Hope o b goes to Mississippi soon. ;D ;D ;D
TUPELO, Miss. — A Mississippi judge ordered an attorney to spend several hours in jail Wednesday after the attorney chose not to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in court. The Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal reported that Chancery Judge Talmadge Littlejohn told a court audience to rise and say the pledge. People in the courtroom said Danny Lampley of Oxford stood but did not say the words.
Records show Lampley was booked into the Lee County jail at 9:40 a.m. and released about 2:30 p.m. on the judge's orders.
Information from: Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal (//http://)
Good...the shitbag should be disbarred...liberal lawyers are the enablers ruining this country...if there was only one thing I could disband immediately it would be the ACLU
So the Pledge of Allegiance which was written by a Socialist Francis Bellamy cousin to Socialist Utopian Edward Bellamy sure is a "Conservative" standard, why? ???
Here is the pledge given with the "original" Bellamy Salute (before it was changed to hand over the heart).
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F6%2F6c%2FPledge_salue.jpg&hash=b4e0369c2ccbc01e0f5d58fec7791197174dc8f7)
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 03:52:18 PM
So the Pledge of Allegiance which was written by a Socialist Francis Bellamy cousin to Socialist Utopian Edward Bellamy sure is a "Conservative" standard, why? ???
Here is the pledge given with the "original" Bellamy Salute (before it was changed to hand over the heart).
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F6%2F6c%2FPledge_salue.jpg&hash=b4e0369c2ccbc01e0f5d58fec7791197174dc8f7)
Well, Pagan, if you're going to pick and choose your facts concerning the origins of the Pledge Of Allegiance, it's my duty to tell the WHOLE story. Your intellectual DISHONESTY is very unbecoming.
In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'
His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]
Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.
Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.
What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:
It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...
The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?
Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 07, 2010, 05:10:20 PM
Well, Pagan, if you're going to pick and choose your facts concerning the origins of the Pledge Of Allegiance, it's my duty to tell the WHOLE story. Your intellectual DISHONESTY is very unbecoming.
In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'
His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]
Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.
Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.
What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:
It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...
The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?
Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...
So he wasn't a Socialist who championed the ideals of his Cousin Socialist Utopian Novelist Edward Bellamy? The Edward who was the author of the American Socialist Utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
If you say so ::)
http://rocwiki.org/Francis_Bellamy (http://rocwiki.org/Francis_Bellamy)
Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931) studied at the University of Rochester and the Rochester Theological Seminary. He wrote the original "The Pledge of Allegiance" in August 1892. Bellamy was born in Mount Morris, NY and came from a long line of famous Americans: notable relatives include his cousin Edward Bellamy (novelist and political activist), and his great-grandfather Joseph Bellamy (renowned religious author and preacher during the Great Awakening).
Bellamy worked for six years as a pastor in Boston, but his radical economic and political views were not well received by his parishioners. He was an advocate of "Christian Socialism", which argued that socialist tenets were mandated by Christian doctrines. After leaving his ministry in 1891, Bellamy took a job with the Youth's Companion, a leading children's magazine. Bellamy was very conscious of his Anglo-Saxon racial background and wrote articles condemning unlimited immigration, although he tempered his xenophobic views with a call for free, universal, compulsory education aimed at creating solidarity among diverse immigrants and the native population.
After hitting upon the idea of giving away flags to sell more magazines in the late 1880s, the magazine's management launched a patriotic campaign to put flags in every school that was to culminate in the 1892 Chicago Columbian Exposition. Bellamy and his supervisor, James B. Upham, felt that the flag needed an appropriate ceremony associated with it to create the feeling of national unity that both men thought was threatened by America's changing demographics.
His original pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands—one Nation indivisible—with Liberty and Justice for all.'1 The pledge was originally begun with a military salute that turned into an outstretched hand with a raise palm at the word "flag." This was changed to a simpler hand-over-heart salute during World War II due to its distasteful associations with Germany's Nazi regime.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html)
Francis Bellamy said that one purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance was to help accomplish his lifelong goal of making his cousin's socialist fantasy a reality in America. He further stated that the "true reason for allegiance to the Flag" was to indoctrinate American school children in the false history of the American founding that was espoused first by Daniel Webster and, later, by Abraham Lincoln.
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html)
Francis Bellamy said that one purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance was to help accomplish his lifelong goal of making his cousin's socialist fantasy a reality in America. He further stated that the "true reason for allegiance to the Flag" was to indoctrinate American school children in the false history of the American founding that was espoused first by Daniel Webster and, later, by Abraham Lincoln.
whatever bellamy intended or didn't intend doesn't matter, the pledge symbolizes
a TRUE AMERICANS dedication to the
Republic for which it stands....Constitution and the bill of rights inclusive.
period
Billy
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html)
Francis Bellamy said that one purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance was to help accomplish his lifelong goal of making his cousin's socialist fantasy a reality in America. He further stated that the "true reason for allegiance to the Flag" was to indoctrinate American school children in the false history of the American founding that was espoused first by Daniel Webster and, later, by Abraham Lincoln.
