Rather than start a new thread for every topic brought covered in Memes, I figured it would be easier to have a "catch-all" thread.
So.... who the f**K is Rich Baris and why should I care/trust anything he Tweets?
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Baris is one of the most accurate pollsters out there.
The real question is, can you back up the link? You did post it, after all. :biggrin:
Quote from: ZenMode on June 29, 2023, 09:37:42 AMRather than start a new thread for every topic brought covered in Memes, I figured it would be easier to have a "catch-all" thread.
So.... who the f**K is Rich Baris and why should I care/trust anything he Tweets?
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Have you ever thought about doing your own research? After all these are memes, while there is a bit of truth in most of them, many of them hit the subject right on the money, they are not fact checked. Stop acting like a kid and learn somethings on your own.
Quote from: ZenMode on June 29, 2023, 09:37:42 AMRather than start a new thread for every topic brought covered in Memes, I figured it would be easier to have a "catch-all" thread.
So.... who the f**K is Rich Baris and why should I care/trust anything he Tweets?
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He does a show called "Inside the Numbers", and with Robert Barnes called "What are the Odds?". I've learned more about how polling works and that industry in general from him than I have my life of following politics.
The meme doesn't provide EO numbers. I was able to find one of Trump's OE's regarding trafficking - EO 13903 (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/02/05/2020-02438/combating-human-trafficking-and-online-child-exploitation-in-the-united-states)
This link (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/05/14/executive-order-on-the-revocation-of-certain-presidential-actions-and-technical-amendment/#:~:text=The%20following%20Presidential%20actions%20are,3%2C%202020%20(Building%20and%20Rebuilding) shows all of the EO's the Biden rescinded and none of them was 13903.
I'm not sure what the second one was, but nothing on the list that Biden rescinded seems to be anything related to trafficking.
An internet meme lied. Shocking.
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Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 02:00:01 PMThe meme doesn't provide EO numbers. I was able to find one of Trump's OE's regarding trafficking - EO 13903 (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/02/05/2020-02438/combating-human-trafficking-and-online-child-exploitation-in-the-united-states)
This link (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/05/14/executive-order-on-the-revocation-of-certain-presidential-actions-and-technical-amendment/#:~:text=The%20following%20Presidential%20actions%20are,3%2C%202020%20(Building%20and%20Rebuilding) shows all of the EO's the Biden rescinded and none of them was 13903.
I'm not sure what the second one was, but nothing on the list that Biden rescinded seems to be anything related to trafficking.
An internet meme lied. Shocking.
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https://www.stardem.com/news/national/biden-pressed-to-reverse-ending-trump-program-aimed-at-arresting-deporting-undocumented-sex-offenders/article_177d6da1-0780-52ea-8c83-72462c4125cd.html
QuoteA coalition of Republican attorneys general are upset with President Joe Biden over his administration canceling a Trump administration program that looked to arrest and deport convicted sex offenders who are illegally in the U.S.
Quote"Our letter urges President Biden to reverse his cancellation of Operation Talon which played a critical role in combating human trafficking and protecting innocent lives in America," said Arkansas Attorney General Leslie Rutledge.
Took me less than 30 seconds to find that. How come you can never find anything but liberal talking points?
Quote from: Possum on July 12, 2023, 02:11:09 PMhttps://www.stardem.com/news/national/biden-pressed-to-reverse-ending-trump-program-aimed-at-arresting-deporting-undocumented-sex-offenders/article_177d6da1-0780-52ea-8c83-72462c4125cd.html
Took me less than 30 seconds to find that. How come you can never find anything but liberal talking points?
:bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Possum on July 12, 2023, 02:11:09 PMhttps://www.stardem.com/news/national/biden-pressed-to-reverse-ending-trump-program-aimed-at-arresting-deporting-undocumented-sex-offenders/article_177d6da1-0780-52ea-8c83-72462c4125cd.html
Took me less than 30 seconds to find that. How come you can never find anything but liberal talking points?
Operation Talon isn't an Executive Order, as the meme references. It was put in place by Trump as part of an existing DHS initiative (SOAR) to find and deport illegal sex offenders.
So, the meme, until proven otherwise, is a lie on one verified EO claim with the second unknown.
Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 03:02:43 PMOperation Talon isn't an Executive Order, as the meme references. It was put in place by Trump as part of an existing DHS initiative (SOAR) to find and deport illegal sex offenders.
So, the meme, until proven otherwise, is a lie on one verified EO claim with the second unknown.
Heart of the matter, Biden cancelled a program that Trump used to help catch and stop child trafficking. Stop acting like such a dumbass.
Quote from: Possum on July 12, 2023, 03:17:37 PMHeart of the matter, Biden cancelled a program that Trump used to help catch and stop child trafficking. Stop acting like such a dumbass.
maybe...maybe not
A month into U.S. President Joe Biden's administration, posts circulated on social media claiming that the new president had canceled Operation Talon, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) initiative aimed at deporting sex offenders living in the United States illegally. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) told Reuters the operation was not canceled but postponed, and the logistical decision to do so was made by ICE operators, not the president.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-operation-talon-idUSKCN2AT3KS
Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 04:41:15 PMmaybe...maybe not
A month into U.S. President Joe Biden's administration, posts circulated on social media claiming that the new president had canceled Operation Talon, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) initiative aimed at deporting sex offenders living in the United States illegally. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) told Reuters the operation was not canceled but postponed, and the logistical decision to do so was made by ICE operators, not the president.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-operation-talon-idUSKCN2AT3KS
Sorry, wrong again. The article states Biden cancelled the program, all the ruckus was from governors, DOJ, law enforcement, who were writing to get Biden to reinstate the program.
QuoteThe letter to the White House closes with, "We urge you to immediately reinstate Operation Talon, adopt an aggressive enforcement policy against illegal aliens convicted of sex crimes, and send a message to sexual predators that they are not welcome in the United States of America."
Imagine, Reuters being wrong about something. Again.
Quote from: Possum on July 12, 2023, 04:51:50 PMSorry, wrong again. The article states Biden cancelled the program, all the ruckus was from governors, DOJ, law enforcement, who were writing to get Biden to reinstate the program.
Imagine, Reuters being wrong about something. Again.
there's no way to know for sure what the actual story is. If the governor's thought Biden cancel the program, it makes sense that they would write letters. Maybe Biden didn't cancel the program and it was just postponed by DHS. Either way, the meme was wrong.
Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 05:13:11 PMthere's no way to know for sure what the actual story is. If the governor's thought Biden cancel the program, it makes sense that they would write letters. Maybe Biden didn't cancel the program and it was just postponed by DHS. Either way, the meme was wrong.
Right, everyone else was wrong. The governors, the law enforcement, the DOJ's all of them were wrong. Damn kid, the program was cancelled! Calling it a "postponement" saying it was "reinstated" is just covering up for what Biden did. If you pay any attention to this administration you would know what a cover your ass looks like.
Do you even read what you post before sending?
Quote from: Possum on July 12, 2023, 05:56:16 PMRight, everyone else was wrong. The governors, the law enforcement, the DOJ's all of them were wrong. Damn kid, the program was cancelled! Calling it a "postponement" saying it was "reinstated" is just covering up for what Biden did. If you pay any attention to this administration you would know what a cover your ass looks like.
Do you even read what you post before sending?
Whether or not it was cancelled or postponed is irrelevant. The meme was lying.
Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 06:10:25 PMWhether or not it was cancelled or postponed is irrelevant. The meme was lying.
Did the program exist before?
Quote from: taxed on July 12, 2023, 06:37:42 PMDid the program exist before?
Two separate topics. The meme claims Biden rescinded 2 Trump EO's. There is no support for that.
The Operation Talon was not an EO. We don't know if it was cancelled or postponed.
Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 08:25:43 PMTwo separate topics. The meme claims Biden rescinded 2 Trump EO's. There is no support for that.
The Operation Talon was not an EO. We don't know if it was cancelled or postponed.
So you posted a Meme, just to attack it? talk about the epitome of burning your own strawman... :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :stomp
Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 08:25:43 PMTwo separate topics. The meme claims Biden rescinded 2 Trump EO's. There is no support for that.
The Operation Talon was not an EO. We don't know if it was cancelled or postponed.
Since you are saying it might have been postponed, show us where it was reinstated.
Quote from: Possum on July 13, 2023, 05:34:29 AMSince you are saying it might have been postponed, show us where it was reinstated.
I never said it was reinstated. I said there are conflicting stories. One side saying cancelled. The other saying postponed.
Either way, the meme is a lie
Quote from: ZenMode on July 13, 2023, 06:35:22 AMI never said it was reinstated. I said there are conflicting stories. One side saying cancelled. The other saying postponed.
Either way, the meme is a lie
The truth is Biden cancelled a program that helped to curb child trafficking. Whether the meme called it an E.O. is irrelevant, maybe not to you, but defiantly to the children involved. You are a typical liberal, you look for the most irrelevant reason to pretend the truth does not exist, all the while the truth is smacking you in the face.
Quote from: Possum on July 13, 2023, 06:41:29 AMThe truth is Biden cancelled a program that helped to curb child trafficking. Whether the meme called it an E.O. is irrelevant, maybe not to you, but defiantly to the children involved. You are a typical liberal, you look for the most irrelevant reason to pretend the truth does not exist, all the while the truth is smacking you in the face.
Except that there's already a similar program (SOAR) that is doing the same thing.
This program, and Operation Talon, don't seem to have anything to do with trafficking, which is specifically what the meme referenced along with Executive Orders.
ICE announces the latest results of Operation SOAR, targeting noncitizen sex offendersWASHINGTON –
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 302 sex offenders to date as part of a national enforcement effort called Operation SOAR (Sex Offender Arrest and Removal), officials announced Monday.Operation SOAR is a coordinated enforcement operation that builds on ongoing efforts to arrest and remove noncitizen sex offenders from our communities.
"Our officers have prioritized the arrest of noncitizens who pose the greatest threat to the security and safety of our communities," said ICE Acting Director Tae Johnson. "By focusing our resources on those who have committed sex crimes and demonstrated predatory behavior, we reinforce our steadfast commitment to enhancing public safety across the United States."
In support of this endeavor, ERO's Fugitive Operations Support Center has spearheaded a collaborative effort with the ERO Law Enforcement Support Center to identify criminal noncitizens who are registered as sex offenders.
In accordance with the civil immigration enforcement priorities, ICE is focusing its limited resources on national security, border security, and public safety.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-announces-latest-results-operation-soar-targeting-noncitizen-sex-offenders
November of last year.
21 noncitizen sex offenders apprehended in Los Angeles area during national ICE operation targeting unlawfully present sexual predators
LOS ANGELES — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) Los Angeles Field Office arrested 21 noncitizen sex offenders from Oct. 22 to Nov. 4 during a national operation targeting unlawfully present individuals who were previously convicted of sex offenses.
The arrests were made under Operation SOAR (Sex Offender Arrest and Removal), a coordinated fugitive operations initiative that prioritizes the arrest and removal of unlawfully present convicted sex offenders.
