Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2014, 11:45:07 PM
Actually it is a black and white situation. When these people come here can they support themselves or do they end up receiving government assistance? Do they have criminal records? Are they dangerous? Are they carrying any diseases?

AND, are they willing and eager to ASSIMILATE into AMERICAN culture, or will they seperate THEMSELVES as Mexicans colonizing the land those evil Americans stole from us.?

This is the recipe for DISASTER and that's why Obama is encouraging them to colonize our country.

Quote from: carlb on August 10, 2014, 11:59:00 PM
AND, are they willing and eager to ASSIMILATE into AMERICAN culture, or will they seperate THEMSELVES as Mexicans colonizing the land those evil Americans stole from us.?

This is the recipe for DISASTER and that's why Obama is encouraging them to colonize our country.

Excellent point that is overlooked!

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2014, 11:45:07 PM
Actually it is a black and white situation. When these people come here can they support themselves or do they end up receiving government assistance?

Some receive assistance, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

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Do they have criminal records?

Some do, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

QuoteAre they dangerous?

Some are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

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Are they carrying any diseases?

Some are, some aren't.  Do you see where I'm going here?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:41:50 AM

Some are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

They are NOT refugees. Good Allah, just because Obama sayts it, do all the yellow pencils have to parrot it?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:41:50 AM
Some receive assistance, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

If they waited in line like other LEGAL immigrants we would have a handle on that wouldn't we.

QuoteSome do, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

If they came here LEGALLY, than we would have a handle on whether or not they were criminals

QuoteSome are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

The children damn sure aren't coming here to get jobs, or is that too difficult for you to understand? Someone is going to have to take care of them. I prefer it was their parents in Central America.

QuoteSome are, some aren't.  Do you see where I'm going here?

I see exactly where you're going - an emotional appeal that assumes my rational brain has stop working - like yours.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:41:50 AM
Some receive assistance, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

Some do, some don't.  The problem is you want to deport even those who don't.

Some are, some are not.  Certainly 99% of the children refugees are not.  The problem is, you want to deport even them, because your policy is a blanket condemnation of 100% of undocumented immigrants, regardless of individual merits or character.

Some are, some aren't.  Do you see where I'm going here?

Yes. What part of "ILLEGAL" do you not understand?

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 11, 2014, 02:28:57 PM
Yes. What part of "ILLEGAL" do you not understand?

Lemme see now, my husband says that once you do something nine times it becomes a habit.  Posters who continually state that the illegals are anything but illegals really believe that they aren't illegal or else they've drank way too much of the Bozo Kool Aid.     

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 12:53:55 PM
If they waited in line like other LEGAL immigrants we would have a handle on that wouldn't we.

I come from an immigrant family.  This country's legal immigration system is broken, with your fate being put in the hands of semi-illiterate immigration officers who can essentially arbitrarily deport you for no fucking reason whatsoever.  My mother had a clean criminal record and was invited on a National Interest Waiver for having a doctorates in Bioinformatics - she was still detained and almost denied entry by the border police, and it took her seven years to obtain a green card.

Now, if things have improved since then, please lay down the law for me, and show me what these children would have to do to become legal immigrants, how long this would take, and what the chances of their success would be.

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If they came here LEGALLY, than we would have a handle on whether or not they were criminals

Um...no?  Those born in the United States are automatically granted citizenship without any sort of background checking, and BTW, weren't you opposed to background checks for firearms?

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The children damn sure aren't coming here to get jobs, or is that too difficult for you to understand?

What makes you think they don't want to find work? 

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Someone is going to have to take care of them. I prefer it was their parents in Central America.

And what if they are orphaned, and their parents are dead, missing or in prison?  Should they rely on Mexico's heralded and much appraised social services?

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I see exactly where you're going - an emotional appeal that assumes my rational brain has stop working - like yours.

Right, because your argument is clearly based on a rational assessment of the imminent danger to our national security posed by refugee children.  Never mind the fact that plenty of far poorer nations have historically opened their bordered to far greater waves of refugees without being killed off by evil immigrant children.  You're just a rebel without a cause at this point.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 04:13:33 PM
I come from an immigrant family.  This country's legal immigration system is broken, with your fate being put in the hands of semi-illiterate immigration officers who can essentially arbitrarily deport you for no fucking reason whatsoever.  My mother had a clean criminal record and was invited on a National Interest Waiver for having a doctorates in Bioinformatics - she was still detained and almost denied entry by the border police, and it took her seven years to obtain a green card.

