Hope o b goes to Mississippi soon.   ;D  ;D  ;D


TUPELO, Miss. — A Mississippi judge ordered an attorney to spend several hours in jail Wednesday after the attorney chose not to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in court. The Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal reported that Chancery Judge Talmadge Littlejohn told a court audience to rise and say the pledge. People in the courtroom said Danny Lampley of Oxford stood but did not say the words.

Records show Lampley was booked into the Lee County jail at 9:40 a.m. and released about 2:30 p.m. on the judge's orders.



Information from: Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal

  Good...the shitbag should be disbarred...liberal lawyers are the enablers ruining this country...if there was only one thing I could disband immediately it would be the ACLU

So the Pledge of Allegiance which was written by a Socialist Francis Bellamy cousin to Socialist Utopian Edward Bellamy sure is a "Conservative" standard, why?  ???

Here is the pledge given with the "original" Bellamy Salute (before it was changed to hand over the heart).

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 03:52:18 PM
So the Pledge of Allegiance which was written by a Socialist Francis Bellamy cousin to Socialist Utopian Edward Bellamy sure is a "Conservative" standard, why?  ???
Here is the pledge given with the "original" Bellamy Salute (before it was changed to hand over the heart).

Well, Pagan, if you're going to pick and choose your facts concerning the origins of the Pledge Of Allegiance, it's my duty to tell the WHOLE story.  Your intellectual DISHONESTY is very unbecoming.


In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 07, 2010, 05:10:20 PM
Well, Pagan, if you're going to pick and choose your facts concerning the origins of the Pledge Of Allegiance, it's my duty to tell the WHOLE story.  Your intellectual DISHONESTY is very unbecoming.


In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...

So he wasn't a Socialist who championed the ideals of his Cousin Socialist Utopian Novelist Edward Bellamy?  The Edward who was the author of the American Socialist Utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

If you say so  ::)

http://rocwiki.org/Francis_Bellamy

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931) studied at the University of Rochester and the Rochester Theological Seminary. He wrote the original "The Pledge of Allegiance" in August 1892. Bellamy was born in Mount Morris, NY and came from a long line of famous Americans: notable relatives include his cousin Edward Bellamy (novelist and political activist), and his great-grandfather Joseph Bellamy (renowned religious author and preacher during the Great Awakening).

Bellamy worked for six years as a pastor in Boston, but his radical economic and political views were not well received by his parishioners. He was an advocate of "Christian Socialism", which argued that socialist tenets were mandated by Christian doctrines. After leaving his ministry in 1891, Bellamy took a job with the Youth's Companion, a leading children's magazine. Bellamy was very conscious of his Anglo-Saxon racial background and wrote articles condemning unlimited immigration, although he tempered his xenophobic views with a call for free, universal, compulsory education aimed at creating solidarity among diverse immigrants and the native population.

After hitting upon the idea of giving away flags to sell more magazines in the late 1880s, the magazine's management launched a patriotic campaign to put flags in every school that was to culminate in the 1892 Chicago Columbian Exposition. Bellamy and his supervisor, James B. Upham, felt that the flag needed an appropriate ceremony associated with it to create the feeling of national unity that both men thought was threatened by America's changing demographics.

His original pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands—one Nation indivisible—with Liberty and Justice for all.'1 The pledge was originally begun with a military salute that turned into an outstretched hand with a raise palm at the word "flag." This was changed to a simpler hand-over-heart salute during World War II due to its distasteful associations with Germany's Nazi regime.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html

Francis Bellamy said that one purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance was to help accomplish his lifelong goal of making his cousin's socialist fantasy a reality in America. He further stated that the "true reason for allegiance to the Flag" was to indoctrinate American school children in the false history of the American founding that was espoused first by Daniel Webster and, later, by Abraham Lincoln.

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html

Francis Bellamy said that one purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance was to help accomplish his lifelong goal of making his cousin's socialist fantasy a reality in America. He further stated that the "true reason for allegiance to the Flag" was to indoctrinate American school children in the false history of the American founding that was espoused first by Daniel Webster and, later, by Abraham Lincoln.

whatever bellamy intended or didn't intend doesn't matter, the pledge symbolizes
a TRUE AMERICANS dedication to the Republic for which it stands....Constitution and the bill of rights inclusive.

period

Billy

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo54.html

Francis Bellamy said that one purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance was to help accomplish his lifelong goal of making his cousin's socialist fantasy a reality in America. He further stated that the "true reason for allegiance to the Flag" was to indoctrinate American school children in the false history of the American founding that was espoused first by Daniel Webster and, later, by Abraham Lincoln.

Does this mean we should burn all of Aaron Copland and Shostakovich music?
Seeing how both were communists.

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 05:39:44 PM


whatever bellamy intended or didn't intend doesn't matter, the pledge symbolizes
a TRUE AMERICANS dedication to the Republic for which it stands....Constitution and the bill of rights inclusive.

period

Billy

So you're against States Rights and an advocate of centralized Government in DC?

So what's "Conservative" about that?

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 05:45:23 PM
So you're against States Rights and an advocate of centralized Government in DC?

So what's "Conservative" about that?

What so "progressive" about it?


Billy

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 05:48:06 PM

What so "progressive" about it?


Billy

pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The U.S. is a Union of 50 independent States.

It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government.  Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference.

Being written by a Radical Socialist should give you a clue.

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The U.S. is a Union of 50 independent States.

It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government.  Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference.

Being written by a Radical Socialist should give you a clue.

TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS....

I don't know about which republic you live in but the one I live in stands for a DEMOCRACY backed by a Consititution.


Billy

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 06:10:33 PM

TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS....

I don't know about which republic you live in but the one I live in stands for a DEMOCRACY backed by a Consititution.

Billy

Read the Pledge "One Nation"

As for "Democracy", we're a Republic.

Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it."

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Constitution-based federal republic

I suggest you take a bit of basic Civics ;)

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:16:08 PM
Read the Pledge "One Nation"

As for "Democracy", we're a Republic.

Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it."

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Constitution-based federal republic

I suggest you take a bit of basic Civics ;)

If you can't understand "the Republic" is based upon the Consitituion, you are the one who needs a civics class.


When one pledges to the Republic for which it stands, you are pledging part and parcel to the uphold Constitution.


Billy

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 07, 2010, 06:24:02 PM

If you can't understand "the Republic" is based upon the Consitituion, you are the one who needs a civics class.


When one pledges to the Republic for which it stands, you are pledging part and parcel to the uphold Constitution.


Billy

I'm not the one who said that we're a Democracy, you were hence my suggestion you take a civics class.

Also you seem to have a comprehension problem, the focus is "One Nation".

Here, I'll quote my response -

Quote from: Pagan on October 07, 2010, 06:02:21 PM
pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The U.S. is a Union of 50 independent States.

It's all about the indoctrination of the people to accept one powerful central government.  Just like the indoctrination that we are a Democracy when in fact we're a Republic, there's a big difference.

Being written by a Radical Socialist should give you a clue.