"The 21 individuals taken into custody represent the most heinous criminal activity facing our communities and our children. ERO Los Angeles' fugitive operation officers will doggedly pursue any noncitizen that choses to not only flout U.S. immigration laws but seek to take predatory action against vulnerable children," said ERO Los Angeles Field Office Director Thomas Giles.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/21-noncitizen-sex-offenders-apprehended-los-angeles-area-during-national-ice
Quote from: ZenMode on July 13, 2023, 08:10:18 AMExcept that there's already a similar program (SOAR) that is doing the same thing.
This program, and Operation Talon, don't seem to have anything to do with trafficking, which is specifically what the meme referenced along with Executive Orders.
ICE announces the latest results of Operation SOAR, targeting noncitizen sex offenders
WASHINGTON – U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 302 sex offenders to date as part of a national enforcement effort called Operation SOAR (Sex Offender Arrest and Removal), officials announced Monday.
Operation SOAR is a coordinated enforcement operation that builds on ongoing efforts to arrest and remove noncitizen sex offenders from our communities.
"Our officers have prioritized the arrest of noncitizens who pose the greatest threat to the security and safety of our communities," said ICE Acting Director Tae Johnson. "By focusing our resources on those who have committed sex crimes and demonstrated predatory behavior, we reinforce our steadfast commitment to enhancing public safety across the United States."
In support of this endeavor, ERO's Fugitive Operations Support Center has spearheaded a collaborative effort with the ERO Law Enforcement Support Center to identify criminal noncitizens who are registered as sex offenders.
In accordance with the civil immigration enforcement priorities, ICE is focusing its limited resources on national security, border security, and public safety.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-announces-latest-results-operation-soar-targeting-noncitizen-sex-offenders
Since Biden opened the borders, drug trafficking is way up, child trafficking is way up, cartel crime is way up, criminals are walking across the border and you are believing the bull crap the the left tells you. Anyone can see the border is out of control! Operation Talon was, according to law enforcement, DOJ, and the governors, a very useful tool to catch child traffickers. They begged Biden not to cancel it, he did anyway.
Any who.... memes aren't news. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Possum on July 13, 2023, 09:33:24 AMSince Biden opened the borders, drug trafficking is way up, child trafficking is way up, cartel crime is way up, criminals are walking across the border and you are believing the bull crap the the left tells you. Anyone can see the border is out of control! Operation Talon was, according to law enforcement, DOJ, and the governors, a very useful tool to catch child traffickers. They begged Biden not to cancel it, he did anyway.
Did you bother to check the date on that article? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2023, 02:07:44 PMDid you bother to check the date on that article? :rolleyes:
??
https://www.stardem.com/news/national/biden-pressed-to-reverse-ending-trump-program-aimed-at-arresting-deporting-undocumented-sex-offenders/article_177d6da1-0780-52ea-8c83-72462c4125cd.html Feb. 21 2021
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-operation-talon-idUSKCN2AT3KS March 1 2021
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-announces-latest-results-operation-soar-targeting-noncitizen-sex-offenders July 26 2021
What am I missing?
Quote from: Possum on July 13, 2023, 02:20:04 PM??
https://www.stardem.com/news/national/biden-pressed-to-reverse-ending-trump-program-aimed-at-arresting-deporting-undocumented-sex-offenders/article_177d6da1-0780-52ea-8c83-72462c4125cd.html Feb. 21 2021
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-operation-talon-idUSKCN2AT3KS March 1 2021
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-announces-latest-results-operation-soar-targeting-noncitizen-sex-offenders July 26 2021
What am I missing?
My bad, that was meant for Zen's post.
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2023, 02:07:44 PMDid you bother to check the date on that article? :rolleyes:
Yes. I also posted a second link from last November.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/21-noncitizen-sex-offenders-apprehended-los-angeles-area-during-national-ice
Quote from: ZenMode on July 13, 2023, 02:50:05 PMYes. I also posted a second link from last November.
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/21-noncitizen-sex-offenders-apprehended-los-angeles-area-during-national-ice
Apparently it was canceled, but reinstated.
(https://html.scribdassets.com/9dfg2s5aio8g0vsv/images/1-968ab4072b.jpg)
https://abcnews4.com/news/local/ag-wilson-urges-biden-to-reverse-cancellation-of-ice-operation-on-convicted-sex-offenders
So in fact, the Meme wasn't a lie after all. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 08:25:43 PMTwo separate topics. The meme claims Biden rescinded 2 Trump EO's. There is no support for that.
The Operation Talon was not an EO. We don't know if it was cancelled or postponed.
Did it exist?
Again...the referenced meme was inaccurate. Biden didn't undo any EO's related to trafficking.
Quote from: ZenMode on July 14, 2023, 04:05:45 PMAgain...the referenced meme was inaccurate. Biden didn't undo any EO's related to trafficking.
Technically, but it was still accurate.
Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2023, 05:02:00 PMTechnically, but it was still accurate.
Not really. The meme references EOs related to trafficking. Even if Operation Talon was completely axed, it was a program related to deporting illegal sex offenders from the US. That something different than trafficking.
Quote from: ZenMode on July 17, 2023, 06:10:39 AMNot really. The meme references EOs related to trafficking. Even if Operation Talon was completely axed, it was a program related to deporting illegal sex offenders from the US. That something different than trafficking.
Operation Talon originated in the Trump administration, not congress nor ICE who the operation was given to. So you are really splitting hairs here by claiming it was not an E.O. What would you call it then? We do know Biden issued an E.O. to cancel the program, that is on record. We also know O.T. was used by many in L.E. and different agencies to help curb child trafficking, yes the program was to also catch sex offenders but it WAS USED to catch traffickers. We also know Biden's policies on the border have caused child trafficking, drugs ETC. to sky rocket. Yet YOU are stuck on the word E.O. Funny how one dumbass can bring down the average I.Q. for the forum.
Quote from: ZenMode on July 17, 2023, 06:10:39 AMNot really. The meme references EOs related to trafficking. Even if Operation Talon was completely axed, it was a program related to deporting illegal sex offenders from the US. That something different than trafficking.
Nope, Possum got it Right.
Like I said: "Technically, but it was still accurate."
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2023, 11:39:21 AMNope, Possum got it Right.
Like I said: "Technically, but it was still accurate."
Yes, Possum was technically right. He would have so been right if I said "Biden didn't undo any EOs related to trafficking" and he said "Cocaine was found at the White House".
The meme lied. Memes aren't news or facts.
Meme's are jokes of the truth.
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Quote from: ZenMode on July 12, 2023, 02:00:01 PMThe meme doesn't provide EO numbers. I was able to find one of Trump's OE's regarding trafficking - EO 13903 (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/02/05/2020-02438/combating-human-trafficking-and-online-child-exploitation-in-the-united-states)
This link (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/05/14/executive-order-on-the-revocation-of-certain-presidential-actions-and-technical-amendment/#:~:text=The%20following%20Presidential%20actions%20are,3%2C%202020%20(Building%20and%20Rebuilding) shows all of the EO's the Biden rescinded and none of them was 13903.
I'm not sure what the second one was, but nothing on the list that Biden rescinded seems to be anything related to trafficking.
An internet meme lied. Shocking.
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Oops
AG Wilson urges Biden to reverse cancellation of ICE operation on convicted sex offendersCHARLESTON, SC (WCIV) — South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson joined a coalition of 18 state attorneys general in urging Biden's administration to reverse their cancellation of Operation Talon, which focuses on removing convicted sex offenders living illegally in the U.S.
The letter was directed to Pres. Joe Biden, the Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, and Acting Director of ICE Tae Johnson. The effort has been spearheaded by Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt.
"We're working hard to fight human trafficking and sex crimes in South Carolina and allowing convicted sex offenders who are here illegally to remain in our country makes absolutely no sense," said Attorney General Wilson. "These trafficking and sex crimes are repugnant to human decency generally and to children specifically."
https://abcnews4.com/news/local/ag-wilson-urges-biden-to-reverse-cancellation-of-ice-operation-on-convicted-sex-offenders.
The actual letter is in the link...now tell your liberal "fat checkers" to kiss my ass.
Possum this also took me 30 seconds to find :bigl
Photoshop is a wonderful thing.
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(https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1636434426682028032/photo/1)
https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1636434426682028032?s=20
Quote from: ZenMode on August 03, 2023, 11:36:50 AMPhotoshop is a wonderful thing.
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(https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1636434426682028032/photo/1)
https://twitter.com/Scott_Wiener/status/1636434426682028032?s=20
Regardless, it's still the truth about the movement.
Quote from: Solar on August 03, 2023, 12:47:29 PMRegardless, it's still the truth about the movement.
He does understand the majority of memes are photoshopped?? Does he think you can use them in a court of law? Maybe he sees people walking around with actual thought balloons above their heads??? :scared: :lol: His snowball of credibility is rolling directly towards hell.
Quote from: Possum on August 03, 2023, 01:19:11 PMHe does understand the majority of memes are photoshopped?? Does he think you can use them in a court of law? Maybe he sees people walking around with actual thought balloons above their heads??? :scared: :lol: His snowball of credibility is rolling directly towards hell.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Thought balloons. :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
He'd claim they were somehow not real, or photoshopped. :stomp :lol: :lol: :lol:
My thought balloons never lie. :glare:
Quote from: Solar on August 03, 2023, 12:47:29 PMRegardless, it's still the truth about the movement.
I can see how you'd believe that if twitter memes are accepted as factual :rolleyes:
Quote from: ZenMode on August 03, 2023, 03:53:08 PMI can see how you'd believe that if twitter memes are accepted as factual :rolleyes:
You really have no clue. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: ZenMode on August 03, 2023, 03:53:08 PMI can see how you'd believe that if twitter memes are accepted as factual :rolleyes:
He's a mentally ill freak who preys on children!
Anything that exposes these predators for what they are is fair game.
Quote from: Possum on August 03, 2023, 05:08:36 PMYou really have no clue. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I know that I've heard about a LOT more clergy grooming and sexually assaulting children than I've heard about trannies doing the same, yet you almost never hear the Right railing on clergy.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 05:14:49 AMI know that I've heard about a LOT more clergy grooming and sexually assaulting children than I've heard about trannies doing the same, yet you almost never hear the Right railing on clergy.
Then you are not keeping up. Like I said, no clue.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 05:14:49 AMI know that I've heard about a LOT more clergy grooming and sexually assaulting children than I've heard about trannies doing the same, yet you almost never hear the Right railing on clergy.
Really? When was the last time the left went after the Marxist Pope for anything?
But I get your need for deflection, considering the fact that all of this sexual perversion is being facilitated by the Marxist left DNC.
You people own every bit of damage being done to children under the guise of 'diversity and inclusion'.
Bunch of sick fucks, is what you all are!
Perhaps it's time to dump Zen the fraud? Some might argue for keeping IT around for entertainment purposes only, but IT seems to be more of a distraction to my eyes.