I too come from an immigrant family, My grandfather immigrated from Ireland after his side lost in the Irish revolution of 1916...he was a wanted criminal and terrorist.....

My first wife was born in Puerto Rico, she was brought to NYC as a child...LEGALLY Her parents became citizens and so did she, FOLLOWING THE LAW. she died years ago and I re married, my second wife was born in Singapore of Chinese/Malay parents, she is not an 'Immigrant' but resides in the USA LEGALLY with me. Before I met her she was educated in California and Texas...Legally obtaining the necesary documents and proceedure. If she did it why should anyone else not?

Now, if things have improved since then, please lay down the law for me, and show me what these children would have to do to become legal immigrants, how long this would take, and what the chances of their success would be.

The point I'm trying to make is that in the past immigrant law has developed, from where my criminal grandfather could just waltz into the country under a false name to where there is a decided proceedure that is followed by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and ALIENS alike. I also mentioned my current wife. I lived and worked in her country AS AN ALIEN, I followed thier laws which are quite strict as are most laws on immigration in other country.

What makes you think they don't want to find work? 

What makes you think they do? BTW they are technically NOT ALLOWED TO WORK...we do have chold labor laws

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 11, 2014, 07:04:50 PM
I too come from an immigrant family, My grandfather immigrated from Ireland after his side lost in the Irish revolution of 1916...he was a wanted criminal and terrorist.....

My first wife was born in Puerto Rico, she was brought to NYC as a child...LEGALLY Her parents became citizens and so did she, FOLLOWING THE LAW. she died years ago and I re married, my second wife was born in Singapore of Chinese/Malay parents, she is not an 'Immigrant' but resides in the USA LEGALLY with me. Before I met her she was educated in California and Texas...Legally obtaining the necesary documents and proceedure. If she did it why should anyone else not?

Do you seriously think the youngsters fleeing the border have the resources and ability to go through the legal immigration system, just because your comparatively affluent family members did?  Even the well educated must undergo a series of obstacles just to obtain a greencard; if you're poor and uneducated, you're pretty much fucked.

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The point I'm trying to make is that in the past immigrant law has developed, from where my criminal grandfather could just waltz into the country under a false name to where there is a decided proceedure that is followed by LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and ALIENS alike. I also mentioned my current wife. I lived and worked in her country AS AN ALIEN, I followed thier laws which are quite strict as are most laws on immigration in other country.

That "decided procedure" is not very effective or realistic for the undocumented people in question.

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What makes you think they do?

Did you seriously ask me why people might want to find work?

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BTW they are technically NOT ALLOWED TO WORK...we do have chold labor laws

We also have minimum wage laws, but we know illegal immigrants don't follow them - that's why they're so popular with businesses.

QuoteDo you seriously think the youngsters fleeing the border have the resources and ability to go through the legal immigration system, just because your comparatively affluent family members did?

What a dumb ass argument. If they can't afford it then they shouldn't come here.

Why is this idiot here?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
What a dumb ass argument. If they can't afford it then they shouldn't come here.

And you think they can afford to remain in their home countries, with significantly fewer economic and personal securities, because...?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
And you think they can afford to remain in their home countries, with significantly fewer economic and personal securities, because...?

It's not our problem. We can't take care of ourselves anymore. Your president has reduced us to a part time economy and you want to add millions more when he have 90 million Americans out of work? What are you on?

Do these countries have the same immigration laws we do?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:26:27 PM
It's not our problem.

Um, once they're over here, they certainly are our problem.

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We can't take care of ourselves anymore.

You're full of shit.  The United States is orders of magnitude more stable and self sufficient than plenty of nations that have accepted refugees.  To us, "economic hardship" is having to live in a one room apartment.  To the people who are fleeing here, "economic hardship" is facing literal starvation.

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Your president has reduced us to a part time economy

You lie.  Job figures are improving, and the economy has steadily grown over the past few years.  Bush's recession is over, and we certainly have enough discretionary spending to accommodate a few immigrant children.

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and you want to add millions more when he have 90 million Americans out of work? What are you on?

Who said anything about "adding" more?  Once they're already here, deporting them is going to cost more money than letting them stay.  You are the one who wants to empty our coffins to track down these people.

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Do these countries have the same immigration laws we do?

I'd imagine they're not in the same situation at all, since everybody wants to get out and nobody wants to get in.  We're a pretty wealthy nation, and even in our worst economic straits, everybody wants to come here.  Which is somehow a bad thing, in your mind.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 11, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
What a dumb ass argument. If they can't afford it then they shouldn't come here.

Why is this idiot here?

He's my little pet.  I promise I'll house train him.