Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
Aaah yeah, like in the context of governments which if you didn't know the European Union is and the Constitution also defines    ???

Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

You do know that States have their "Own" Constitution don't you?  If they weren't independent States then why would they require their own Constitution eh?

What the hell are you talking about?

Quote from: Harry on October 08, 2010, 12:23:07 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

That we're 50 States with their own government forming a Union, you know like Europe has been trying to form with their European Union?

Further supported by not only the Constitution -

Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

But furthermore backed by the Federalist Papers, start with -

FEDERALIST No. 23
The Necessity of a Government as Energetic as the One Proposed to the Preservation of the Union

We're NOT one single Nation, we are a Union of Individual States

I'm rather anal retentive about this due to as I stated earlier -

"It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government.  Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference."

Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
That we're 50 States with their own government forming a Union, you know like Europe has been trying to form with their European Union?

Further supported by not only the Constitution -

Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

But furthermore backed by the Federalist Papers, start with -

FEDERALIST No. 23
The Necessity of a Government as Energetic as the One Proposed to the Preservation of the Union

We're NOT one single Nation, we are a Union of Individual States

I'm rather anal retentive about this due to as I stated earlier -

"It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government.  Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference."

Yeah, that's what I said.

Quote from: Harry on October 08, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
Yeah, that's what I said.

OK then I miss interpreted the response. 

Cheers

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:42:39 PM
I'm not the one who said that we're a Democracy, you were hence my suggestion you take a civics class.

Also you seem to have a comprehension problem, the focus is "One Nation".

Here, I'll quote my response -

So we don't practise democracy in our republic..... ::)

Billy

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 08, 2010, 06:01:09 PM

So we don't practise democracy in our republic..... ::)

Billy

We are a Republic

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Constitution-based federal republic

U.S. Constitution
Article IV
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Simply put. Who formed the union? The States or the people in aggregate.

What is the Constitution but a compact between the states?

Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 11:47:23 PM
We are a Republic

So is Cambodia.....and Vietnam for that matter.



Billy

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 09, 2010, 06:41:49 PM

So is Cambodia.....and Vietnam for that matter.



Billy

And your point is?   ???

I think Billy's point is, a republic---if you can keep it.

Quote from: quiller on October 10, 2010, 08:01:59 AM
I think Billy's point is, a republic---if you can keep it.

Truthfully, we stopped being a federated republic at Appomattox.

Quote from: Shooterman on October 10, 2010, 08:16:57 AM
Truthfully, we stopped being a federated republic at Appomattox.

What unit were you with?  ;)



Couldn't resist that'n. As mentioned, I have no ancestral dog in that fight. We are what we are. A republic, if we can keep it.

Quote from: quiller on October 10, 2010, 08:32:48 AM
What unit were you with?  ;)



Couldn't resist that'n. As mentioned, I have no ancestral dog in that fight. We are what we are. A republic, if we can keep it.

My second Great Grandpap was with Hood's Brigade.

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 09, 2010, 06:41:49 PM

So is Cambodia.....and Vietnam for that matter.



Billy

The point is you cannot be a "republic" without being a democracy and elect freely your representantives, the two overlap.

Those places (and a few others) are republics, however, they do not have constitutionally protected freedoms and their "democratic" process is limited to votes for those who are connected to the "Party" which still have to be approved by a committee.

In other words they are not a Democracy.

Billy