Oh, to live in the Golden State, where visionaries like Moonbeam Brown can inspire the state legislature to get that much-needed high-speed rail project going! How sad for me to live in Ohio, where our troglodyte governor turned down the HSR money... what was he thinking?
READ (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HIGH_SPEED_RAIL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-06-19-12-38) all about it.
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 06:29:49 PM
Oh, to live in the Golden State, where visionaries like Moonbeam Brown can inspire the state legislature to get that much-needed high-speed rail project going! How sad for me to live in Ohio, where our troglodyte governor turned down the HSR money... what was he thinking?
READ (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HIGH_SPEED_RAIL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-06-19-12-38) all about it.
GREAT now if Washington State gets a Dem Gov again, they will demand it also.
Watch this go down in flames, we will be voting this down come Nov.
It'll be on the ballot. :cool:
Well I see two million illegal aliens hired to work on this thing which will of course go over budget the first year.
But once they get it up and running the Drug dealers be able to get their product to San Francisco much quicker.
Billy
Quote from: Bad water BILLY on July 06, 2012, 07:58:52 PM
Well I see two million illegal aliens hired to work on this thing which will of course go over budget the first year.
But once they get it up and running the Drug dealers be able to get their product to San Francisco much quicker.
Billy
That's our Billy -- always able to see the silver lining in every cloud. :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 08:04:54 PM
That's our Billy -- always able to see the silver lining in every cloud. :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:
Sadly, he's right on both counts.
Quote from: Bad water BILLY on July 06, 2012, 07:58:52 PM
Well I see two million illegal aliens hired to work on this thing which will of course go over budget the first year.
But once they get it up and running the Drug dealers be able to get their product to San Francisco much quicker.
Billy
Actually, if this is the one I'm thinking about, it doesn't go to San Francisco. It's supposed to run from Victorville (for people unfamiliar with CA, Victorville
IS the middle of nowhere) to Las Vegas!
No use running drugs to Las Vegas, they've got more than they can use! :laugh:
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
Watch this go down in flames, we will be voting this down come Nov.
It'll be on the ballot. :cool:
Yeah. Until some puppet federal judge strikes down the voting public.
Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 08:32:08 PM
Yeah. Until some puppet federal judge strikes down the voting public.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You just pissed on those flames. :laugh:
I have no doubt the libs, as usual, will fight to the bitter end, even winding up in the 9th Circus court.
The most overturned court in the nation. :cool:
Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You just pissed on those flames. :laugh:
I have no doubt the libs, as usual, will fight to the bitter end, even winding up in the 9th Circus court.
The most overturned court in the nation. :cool:
Just got off the phone with a lib buddy out in Santa Cruz a little while ago. He said, " California isn't broke. Everyone around here is loaded."
I actually had to explain to him, that the "state" is broke. I had to explain that Stockton is on the brink of bancruptcy, with others not to far behind. Sometimes I'm jealous. Complete ignorance seems like a pretty nice place. :blink:
Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 08:47:34 PM
Just got off the phone with a lib buddy out in Santa Cruz a little while ago. He said, " California isn't broke. Everyone around here is loaded."
I actually had to explain to him, that the "state" is broke. I had to explain that Stockton is on the brink of bancruptcy, with others not to far behind. Sometimes I'm jealous. Complete ignorance seems like a pretty nice place. :blink:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
He got one thing right, most of Southern Ca is loaded, on drugs that is.
Yes, ignorance is bliss.
Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2012, 08:58:08 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
He got one thing right, most of Southern Ca is loaded, on drugs that is.
Yes, ignorance is bliss.
Santa Cruz isn't southern, but the sad part is, if they happen to wake up and remember it's voting day....................they're going to go vote for Capt. Charisma. The pied piper of the uninformed. The liar in chief.
There are a hell of a lot of underrepresented conservatives in CA. I hope they find a voice. I'm proud of Issa for sticking to his guns.
I believe the Walker win in Wisconsin, is enabling some other republicans to finally grow some balls. It's about time.
At least democrats tend to lay their blatant dishonesty out on the table..........................or maybe it it just spills onto the table, because there's so much of it.
My tolerance for lying republicans has reached it's peak.
Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 09:27:12 PM
Santa Cruz isn't southern, but the sad part is, if they happen to wake up and remember it's voting day....................they're going to go vote for Capt. Charisma. The pied piper of the uninformed. The liar in chief.
There are a hell of a lot of underrepresented conservatives in CA. I hope they find a voice. I'm proud of Issa for sticking to his guns.
I believe the Walker win in Wisconsin, is enabling some other republicans to finally grow some balls. It's about time.
At least democrats tend to lay their blatant dishonesty out on the table..........................or maybe it it just spills onto the table, because there's so much of it.
My tolerance for lying republicans has reached it's peak.
You have tolerance for lying Republicans, you say? I have a tendency to rank them right alongside lying Democrats -- as if there were some other kind -- and then try to sort the conservatives from the not-conservatives. Somehow, the not-conservative pile is always bigger, and I just hate that. :tounge: :tounge:
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 06, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
You have tolerance for lying Republicans, you say? I have a tendency to rank them right alongside lying Democrats -- as if there were some other kind -- and then try to sort the conservatives from the not-conservatives. Somehow, the not-conservative pile is always bigger, and I just hate that. :tounge: :tounge:
I see a full blown Conserative Party on the horizon. The Tea Party has the traditional Washington power brokers scared shitless.
Yeah. A party that keeps their promises to adhere to the Constitution. What a concept.