Quote from: esbad63 on August 04, 2023, 09:20:25 AMPerhaps it's time to dump Zen the fraud? Some might argue for keeping IT around for entertainment purposes only, but IT seems to be more of a distraction to my eyes.
Don't want anyone with varying opinion?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 05:14:49 AMI know that I've heard about a LOT more clergy grooming and sexually assaulting children than I've heard about trannies doing the same, yet you almost never hear the Right railing on clergy.
There may have been a few cases of it over the lifetime, and the left runs with it like it's a normal practice. Meanwhile, lefties do it as a normal practice and all of a sudden there is nothing to see here. Clergy don't say "we are coming for your children", the alphabet people do. The clergy had maybe that one kid that they are with, the left go after everybody's children.
Make up your mind: are you for or against grown men grooming little boys? If you are for it, be for it. If you are against it, be against it. Don't be a hypocrite: it's not good or bad based who is doing it. Either it is good or bad based on a person's values.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 10:40:03 AMDon't want anyone with varying opinion?
You don't have a varying opinion. It sounds like you have the exact same thought as those before you and after you.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 10:33:38 AMprobably a good idea. Don't want to have any interference in the echo chamber.
You will have to bring your game up several notches just to have interference. Right now you barely register as a bad distraction. There is no hope to register as intelligent conversation. Articles posted tell where the information and the numbers come from, if you have doubts, look them up. Don't just stand there and scream you want to see them. Don't expect the article to post numbers from time beginning just because you don not want to look them up,. While you're at it, take a hard look at YOUR sources, most of what you use is straight from the LSM which has been caught time after time lying.
Quote from: esbad63 on August 04, 2023, 09:20:25 AMPerhaps it's time to dump Zen the fraud? Some might argue for keeping IT around for entertainment purposes only, but IT seems to be more of a distraction to my eyes.
I felt the same for years.
Maybe it's time that Conservatives silence lefties on the internet, instead of the other way around.
We can call it karma...
Quote from: esbad63 on August 04, 2023, 09:20:25 AMPerhaps it's time to dump Zen the fraud? Some might argue for keeping IT around for entertainment purposes only, but IT seems to be more of a distraction to my eyes.
Actually, these bots are a useful tool for our side. They lie, we prove them wrong with solid evidence.
People come to this forum for their arguments against the left. I've gotten many PM's from people thanking us for the work we do. They go back to Faceplant or some other lib site and use it in helping best their argument.
We are a teaching forum and as I'm certain you've noticed, even if we post something wrong, someone from our side will correct it.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 04, 2023, 10:44:37 AMYou don't have a varying opinion. It sounds like you have the exact same thought as those before you and after you.
Which I'm sure were banned. I wonder why.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 04, 2023, 10:41:53 AMThere may have been a few cases of it over the lifetime, and the left runs with it like it's a normal practice. Meanwhile, lefties do it as a normal practice and all of a sudden there is nothing to see here. Clergy don't say "we are coming for your children", the alphabet people do. The clergy had maybe that one kid that they are with, the left go after everybody's children.
Make up your mind: are you for or against grown men grooming little boys? If you are for it, be for it. If you are against it, be against it. Don't be a hypocrite: it's not good or bad based who is doing it. Either it is good or bad based on a person's values.
A few cases of clergy? You've got to be joking.
Of course I'm against it. The fact that I don't buy into the claim that reading book to kids is "grooming", and am aware of much, much more grooming and sexual assault by clergy, doesn't mean I support it, so maybe ease up on the strawman nonsense. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 12:13:20 PMA few cases of clergy? You've got to be joking.
Of course I'm against it. The fact that I don't buy into the claim that reading book to kids is "grooming", and am aware of much, much more grooming and sexual assault by clergy, doesn't mean I support it, so maybe ease up on the strawman nonsense. :rolleyes:
When you read books to kids, they are usually already established books for kids. Can you guaranty that is what is happening during drag queen story time? Can you guaranty that there isn't any "don't tell" type books being read instead?
Let's put the books aside: what is the goal of having gay men in drag read to little kids? When you go back to the one photo if the guy with the unicorn devel look, how is that in itself appropriate for kids?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 04, 2023, 01:26:04 PMWhen you read books to kids, they are usually already established books for kids. Can you guaranty that is what is happening during drag queen story time? Can you guaranty that there isn't any "don't tell" type books being read instead?
The burden of proof is on the prosecution.
QuoteLet's put the books aside: what is the goal of having gay men in drag read to little kids?
My guess is that they want kids to not be freaked out by trannies when they see them, but I don't know for sure.
QuoteWhen you go back to the one photo if the guy with the unicorn devel look, how is that in itself appropriate for kids?
I wouldn't take my small children to a public library when that was going on but, other than some kids likely being freaked out by his costume, what do you think is going to happen? Is he going to ask for the kids' phone number to call and hit on them?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 02:07:27 PMThe burden of proof is on the prosecution. My guess is that they want kids to not be freaked out by trannies when they see them, but I don't know for sure.
I wouldn't take my small children to a public library when that was going on but, other than some kids likely being freaked out by his costume, what do you think is going to happen? Is he going to ask for the kids' phone number to call and hit on them?
So what you are saying is they, and you, want little kids comfortable around trannies and drag queens and gay men. Why would they, and you, want that?
You wouldn't want your own kids exposed to that. So why are you running defense to support anybody else's kids being exposed that?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 04, 2023, 02:51:03 PMSo what you are saying is they, and you, want little kids comfortable around trannies and drag queens and gay men. Why would they, and you, want that?
You wouldn't want your own kids exposed to that. So why are you running defense to support anybody else's kids being exposed that?
To clarify, I wouldn't want my very young children when they were very young, to have their first experience with a tranny to be someone who is terrifying looking.
But, as far as why I want my kids to be comfortable around any people, it's because I don't want my kids to make fun of, mock or stare at anyone who is different. That may be trannies, disabled, old, midgets, fat, downs syndrome, etc.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 12:10:57 PMWhich I'm sure were banned. I wonder why.
We've never banned anyone for opposing views. We only ban when people troll and refuse to debate.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 04, 2023, 03:59:46 PMTo clarify, I wouldn't want my very young children when they were very young, to have their first experience with a tranny to be someone who is terrifying looking.
But, as far as why I want my kids to be comfortable around any people, it's because I don't want my kids to make fun of, mock or stare at anyone who is different. That may be trannies, disabled, old, midgets, fat, downs syndrome, etc.
You generally teach kids that midgets exist, and to not treat them like they are freaks. That's understandable. You see them in the street and pay them no mind.
The alphabet people (and their supporters) are all focused on sexuality, and should be kept far away from little kids. Period. Little kids can be influenced and tricked to say or do things. How can a little kid be gay or trans all of a sudden?
That's why they are so many pre-teen transgenders all of a sudden. I feel bad for Jazz Jennings due to the parents (especially the mother), and any medial personnel Jazz has interacted with growing up. I see it as no different than drag queens "reading" to little kids. The wrong adults get too close to kids with an agenda.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 03, 2023, 11:41:30 AMWell, maybe he should not be a little bitch.
And you, are the last person, who should be teaching morals to anybody. You are a fucking disgusting human being.
Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2023, 05:22:49 PMWe've never banned anyone for opposing views. We only ban when people troll and refuse to debate.
At some point, you really need to get rid of people who lie purposely on this forum. Several times, someone has lied: you called them out, they never provided factual proof, nor retracted it. To me, that's grounds for a time out, even if it's temporary.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 04, 2023, 10:03:36 PMYou generally teach kids that midgets exist, and to not treat them like they are freaks. That's understandable. You see them in the street and pay them no mind.
The alphabet people (and their supporters) are all focused on sexuality, and should be kept far away from little kids. Period. Little kids can be influenced and tricked to say or do things. How can a little kid be gay or trans all of a sudden?
That's why they are so many pre-teen transgenders all of a sudden. I feel bad for Jazz Jennings due to the parents (especially the mother), and any medial personnel Jazz has interacted with growing up. I see it as no different than drag queens "reading" to little kids. The wrong adults get too close to kids with an agenda.
And you, are the last person, who should be teaching morals to anybody. You are a fucking disgusting human being.
You have your opinion of the alphabet people. You apparently believe that they're leveraging book reading to hit on 1st graders in public libraries. I'm still not sure how that would work, but ok.....
I don't have the same demonizing view of the alphabet people. There are bad trannies, bad straight, bad gay, bad black white, atheist, Christian, Chinese, Red Sox fans, Democrats, Republicans, etc etc etc.
I look at people as individuals, not groups.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 05, 2023, 11:25:54 AMYou have your opinion of the alphabet people. You apparently believe that they're leveraging book reading to hit on 1st graders in public libraries. I'm still not sure how that would work, but ok.....
I don't have the same demonizing view of the alphabet people. There are bad trannies, bad straight, bad gay, bad black white, atheist, Christian, Chinese, Red Sox fans, Democrats, Republicans, etc etc etc.
I look at people as individuals, not groups.
They are conditioning them for all kinds of evil motives. You need to read up on the "minor attracted people" movement.
The ones that attend Pride events are not individuals. The ones that don't attend those events are individuals. They have independent thought.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 05, 2023, 12:48:18 PMThey are conditioning them for all kinds of evil motives. You need to read up on the "minor attracted people" movement.
The ones that attend Pride events are not individuals. The ones that don't attend those events are individuals. They have independent thought.
Minor attracted people, aka "potential pedophiles" are different than gays, trannies, straight, etc. The are MAPs that are gay, but it's not all gays. There are MAPs that are straight, but not all straight. There are MAPs that are trannies, but not all trannies.
People are all individuals. People who attend events are individuals. J6 rioters were individuals. Gay pride event attendees are individuals.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 05, 2023, 02:00:49 PMMinor attracted people, aka "potential pedophiles" are different than gays, trannies, straight, etc. The are MAPs that are gay, but it's not all gays. There are MAPs that are straight, but not all straight. There are MAPs that are trannies, but not all trannies.
People are all individuals. People who attend events are individuals. J6 rioters were individuals. Gay pride event attendees are individuals.
No they are not.
I am an individual who has similar and different stances to someone like Solar or Possum or whoever
else is on this forum.
When these alphabit people all walk, talk, and act the same, there is no individuality amongst them. It's all about sexuality.
All those BLM and Antifa rioters are not individuals either. Plus, they are terrorists.
Tell me how much damage the Jan 6 people performed. The are not rioters, because they didn't burn, loot, nor murder.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 05, 2023, 02:00:49 PMMinor attracted people, aka "potential pedophiles" are different than gays, trannies, straight, etc. The are MAPs that are gay, but it's not all gays. There are MAPs that are straight, but not all straight. There are MAPs that are trannies, but not all trannies.
People are all individuals. People who attend events are individuals. J6 rioters were individuals. Gay pride event attendees are individuals.
Your need to separate out the root cause of what creates a fag is akin to claiming communism is inherently good because it includes everyone.
No! You leftist Twit!!! Both are by their integral make up, evil! They both live a lie, they both abuse!
