are you on?

Do these countries have the same immigration laws we do?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:26:27 PM
It's not our problem.

Um, once they're over here, they certainly are our problem.

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We can't take care of ourselves anymore.

You're full of shit.  The United States is orders of magnitude more stable and self sufficient than plenty of nations that have accepted refugees.  To us, "economic hardship" is having to live in a one room apartment.  To the people who are fleeing here, "economic hardship" is facing literal starvation.

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Your president has reduced us to a part time economy

You lie.  Job figures are improving, and the economy has steadily grown over the past few years.  Bush's recession is over, and we certainly have enough discretionary spending to accommodate a few immigrant children.

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and you want to add millions more when he have 90 million Americans out of work? What are you on?

Who said anything about "adding" more?  Once they're already here, deporting them is going to cost more money than letting them stay.  You are the one who wants to empty our coffins to track down these people.

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Do these countries have the same immigration laws we do?

I'd imagine they're not in the same situation at all, since everybody wants to get out and nobody wants to get in.  We're a pretty wealthy nation, and even in our worst economic straits, everybody wants to come here.  Which is somehow a bad thing, in your mind.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
What a dumb ass argument. If they can't afford it then they shouldn't come here.

Why is this idiot here?

He's my little pet.  I promise I'll house train him.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
Um, once they're over here, they certainly are our problem.

Ah yes, the sole reason you idiots don't want a secure border.

QuoteYou're full of shit.  The United States is orders of magnitude more stable and self sufficient than plenty of nations that have accepted refugees.  To us, "economic hardship" is having to live in a one room apartment.  To the people who are fleeing here, "economic hardship" is facing literal starvation.

Yeah and what happens if we just take in everyone that wanders over the border. Think for once kid.

QuoteYou lie.  Job figures are improving, and the economy has steadily grown over the past few years.  Bush's recession is over, and we certainly have enough discretionary spending to accommodate a few immigrant children.

Fail asshole. What is the labor participation rate? How any of the jobs created under Obama are part time? Do some homework junior.

QuoteWho said anything about "adding" more?  Once they're already here, deporting them is going to cost more money than letting them stay.  You are the one who wants to empty our coffins to track down these people.

Really? A plane ticket costs more than supporting these people?

QuoteI'd imagine they're not in the same situation at all, since everybody wants to get out and nobody wants to get in.  We're a pretty wealthy nation, and even in our worst economic straits, everybody wants to come here.  Which is somehow a bad thing, in your mind.

Don't put words in my mouth junior. Them wanting to come here does not mean we can sustain them.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Ah yes, the sole reason you idiots don't want a secure border.

You have a habit of responding to points with smartass remarks rather than logical rebuttals.  Here, you're clearly not breaking it.

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Yeah and what happens if we just take in everyone that wanders over the border.  Think for once kid.

Because obviously, accepting children refugees means we're accepting "everyone what wanders over the border".   :rolleyes:  Thinking usually requires logic, something you obviously lack if you think "children" and "everyone" are synonyms.

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Fail asshole. What is the labor participation rate? How any of the jobs created under Obama are part time? Do some homework junior.

Oh, are you going to suggest that the economy is worse now than it was at the end of Bush's years?  I'd like to see some data please.  It's not my homework, it's yours, since you made the claim.

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Really? A plane ticket costs more than supporting these people?

If you think the only expenditure needed to deport immigrants is to physically transport them, you're beyond help.

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Don't put words in my mouth junior. Them wanting to come here does not mean we can sustain them.

And I'm supposed to take your word that we can't sustain child refugees...because?  To take pity on you, and your obvious inability to produce or analyze statistics in any capacity?  Are you math impaired, or something?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 09:47:09 PM
You have a habit of responding to points with smartass remarks rather than logical rebuttals.  Here, you're clearly not breaking it.

Nope. You just can't refute logic.

QuoteBecause obviously, accepting children refugees means we're accepting "everyone what wanders over the border".   :rolleyes:  Thinking usually requires logic, something you obviously lack if you think "children" and "everyone" are synonyms.

Who is being sent back?

QuoteOh, are you going to suggest that the economy is worse now than it was at the end of Bush's years?  I'd like to see some data please.  It's not my homework, it's yours, since you made the claim.

Really? You are asking me to present data to back up arguments I didn't make? Any road if you are not aware that the labor participation rate is at its lowest since Carter was president then you need to stop posting here. That is common knowledge.

QuoteIf you think the only expenditure needed to deport immigrants is to physically transport them, you're beyond help.

Well it's a good thing I never said that now isn't it.

QuoteAnd I'm supposed to take your word that we can't sustain child refugees...because?  To take pity on you, and your obvious inability to produce or analyze statistics in any capacity?  Are you math impaired, or something?

Not children but tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. By the way, learn the definition of a refugee :rolleyes:

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
What a dumb ass argument. If they can't afford it then they shouldn't come here.

Why is this idiot here?

Because Taxed plays with his food.
As long as Taxed wants to use him as an example of liberal intellect, and Scifan doesn't catch on, then he'll remain as a chew toy.