The People still rule here. It's time to put our employees in their place...........................before they completely forget who the boss is..................or worse.
We forget who the boss is.
Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 10:35:42 PM
I see a full blown Conserative Party on the horizon. The Tea Party has the traditional Washington power brokers scared shitless.
Yeah. A party that keeps their promises to adhere to the Constitution. What a concept.
The People still rule here. It's time to put our employees in their place...........................before they completely forget who the boss is..................or worse. We forget who the boss is.
Yes, but will that party be the Republican Party?
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 06, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
Yes, but will that party be the Republican Party?
-Dr Watt
Not necessarily. If republicans want to represent conservatives, they need to start walking the walk.
I thought they had killed that project when Brown didn't obtain the necessary environmental waivers?
Quote from: kramarat on July 06, 2012, 09:27:12 PM
Santa Cruz isn't southern, but the sad part is, if they happen to wake up and remember it's voting day....................they're going to go vote for Capt. Charisma. The pied piper of the uninformed. The liar in chief.
There are a hell of a lot of underrepresented conservatives in CA. I hope they find a voice. I'm proud of Issa for sticking to his guns.
I believe the Walker win in Wisconsin, is enabling some other republicans to finally grow some balls. It's about time.
At least democrats tend to lay their blatant dishonesty out on the table..........................or maybe it it just spills onto the table, because there's so much of it.
My tolerance for lying republicans has reached it's peak.
Ahh for some reason I thought you said Santa Barbara.
Santa Cruz is San Franfreako's biggest zit and they have many.
I used to go their in my younger days, I just never got it, never understood what it was that these people saw in life, Hell, still don't.
My only attraction was the beach, the town itself is frozen in time, the worst of the 60s.
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2012, 05:25:11 AM
Ahh for some reason I thought you said Santa Barbara.
Santa Cruz is San Franfreako's biggest zit and they have many.
I used to go their in my younger days, I just never got it, never understood what it was that these people saw in life, Hell, still don't.
My only attraction was the beach, the town itself is frozen in time, the worst of the 60s.
I lived in San Lorenzo valley.
If you didn't like the hippies, you really wouldn't like it now. My wife and I went out about 7 years ago for a visit. The hippies have been replaced with Goth people...................................black eye shadow, trench coats, spiked hair, lifeless eyes..................it's dark.
Her parents live down south. I probably won't ever see Santa Cruz again. The fishing there, was awesome though. :wink:
I lived there for 11 years and never felt like I belonged there.
Quote from: kramarat on July 07, 2012, 05:39:07 AM
I lived in San Lorenzo valley.
If you didn't like the hippies, you really wouldn't like it now. My wife and I went out about 7 years ago for a visit. The hippies have been replaced with Goth people...................................black eye shadow, trench coats, spiked hair, lifeless eyes..................it's dark.
Her parents live down south. I probably won't ever see Santa Cruz again. The fishing there, was awesome though. :wink:
I lived there for 11 years and never felt like I belonged there.
Id take Goth over a leach/hippy any day, at least with a Goth, two things happen, they either grow out of it, or kill themselves over depression.
Hippies never grow up as long as the Govt is feeding them.
It's sad how the libs ruined such beautiful areas, but that's what happens when scum move in, good people move out and it becomes a mecca for those looking for handouts.
You know the ones, the Dim base.
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2012, 05:56:23 AM
Id take Goth over a leach/hippy any day, at least with a Goth, two things happen, they either grow out of it, or kill themselves over depression.
Hippies never grow up as long as the Govt is feeding them.
It's sad how the libs ruined such beautiful areas, but that's what happens when scum move in, good people move out and it becomes a mecca for those looking for handouts.
You know the ones, the Dim base.
Well, just like the rest of the country, it appears that libs control everything there. There are a hell of a lot of conservatives in them thar hills.....................they just don't happen to hang out in the street. As the democrats continue to piss money down the drain, and cripple the CA economy, I'd be willing to bet that there are a few more, (at least fiscal), conservatives born every day.
I look forward to the coming months and the ramp up of Romney's campaign. If he does nothing but point out the financial ruin that democrats and Obama leave in their wake, he'll win. Although, I also want to hear a clear plan from him on how he intends to fix this disaster.
Quote from: kramarat on July 07, 2012, 06:15:51 AM
Well, just like the rest of the country, it appears that libs control everything there. There are a hell of a lot of conservatives in them thar hills.....................they just don't happen to hang out in the street. As the democrats continue to piss money down the drain, and cripple the CA economy, I'd be willing to bet that there are a few more, (at least fiscal), conservatives born every day.
I look forward to the coming months and the ramp up of Romney's campaign. If he does nothing but point out the financial ruin that democrats and Obama leave in their wake, he'll win. Although, I also want to hear a clear plan from him on how he intends to fix this disaster.
Yeah, most conservatives can't stand what libs do to these place and bail, like me, I moved to the Sierra, where other like minded live.
If Pubs would simply de-fund all these lib handout programs, cut them off at the knees, what you would see virtually overnight, is libs hating Govt, the Govt that let them down, in turn making them fen for themselves for once in their life.
It's what makes conservatives prosper, take away the net and one is forced to make it on their own, the way life was intended, to be a series of challenges that makes one stronger and prosper.
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2012, 06:29:34 AM
Yeah, most conservatives can't stand what libs do to these place and bail, like me, I moved to the Sierra, where other like minded live.
If Pubs would simply de-fund all these lib handout programs, cut them off at the knees, what you would see virtually overnight, is libs hating Govt, the Govt that let them down, in turn making them fen for themselves for once in their life.