Next you'll be telling us NAMBLA is simply misunderstood. :glare:
Quote from: Solar on August 06, 2023, 06:33:51 AMYour need to separate out the root cause of what creates a fag is akin to claiming communism is inherently good because it includes everyone.
No! You leftist Twit!!! Both are by their integral make up, evil! They both live a lie, they both abuse!
Next you'll be telling us NAMBLA is simply misunderstood. :glare:
Wow! Quote the collection of straw men!
Do you disagree that there are straight, gay, tranny, non-tranny, black, white, tall, short, Christian, atheist, rich, poor, etc....pedophiles?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 06, 2023, 07:07:39 AMWow! Quote the collection of straw men!
Do you disagree that there are straight, gay, tranny, non-tranny, black, white, tall, short, Christian, atheist, rich, poor, etc....pedophiles?
Do you ever read your own stupid posts? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: ZenMode on August 06, 2023, 07:07:39 AMWow! Quote the collection of straw men!
Do you disagree that there are straight, gay, tranny, non-tranny, black, white, tall, short, Christian, atheist, rich, poor, etc....pedophiles?
Which group proclaims they are coming after your children? Which group preforms nude shows and then wants to go "read" to the children?
Quote from: Possum on August 06, 2023, 07:13:11 AMWhich group proclaims they are coming after your children? Which group preforms nude shows and then wants to go "read" to the children?
And they all parade under the Rainbow Fag.
Quote from: Possum on August 06, 2023, 07:13:11 AMWhich group proclaims they are coming after your children? Which group preforms nude shows and then wants to go "read" to the children?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If that comment is based on what I believe it's based on, which was a satirical song from probably a decade ago, I
can't believe that meme is still going around.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 06, 2023, 07:21:37 AM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If that comment is based on what I believe it's based on, which was a satirical song from probably a decade ago, I can't believe that meme is still going around.
Got nuthin, so you try and start over? Son, I only respond to you because you say the stupidest shit, and love exposing leftists for the hypocrites they are.
But when you've run out of shit to post and pull this crap I ridicule you even more!
Quote from: ZenMode on August 06, 2023, 07:21:37 AM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
If that comment is based on what I believe it's based on, which was a satirical song from probably a decade ago, I can't believe that meme is still going around.
Pride vs. shame: 'We're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children'QuoteLast Friday in New York City, at the city's annual Drag March, hundreds of drag performers marched through Manhattan's East Village chanting, "We're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children."
No reporter I've seen asked them what they meant by "coming for your children." No politician appeared to denounce the statement.
Guess which group was saying that. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/28/pride-vs-shame-were-here-were-queer-were-coming-fo/
Quote from: Possum on August 06, 2023, 07:32:15 AMPride vs. shame: 'We're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children'
Guess which group was saying that. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/28/pride-vs-shame-were-here-were-queer-were-coming-fo/
SMH..... It's satire. It's mocking the views of hateful Republican's, just like this song was satirical and mocking hateful Republicans:
https://youtu.be/ArOQF4kadHA
Quote from: ZenMode on August 06, 2023, 09:32:07 AMSMH..... It's satire. It's mocking the views of hateful Republican's, just like this song was satirical and mocking hateful Republicans:
https://youtu.be/ArOQF4kadHA
You didn't guess which group. I'll give you a hint, it's the bunch that dress up like women and dance with their junk hanging out, who like reading stories for little kids. Any special reason you defend them so much???????????????
Quote from: ZenMode on August 06, 2023, 09:32:07 AMSMH..... It's satire. It's mocking the views of hateful Republican's, just like this song was satirical and mocking hateful Republicans:
https://youtu.be/ArOQF4kadHA
We are not the hateful ones. We don't preach "love and inclusion" while attacking people at the same time.
Saying "we're coming for your kids" is not anything other than an evil threat towards parents or anybody who doesn't want harm towards kids.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 06, 2023, 09:32:07 AMSMH..... It's satire. It's mocking the views of hateful Republican's, just like this song was satirical and mocking hateful Republicans:
https://youtu.be/ArOQF4kadHA
So if I said I was going to Dox you, lie about you, and get a bunch of mentally ill people to come after you and yours,
that would be sarcasm?
What in the fuck is wrong with you? Have you no values, whatsoever?
Quote from: Solar on August 07, 2023, 07:17:20 AMSo if I said I was going to Dox you, lie about you, and get a bunch of mentally ill people to come after you and yours,
that would be sarcasm?
What in the fuck is wrong with you? Have you no values, whatsoever?
I definitely don't support doxxing. Who was doxxed?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 07:48:02 AMI definitely don't support doxxing. Who was doxxed?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spike-lee-retweets-incorrect-address-of-george-zimmerman-violates-twitter-rules/
QuoteMovie director Spike Lee is in hot water over a Twitter retweet that has left a Florida couple fearing for their safety.
So, the original Tweet and the re-Tweet from this racist asshole not only put the wrong people in danger, but the intent was to put people in danger.
This is just one, high profile reporting of it.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 07, 2023, 08:12:17 AMhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/spike-lee-retweets-incorrect-address-of-george-zimmerman-violates-twitter-rules/
So, the original Tweet and the re-Tweet from this racist asshole not only put the wrong people in danger, but the intent was to put people in danger.
This is just one, high profile reporting of it.
Ok. I'm not seeing what that has to do with a discussion about whether LGBTQ+-^$# is
actually coming after children, and are dumb enough to create an actual song/youtube video call it out, or if it's satire to make fun of Republicans.
Doxing is doxing. The subject is irrelevant. The act of putting people and their information out in public with the intent to cause them harm is what we are talking about.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 07:48:02 AMI definitely don't support doxxing. Who was doxxed?
Condemn it then.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 07, 2023, 09:38:42 AMDoxing is doxing. The subject is irrelevant. The act of putting people and their information out in public with the intent to cause them harm is what we are talking about.
Condemn it then.
lol...ok. consider it condemned!
Though, I'm still not sure what this has to do with people in a parade chanting, or a men's choir from San Fran singing a song....
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 10:47:29 AMThough, I'm still not sure what this has to do with people in a parade chanting, or a men's choir from San Fran singing a song....
Of course you don't understand it. First you said the trans never claimed to be coming after children. When it was shown to you, you claimed well, they really did not mean it. When an article was posted that showed that 100's of queer/trans were chanting that AND NO ONE ASKED THEM WHY, YOU had the answer that they really did not mean it again. In your little world, did all of the 100's chanting know it was not really meant? Can you prove that?
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 11:12:38 AMOf course you don't understand it. First you said the trans never claimed to be coming after children. When it was shown to you, you claimed well, they really did not mean it. When an article was posted that showed that 100's of queer/trans were chanting that AND NO ONE ASKED THEM WHY, YOU had the answer that they really did not mean it again. In your little world, did all of the 100's chanting know it was not really meant? Can you prove that?
It's my opinion. I can't prove they didn't mean it. You can't prove they did.
But, again, your claim that ALL trans are pedos. I don't believe that and I don't even know what being trans has to do with being attracted to kids. I don't think you have a good understanding of what being trans actually means.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 11:52:16 AMIt's my opinion. I can't prove they didn't mean it. You can't prove they did.
But, again, your claim that ALL trans are pedos. I don't believe that and I don't even know what being trans has to do with being attracted to kids. I don't think you have a good understanding of what being trans actually means.
Trans is based on the false belief that a man can become a woman, or a woman can become a man. They can't. The meme that started this was based on drag queens and I guessing since you take up for them you know more about them, so tell us what makes a drag queen.
Show me where I made the claim all trans are pedos or retract.
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 12:18:43 PMTrans is based on the false belief that a man can become a woman, or a woman can become a man. They can't.
More specifically, a biological male can't become a biological female, but yes.
QuoteThe meme that started this was based on drag queens and I guessing since you take up for them you know more about them, so tell us what makes a drag queen.
The meme was a photoshopped lie. I have no idea what officially makes a drag queen but, at the very least it's a male who wears women's clothes.
QuoteShow me where I made the claim all trans are pedos or retract.
Post #72
"Which group proclaims they are coming after your children? Which group preforms nude shows and then wants to go "read" to the children?"
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=507552
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 12:33:03 PMMore specifically, a biological male can't become a biological female, but yes.
The meme was a photoshopped lie. I have no idea what officially makes a drag queen but, at the very least it's a male who wears women's clothes.Post #72
"Which group proclaims they are coming after your children? Which group preforms nude shows and then wants to go "read" to the children?"
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/index.php?msg=507552
That was a question which you never answered. The article answered the question, the pictures answered the question, the marchers themselves answered the question. But you don't get it yet.
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 12:42:13 PMThat was a question which you never answered. The article answered the question, the pictures answered the question, the marchers themselves answered the question. But you don't get it yet.
I addressed your stereotyping multiple times. I don't demonize entire groups. I demonize bad people. As I said multiple times, there are pedo trannies, gay straight, tall, short, fat Christian atheist, German, Russian, etc. The ONLY group that is 100% pedo are pedos themselves.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 12:47:18 PMI addressed your stereotyping multiple times. I don't demonize entire groups. I demonize bad people. As I said multiple times, there are pedo trannies, gay straight, tall, short, fat Christian atheist, German, Russian, etc. The ONLY group that is 100% pedo are pedos themselves.
Sorry, but when a group chants they are coming for the children one has to believe that is what they stand for. In the parades, all of them are chanting, there is no other way to look at it. The kids need protection first. You want to take for for the perverts, go ahead, that says more about you then me.
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 12:57:29 PMSorry, but when a group chants they are coming for the children one has to believe that is what they stand for. In the parades, all of them are chanting, there is no other way to look at it. The kids need protection first. You want to take for for the perverts, go ahead, that says more about you then me.
Your "group" was meant to cover all trannies. How do I know this? Because you said the same "group" that was chanting does nude shows. You have no idea if a single chanting person EVER performed nude at a show. You then did the same by referencing the same group as trying to read to children. You have no idea if a single person who changed EVER performed nude or ever read to kids, so the only logical explanation is that you put them all in the same, all-encompassing group.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 01:07:56 PMYour "group" was meant to cover all trannies. How do I know this? Because you said the same "group" that was chanting does nude shows. You have no idea if a single chanting person EVER performed nude at a show. You then did the same by referencing the same group as trying to read to children. You have no idea if a single person who changed EVER performed nude or ever read to kids, so the only logical explanation is that you put them all in the same, all-encompassing group.
And you have no proof they they didn't. So before you make claims on what I AM REFERRING TO, get some proof. See I do believe birds of a feather hang around together, if members of a group marching are claiming to want to come after children, why are the others putting up with it and condoning it thru non action? You are on a roll of accusing, why do you not condemn the behavior where they threaten to come after children? You are more hung up on the fact that it was in a meme than the fact that this was going on. Like I said, says more about you than me. When it comes to children, the needs of the child, their protection must come first. If members of the group parading are making threats, they ALL are.
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 01:24:40 PMAnd you have no proof they they didn't. So before you make claims on what I AM REFERRING TO, get some proof. See I do believe birds of a feather hang around together, if members of a group marching are claiming to want to come after children, why are the others putting up with it and condoning it thru non action? You are on a roll of accusing, why do you not condemn the behavior where they threaten to come after children? You are more hung up on the fact that it was in a meme than the fact that this was going on. Like I said, says more about you than me. When it comes to children, the needs of the child, their protection must come first. If members of the group parading are making threats, they ALL are.
Thanks for confirming your group stereotyping and demonizing....as I've been referencing.
"See I do believe birds of a feather hang around together"
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 01:27:36 PMThanks for confirming your group stereotyping and demonizing....
"See I do believe birds of a feather hang around together"
Referring to those chanting you ass. Here is the rest of the quote, "" if members of a group marching are claiming to want to come after children, why are the others putting up with it and condoning it thru non action? "" Still have not seen you condemning their chanting.
Not quoting the whole text is the same as lying and you know it.
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 01:29:14 PMReferring to those chanting you ass. Here is the rest of the quote, "" if members of a group marching are claiming to want to come after children, why are the others putting up with it and condoning it thru non action? "" Still have not seen you condemning their chanting.
Not quoting the whole text is the same as lying and you know it.
Again, you put those chanting in the same group as those reading to kids and those performing nude, which is why I said you lump them all together as pedos.
Why would I condemn satire/humor? I'm not woke.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 01:40:59 PMAgain, you put those chanting in the same group as those reading to kids and those performing nude, which is why I said you lump them all together as pedos.
Why would I condemn satire/humor? I'm not woke.
You ass, are you that dense to not notice that they do everything in GROUPS? They parade in groups, they dance in groups wanting children in the audience to notice, they want to gather in groups to read to children, HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED THAT!! And in EVERY GROUP, they want to preform in front of children. Yet here you are preaching that I/we are not to notice that they are in groups, that we are to assume that just because the majority is seen chanting that does not mean all of them think like that. IF they did not, wouldn't they be in a different group, say one that does not want to dance nude in front of children? You may not be woke, but you are a joke.
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 02:11:10 PMYou ass, are you that dense to not notice that they do everything in GROUPS? They parade in groups, they dance in groups wanting children in the audience to notice, they want to gather in groups to read to children, HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED THAT!! And in EVERY GROUP, they want to preform in front of children. Yet here you are preaching that I/we are not to notice that they are in groups, that we are to assume that just because the majority is seen chanting that does not mean all of them think like that. IF they did not, wouldn't they be in a different group, say one that does not want to dance nude in front of children? You may not be woke, but you are a joke.
They
all want to perform in front of children? Link to your proof??
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 02:14:56 PMThey all want to perform in front of children? Link to your proof??
Again, if a group is preforming nude in front of children, if they are gathering for the sole purpose to read in drag front of children, if they are parading down the street, many with their junk hanging out, that has children in the audience, they are there because they WANT TO. Show the evidence where there has been a nude show with kids in the audience where THE PREFORMERS did not want to be there. Show the evidence where people were parading and chanting "we are coming for your children" and they did not want to be there. All you are accomplishing is moving the goalposts in order to avoid the despicable behavior that is going on.
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 02:26:12 PMAgain, if a group is preforming nude in front of children, if they are gathering for the sole purpose to read in drag front of children, if they are parading down the street, many with their junk hanging out, that has children in the audience, they are there because they WANT TO. Show the evidence where there has been a nude show with kids in the audience where THE PREFORMERS did not want to be there. Show the evidence where people were parading and chanting "we are coming for your children" and they did not want to be there. All you are accomplishing is moving the goalposts in order to avoid the despicable behavior that is going on.
just to clarify, the trannies put on shows, some of which are not appropriate for children and the children's parents choose to bring them to the show. The trannies put on a parade and some parents bring their children to the parade. Where is your proof that they actively want to perform these things in front of kids as a group?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 02:34:51 PMjust to clarify, the trannies put on shows, some of which are not appropriate for children and the children's parents choose to bring them to the show. The trannies put on a parade and some parents bring their children to the parade. Where is your proof that they actively want to perform these things in front of kids as a group?
When the parade is down public streets there is common knowledge that children are allowed there and the proper conduct should be observed. Likewise to any venue that hosts performances where children are allowed. ANY action preformed where kids are allowed which is not appropriate is not done by accident.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 01:27:36 PMThanks for confirming your group stereotyping and demonizing....as I've been referencing.
"See I do believe birds of a feather hang around together"
One of the flags of the alphabet people use is the "minor attracted people" version. That m.a.p. flag represents the core values of that group. All alphabet people and their supporters have associated themselves with that flag whether you or they like it or not.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 07, 2023, 03:58:57 PMOne of the flags of the alphabet people use is the "minor attracted people" version. That m.a.p. flag represents the core values of that group. All alphabet people and their supporters have associated themselves with that flag whether you or they like it or not.
I don't even know if what you're saying about the flag is true, but let's just say that it is true.
My wife has a very good friend that is Catholic. Does the fact that she associates with the Catholic Church mean that she also should be lumped in as a pedophile and groomer?
Quote from: Possum on August 07, 2023, 02:59:58 PMWhen the parade is down public streets there is common knowledge that children are allowed there and the proper conduct should be observed. Likewise to any venue that hosts performances where children are allowed. ANY action preformed where kids are allowed which is not appropriate is not done by accident.
If there is any illegal conduct, the police should step in and correct it or arrest the person. There was a popular meme and/or tweets going around that show new people at what was supposedly a gay pride parade. That was debunked as being something that happened in another country and I don't even know if it was actually associated with a gay pride parade.
"Nude", not "new"^^^^
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 04:11:15 PMIf there is any illegal conduct, the police should step in and correct it or arrest the person. There was a popular meme and/or tweets going around that show new people at what was supposedly a gay pride parade. That was debunked as being something that happened in another country and I don't even know if it was actually associated with a gay pride parade.
That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, it's just another attempt to move the goalposts. Second, I would say it is highly unlikely the police would step in where the venue is in a liberal hell hole as nude parade marchers have not been arrested. Or are you now claiming the marchers were nude by accident?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 04:07:33 PMI don't even know if what you're saying about the flag is true, but let's just say that it is true.
My wife has a very good friend that is Catholic. Does the fact that she associates with the Catholic Church mean that she also should be lumped in as a pedophile and groomer?
The Catholic Church's sole purpose isn't to have a pedophilia dedicated flag represent them. The alphabet people do.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 07, 2023, 05:35:16 PMThe Catholic Church's sole purpose isn't to have a pedophilia dedicated flag represent them. The alphabet people do.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 07, 2023, 05:35:16 PMThe Catholic Church's sole purpose isn't to have a pedophilia dedicated flag represent them. The alphabet people do.
Your claim about the flag is highly disputed by all of the LGBTQ organizations that I've seen.
14 August 2019
We have been made aware of misinformation being spread on some online forums regarding LGBT Foundation and 'pedosexuality', including an image promoting 'pedosexuality' with our logo and website photoshopped onto the bottom.
We want to make it categorically clear that this is not in any way affiliated with us, and is false and misleading. LGBT Foundation is a charity that represents and provides services to lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people and in no way condones the inclusion of paedophilia as a minority sexual orientation. This image was created in order to smear LGBT Foundation and the communities we serve, and to dissuade LGBT people from seeking support from us.
This false claim has now been fact checked by USA Today, who said "Based on our research, the claims that the LGBTQ community has expanded to include "pedosexuals," pedophiles, or any relationship between adults and minors are FALSE. Such claims also draw on a history of undeserved stigma and stereotypes toward the LGBTQ community." You can can read this report here.
As a charity, we are registered with and regulated by the Charity Commission. At LGBT Foundation we have a rich and passionate history of grassroots activism and community involvement, with a track record dating back to 1975. Every year we serve 40,000 people - amplifying voices, providing support and offering hope to people who've had nowhere else to turn. To read more about the work we do, please see our most recent impact report here.https://lgbt.foundation/pedosexual
And
https://today.rtl.lu/news/fact-check/a/2075703.html
And
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/06/fox-news-says-lgbtq-pride-flag-shows-support-for-grooming-pedophilia/
https://www.snopes.com/articles/464807/minor-attracted-persons-flag/
QuoteDo 'Minor-Attracted Persons' Use a Flag To Represent Themselves?
In 2018, a gradient flag first posted on Tumblr became widely known as "the MAPs flag." Posted by a user who went by the name Stenna, the person claimed to have created the flag in honor of Pride Month because non-offending minor-attracted persons (NOMAPs) didn't have their own flag. (NOMAPs were defined by University of Portsmouth researchers in 2019 as individuals who are attracted to minors but abstained from sexual offending — "non-offending minor-attracted persons.") This is a screenshot of that post:
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What Does the Term 'Minor-Attracted Persons' (MAPs) Mean in the First Place?
A January 2022 research article published in the academic journal Archives of Sexual Behavior used the term "minor-attracted persons'' to mean "individuals who have sexual attractions to infants, prepubescent children, and children who are in the early stages of puberty."
Lawyers and victims' rights advocates have objected to the term, saying "minor attracted persons" minimizes the impact and devastation that pedophilia has on sexual abuse survivors. (Merriam-Webster defines pedophilia as a "sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object, specifically a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child.")
Where Does the Term 'Minor-Attracted Persons' Come From?
The similar term "minor-attracted adult" can be traced back to the late 1990s and early 2000s. For example, that term was described in a 2000 blog post on the defunct website Philia News, which stated it offered "interfaith and secular material that will be of interest to minor-attracted adults and to other people seeking information about pedophilia and pederasty."
Flag WAS made to represent them. It HAS been posted on social media to start represent them. We can look up and find out what the colors mean.
Using the term "M.A.P." is just a way to soften the language, deflect and hide from the truth.
Flag WAS made for them. Freaks HAVE posted on social media to represent them. We will NEVER believe anybody's gas-lighting to deflect it away from them.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 07, 2023, 04:11:15 PMIf there is any illegal conduct, the police should step in and correct it or arrest the person. There was a popular meme and/or tweets going around that show new people at what was supposedly a gay pride parade. That was debunked as being something that happened in another country and I don't even know if it was actually associated with a gay pride parade.
This is too damn funny! :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
You're such a fuckin "Tool"!
All we have to do is post something anti leftist, and there you are, like a gay Marvel super hero willing to fight the evil "Moral Values" crowd.
I've never seen children taking to the streets with signs demanding their right to have sex with pedophiles. :stomp :stomp :stomp
Quote from: Solar on August 08, 2023, 06:54:13 AMThis is too damn funny! :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
You're such a fuckin "Tool"!
All we have to do is post something anti leftist, and there you are, like a gay Marvel super hero willing to fight the evil "Moral Values" crowd.
I've never seen children taking to the streets with signs demanding their right to have sex with pedophiles. :stomp :stomp :stomp
It would be impossible to reply to all of the anti-leftist posts here. There's also plenty of solid criticisms about the Left or specific people on the Left.
I mostly reply to present the side of the argument that is not represented here.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 07, 2023, 09:05:49 PMhttps://www.snopes.com/articles/464807/minor-attracted-persons-flag/
Flag WAS made to represent them. It HAS been posted on social media to start represent them. We can look up and find out what the colors mean.
Using the term "M.A.P." is just a way to soften the language, deflect and hide from the truth.
Flag WAS made for them. Freaks HAVE posted on social media to represent them. We will NEVER believe anybody's gas-lighting to deflect it away from them.
Well, as long as one person on Tumblr says it, it must be true. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ZenMode on August 08, 2023, 09:31:44 AMWell, as long as one person on Tumblr says it, it must be true. :rolleyes:
If your fake news media outlet says it, it must be true.
:rolleyes:
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House lawmakers reimbursed for rent, food, other expenses as new policy takes effect
Lawmakers have complained for years about the difficulty of affording a second home in Washington, DC
New guidelines for Congress were finalized this week that will reimburse lawmakers for substantial portions of their rent, food and other expenses they incur while in Washington, DC – effectively giving members a pay hike.
It's an issue that members have complained about for years – many have said their $174,000 salary, while well above the U.S. median, isn't enough to afford housing in DC and in their home district. It's forced many to share apartments together and even sleep in their offices.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-lawmakers-reimbursed-rent-food-expenses-new-policy-takes-effect
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House lawmakers reimbursed for rent, food, other expenses as new policy takes effect
Lawmakers have complained for years about the difficulty of affording a second home in Washington, DC
New guidelines for Congress were finalized this week that will reimburse lawmakers for substantial portions of their rent, food and other expenses they incur while in Washington, DC – effectively giving members a pay hike.
It's an issue that members have complained about for years – many have said their $174,000 salary, while well above the U.S. median, isn't enough to afford housing in DC and in their home district. It's forced many to share apartments together and even sleep in their offices.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-lawmakers-reimbursed-rent-food-expenses-new-policy-takes-effect
Go back and reread what it is exactly that the meme is complaining about. Obviously, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
With today's tech, there's no reason for these scum to be insulated from their own districts, they're supposed to be representing.
They want a 2nd home? They can pay for it with their own damn money, otherwise, it's time for a parttime Legislature, one that works out of their own districts.
Quote from: Solar on August 15, 2023, 04:10:05 PMWith today's tech, there's no reason for these scum to be insulated from their own districts, they're supposed to be representing.
They want a 2nd home? They can pay for it with their own damn money, otherwise, it's time for a parttime Legislature, one that works out of their own districts.
Could not agree more. Government should be small enough we don't need a full time congress.
Quote from: Possum on August 15, 2023, 04:39:42 PMCould not agree more. Government should be small enough we don't need a full time congress.
Yep, and an old man would still be alive talking shit.
Quote from: Solar on August 15, 2023, 04:41:40 PMYep, and an old man would still be alive talking shit.
Thanks. :thumbup:
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Unfortunately, there was a small percentage of Democrats who cheered the Floyd riots and there was a small contingency of Republicans will cheer the J6 riots. That's how polarized our country is becoming.
January 6 wan't a riot. If it was, prove to us which stores they looted and which buildings they burned.
Prove it or retract.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 24, 2023, 05:46:22 PMJanuary 6 wan't a riot. If it was, prove to us which stores they looted and which buildings they burned.
Prove it or retract.
looting and burning down buildings isn't a requirement to meet the definition of a riot.
Riot - "violent public disorder"
Again, what businesses were looted and which buildings were arson-ed on January 6?
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Unfortunately, there was a small percentage of Democrats who cheered the Floyd riots and there was a small contingency of Republicans will cheer the J6 riots. That's how polarized our country is becoming.
Yeah, like democrat mayors who told the police to let them vent. You just keep dancing around in circles there.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 05:32:25 AMYeah, like democrat mayors who told the police to let them vent. You just keep dancing around in circles there.
No. Not at all like that.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 07:24:41 AMNo. Not at all like that.
Are you saying that did not happen?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 06:22:35 PMlooting and burning down buildings isn't a requirement to meet the definition of a riot.
So what would you call the Watts Riots?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 06:22:35 PMlooting and burning down buildings isn't a requirement to meet the definition of a riot.
So what would you call the LA Riots?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 24, 2023, 05:46:22 PMJanuary 6 wan't a riot. If it was, prove to us which stores they looted and which buildings they burned.
Prove it or retract.
We are waiting for an answer.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 09:12:25 AMAre you saying that did not happen?
I'm saying mayors making bad decisions is completely irrelevant to a discussion about the fringe on both Left and Right cheering their respective riots and being outraged over other riots.
riots come in a lot of different forms.
No they don't. A riot is a riot. Being allowed in a government building and hanging out is not a riot.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 10:37:32 AMI'm saying mayors making bad decisions is completely irrelevant to a discussion about the fringe on both Left and Right cheering their respective riots and being outraged over other riots.
Fringe my ass, this is typical of liberal mayors and elected officials everywhere, and damn typical of you. The police, the FBI opened the doors to let the patriots into the capitol. Can you show me where shop owners opened their doors to let the rioters loot and burn it down? Can you show me all the selfies the police took with those looting? And you want to post that somehow it is the same? You and Jean-Pierre have a lot in common.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 11:08:16 AMFringe my ass, this is typical of liberal mayors and elected officials everywhere, and damn typical of you. The police, the FBI opened the doors to let the patriots into the capitol. Can you show me where shop owners opened their doors to let the rioters loot and burn it down? Can you show me all the selfies the police took with those looting? And you want to post that somehow it is the same? You and Jean-Pierre have a lot in common.
for the third time, the question, or in this case the meme, topic is those who cheered rioters. Rational people don't cheer what happened on January 6th. Rational people don't cheer what happened after George Floyd was killed. It's really that simple.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 11:19:06 AMfor the third time, the question, or in this case the meme, topic is those who cheered rioters. Rational people don't cheer what happened on January 6th. Rational people don't cheer what happened after George Floyd was killed. It's really that simple.
What is in question is what is a riot. Read this again and try to understand the difference. If you can not see the difference, no need to continue this discussion.
QuoteThe police, the FBI opened the doors to let the patriots into the capitol. Can you show me where shop owners opened their doors to let the rioters loot and burn it down? Can you show me all the selfies the police took with those looting? And you want to post that somehow it is the same? You and Jean-Pierre have a lot in common.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 11:23:49 AMWhat is in question is what is a riot. Read this again and try to understand the difference. If you can not see the difference, no need to continue this discussion.
There are multiple definitions of the word riot. What happened on January 6th and after George Floyd was killed clearly meets the definition of riot. Why you want to dispute something so obvious is odd.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 11:30:20 AMThere are multiple definitions of the word riot. What happened on January 6th and after George Floyd was killed clearly meets the definition of riot. Why you want to dispute something so obvious is odd.
Lets try this once more, can you answer the questions?
QuoteThe police, the FBI opened the doors to let the patriots into the capitol. Can you show me where shop owners opened their doors to let the rioters loot and burn it down? Can you show me all the selfies the police took with those looting? And you want to post that somehow it is the same? You and Jean-Pierre have a lot in common.
You see, the police did take pictures and let them in the doors, that in itself shows it was not a riot.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 11:38:49 AMLets try this once more, can you answer the questions?
You see, the police did take pictures and let them in the doors, that in itself shows it was not a riot.
The fact that a few cops made bad decisions does not mean what happened was not a riot.
The fact that one or two mayors made bad decisions does not make the George Floyd riots not riots.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 11:43:37 AMThe fact that a few cops made bad decisions does not mean what happened was not a riot.
The police did not treat the patriots as rioters. No rioters, no riot.
QuoteThe fact that one or two mayors made bad decisions does not make the George Floyd riots not riots.
NOBODY has said the Floyd riots, with all the looting, with all the destruction, with all the buildings burned, were not riots. Stop using strawmen.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 12:34:45 PMThe police did not treat the patriots as rioters. No rioters, no riot.
NOBODY has said the Floyd riots, with all the looting, with all the destruction, with all the buildings burned, were not riots. Stop using strawmen.
There were many police officers who were investigated for their behavior during the J6 riots. I'm curious, how many police do you think were there fighting to keep the rioters out? How many police do you believe were there who were not doing their job, but were letting people in and taking selfies?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 12:48:07 PMThere were many police officers who were investigated for their behavior during the J6 riots. I'm curious, how many police do you think were there fighting to keep the rioters out? How many police do you believe were there who were not doing their job, but were letting people in and taking selfies?
Doesn't matter what I think. I know it happened! I know national guard help was turned down. I know the FBI was there encouraging the patriots to go on in. That is all on the record. Now show me where the police and FBI encouraged rioters to loot and burn at the Floyd riots, or any of the democrat riots. Bet you can't.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 01:01:57 PMDoesn't matter what I think. I know it happened! I know national guard help was turned down. I know the FBI was there encouraging the patriots to go on in. That is all on the record. Now show me where the police and FBI encouraged rioters to loot and burn at the Floyd riots, or any of the democrat riots. Bet you can't.
Even if you believe it doesn't matter, you can still answer the question.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 01:20:04 PMEven if you believe it doesn't matter, you can still answer the question.
Play your own silly game, if I came up with a number it would only be a guess, that what you do. Lets stick to what we know, the police let them in. The police posed with the patriots for selfies. Yeah, really sounds like a bad ass riot. On a scale of one to ten, I wonder how taking selfies compares with sending mean memes?
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 01:27:04 PMPlay your own silly game, if I came up with a number it would only be a guess, that what you do. Lets stick to what we know, the police let them in. The police posed with the patriots for selfies. Yeah, really sounds like a bad ass riot. On a scale of one to ten, I wonder how taking selfies compares with sending mean memes?
Ok, since you don't want to answer that question, I'm curious if you saw all the video of Capitol police fighting, sometimes for their lives, with rioters?
I'm also curious, out of all the Floyd riots across the country, what percentage of police do you believe stood by and let looters loot and vandals vandalize?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 02:16:54 PMOk, since you don't want to answer that question, I'm curious if you saw all the video of Capitol police fighting, sometimes for their lives, with rioters?
No not fighting for their lives. I saw a woman on the ground who they beat the hell out of, I saw another woman shot dead, THROUGH A LOCKED DOOR. I saw the patriots had no weapons. I saw the patriots walking side by side with the police. I saw the patriots having conversations with the police. But again, there were others involved Jan.6th , not just the patriots, what happened to those tapes? I have yet to see the report that identified them, or that ruled out that they were not the ones committing what crimes you are saying did happen. But if, as you say, there were police fighting for their lives, why were the police in all the videos I saw acting as if everything was going good? Why did police, interacting with the crowd, find it necessary to kill one and beat up another? We should have the answers by now, but don't. Last I checked, about six months ago, the policeman who shot Ashli Babbitt had yet to been officially interviewed. There are a whole lot of unanswered questions about that day, only someone as closed minded as yourself can not see that.
QuoteI'm also curious, out of all the Floyd riots across the country, what percentage of police do you believe stood by and let looters loot and vandals vandalize?
Again, irrelevant. I can only guess, I do not know the actual number. What I can tell you, in my opinion only, the police were vastly out numbered. Their lives were in danger, real danger not the crap you are pretending at the capitol. They needed the backing of those in charge, not for those in charge to give encouragement to the criminals by telling the police to stand down. Those who gave that order did not stand with the police, they did not stand with the business owners, they did not stand for the citizens safety, THEY STOOD WITH THE CRIMINALS.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 02:43:03 PMNo not fighting for their lives. I saw a woman on the ground who they beat the hell out of, I saw another woman shot dead, THROUGH A LOCKED DOOR. I saw the patriots had no weapons. I saw the patriots walking side by side with the police. I saw the patriots having conversations with the police. But again, there were others involved Jan.6th , not just the patriots, what happened to those tapes? I have yet to see the report that identified them, or that ruled out that they were not the ones committing what crimes you are saying did happen. But if, as you say, there were police fighting for their lives, why were the police in all the videos I saw acting as if everything was going good? Why did police, interacting with the crowd, find it necessary to kill one and beat up another? We should have the answers by now, but don't. Last I checked, about six months ago, the policeman who shot Ashli Babbitt had yet to been officially interviewed. There are a whole lot of unanswered questions about that day, only someone as closed minded as yourself can not see that.
Again, irrelevant. I can only guess, I do not know the actual number. What I can tell you, in my opinion only, the police were vastly out numbered. Their lives were in danger, real danger not the crap you are pretending at the capitol. They needed the backing of those in charge, not for those in charge to give encouragement to the criminals by telling the police to stand down. Those who gave that order did not stand with the police, they did not stand with the business owners, they did not stand for the citizens safety, THEY STOOD WITH THE CRIMINALS.
I'll try again, because I'm curious what your guess is for each situation.
According to the federal government website about 140 police officers were assaulted. I'm sure "assaulted" is used very liberally. But, for the sake of argument, let's say there were about 150 police at the Capitol on J6. How many did you see on video letting people in, taking selfies or otherwise neglecting their duties?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 02:58:55 PMI'll try again, because I'm curious what your guess is for each situation.
According to the federal government website about 140 police officers were assaulted. I'm sure "assaulted" is used very liberally. But, for the sake of argument, let's say there were about 150 police at the Capitol on J6. How many did you see on video letting people in, taking selfies or otherwise neglecting their duties?
Can't play that game. One of my main criticisms of your posts is you like to post what you guess as facts. If you know the answer, give it. What I saw, happened. You can not dispute it, well you can, but not truthfully. We see two totally different actions taking place on Jan. 6th, one very calm, one not so. We saw the police taking violent actions while just a short distance away everything was calm. I would like to see answers for how that could happen, not play guessing games.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 03:15:24 PMCan't play that game. One of my main criticisms of your posts is you like to post what you guess as facts. If you know the answer, give it. What I saw, happened. You can not dispute it, well you can, but not truthfully. We see two totally different actions taking place on Jan. 6th, one very calm, one not so. We saw the police taking violent actions while just a short distance away everything was calm. I would like to see answers for how that could happen, not play guessing games.
I don't know the answer. I suspect in both cases, the number of cops neglecting their duties was a small percentage. In the J6 video, I think I saw one cop taking selfies, two letting people in and 2-3 giving up their post to let people through a barrier. I'd guess that the percentage of cops who neglected their duties in all Floyd riots was also a very small #. Do you disagree?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 03:26:03 PMI don't know the answer. I suspect in both cases, the number of cops neglecting their duties was a small percentage.
I have never said the police in the Floyd riots were neglecting their duties. Nor have I said the police at the capitol were neglecting their duties. Those are your words not mine. I would like to see you prove, to back up what you are saying that the police neglected their duties.
QuoteIn the J6 video, I think I saw one cop taking selfies, two letting people in and 2-3 giving up their post to let people through a barrier.
Great, I saw more. All that proves is we both know it happened.
QuoteI'd guess that the percentage of cops who neglected their duties in all Floyd riots was also a very small #. Do you disagree?
Again, you are saying they neglected their duties. That is a damn lie. They were told to stand down. I have not seen any evidence to prove otherwise. If you have, post it. If not, you own all those police an apology.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 03:58:41 PMI have never said the police in the Floyd riots were neglecting their duties. Nor have I said the police at the capitol were neglecting their duties. Those are your words not mine. I would like to see you prove, to back up what you are saying that the police neglected their duties.
Great, I saw more. All that proves is we both know it happened.
Again, you are saying they neglected their duties. That is a damn lie. They were told to stand down. I have not seen any evidence to prove otherwise. If you have, post it. If not, you own all those police an apology.
The mayor, governor, etc, I assume, told them to stand down. I don't think police would, as a group, just decide to let looters loot, vandals vandalize, etc
In the case of Capitol police, it seems very unlikely that you would have the majority of police actively fighting to keep rioters from entering the building and only a small number being told to stand down, right?
There's also the fact that several police were suspended for their actions on J6.
https://www.insider.com/6-capitol-police-officers-suspended-29-investigated-insurrection-2021-2
So, do you agree that only a small amount of police in the Floyd riots and a small amount of police in the J6 riots were not doing what they should be doing?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 04:50:17 PMThe mayor, governor, etc, I assume, told them to stand down. I don't think police would, as a group, just decide to let looters loot, vandals vandalize, etc
Then I have to ask, why did you call them negligent?
QuoteIn the case of Capitol police, it seems very unlikely that you would have the majority of police actively fighting to keep rioters from entering the building and only a small number being told to stand down, right?
I have not seen any evidence that the capitol police were told to stand down. Quite the opposite, I saw them opening doors, etc. I did not see them in a situation where any order to stand down would have been warranted, there was no riot.
QuoteThere's also the fact that several police were suspended for their actions on J6.
And what actions would those be?
Quotehttps://www.insider.com/6-capitol-police-officers-suspended-29-investigated-insurrection-2021-2
So, do you agree that only a small amount of police in the Floyd riots and a small amount of police in the J6 riots were not doing what they should be doing?
I have never said any of the police were not doing their job, were not doing what they were told. I would like to see full investigations into Babbitt's murder, and into the woman, (sorry I can not remember her name), who was severely beaten. Zen, it is really hard to have a conversation with someone who continues to lie about what I said. You need to stop it. Your lying about what I say is not helping your argument, it is only showing how weak you and your argument are.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 05:01:57 PMThen I have to ask, why did you call them negligent?
I have not seen any evidence that the capitol police were told to stand down. Quite the opposite, I saw them opening doors, etc. I did not see them in a situation where any order to stand down would have been warranted, there was no riot.
And what actions would those be?
I have never said any of the police were not doing their job, were not doing what they were told. I would like to see full investigations into Babbitt's murder, and into the woman, (sorry I can not remember her name), who was severely beaten. Zen, it is really hard to have a conversation with someone who continues to lie about what I said. You need to stop it. Your lying about what I say is not helping your argument, it is only showing how weak you and your argument are.
okay, I am not giving up on this yet. I am convinced that we can come to an agreement, or something close to an agreement for the sake of this discussion, regarding the police during the Floyd riots and the police during the J6 riots.
I don't know if I used the word negligent, but I was saying that some police, in both situations, we're not doing what police are supposed to do.
In the case of the Floyd riots, police should be trying to stop and arrest looters. Please should be trying to stop and arrest vandals. Police should be trying to control the crowds.
In the case of January 6th, the police should be trying to hold the barricades in place, hold the doors shut and, in general, doing all that they can to prevent riders from getting past the fences, getting into the capital and getting access to people inside. In both situations, there were some number of police who were not performing standard police duties.
Do you agree with what I said above?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 25, 2023, 05:15:38 PMokay, I am not giving up on this yet. I am convinced that we can come to an agreement, or something close to an agreement for the sake of this discussion, regarding the police during the Floyd riots and the police during the J6 riots.
I don't know if I used the word negligent,
1) " the number of cops neglecting their duties"
2) "percentage of cops who neglected their duties)
3) " otherwise neglecting their duties)
Quotebut I was saying that some police, in both situations, we're not doing what police are supposed to do.
In the case of the Floyd riots, police should be trying to stop and arrest looters. Please should be trying to stop and arrest vandals. Police should be trying to control the crowds.
First off, you are looking at two completely different situations. The Floyd riots were full scale. The police were way understaffed, way out numbered, and the crowd was out of control. Buildings were being looted, buildings, cars, equipment was being burned. Windows being destroyed. There was no one to call for help. To step into that crowd and try to subdue it could only have been accomplished by gunfire. They were not going to stop the destruction, the liberals, the LSM, the town's leadership have the crowd whipped into a frenzy. It was allowed, encouraged to get in that condition by those in charge of the city. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place. To try to stop the riot, would be close to suicide, it was out of control. That is your result of liberals running the city for too many years. There was no question by anyone, this was a full scale riot.
QuoteIn the case of January 6th, the police should be trying to hold the barricades in place, hold the doors shut and, in general, doing all that they can to prevent riders from getting past the fences, getting into the capital and getting access to people inside.
Ok, why didn't they? were they obeying orders also? Were they setting up a trap and didn't know it? Were they just relieved that the event was not violent, was not a riot, and just easing the situation? I don't know.
QuoteDo you agree with what I said above?
Of course not. In both cases you are placing the entire blame on the police who act on the orders they receive. In the Floyd riots, there could have easily been many police killed in the line of duty, a fact you do not mention. I do not think any inaction on their part, and to be clear, I do not think they are guilty of any inaction, was the result of them not wanting to do their job.
In the case of the capitol event, we will never know if any orders to stand down were given. Any such orders would have come from the democrats, and they are the ones doing their own investigation. That should be the definition of worthless government action.
Quote from: Possum on August 25, 2023, 06:20:17 PM1) " the number of cops neglecting their duties"
2) "percentage of cops who neglected their duties)
3) " otherwise neglecting their duties)
First off, you are looking at two completely different situations. The Floyd riots were full scale. The police were way understaffed, way out numbered, and the crowd was out of control. Buildings were being looted, buildings, cars, equipment was being burned. Windows being destroyed. There was no one to call for help. To step into that crowd and try to subdue it could only have been accomplished by gunfire. They were not going to stop the destruction, the liberals, the LSM, the town's leadership have the crowd whipped into a frenzy. It was allowed, encouraged to get in that condition by those in charge of the city. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place. To try to stop the riot, would be close to suicide, it was out of control. That is your result of liberals running the city for too many years. There was no question by anyone, this was a full scale riot.
Ok, why didn't they? were they obeying orders also? Were they setting up a trap and didn't know it? Were they just relieved that the event was not violent, was not a riot, and just easing the situation? I don't know.
Of course not. In both cases you are placing the entire blame on the police who act on the orders they receive. In the Floyd riots, there could have easily been many police killed in the line of duty, a fact you do not mention. I do not think any inaction on their part, and to be clear, I do not think they are guilty of any inaction, was the result of them not wanting to do their job.
