Quote from: Yawn on May 30, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
I judge you by comparing your words with the Founders.

Oh you mean people like Thomas Paine who was an atheist, Thomas Jefferson who created the concept of "separation of church and state," or Benjamin Franklin who was a big believer in secular education.  I could go on and on. Most founders did believe in God (which doesn't bother me at all.) But they also believed in reason, science, and common sense. They were not the ultra-religious fundamentalists that some here would like to think they were.  Hence the reason why we do have no nationally mandated religions, freedom of speech and belief (or lack of belief), secular public education, etc.

You make a lot of assumptions based on your religious bigotry and hate. Ill deal with them this evening. Its hard to argue using my phone

Religious bigotry? Nope, I don't mind the religious as long as they keep religion to themselves, their homes, and their churches/temples/mosques/etc. (where it belongs) and away from public education, politics, and the law (where it doesn't belong).

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
You've lost the argument before it even began. I've never attacked anyone personally here, but I've noticed some people are quick to personally attack anyone who says anything they disagree with. I'd be happy to get into a detailed discussion, but not with someone who results to cheap insults as a way to "prove" their point.

Forgive me if I don't engage in elementary school level shouting matches and name calling. It's not my style.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Thank God (figure of speech). That nutcase of a woman is terrifying. The Rep party needs to get rid of the loons like her if we are ever going to go back to the Party of Reagan.

Yeah... way to take the high road, hypocrite.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
Calling me a liberal don't make me a liberal.

Behaving like one does, liberal.

Taxed, is Michelle Bachmann here on this forum? If not then  haven't personally attacked her. There is a huge difference between attacking another member of this forum personally (which if I may add is against forum rules too) and criticizing a public figure.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 02:10:14 PM
Taxed, is Michelle Bachmann here on this forum? If not then  haven't personally attacked her. There is a huge difference between attacking another member of this forum personally (which if I may add is against forum rules too) and criticizing a public figure.

You attacked a conservative lady.  It doesn't matter if she's on this forum or not.  Quit being a hypocrite and learn to debate.

Quote from: taxed on May 30, 2013, 02:11:03 PM
You attacked a conservative lady.  It doesn't matter if she's on this forum or not.  Quit being a hypocrite and learn to debate.

Surely there are far better Conservative ladies out there that we can use as an example to others, instead of Bachmann and Palin. The governor of Oklahoma comes to mind. I rather like her, and she seemed very smart and composed from what we saw last week.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
Surely there are far better Conservative ladies out there that we can use as an example to others, instead of Bachmann and Palin. The governor of Oklahoma comes to mind. I rather like her, and she seemed very smart and composed from what we saw last week.

How would she be better than Palin?  Do tell...

Quote from: taxed on May 30, 2013, 02:05:36 PM


Yeah... way to take the high road, hypocrite.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 01:27:08 PM
Religious bigotry? Nope, I don't mind the religious as long as they keep religion to themselves, their homes, and their churches/temples/mosques/etc. (where it belongs) and away from public education, politics, and the law (where it doesn't belong).

I've addressed this in the Religion Forum. YOU believe religion should be "kept in its place." So why are your anti-religion posts made in the Political forum?

Anyway, argue your points against religion over there. It's where I'll address your points.

I do have one question though. Do you believe the tens of millions of Christians should give up their right to vote? Do you think THEY should have no say in their government? Do you believe, like the Muslims, that Christians and Jews are SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, and deserve no voice in the operation of their government?

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
Surely there are far better Conservative ladies out there that we can use as an example to others, instead of Bachmann and Palin. The governor of Oklahoma comes to mind. I rather like her, and she seemed very smart and composed from what we saw last week.

Do "we" have your permission to like Bachmann and Palin? Or do we need you approval?

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 01:04:01 PM
Oh you mean people like Thomas Paine who was an atheist, Thomas Jefferson who created the concept of "separation of church and state," or Benjamin Franklin who was a big believer in secular education.  I could go on and on. Most founders did believe in God (which doesn't bother me at all.) But they also believed in reason, science, and common sense. They were not the ultra-religious fundamentalists that some here would like to think they were.  Hence the reason why we do have no nationally mandated religions, freedom of speech and belief (or lack of belief), secular public education, etc.

You really believe your secular beliefs led to the freedoms you enjoy in America? It is Christianity that led to the recognition of Rights coming from GOD and not the State.

Quote from: Yawn on May 30, 2013, 04:36:12 PM
Do you believe the tens of millions of Christians should give up their right to vote? Do you think THEY should have no say in their government? Do you believe, like the Muslims, that Christians and Jews are SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, and deserve no voice in the operation of their government?

Do you believe in putting words in peoples' mouths? No one is claiming anyone should be a second class citizen or not allowed to vote because of religious beliefs. I believe in the dignity of all human beings. Naturally some forfeit rights due to their actions (ie. murderers, rapists, terrorists, violent felons) in the interest of protecting the greater social good, but other than that no human being should be a second class citizen.

But I have no respect for legislators who want to impose their religious views on others. Here is a gem. This guy is in the science committee in Congress, and admits that he votes against scientific projects because in his opinion the science is not found in the Bible or goes against what his religious views are. Why should he deny scientific progress for others because he feels a need to defend a 2,500 year old book written by Iron Age goat herders in Israel?

In that respect, religious discussion does belong here, because people like this congressman want to play scientist even though he doesn't even know or understand the first thing about science.

Rep. Paul Broun Says Evolution, Embryology, and Big Bang Theory are "Lies from the Pit of Hell"

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
You've lost the argument before it even began. I've never attacked anyone personally here, but I've noticed some people are quick to personally attack anyone who says anything they disagree with. I'd be happy to get into a detailed discussion, but not with someone who results to cheap insults as a way to "prove" their point.

Forgive me if I don't engage in elementary school level shouting matches and name calling. It's not my style.

Still waiting to hear what it was you found so repulsive about Palin.