It's what makes conservatives prosper, take away the net and one is forced to make it on their own, the way life was intended, to be a series of challenges that makes one stronger and prosper.
If the high speed rail makes it to the ballot, I suspect it will be voted down.
There's another massive, (stupid), rail project slated to happen in CT., running from Hartford to New Haven. Hundreds of millions of dollars.
The dems say it will alleviate traffic. Yeah right. The problem is, that the people creating the traffic don't live in Hartford. So people will have to get off the highway, park their cars, and ride the train the rest of the way to work. Ain't gonna happen.
I love the way they always point to the jobs that will be created by flushing more tax dollars down the shit hole. Same kind of stuff happening here. Democrat governor calling for higher taxes, (for the children :mad: ), while the spending of money on stupid projects, never slows down.
http://blog.tstc.org/2012/05/14/new-haven-hartford-springfield-rail-project-environmental-analysis-released/ (http://blog.tstc.org/2012/05/14/new-haven-hartford-springfield-rail-project-environmental-analysis-released/)
Quote from: kramarat on July 07, 2012, 06:45:37 AM
If the high speed rail makes it to the ballot, I suspect it will be voted down.
There's another massive, (stupid), rail project slated to happen in CT., running from Hartford to New Haven. Hundreds of millions of dollars.
The dems say it will alleviate traffic. Yeah right. The problem is, that the people creating the traffic don't live in Hartford. So people will have to get off the highway, park their cars, and ride the train the rest of the way to work. Ain't gonna happen.
I love the way they always point to the jobs that will be created by flushing more tax dollars down the shit hole. Same kind of stuff happening here. Democrat governor calling for higher taxes, (for the children :mad: ), while the spending of money on stupid projects, never slows down.
http://blog.tstc.org/2012/05/14/new-haven-hartford-springfield-rail-project-environmental-analysis-released/ (http://blog.tstc.org/2012/05/14/new-haven-hartford-springfield-rail-project-environmental-analysis-released/)
The people of this state have had it with these lib Utopian ideas, the cig tax that was defeated is a measure of this disdain people have for lib ideas.
Even though cigarettes are hated in this state, they knew it was nothing more than a way to steal more money from the people, so they put a stop to it.
The same will happen on this boondoggle of a works project disguised as a....
Oh wait, they didn't even try and hide that fact. :laugh:
Uh, California is $16 Billion dollars in the red, how are they supposed to pay for this?
And the last words I want to hear is with Federal dollars.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2012, 08:00:07 AM
Uh, California is $16 Billion dollars in the red, how are they supposed to pay for this?
And the last words I want to hear is with Federal dollars.
They will not call it Federal dollars, it will be called a penalty for not having a high speed train.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2012, 08:00:07 AM
Uh, California is $16 Billion dollars in the red, how are they supposed to pay for this?
And the last words I want to hear is with Federal dollars.
Read em and weep.
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/funding.aspx (http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/funding.aspx)
Holy smokes!!!!
Is this total number right? $98.5 billion. Yikes!!!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/state-bonds.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/state-bonds.html)
Quote from: kramarat on July 07, 2012, 08:15:09 AM
Holy smokes!!!!
Is this total number right? $98.5 billion. Yikes!!!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/state-bonds.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/state-bonds.html)
What?
It's not like its
their money! :rolleyes:
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 07, 2012, 08:17:59 AM
What?
It's not like its their money! :rolleyes:
-Dr Watt
Oh that's right. If it's federal money,
ALL of us get to pay for it.
Damn..........................I don't even get to go on a train ride. :sad:
Quote from: kramarat on July 07, 2012, 08:15:09 AM
Holy smokes!!!!
Is this total number right? $98.5 billion. Yikes!!!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/state-bonds.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/01/state-bonds.html)
Nope, it's double that.
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2012, 08:59:22 AM
Nope, it's double that.
It'll get voted down. I don't believe a judge would have the stones to reverse it.
A lot of that funding was before the Dems lost control of the House. Is it still there, or are we into wishful thinking.
Quote from: kramarat on July 07, 2012, 09:05:11 AM
It'll get voted down. I don't believe a judge would have the stones to reverse it.
Amazing isn't it? The libs want to put us deeper in debt by as much as ten fold.
Do they really think the party will go on forever, or is this a hail Mary before death?
BTW, since we are all invested in a car company, why in the hell is our government using our tax dollars to build a rival to the automobile? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2012, 09:09:27 AM
BTW, since we are all invested in a car company, why in the hell is our government using our tax dollars to build a rival to the automobile? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Not when those cars have a max range of 50 miles, just enough to get you to the train station where you plug in for 8 hours stranded, or take the train..
I guess to a lib this makes sense? :blink:
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2012, 09:18:56 AM
Not when those cars have a max range of 50 miles, just enough to get you to the train station where you plug in for 8 hours stranded, or take the train..
I guess to a lib this makes sense? :blink:
Only if you believe that electricity is produce by the outlet on the wall. :rolleyes:
Quote from: mdgiles on July 07, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
Only if you believe that electricity is produce by the outlet on the wall. :rolleyes:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And grocery stores grow meat in the back room.
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2012, 09:29:01 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
And grocery stores grow meat in the back room.