As smart as Sci thinks he is, he is a perfect example to others out there of how faith, lunacy and ignorance all comes together in a perfect storm of stupidity to illustrate one has to give up critical thinking to believe in such an obvious scam.

EG. Co2, something the entire spectrum of life on this planet relies on to survive, suddenly becomes classified as a pollutant, did he stop and ever question the wisdom behind this move.

Yep, poster child written all over it.

QuoteAs long as Taxed wants to use him as an example of liberal intellect, and Scifan doesn't catch on, then he'll remain as a chew toy.

"Chew toy"! I like that!  :thumbsup:

Quote from: mdgiles on August 12, 2014, 05:45:07 AM
"Chew toy"! I like that!  :thumbsup:

:biggrin:
I just wish it didn't have such an irritating squeaker built into it, so every time you bite down, it makes noise.
I know my dog is the same way, as soon as she would get the squeaky out, the toy was worthless.

Sci is the same way, irritating, broken record of circular argument low IQ, but it's that excessive noise that's the attraction. :laugh:

Quote from: mdgiles on August 12, 2014, 05:45:07 AM
"Chew toy"! I like that!  :thumbsup:

Pass this along, next time you decide to dance.

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Quote from: Solar on August 12, 2014, 05:54:41 AM
:biggrin:
I just wish it didn't have such an irritating squeaker built into it, so every time you bite down, it makes noise.
I know my dog is the same way, as soon as she would get the squeaky out, the toy was worthless.

Sci is the same way, irritating, broken record of circular argument low IQ, but it's that excessive noise that's the attraction. :laugh:

Funny how "no more compassion" morphed so slickly into a troll-bashing exercise. Congress is out, the news media are all writing each other for spin-doctor tutoring, the public is on vacation or dealing with real life, and the pols are home pestering voters and burning good air. It's the boring season and he's here. What more excuse do we need?

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Quote from: Solar on August 12, 2014, 05:18:08 AM
Because Taxed plays with his food.
As long as Taxed wants to use him as an example of liberal intellect, and Scifan doesn't catch on, then he'll remain as a chew toy.

As smart as Sci thinks he is, he is a perfect example to others out there of how faith, lunacy and ignorance all comes together in a perfect storm of stupidity to illustrate one has to give up critical thinking to believe in such an obvious scam.

EG. Co2, something the entire spectrum of life on this planet relies on to survive, suddenly becomes classified as a pollutant, did he stop and ever question the wisdom behind this move.

Yep, poster child written all over it.

Hey now solar you know we're supposed to get rid of all the CO2 so the plants these liberals insist we're supposed to eat exclusively all die off because they can no longer photosynthesize sunlight. :)

Quote from: daidalos on August 12, 2014, 08:06:07 AM
Hey now solar you know we're supposed to get rid of all the CO2 so the plants these liberals insist we're supposed to eat exclusively all die off because they can no longer photosynthesize sunlight. :)

Worse than that, the planet needs CO2 to keep it warm. If these A-holes ever do manage to lower the CO2 levels we may find ourselves in the middle of an ice age.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 12, 2014, 08:45:31 AM
Worse than that, the planet needs CO2 to keep it warm. If these A-holes ever do manage to lower the CO2 levels we may find ourselves in the middle of an ice age.

True, Co2 increases always followed heating on the planet, so it only figures that if Co2 is increasing at cyclical norms, we're out of the warming phase and headed in the opposite direction.

But lets not let science get in the way of an emotional movement by the religious fanatics on the left.
Because we all know Cons hate Gaia.
Did I mention I hate Libs?

Quote from: mdgiles on August 12, 2014, 05:45:07 AM
"Chew toy"! I like that!  :thumbsup:

You had not seen this before now?  Not to fret, I had to have it explained to me too.  Quite entertaining when you learn to expect the unexpected.  This is what I like about this crew.  Informative, truthful and entertaining.  I think I'll throw my TV outta' the window.   You don't do badly at it either.   :smile:

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
Nope. You just can't refute logic.

You wouldn't know "logic" if it came to you in a Ronald Reagan costume at your church congregation.  How the fuck is "Ah yes, the sole reason you idiots don't want a secure border" a logical rebuttal to "Um, once they're over here, they certainly are our problem"?  It's a clever attempt to shift the subject matter with an insult superfluously connected to the topic, but not actually addressing the argument.  Were you doing this intentionally, or did you honestly think you were being "logical"?

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Who is being sent back?

Don't change the subject.  You claimed that accepting child refugees was the same as accepting everyone, which was beyond our nation's abilities to house.  Justify this assertion.

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Really? You are asking me to present data to back up arguments I didn't make?

You're full of shit.  You claimed that Obama had reduced us to a part time economy; you carry the burden of harnessing your inner google warrior and finding the evidence for this.  Try not to make assertions you can't support in the future.

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Well it's a good thing I never said that now isn't it.

Again, I can't tell if you're being retarded, or a liar.  I claimed that deporting illegal immigrants would cost more money than letting them stay, and you replied with "Really? A plane ticket costs more than supporting these people?", obviously substituting "a plane ticket" for "deporting them".  Ergo, your reptilian brain clearly assumed that the costs of deportation only factored in the physical transportation, and nothing else, which is quite pathetic, to say the least.