In the case of the capitol event, we will never know if any orders to stand down were given. Any such orders would have come from the democrats, and they are the ones doing their own investigation. That should be the definition of worthless government action.
I'm not blaming the police. I'm just saying some number of them weren't doing police things.
So, however you want to describe the police that weren't doing things pice usually do I assume that you would still call the George Floyd people "rioters" because of what THEY were doing regardless of what police were doing.
The same is true for J6. Some police didn't do what they should do and let people in at certain doors. Some took selfies. That doesn't change the fact there there absolutely were rioters there breaking windows, assaulting police with poles and chemicals, breaking windows, busting in doors, etc.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 26, 2023, 12:27:02 PMSo, however you want to describe the police that weren't doing things pice usually do I assume that you would still call the George Floyd people "rioters" because of what THEY were doing regardless of what police were doing.
The same is true for J6. Some police didn't do what they should do and let people in at certain doors. Some took selfies. That doesn't change the fact there there absolutely were rioters there breaking windows, assaulting police with poles and chemicals, breaking windows, busting in doors, etc.
Go back and reread, I never said the police were not doing their job. You said that. This annoying habit of yours is getting real old.
Quote from: Possum on August 26, 2023, 12:56:11 PMGo back and reread, I never said the police were not doing their job. You said that. This annoying habit of yours is getting real old.
What the police were or weren't doing is irrelevant to what the people were doing and there were a lot of people rioting.
They were ALL rioting.
You know who wasn't rioting? Jan 6 crowd.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 26, 2023, 01:01:38 PMWhat the police were or weren't doing is irrelevant to what the people were doing and there were a lot of people rioting.
Wrong again. The police who walked with the Jan. 6th patriots did not fear a riot, did not act like there was a riot, did not act like they thought their life was in danger. They acted like this because there was no riot. But if you are dead set on claiming there was a riot, you never answered the question, why did they open the doors? I did not see anyone at the Floyd riot or ANY OTHER RIOT opening doors. You're not going to find that answer on any of your liberal talking points, that is part of what happened on that day the liberals want you to forget. What else do they want you to forget, how much evidence from the committee has disappeared. Another big question you should be asking, is why.
Quote from: Possum on August 27, 2023, 05:29:41 AMWrong again. The police who walked with the Jan. 6th patriots did not fear a riot, did not act like there was a riot, did not act like they thought their life was in danger. They acted like this because there was no riot. But if you are dead set on claiming there was a riot, you never answered the question, why did they open the doors? I did not see anyone at the Floyd riot or ANY OTHER RIOT opening doors. You're not going to find that answer on any of your liberal talking points, that is part of what happened on that day the liberals want you to forget. What else do they want you to forget, how much evidence from the committee has disappeared. Another big question you should be asking, is why.
Here's a video of the riot that you apparently believe never happened.
As I said previously, some cops didn't do their job, while some fought and fought and fought to keep the rioters out.
The cops that gave up or otherwise behaved inappropriately were investigated with some being suspended.:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/02/19/969441904/capitol-police-suspends-6-officers-investigates-dozens-more-after-capitol-riots&ved=2ahUKEwifkvK-vv6AAxXGIUQIHT8XBLwQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0OKxwn_ro3bvHl_fcsPIdO
Quote from: ZenMode on August 27, 2023, 09:13:58 PMHere's a video of the riot that you apparently believe never happened.
As I said previously, some cops didn't do their job, while some fought and fought and fought to keep the rioters out.
The cops that gave up or otherwise behaved inappropriately were investigated with some being suspended.:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/02/19/969441904/capitol-police-suspends-6-officers-investigates-dozens-more-after-capitol-riots&ved=2ahUKEwifkvK-vv6AAxXGIUQIHT8XBLwQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0OKxwn_ro3bvHl_fcsPIdO
Again, there were other groups around the capitol that day. Antifa and the FBI are on record for stirring up trouble. I am talking about the patriots and the area where they entered the capitol, through doors the police opened for them. That was not a riot.
Quote from: Possum on August 28, 2023, 04:15:05 AMAgain, there were other groups around the capitol that day. Antifa and the FBI are on record for stirring up trouble. I am talking about the patriots and the area where they entered the capitol, through doors the police opened for them. That was not a riot.
The exception only proves the rule. There was a riot at the Capitol on J6. The small minority of people who were let in by a small minority of Capitol police doesn't change that.
The majority of Floyd protests actually were peaceful. That doesn't mean the rioting, looting, arson,etc didn't happen.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 28, 2023, 05:24:20 AMThe exception only proves the rule. There was a riot at the Capitol on J6. The small minority of people who were let in by a small minority of Capitol police doesn't change that.
The majority of Floyd protests actually were peaceful. That doesn't mean the rioting, looting, arson,etc didn't happen.
You do know those were the ones who came from listening to Trump's speech, the patriots, right. The riot you are referring to was already in progress. I am beginning to wonder if you know any of the facts of what happened on that day. Lucky for you, there are postings on this forum.
Quote from: Possum on August 28, 2023, 05:52:39 AMYou do know those were the ones who came from listening to Trump's speech, the patriots, right. The riot you are referring to was already in progress. I am beginning to wonder if you know any of the facts of what happened on that day. Lucky for you, there are postings on this forum.
You're saying that none of the Trump supporters were involved in any of the rioting, but were let in to the Capitol?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 28, 2023, 06:33:11 AMYou're saying that none of the Trump supporters were involved in any of the rioting, but were let in to the Capitol?
Two items, one, the records say that, and two, there are no absolutes. But the crap was going on BEFORE those listening to Trump arrived at the capitol, as Trump's speech was still going on. Most of those arrested were done so after leaving and phone traces were used to track them down. This has all been covered before, look it up.
Quote from: Possum on August 28, 2023, 05:52:39 AMYou do know those were the ones who came from listening to Trump's speech, the patriots, right. The riot you are referring to was already in progress. I am beginning to wonder if you know any of the facts of what happened on that day. Lucky for you, there are postings on this forum.
Yes, there was some level of rioting going on before Trump finished his speech, but Capitol police weren't heard referring to what was happening as a "riot", and the first barriers weren't breeched, until about 30 minutes after Trump finished his speech. We have no way of knowing which people from the speech ended up being involved in the riot. It seems unlikely, given that Trump blamed one person (Pence) for allowing the election to be stolen and that person was in the Capitol at that moment, that some significant portion of the people from the speech weren't involved.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 06:09:36 AMYes, there was some level of rioting going on before Trump finished his speech, but Capitol police weren't heard referring to what was happening as a "riot", and the first barriers weren't breeched, until about 30 minutes after Trump finished his speech. We have no way of knowing which people from the speech ended up being involved in the riot. It seems unlikely, given that Trump blamed one person (Pence) for allowing the election to be stolen and that person was in the Capitol at that moment, that some significant portion of the people from the speech weren't involved.
Bull shit. Nothing but guessing. Reports right after the fact said differently. Poeple IN THE CAPITOL said differently. But the one guy who is always accusing everyone else of not providing proof, is guessing to suit his agenda.
Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 06:39:02 AMBull shit. Nothing but guessing. Reports right after the fact said differently. Poeple IN THE CAPITOL said differently. But the one guy who is always accusing everyone else of not providing proof, is guessing to suit his agenda.
How would anyone know which people from the speech were/weren't rioting? Was there a speech roster that was compared to those arrested?
Does it really matter if it was Trump supporters from the speech vs Trump supporters who skipped the speech and get right to trying to stop certification?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 06:52:31 AMHow would anyone know which people from the speech were/weren't rioting? Was there a speech roster that was compared to those arrested?
Does it really matter if it was Trump supporters from the speech vs Trump supporters who skipped the speech and get right to trying to stop certification?
Do you ever look anything up before you post? Many who were in the capitol were interviewed, or rather asked a few questions, that is where it become known they had come from the speech. On the second part you asked, I have no idea if ANY were Trump supporters, and doubt if those who were breaking the law were Trump supporters. I do not know of any group crimes committed by Trump supporters. That is usably reserved for BLM, antifa, the green energy crowd, you know, liberals.
Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 11:00:31 AMDo you ever look anything up before you post? Many who were in the capitol were interviewed, or rather asked a few questions, that is where it become known they had come from the speech. On the second part you asked, I have no idea if ANY were Trump supporters, and doubt if those who were breaking the law were Trump supporters. I do not know of any group crimes committed by Trump supporters. That is usably reserved for BLM, antifa, the green energy crowd, you know, liberals.
Libs will never understand what it means to be a Trump supporter, they think all of humanity is like them, no anchor in morality, no core values, so they think everyone is as lawless as they are.
The denial is strong here.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 29, 2023, 01:52:48 PMThe denial is strong here.
Seems to be limited to one poster in particular. Since you like to guess, why don't you guess who it is? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on August 29, 2023, 01:49:32 PMLibs will never understand what it means to be a Trump supporter, they think all of humanity is like them, no anchor in morality, no core values, so they think everyone is as lawless as they are.
Nailed it!! They will never understand why Trump is supported, or how we can see through their B.S. They spend years looking for any dirt on Trump, and completely ignore Biden. And we're suppose to use them as sources? What a joke.
Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 02:12:16 PMNailed it!! They will never understand why Trump is supported, or how we can see through their B.S. They spend years looking for any dirt on Trump, and completely ignore Biden. And we're suppose to use them as sources? What a joke.
Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 02:12:16 PMNailed it!! They will never understand why Trump is supported, or how we can see through their B.S. They spend years looking for any dirt on Trump, and completely ignore Biden. And we're suppose to use them as sources? What a joke.
Bob: 'I'll Take Communism For The Win! :lol: :lol: :lol:
They actually think Capitalism is the blame for all evils, never once questioning the crony capitalism plague due to the left.
They'll never ask why these corporations went woke.
Quote from: Solar on August 29, 2023, 03:48:20 PMBob: 'I'll Take Communism For The Win! :lol: :lol: :lol:
They actually think Capitalism is the blame for all evils, never once questioning the crony capitalism plague due to the left.
They'll never ask why these corporations went woke.
I still want to see Epstein's list. I bet the two are tyied together somehow. :cursing:
Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 03:54:19 PMI still want to see Epstein's list. I bet the two are tyied together somehow. :cursing:
Yep, like a double helix. :angry:
Quote from: Solar on August 29, 2023, 05:32:05 PMYep, like a double helix. :angry:
Just wait until the republicans control the house we were told, then we will get the facts. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
And people still think we have two political parties. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
As evil as the democrats are, I despise the rinos more.
Quote from: Possum on August 29, 2023, 06:11:46 PMJust wait until the republicans control the house we were told, then we will get the facts. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
And people still think we have two political parties. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
As evil as the democrats are, I despise the rinos more.
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McCarthy keeps playing the "We Might Look At Impeachment". What a fuckin joke they are.
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McCarthy keeps playing the "We Might Look At Impeachment". What a fuckin joke they are.
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How True Is That? :sneaky: