Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
No, but if You truly believe that oil companies dont want a cleaner easier energy than You're being naive.

Im just saying that there are and will be other possible viable energies that the industry will try to hold back for profit. Do You not agree?

What is the oil industry in business for?  To earn a profit.

Don't you think that if there were other viable forms of energy out there that these oil companies would be working on them so they could earn a profit on them?

Companies are willing to make a profit on just about anything.  They don't really care what it is.  If wind or solar power (as examples) was viable, the private industries would be going balls to the walls trying to earn a profit on it.

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
How about we do away with using oil altogether then, would that make you happy?
What are the limits you're willing to set?

Yes, if We could find a better cleaner source of energy, it would make me happy. You?

Please explain "limits"?

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
American Oil companies are doing no harm to the planet, in fact, not drilling and releasing the pressure does far more damage to aquatic life in the ocean when it continues to bleed for thousands of sq miles, drilling relieves this pressure.

A huge problem is oil corporations are all about bottom line and that effects lots of things from bad equipment on down. There are many fires and many costly spills.  Not to mention the fracking that's been going on.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/04/17/environment-fracking-earthquake-studies.html
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Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
But drilling does nothing, it's how some countries use it or dispose of it, but drilling, no.

I disagree, maybe drilling itself would be ok, but the companies bad handling and maintaining atop of the chemicals for cheaper easier access, just makes it bad.

This is going to be funny.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
No, but if You truly believe that oil companies dont want a cleaner easier energy than You're being naive.

Im just saying that there are and will be other possible viable energies that the industry will try to hold back for profit. Do You not agree?

The biggest and best manufacturers of solar panels are Shell and BP, they saw profit in making them.
So to claim they are trying to stifle alternative energies is simply ignorant.
They have the money to develop and profit off the next energy source and the resources to make it viable, and would only enhance their bottom line.

Keep in mind, American oil cos are held in the free mkt by investors, so to assume they have been killing the golden goose to continue business as usual makes no sense where profit is concerned.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
No, but if You truly believe that oil companies dont want a cleaner easier energy than You're being naive.


Im just saying that there are and will be other possible viable energies that the industry will try to hold back for profit. Do You not agree?

You just contradicted yourself and agreed with me. Of course oil companies want cleaner energy. They have the cash on hand, to fully exploit new technologies and increase profits.


I disagree. Oil companies do not have the power to squelch new technologies and energy sources. The world is a big place. What you are suggesting is logistically impossible.

Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 02:00:30 PM
You just contradicted yourself and agreed with me. Of course oil companies want cleaner energy. They have the cash on hand, to fully exploit new technologies and increase profits.


I disagree. Oil companies do not have the power to squelch new technologies and energy sources. The world is a big place. What you are suggesting is logistically impossible.

Fish has been convinced that oil is bad and no amount of logic is likely to change his/her mind.

Quote from: rich_t on July 10, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
Fish has been convinced that oil is bad and no amount of logic is likely to change his/her mind.

It's for that reason alone, Libs leave the forum, they hate having to face the fact that they've been swallowing a big lie.
Ignorance is a blissful place to live, among the Dim party.

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
The biggest and best manufacturers of solar panels are Shell and BP, they saw profit in making them.
So to claim they are trying to stifle alternative energies is simply ignorant.

I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it.   

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
They have the money to develop and profit off the next energy source and the resources to make it viable, and would only enhance their bottom line.

It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
Keep in mind, American oil cos are held in the free mkt by investors, so to assume they have been killing the golden goose to continue business as usual makes no sense where profit is concerned.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/

"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 02:05:22 PM
It's for that reason alone, Libs leave the forum, they hate having to face the fact that they've been swallowing a big lie.
Ignorance is a blissful place to live, among the Dim party.

Fishy is like that kid who takes their goldfish to the ocean to release it and set it free....  while sleeping at night thinking they helped the environment, while the poor little fish dies in saltwater.

Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 02:09:18 PM
Fishy is like that kid who takes their goldfish to the ocean to release it and set it free....  while sleeping at night thinking they helped the environment, while the poor little fish dies in saltwater.

Come on Taxi, "try harder". 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it.   It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.


http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/

"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."

You are in outright denial of the facts.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it.   It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.

Son, both Shell and BP hold patents on their process of making solar cells, because of this, they make the best cells on the mkt.
Now how do you suppose that effects the rest of the mkt?
It drives the price down, because other manufacturers can't compete with the higher quality, they make cheaper priced cells, and like all consumers, they generally buy the cheaper product because they all look alike, regardless of quality or output.

Quotehttp://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/

"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."

First off, I suggest you never use alternet as a reference, they are outright liars and I personally have shredded their writers with facts.
Secondly, Hussein gave BILLIONS to solar manufacturers, only to have nearly all of them go out of business.
So to claim they aren't getting funding is simply ignorant.

Quote from: rich_t on July 10, 2012, 02:16:11 PM
You are in outright denial of the facts.

I don't think it's denial, rather misinformed, he watches way to much TV.

Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 02:17:21 PM
Son, both Shell and BP hold patents on their process of making solar cells, because of this, they make the best cells on the mkt.
Now how do you suppose that effects the rest of the mkt?
It drives the price down, because other manufacturers can't compete with the higher quality, they make cheaper priced cells, and like all consumers, they generally buy the cheaper product because they all look alike, regardless of quality or output.
First off, I suggest you never use alternet as a reference, they are outright liars and I personally have shredded their writers with facts.
Secondly, Hussein gave BILLIONS to solar manufacturers, only to have nearly all of them go out of business.
So to claim they aren't getting funding is simply ignorant.

Thanks for the tip on the alternate.


As far as Solar companies going out of business goes, sure they will right now, drilling companies are still cheaply drilling, and fracking, providing at a cheaper cost for the common man. Lots of people cant afford energy efficient homes and automobiles. Its a vicious cycle.   

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it.   It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.


http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/

"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."

Alternet?   This is a step below The Onion.