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Not children but tens of thousands of illegal immigrants.

Read the OP, junior.  We're talking about the recent immigration crisis.

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By the way, learn the definition of a refugee :rolleyes:

Merriam-Webster defines "refugee" as "a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution."  These immigrant children have reported extreme amounts of danger in their home countries; many are without families, and some have reported being accosted by gangs and forced to take drugs and even fight in their turf-wars.  Smaller and poorer countries, often at the imploring of the US, have taken in larger amounts of much older refugees before.  You republitards love to wave about the greatness of America, but when the public eye is on us, actions matter more than words.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 13, 2014, 06:56:14 PM
You wouldn't know "logic" if it came to you in a Ronald Reagan costume at your church congregation.  How the fuck is "Ah yes, the sole reason you idiots don't want a secure border" a logical rebuttal to "Um, once they're over here, they certainly are our problem"?  It's a clever attempt to shift the subject matter with an insult superfluously connected to the topic, but not actually addressing the argument.  Were you doing this intentionally, or did you honestly think you were being "logical"?

I was responding to this:

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
Um, once they're over here, they certainly are our problem.

And that explains why we should secure the border. All they have to do is set foot on our soil and you seem to think we have an obligation to support them. We don't. Oh and the rest of what you wrote is pure emotional bollocks. You can do better.

QuoteDon't change the subject.  You claimed that accepting child refugees was the same as accepting everyone, which was beyond our nation's abilities to house.  Justify this assertion.

How is it different?

QuoteYou're full of shit.  You claimed that Obama had reduced us to a part time economy; you carry the burden of harnessing your inner google warrior and finding the evidence for this.  Try not to make assertions you can't support in the future.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 (http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/part-time-job-creation_n_3788365.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/part-time-job-creation_n_3788365.html)

QuoteAgain, I can't tell if you're being retarded, or a liar.  I claimed that deporting illegal immigrants would cost more money than letting them stay, and you replied with "Really? A plane ticket costs more than supporting these people?", obviously substituting "a plane ticket" for "deporting them".  Ergo, your reptilian brain clearly assumed that the costs of deportation only factored in the physical transportation, and nothing else, which is quite pathetic, to say the least.

Don't get mad at me because I proved you wrong.

QuoteRead the OP, junior.  We're talking about the recent immigration crisis.

Yes. Yes we are And the number of "family units" crossing the border has been hidden.

QuoteMerriam-Webster defines "refugee" as "a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution."  These immigrant children have reported extreme amounts of danger in their home countries; many are without families, and some have reported being accosted by gangs and forced to take drugs and even fight in their turf-wars.  Smaller and poorer countries, often at the imploring of the US, have taken in larger amounts of much older refugees before.  You republitards love to wave about the greatness of America, but when the public eye is on us, actions matter more than words.

Awesome but what we are talking about is the US GOVERNMENT'S definition of a refugee. I didn't specify that because I thought you would have known that since you spend so much time telling us how dumb we are and how smart you are.

QuoteRefugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion.

So lets recap junior.

You don't know what the labor participation rate is
You don't know the percentage of part time jobs created under Obama
You don't know the number of adults or "family units" crossing the border
And you don't know what the US government's definition of a refugee is

What good are you? You add nothing to this forum except some comic relief. The only thing you have accomplished is to make me reconsider my position on abortion.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 13, 2014, 08:27:58 PM


So lets recap junior.

You don't know what the labor participation rate is
You don't know the percentage of part time jobs created under Obama
You don't know the number of adults or "family units" crossing the border
And you don't know what the US government's definition of a refugee is

What good are you? You add nothing to this forum except some comic relief. The only thing you have accomplished is to make me reconsider my position on abortion.

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Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 13, 2014, 08:27:58 PM
I was responding to this:

And that explains why we should secure the border. All they have to do is set foot on our soil and you seem to think we have an obligation to support them. We don't. Oh and the rest of what you wrote is pure emotional bollocks. You can do better.


How is it different?

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 (http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/part-time-job-creation_n_3788365.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/part-time-job-creation_n_3788365.html)

Don't get mad at me because I proved you wrong.

Yes. Yes we are And the number of "family units" crossing the border has been hidden.

Awesome but what we are talking about is the US GOVERNMENT'S definition of a refugee. I didn't specify that because I thought you would have known that since you spend so much time telling us how dumb we are and how smart you are.

So lets recap junior.

You don't know what the labor participation rate is
You don't know the percentage of part time jobs created under Obama
You don't know the number of adults or "family units" crossing the border
And you don't know what the US government's definition of a refugee is

What good are you? You add nothing to this forum except some comic relief. The only thing you have accomplished is to make me reconsider my position on abortion.

Booman our government, doesn't even have an obligation, as it's "obligations are enumerated in our Constitution that is, to support our own citizens.

Let alone citizens from and of another nation.

As fallacious and illogical as the liberals entitlement argument is.

It's even worse that they now insist, said entitlement extends not only to our own citizenry.

But every tom dick and harry on the planet too.  :rolleyes: