Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 28, 2013, 07:28:58 PM
I have stated nowhere that redistribution exists only in Marxism.

So Obama does not have to be a Marxist to support wealth redistribution.  He does not even have to be a liberal.  Conservatives typically accept or even defend social security.

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Wrong again on so many levels. There is no point in an occasionally empowered worker class and a depowered management class does not exist in classical Marxism because there is no management class.  "Management" class would be considered part of the worker class. The conflict resides between what Marx referred to as the nonworker (owner) and the worker (labor).

And Obama has never suggested anything other than creating mobility between the two, rather than removing outright the distinction.  Do you understand the difference between holding "management" accountable[/b] for its hand in the public safety and wishing to eliminate it?

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No there isn't. There would be if this was a discussion of classical Marxism however it is not. I have already explained how modern Marxists need the owner class. The educated class under modern version of Marxism in America become part of the owner/nonworker class and the state itself.

What modern Marxists are you referring to?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 28, 2013, 08:09:10 PM
So Obama does not have to be a Marxist to support wealth redistribution.  He does not even have to be a liberal.

You can make that argument if you ignore everything else I said on the matter

QuoteConservatives typically accept or even defend social security.

For obvious reasons. Millions paid into it, budgeted for it and are receiving it.

QuoteAnd Obama has never suggested anything other than creating mobility between the two, rather than removing outright the distinction.

I have already explained why the owner class cannot be eliminated if the state is to survive and thrive.

QuoteDo you understand the difference between holding "management" accountable[/b] for its hand in the public safety and wishing to eliminate it?

See above

QuoteWhat modern Marxists are you referring to?

Wow. You don't read posts, when you do you don't understand them and then when you do you selectively respond to salvage your argument. And all that on top off making assumptions.


You really aren't worth the effort.

Quote from: LIAMD on November 28, 2013, 02:50:07 PM
If you believe for a NY minute that the Kenyans policies are not Marxist you are either delusional, or simply a troll.  On numerous occasions Barry has made the point that were it not for the "other party" standing in his way, he could do so  much more... the fact that he does not have complete control would be enough to make me believe in God.  Your statement "the affordable care act doesn't even introduce a single payer system" is suppose to make us think he wouldn't institute that tomorrow if he could?...give me a fucking break!  About the only thing I want this Marxist ideologue involved with from now until December 2016 is pardoning turkeys and helping Michelle weed the garden.

Indeed marxism in western democracy in the west can not be achieved through armed revolution but have to be implemtented step by step until too many people are dependent on government that they vote marxist into power in essence just like the socialist Hitler got into power. Poverty, insufficient government programs and high unemployment are all boons to the marxist liberal agenda and Obama has done everything to increase poverty with taxation, made a mess of government programs making people demand more government programs (FDR style) and raise unemployment.

The better question is, what has Obama done that embodies or reflect the Federalist papers, the constitution or American spirit?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 28, 2013, 04:40:21 PM
Your own graphic says precisely the opposite of what you're trying to put forth. 

Present your evidence, then.  Give records of Obama's secret socialist past, because every time I search for information on a site that is not labeled some variant of gobacktokenya.org I get the impression that your conspiracies are taken about as seriously as 911 truthers or JFK questioners.

Like I said, The Dims and media have been lying for him all along.

Quote from: Solar on November 29, 2013, 05:20:57 AM
Like I said, The Dims and media have been lying for him all along.

You really think a fuzzy image of unknown origin is supposed to constitute "evidence" now?   

How about you get off your lazy ass and present extensive documentation, records and something that could actually hold up a case in court, rather than the tea bagger equivalent of this:



OH MY GOD IT'S ALIENS!!!!!!

Quote from: Mountainshield on November 29, 2013, 03:53:02 AM
Indeed marxism in western democracy in the west can not be achieved through armed revolution but have to be implemtented step by step until too many people are dependent on government that they vote marxist into power in essence just like the socialist Hitler got into power. Poverty, insufficient government programs and high unemployment are all boons to the marxist liberal agenda and Obama has done everything to increase poverty with taxation, made a mess of government programs making people demand more government programs (FDR style) and raise unemployment.

The better question is, what has Obama done that embodies or reflect the Federalist papers, the constitution or American spirit?

Excellent parting question.  Absolutely nothing that I can think of...perhaps the forums socialist progressives can enlighten us.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 28, 2013, 08:09:10 PM

And Obama has never suggested anything other than creating mobility between the two, rather than removing outright the distinction.  Do you understand the difference between holding "management" accountable[/b] for its hand in the public safety and wishing to eliminate it?

So creating the "mobility between the two" by taking money from one and redistributing to the other isn't classic Marxist theory?  Troll or delusional...you're one or the other.

Quote from: LIAMD on November 29, 2013, 07:19:36 AM
So creating the "mobility between the two" by taking money from one and redistributing to the other isn't classic Marxist theory?

No, it is not.   

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 29, 2013, 07:47:08 AM
No, it is not.   

A delusional troll... it's worse than I thought.  

Quote from: LIAMD on November 29, 2013, 08:02:28 AM
A delusional troll... it's worse than I thought.

You don't even know what "classical Marxism" is beyond "something liberals are".   Or, feel free to cite your sources.

Quote from: LIAMD on November 29, 2013, 08:02:28 AM
A delusional troll... it's worse than I thought.

Stay tuned. He's "hanging ten" on the high-dive board of Fail.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 29, 2013, 08:45:50 AM
You don't even know what "classical Marxism" is beyond "something liberals are".   Or, feel free to cite your sources.

You mean similar to the sources you cite backing up all your dribble? Anyone have a spare fly-swatter handy? 

Quote from: LIAMD on November 29, 2013, 09:27:25 AM
You mean similar to the sources you cite backing up all your dribble? Anyone have a spare fly-swatter handy? 

Quote from: LIAMD on November 29, 2013, 09:27:25 AM
You mean similar to the sources you cite backing up all your dribble? Anyone have a spare fly-swatter handy? 

You're dodging the question.  Where is your evidence that Obama is a Marxist?  Where is your evidence that maintaining social welfare programs makes one a Marxist?  Where is your evidence that reforming the health care system and not even introducing a single payer market makes one a Marxist?

Yup, a delusional troll.... and one with a stuck replay button to boot.