Does this mean we should burn all of Aaron Copland and Shostakovich music?
Seeing how both were communists.
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 05:39:44 PM
whatever bellamy intended or didn't intend doesn't matter, the pledge symbolizes
a TRUE AMERICANS dedication to the Republic for which it stands....Constitution and the bill of rights inclusive.
period
Billy
So you're against States Rights and an advocate of centralized Government in DC?
So what's "Conservative" about that?
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 05:45:23 PM
So you're against States Rights and an advocate of centralized Government in DC?
So what's "Conservative" about that?
What so "progressive" about it?
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 05:48:06 PM
What so "progressive" about it?
Billy
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
The U.S. is a Union of 50 independent States.
It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government. Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference.
Being written by a Radical Socialist should give you a clue.
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
The U.S. is a Union of 50 independent States.
It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government. Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference.
Being written by a Radical Socialist should give you a clue.
TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS....
I don't know about which republic you live in but the one I live in stands for a DEMOCRACY backed by a Consititution.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 06:10:33 PM
TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS....
I don't know about which republic you live in but the one I live in stands for a DEMOCRACY backed by a Consititution.
Billy
Read the Pledge "One Nation"
As for "Democracy", we're a Republic.
Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it."
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html)
Constitution-based federal republic
I suggest you take a bit of basic Civics ;)
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:16:08 PM
Read the Pledge "One Nation"
As for "Democracy", we're a Republic.
Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it."
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html)
Constitution-based federal republic
I suggest you take a bit of basic Civics ;)
If you can't understand "the Republic" is based upon the Consitituion, you are the one who needs a civics class.
When one pledges to the Republic for which it stands, you are pledging part and parcel to the uphold Constitution.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 06:24:02 PM
If you can't understand "the Republic" is based upon the Consitituion, you are the one who needs a civics class.
When one pledges to the Republic for which it stands, you are pledging part and parcel to the uphold Constitution.
Billy
I'm not the one who said that we're a Democracy, you were hence my suggestion you take a civics class.
Also you seem to have a comprehension problem, the focus is "One Nation".
Here, I'll quote my response -
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
The U.S. is a Union of 50 independent States.
It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government. Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference.
Being written by a Radical Socialist should give you a clue.
We do live in one nation, made up of 50 independent states, under a republican form of government.
Quotere·pub·lic
[ri-puhb-lik] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
2.
any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.
3.
a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.
4.
( initial capital letter ) any of the five periods of republican government in France. Compare First Republic, Second Republic, Third Republic, Fourth Republic, Fifth Republic.
5.
( initial capital letter, italics ) a philosophical dialogue (4th century b.c.) by Plato dealing with the composition and structure of the ideal state.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/republic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/republic)
Another thought: Forcing someone to say something they don't want to is in direct contradiction with the first amendment, and in a courtroom, which the fifth amendment is designed to rule, is shameful. I realize emotions are involved here, but remember, we are a nation of laws, and not men.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that no school child may be compelled to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. This preceded the 1954 U.S. law adding "under God" to that Pledge, and remains in effect today.
The judge is full of crap. He reportedly did it again the following day, likely bringing this to a lawsuit and ultimately a slap from higher judges.
Quote from: quiller on October 08, 2010, 06:11:11 AM
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that no school child may be compelled to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. This preceded the 1954 U.S. law adding "under God" to that Pledge, and remains in effect today.
The judge is full of crap. He reportedly did it again the following day, likely bringing this to a lawsuit and ultimately a slap from higher judges.
And I was thinking we had them all in the 9th ;D
My imagination might be playing tricks on me here, but as I recall, it was a Texas judge who got impeached and removed for using sex toys on himself during actual trials. You might be right.
Quote from: Harry on October 08, 2010, 12:58:50 AM
We do live in one nation, made up of 50 independent states, under a republican form of government.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/republic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/republic)
Really?
Preamble
We the People of the United States
, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
OK if you say so
Then what's all the fuss about "States Rights"?
Another NEA-educated liberal.
America is a constitutional representative republic, not a democracy.
ok, I cant stand it any more,lol. Good the judge tossed the attorney in jail.yep I know it will create havoic and probably on a law issue will.. court= judge=attorney==justice. Justice being the key word here. Since there is so much define this and that,,,how about this,,,have you heard Red Skelton explain just what the pledge means? If not ok, here it is....
Red & The Pledge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPbIls0iOnI#)
It seems to me that if a judge wants the pledge spoken in his/her court room so be it...that court room is supposed to be "justice for all"
maybe it's their way of settin the page before it even starts.
then again---I could be wrong...
;)
Elfie, Thank You sooo much for posting that, he is an excellent example of a fine American.
I miss that man.
Not to mention, prophetic.
Quote from: quiller on October 08, 2010, 09:12:43 AM
Another NEA-educated liberal.
America is a constitutional representative republic, not a democracy.
Yep, as I posted here and people still don't seem to have a clue -
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
The U.S. is a Union of 50 independent States.
It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government. Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference.
Being written by a Radical Socialist should give you a clue.
People also don't seem to have the ability to read either -
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 08:11:55 AM
Really?
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
OK if you say so
Then what's all the fuss about "States Rights"?
Do you know what the word union means?
I have to wonder if this is the judges form of swearing in, something that is required.
Now I don't know if it's customary, or a law, but I know when ever I had to attend court, which was more than 5o times, I was sworn in.
Quote from: Harry on October 08, 2010, 10:47:56 AM
Do you know what the word union means?
You mean like the European Union?
Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 11:04:09 AM
You mean like the European Union?
You know exactly what I mean.
Quote from: Harry on October 08, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
You know exactly what I mean.
Aaah yeah, like in the context of governments which if you didn't know the European Union is and the Constitution also defines ???
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every
State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
You do know that States have their "Own" Constitution don't you? If they weren't independent States then why would they require their own Constitution eh?
Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
Aaah yeah, like in the context of governments which if you didn't know the European Union is and the Constitution also defines ???
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
You do know that States have their "Own" Constitution don't you? If they weren't independent States then why would they require their own Constitution eh?
What the hell are you talking about?
Quote from: Harry on October 08, 2010, 12:23:07 PM
What the hell are you talking about?
That we're 50 States with their own government forming a Union, you know like Europe has been trying to form with their European Union?
Further supported by not only the Constitution -
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every
State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
But furthermore backed by the Federalist Papers, start with -
FEDERALIST No. 23
The Necessity of a Government as Energetic as the One Proposed to the Preservation of the Union
We're NOT one single Nation, we are a Union of Individual States
I'm rather anal retentive about this due to as I stated earlier -
"It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government. Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference."
Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
That we're 50 States with their own government forming a Union, you know like Europe has been trying to form with their European Union?
Further supported by not only the Constitution -
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
But furthermore backed by the Federalist Papers, start with -
FEDERALIST No. 23
The Necessity of a Government as Energetic as the One Proposed to the Preservation of the Union
We're NOT one single Nation, we are a Union of Individual States
I'm rather anal retentive about this due to as I stated earlier -
"It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government. Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference."
Yeah, that's what I said.
Quote from: Harry on October 08, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
Yeah, that's what I said.
OK then I miss interpreted the response.
Cheers
Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:42:39 PM
I'm not the one who said that we're a Democracy, you were hence my suggestion you take a civics class.
Also you seem to have a comprehension problem, the focus is "One Nation".
Here, I'll quote my response -
So we don't practise democracy in our republic..... ::)
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 08, 2010, 06:01:09 PM
So we don't practise democracy in our republic..... ::)
Billy
We are a Republic
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html)
Constitution-based federal republic
U.S. Constitution
Article IV
Section 4 - Republican government
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Simply put. Who formed the union? The States or the people in aggregate.
What is the Constitution but a compact between the states?
Quote from: Pagan on October 08, 2010, 11:47:23 PM
We are a Republic
So is Cambodia.....and Vietnam for that matter.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 09, 2010, 06:41:49 PM
So is Cambodia.....and Vietnam for that matter.
Billy
And your point is? ???
I think Billy's point is, a republic---if you can keep it.
Quote from: quiller on October 10, 2010, 08:01:59 AM
I think Billy's point is, a republic---if you can keep it.
Truthfully, we stopped being a federated republic at Appomattox.
Quote from: Shooterman on October 10, 2010, 08:16:57 AM
Truthfully, we stopped being a federated republic at Appomattox.
What unit were you with? ;)
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Couldn't resist that'n. As mentioned, I have no ancestral dog in that fight. We are what we are. A republic, if we can keep it.
Quote from: quiller on October 10, 2010, 08:32:48 AM
What unit were you with? ;)
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Couldn't resist that'n. As mentioned, I have no ancestral dog in that fight. We are what we are. A republic, if we can keep it.
My second Great Grandpap was with Hood's Brigade.
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 09, 2010, 06:41:49 PM
So is Cambodia.....and Vietnam for that matter.
Billy
The point is you cannot be a "republic" without being a democracy and elect
freely your representantives, the two overlap.
Those places (and a few others) are republics, however, they do not have constitutionally protected freedoms and their "democratic" process is limited to votes for those who are connected to the "Party" which still have to be approved by a committee.
In other words they are not a Democracy.
Billy