YES, along with cows milk. :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on July 07, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
YES, along with cows milk. :lol:
First mommy and daddy harvest the money tree.(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neville1.com%2Fstuff%2Fwallpapers%2FMoney%2520Tree.jpg&hash=bad96eb9beec7e95d9f095c81a708ca43d03c71f)
Then they go to the store, sometimes the butcher lets them pick their own meat(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weeville.com%2FRNMeatTree.jpg&hash=e37a0b1f9034481caa52d41cf8863fb0c61a08a8)
Some even cut out the middle man and go straight to the source, the fruit tree truck, where all fruits and vegetables are grown.(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1273%2F569646769_b6d09fec0d.jpg&hash=7eb5776bb391e385d1d2fa770fa21ceeeaf21b62)
Could this be the High-Speed Railway to NOWHERE? A few years ago a road was built
somewhere in the west and as I recall it was never finished.It ended up being named
'the road to nowhere'. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Anyone remember this?
Quote from: ccd2002 on July 08, 2012, 11:09:34 AM
Could this be the High-Speed Railway to NOWHERE? A few years ago a road was built
somewhere in the west and as I recall it was never finished.It ended up being named
'the road to nowhere'. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Anyone remember this?
Are you thinking of the bridge?
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/10/the-bridge-to-nowhere-a-national-embarrassment (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/10/the-bridge-to-nowhere-a-national-embarrassment)
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2012, 09:07:53 AM
Amazing isn't it? The libs want to put us deeper in debt by as much as ten fold.
Do they really think the party will go on forever, or is this a hail Mary before death?
Costly Hail Marys have been thrown by the Dems, and Conservative Republicans, alike.
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-proposal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS (http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-proposal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS)
Maybe it is "before death", don't know, but it has seemed a lot like rats gorging themselves right before time to jump ship.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 04:41:40 PM
Costly Hail Marys have been thrown by the Dems, and Conservative Republicans, alike.
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-proposal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS (http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-proposal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS)
Maybe it is "before death", don't know, but it has seemed a lot like rats gorging themselves right before time to jump ship.
Quite honestly I'm at a complete loss to figure it out.
I've Been a Ca native since 1954, and I have never seen this state in such poor shape, then to add a rail system that 90% of the people in the state will never use, let alone see, simply boggles the mind.
Welcome to the forum, by the way. :cool:
Yep, that, and lots of other things, from blank checks for fat cats, to bridges to nowhere, just make no sense.
I'm from Texas, love Your state though, wish I could make the trip more often.
Thanks for the welcome, Solar.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 04:41:40 PM
Costly Hail Marys have been thrown by the Dems, and Conservative Republicans, alike.
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-proposal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS (http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-proposal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS)
Maybe it is "before death", don't know, but it has seemed a lot like rats gorging themselves right before time to jump ship.
Conservatives have done no such thing. Try again.
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
Conservatives have done no such thing. Try again.
Are You saying Bush and Co aren't conservatives?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Are You saying Bush and Co aren't conservatives?
Correct!
Were the people that voted for Bush and Co Conservative?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 08:58:11 PM
Were the people that voted for Bush and Co Conservative?
Does that make him conservative?
No, but He did run as a conservative didn't He? And the conservatives that voted for Him did elect him to office for a second term, didn't they?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
No, but He did run as a conservative didn't He? And the conservatives that voted for Him did elect him to office for a second term, didn't they?
Yes, he had promise of being more conservative than he ended up.
Ok, so based on that then
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
Conservatives have done no such thing. Try again.
that's ^ not really true.
Either way though, He is/was dishonest, not unlike Obama and the rest of the people that We are duped into fighting over.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 10:48:52 PM
Ok, so based on that then
that's ^ not true.
It is true.
Quote
Either way though, He is/was dishonest, not unlike Obama and the rest of the people We're duped into fighting over.
No. Liberals are destroying the country. That isn't an argument to fight over.
Liberals and Conservatives have destroyed this Country. That is the sad reality. Bush started the fat cat bailouts and Obama resumed them.
Is Bush a Liberal?
Do You really believe that Liberals are Our biggest problem?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 10:56:26 PM
Liberals and Conservatives have destroyed this Country. That is the sad reality.
Wrong. Conservatives are saving the country. Liberals are intent on destroying it. It is simple as that.
Quote
Bush started the fat cat bailouts and Obama resumed them.
Bush didn't start bailouts.
Quote
Is Bush a Liberal?
He was too liberal.
Quote
Do You really believe that Liberals are Our biggest problem?
Yes.
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Wrong. Conservatives are saving the country. Liberals are intent on destroying it. It is simple as that.
I disagree.
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Bush didn't start bailouts.
You should re-look at the facts.
http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again (http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html)
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite)
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
He was too liberal.
:huh:
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Yes.
I don't see how anyone can look past greed as being Our biggest issue and simply point straight to a certain group of People as being Our largest problem.
Placing blame on one another like that is what staunch party folk do to one another and that, sadly, keeps Corporate America capable of destroying us from the inside out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all)
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
I disagree.
You are young and uninformed. I am an adult productive member of society who creates jobs.
Quote
You should re-look at the facts.
http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again (http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html)
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite)
Bush wasn't the first to bail out a company. Try again.
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:huh:
He enabled the Democrats after they took over in 2006.
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I don't see how anyone can look past greed as being Our biggest issue and simply point straight to a certain group of People as being Our largest problem.
The free market capitalism keeps greed in check. Conservatives are for free markets. Liberals are for government intervention, which is pure greed and fuels corruption. Liberals are for big government.
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Placing blame on one another like that is what staunch party folk do to one another and that, sadly, keeps Corporate America capable of destroying us from the inside out.
Corporate America provides goods, services, and jobs.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all)
If corporations didn't spend on campaign donations and only people were able to, unions weren't allowed to continue their collusion, non-felons and US citizens only were allowed to vote, then you wouldn't see a liberal for a thousand years.
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
You are young and uninformed. I am an adult productive member of society who creates jobs.
Than We have that in common for I too am a productive member of society, feeling far less young by the day. :cry:
And I provided links/evidence, You should read up on reality a bit.
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
Bush wasn't the first to bail out a company. Try again.
He enabled the Democrats after they took over in 2006.
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite)
"I'd do it again," proclaimed Bush, speaking to the annual convention of the National Automobile Dealers Association.
The bailout, which ultimately totaled $85 billion, was originally begun during the waning days of the Bush administration. With a specific rescue effort rejected by Congress, the former Commander-in-Chief decided to tap into a separate, $700 billion fund Capitol Hill did approve for the bailout of Wall Street and the banking industry.
"Sometimes circumstances get in the way of philosophy," said the ex-president
:ohmy:
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
The free market capitalism keeps greed in check. Conservatives are for free markets. Liberals are for government intervention, which is pure greed and fuels corruption. Liberals are for big government.
Anytime an 'allocation of capital is combined with self-management' greed is present. From the Liberal big government to the conservative free market. The problem is the peoples perversion of an idea in search for self interest.
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
Corporate America provides goods, services, and jobs.
And lots of damage that needs to be reigned in, or , kept in check.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/category/gulf-coast-oil-spill/ (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/category/gulf-coast-oil-spill/)
Quote from: taxed on July 08, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
If corporations didn't spend on campaign donations and only people were able to, unions weren't allowed to continue their collusion, non-felons and US citizens only were allowed to vote, then you wouldn't see a liberal for a thousand years.
Giving corporations unlimited ability on top of their already unlimited ability just takes more, in the long run, from the hard working Men and Women of this Country. Yes, big business creates jobs, but whats that really matter when they're creating it with money they've stolen, or "been given", from us?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
I disagree.
You should re-look at the facts.
http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again (http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html)
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite)
:huh:
I don't see how anyone can look past greed as being Our biggest issue and simply point straight to a certain group of People as being Our largest problem.
Placing blame on one another like that is what staunch party folk do to one another and that, sadly, keeps Corporate America capable of destroying us from the inside out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all)
Why are you talking about Bush? He's history.
Yep. He made mistakes and he spent way too much money. Case closed.
What Bush did
not do, was spend a lifetime aligning himself with radical Marxists. I'd site proof, but I have to go to work today, and I don't have time to list all of Obama's radical ties.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 08, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
I disagree.
You should re-look at the facts.
http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again (http://www.drudge.com/archive/153261/bush-auto-bailouts-id-do-again)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013452-503544.html)
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite)
:huh:
I don't see how anyone can look past greed as being Our biggest issue and simply point straight to a certain group of People as being Our largest problem.
Placing blame on one another like that is what staunch party folk do to one another and that, sadly, keeps Corporate America capable of destroying us from the inside out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html?pagewanted=all)
Your attempt at sleight of hand using Bush as a distraction from the Marxist policies of Hussein, simply falls flat.
Most of us here hated Bush policy, the guy was and still is a Full Blown RINO.
Hussein is Hell bent on the destruction of the country, and you focus on the past?
Come on son, snap out of it, put down the pitcher and back away from the Kool Aid.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 12:05:01 AM
Than We have that in common for I too am a productive member of society, feeling far less young by the day.
Liberals aren't productive. They are destructive.
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:cry:
And I provided links/evidence, You should read up on reality a bit.
You are doing a good job providing links. Now, I need you to work on providing links that are relevant.
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http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite (http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10342178-bush-on-auto-bailouts-id-do-it-again?lite)
"I'd do it again," proclaimed Bush, speaking to the annual convention of the National Automobile Dealers Association.
The bailout, which ultimately totaled $85 billion, was originally begun during the waning days of the Bush administration. With a specific rescue effort rejected by Congress, the former Commander-in-Chief decided to tap into a separate, $700 billion fund Capitol Hill did approve for the bailout of Wall Street and the banking industry.
"Sometimes circumstances get in the way of philosophy," said the ex-president
You can post links on Bush's bad policy all you want, but this doesn't prove your claim that Bush was the first to bail out companies. Keep trying.
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:ohmy:
Anytime an 'allocation of capital is combined with self-management' greed is present. From the Liberal big government to the conservative free market. The problem is the peoples perversion of an idea in search for self interest.
Spoken like an uninformed liberal. Please explain what "allocation of capital" means, and how the free market hurts.
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And lots of damage that needs to be reigned in, or , kept in check.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/category/gulf-coast-oil-spill/ (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/category/gulf-coast-oil-spill/)
Mistakes happen. This has nothing to do with greed.
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Giving corporations unlimited ability on top of their already unlimited ability just takes more, in the long run, from the hard working Men and Women of this Country. Yes, big business creates jobs, but whats that really matter when they're creating it with money they've stolen, or "been given", from us?
Please elaborate what you are trying to say. It doesn't make sense.
Quote from: kramarat on July 09, 2012, 04:16:18 AM
Why are you talking about Bush? He's history.
Yep. He made mistakes and he spent way too much money. Case closed.
What Bush did not do, was spend a lifetime aligning himself with radical Marxists. I'd site proof, but I have to go to work today, and I don't have time to list all of Obama's radical ties.
Radical ties really don't out way financial ones, unless they're both. I brought up Bush to prove the point that Conservatives and Dems are both spending way to much because both political sides are bought.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 09:36:39 AM
Radical ties really don't out way financial ones, unless they're both. I brought up Bush to prove the point that Conservatives and Dems are both spending way to much because both political sides are bought.
Bush isn't a conservative. Why is this difficult for you to comprehend?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 09:36:39 AM
Radical ties really don't out way financial ones, unless they're both. I brought up Bush to prove the point that Conservatives and Dems are both spending way to much because both political sides are bought.
I don't think you will find a Conservative on the board that does not think that both have for over the last 35 + years.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
Liberals aren't productive. They are destructive.
Everyone is capable of being destructive, Liberals and Conservatives alike.
A true Liberal, IMO, wants to help others as often as possible, which can be destructive because they tend to look past reality -v- resources. A true conservative can be destructive by conserving everything for the Few allowing little to nothing for the Many.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
You are doing a good job providing links. Now, I need you to work on providing links that are relevant.
I've provided relevant links. Bush started the bailouts of recent years and Obama ran with them. You should read up on it, it's not good, and hopefully, if We educate the public, it will not keep recurring.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,428921,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,428921,00.html)
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
You can post links on Bush's bad policy all you want, but this doesn't prove your claim that Bush was the first to bail out companies. Keep trying.
The links are just links to articles written about the fact that Bush enacted the Bailouts of recent years. If You have other info on the matter please share, I will read it and then We can converse about it.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16740.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16740.html)
"President George W. Bush stepped in Friday to keep America's auto industry afloat, announcing a $17.4 billion bailout for GM and Chrysler"...
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
Spoken like an uninformed liberal. Please explain what "allocation of capital" means, and how the free market hurts.
I disagree. Thus far You've merely attacked my links , and Me by alluding to My age being a factor of My thinking, not to mention calling Me an "uniformed Liberal". What I wrote up there is in English, You should be able to read it all, and the links posted, cause it seems You write in English rather well.
Sorry Taxed, it's just that You've given little more than "try harder" or "keep trying" and that doesn't make for a good debate or conversation. You seem of average or greater intelligence, so , if You'd just put Your distaste for a certain group of people aside, We may actually be able to have a good conversation here. :smile:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
Mistakes happen. This has nothing to do with greed.
That's why We need fewer corrupt individuals watching over the companies that can cause so much damage. Because You're right, "Mistakes happen", and when billion dollar businesses are the ones causing them they tend to be very, VERY big "mistakes."
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
Please elaborate what you are trying to say. It doesn't make sense.
And again, please re-read, and "try a little harder" this time. :ttoung:
Quote from: walkstall on July 09, 2012, 09:43:35 AM
I don't think you will find a Conservative on the board that does not think that both have for over the last 35 + years.
Glad We all can agree there than. :biggrin:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 01:43:15 PM
Glad We all can agree there than. :biggrin:
Do not count on the "We all can agree" part! lol What I think is not always what 100 % of Conservatives way of thinking is, only my own. But then in my own little world I am right. :rolleyes:
Quote from: walkstall on July 09, 2012, 01:56:49 PM
Do not count on the "We all can agree" part! lol What I think is not always what 100 % of Conservatives way of thinking is, only my own. But then in my own little world I am right. :rolleyes:
Sounds like an alright place, T, glad We can agree there then. :smile:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 01:42:07 PM
Everyone is capable of being destructive, Liberals and Conservatives alike.
A true Liberal, IMO, wants to help others as often as possible, which can be destructive because they tend to look past reality -v- resources.
Liberals by nature are anti-American, so they have a desire to destroy our defenses and traditions.
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A true conservative can be destructive by conserving everything for the Few allowing little to nothing for the Many.
That is not true. Feel free to elaborate on how that is possible.
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I've provided relevant links. Bush started the bailouts of recent years and Obama ran with them. You should read up on it, it's not good, and hopefully, if We educate the public, it will not keep recurring.
Now you change it...
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The links are just links to articles written about the fact that Bush enacted the Bailouts of recent years. If You have other info on the matter please share, I will read it and then We can converse about it.
I did not dispute Bush signed TARP. I disputed Bush was the first, which you insisted on. Now you change your story after you figured out that Bush wasn't the first to bail out companies.
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I disagree. Thus far You've merely attacked my links , and Me by alluding to My age being a factor of My thinking, not to mention calling Me an "uniformed Liberal". What I wrote up there is in English, You should be able to read it all, and the links posted, cause it seems You write in English rather well.
Again, please elaborate on "allocation of capital". What does that mean? It should be easy for you.
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Sorry Taxed, it's just that You've given little more than "try harder" or "keep trying" and that doesn't make for a good debate or conversation. You seem of average or greater intelligence, so , if You'd just put Your distaste for a certain group of people aside, We may actually be able to have a good conversation here. :smile:
We can have a good conversation, but you need to do simple things like explain concepts like "allocation of capital" and not dismiss it as if it has some sort of meaning. A good rule of thumb is if you don't know what something means or how to defend it, then don't post it.
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That's why We need fewer corrupt individuals watching over the companies that can cause so much damage. Because You're right, "Mistakes happen", and when billion dollar businesses are the ones causing them they tend to be very, VERY big "mistakes."
If left to the free market, sans government, a business that does stupid things or makes big mistakes goes out of business.
If left to the free market, sans government, a business that does stupid things or makes big mistakes goes out of business.
That's exactly right. Everybody was under the impression that GM would close the doors without a bailout, which is BS.
They could have gone into bankruptcy protection and renegotiated their union contracts. The government bailout screwed a lot of people and put the unions in the drivers seat.
I don't care who's president.........................no more bailouts. Period.
Quote from: kramarat on July 09, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
If left to the free market, sans government, a business that does stupid things or makes big mistakes goes out of business.
That's exactly right. Everybody was under the impression that GM would close the doors without a bailout, which is BS.
They could have gone into bankruptcy protection and renegotiated their union contracts. The government bailout screwed a lot of people and put the unions in the drivers seat.
I don't care who's president.........................no more bailouts. Period.
Right on!
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 02:37:47 PM
Right on!
In a free market economy, the best way to keep big businesses from failing, is to let them know that there's no help, if they do.
As these people are finding out. Climbing into bed wth the government is a lifetime deal. It's akin to selling your soul to the devil.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
Liberals by nature are anti-American, so they have a desire to destroy our defenses and traditions.
That is not true. Feel free to elaborate on how that is possible.
Liberals by nature are anti-American? Please feel free to elaborate as well. And please, the "they want to destroy Our defense and tradition argument is false".
Honestly, Liberals seem to want to allow more money to better things than bombs, and that makes perfect sense. They also preserve Our traditions a bit better than the conservatives, lol, We're a land created by illegal immigrants and those damn Liberals love them to pieces. :tounge:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
Now you change it...
I never said there weren't bailouts before Bush and Obama. I just said that Bush started bailouts that Obama ran with.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
I did not dispute Bush signed TARP. I disputed Bush was the first, which you insisted on. Now you change your story after you figured out that Bush wasn't the first to bail out companies.
I was saying that both conservatives and Libs were spending to much and then I used the two Presidents for reference.
If You're really trying to say that I meant Bush is the first to bailout fat cats in history than You misunderstood, Or maybe I should specify the obvious a bit more. :smile:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
Again, please elaborate on "allocation of capital". What does that mean? It should be easy for you.
Here, I said - "Anytime an 'allocation of capital is combined with self-management' greed is present. From the Liberal big government to the conservative free market. The problem is the peoples perversion of an idea in search for self interest. "
What I'm saying is that We are a nation that gives blank checks to big businesses, there's no "free market" its bought and paid for by the little guy then the little guy is forced to buy it again, at higher rate of course.
Im saying that We are being screwed.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
We can have a good conversation, but you need to do simple things like explain concepts like "allocation of capital" and not dismiss it as if it has some sort of meaning. A good rule of thumb is if you don't know what something means or how to defend it, then don't post it.
I shouldn't have to defend the obvious. A good rule would really be expect to be grilled by taxed over obvious things because taxed wants to argue. :laugh:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
If left to the free market, sans government, a business that does stupid things or makes big mistakes goes out of business.
And that^ would be great, but it's not what happens, it's not reality. You're arguing for fiction, not unlike the Liberal who argues for world peace. :sad:
Quote from: kramarat on July 09, 2012, 02:51:16 PM
In a free market economy, the best way to keep big businesses from failing, is to let them know that there's no help, if they do.
As these people are finding out. Climbing into bed wth the government is a lifetime deal. It's akin to selling your soul to the devil.
Exactly. Liberals have no clue how business or the economy works. It is very sad. I don't mind them being stupid, because we need fry cooks, but it's sad that they can vote.
Quote from: kramarat on July 09, 2012, 02:51:16 PM
In a free market economy, the best way to keep big businesses from failing, is to let them know that there's no help, if they do.
As these people are finding out. Climbing into bed wth the government is a lifetime deal. It's akin to selling your soul to the devil.
I don't really disagree, but I can't see where it matters when Government is so obviously owned by the rich. Throw out the government and We're still owned by the same satanic master, aren't We?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 02:52:13 PM
Liberals by nature are anti-American? Please feel free to elaborate as well. And please, the "they want to destroy Our defense and tradition argument is false".
Honestly, Liberals seem to want to allow more money to better things than bombs, and that makes perfect sense. They also preserve Our traditions a bit better than the conservatives, lol, We're a land created by illegal immigrants and those damn Liberals love them to pieces. :tounge:
I never said there weren't bailouts before Bush and Obama. I just said that Bush started bailouts that Obama ran with.
I was saying that both conservatives and Libs were spending to much and then I used the two Presidents for reference.
If You're really trying to say that I meant Bush is the first to bailout fat cats in history than You misunderstood, Or maybe I should specify the obvious a bit more. :smile:
Here, I said - "Anytime an 'allocation of capital is combined with self-management' greed is present. From the Liberal big government to the conservative free market. The problem is the peoples perversion of an idea in search for self interest. "
What I'm saying, among other things, is that We are a nation that gives blank checks to big businesses, there's no "free market" its bought and paid for by the little guy then the little guy is forced to buy it again, at higher rate of course.
Im saying that We are being screwed.
I shouldn't have to defend the obvious. A good rule would really be expect to be grilled by taxed over obvious things because taxed wants to argue. :laugh:
And that^ would be great, but it's not what happens, it's not reality. You're arguing for fiction, not unlike the Liberal who argues for world peace. :sad:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 03:01:42 PM
I don't really disagree, but I can't see where it matters when Government is so obviously owned by the rich. Throw out the government and We're still owned by the same satanic master, aren't We?
If that's truly the case, I'll bet the rich aren't very happy with Obummer right now. He's promising to smash them and redistribute their money. :tounge:
I suppose it could get worse though. I'd hate to see a poor person in the white house, with Obama's attitude. The key is to make government understand that all of us own them. Stealing from the rich to give to the supposed poor, will accomplish nothing. The poor are poor for a reason, and it ain't because they're victims of the rich.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 02:52:13 PM
Liberals by nature are anti-American? Please feel free to elaborate as well. And please, the "they want to destroy Our defense and tradition argument is false".
Honestly, Liberals seem to want to allow more money to better things than bombs, and that makes perfect sense. They also preserve Our traditions a bit better than the conservatives, lol, We're a land created by illegal immigrants and those damn Liberals love them to pieces. :tounge:
No. Liberals support theft of property by the government and promotes class envy. They are typically anti-Second Amendment, and want the US to be weaker in defense. All round, liberals are terrible for our society, and if not for legislation passed by liberals, they would all just die out.
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I never said there weren't bailouts before Bush and Obama. I just said that Bush started bailouts that Obama ran with.
I was disagreeing with you that Bush didn't start the bailouts. You added your own context after the fact.
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I was saying that both conservatives and Libs were spending to much and then I used the two Presidents for reference.
If You're really trying to say that I meant Bush is the first to bailout fat cats in history than You misunderstood, Or maybe I should specify the obvious a bit more. :smile:
I'm still waiting to see what conservatives contributed to bailouts.... Let me know when you have those links.
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Here, I said - "Anytime an 'allocation of capital is combined with self-management' greed is present. From the Liberal big government to the conservative free market. The problem is the peoples perversion of an idea in search for self interest. "
What I'm saying is that We are a nation that gives blank checks to big businesses, there's no "free market" its bought and paid for by the little guy then the little guy is forced to buy it again, at higher rate of course.
Im saying that We are being screwed.
If you are saying government is the problem, then I agree.
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I shouldn't have to defend the obvious. A good rule would really be expect to be grilled by taxed over obvious things because taxed wants to argue. :laugh:
It wasn't obvious.
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And that^ would be great, but it's not what happens, it's not reality. You're arguing for fiction, not unlike the Liberal who argues for world peace. :sad:
It is reality if we change direction and vote in more conservatives. A free market is possible. World peace isn't.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
No. Liberals support theft of property by the government and promotes class envy. They are typically anti-Second Amendment, and want the US to be weaker in defense. All round, liberals are terrible for our society, and if not for legislation passed by liberals, they would all just die out.
I agree that Liberals tend to stand anti-Second Amendment and I dislike that stance, but I disagree that They're, as a whole, bad on Our Society. They tend to have a deep care for People, and that's needed. What would be a good mix, IMO, is the Liberal heart, and the conservative mind.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
I was disagreeing with you that Bush didn't start the bailouts. You added your own context after the fact.
I didnt know I needed to explain history before referring to the recent bailouts. You're nit picking my words for argument sake. It's ok though, I now know I need to expound on My thoughts in the future. I shouldn't expect others to follow the obvious. I appreciate the lesson. :thumbup:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
I'm still waiting to see what conservatives contributed to bailouts.... Let me know when you have those links.
Even if I provide a links to a conservative that was for the bailouts, like bush, You will simply say that 'they're not conservative'. Its happened already, go back and re-read.
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
If you are saying government is the problem, then I agree.
Im saying that People are the problem. Hope We can still agree though. :smile:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
It wasn't obvious.
Should've been, but then again You've thought me 'uninformed and young' thus far so sadly Youve jumped to yet another false conclusion. :sad:
Quote from: taxed on July 09, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
It is reality if we change direction and vote in more conservatives. A free market is possible. World peace isn't.
Voting in more conservatives will be no different than voting in more liberals, specially being that corporations, even foreign ones, are allowed to buy Them these days.
http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/editorial/ci_21031466/corporations-get-more-political-say (http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/editorial/ci_21031466/corporations-get-more-political-say)
Quote from: kramarat on July 09, 2012, 03:24:22 PM
If that's truly the case, I'll bet the rich aren't very happy with Obummer right now. He's promising to smash them and redistribute their money. :tounge:
I suppose it could get worse though. I'd hate to see a poor person in the white house, with Obama's attitude. The key is to make government understand that all of us own them. Stealing from the rich to give to the supposed poor, will accomplish nothing. The poor are poor for a reason, and it ain't because they're victims of the rich.
Eh, Im sure they're just fine with Him. For the most part He's done exactly as they're bush patsy had done. LOL, He's even gone further though, now we're going to be mandated to pay big insurance as if We were automobiles on the road of life. Lovely, being taxed with corporate representation. :cursing:
I disagree about 'the poor being the poor for a reason' though, Unless the reason is that when lots of people are scrambling to have the bigger house, car, boat, etc Then someones bound to be left out. The more one conserves, the less there is to go around.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 04:10:52 PM
Even if I provide a links to a conservative that was for the bailouts
Allow me to reiterate the point people keep trying to get through to you.
They are not Conservatives if they act like liberals and give the tax payers money away as if it's their own to give.
Bailouts of any kind for private industry is socialism, plain and simple!
There is no such thing as too big to fail, someone will take it's place.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 04:16:53 PM
Eh, Im sure they're just fine with Him. For the most part He's done exactly as they're bush patsy had done. LOL, He's even gone further though, now we're going to be mandated to pay big insurance as if We were automobiles on the road of life. Lovely, being taxed with corporate representation. :cursing:
I disagree about 'the poor being the poor for a reason' though, Unless the reason is that when lots of people are scrambling to have the bigger house, car, boat, etc Then someones bound to be left out. The more one conserves, the less there is to go around.
Nice try. Some people will only ever be qualified to clean houses or wash cars. It doesn't entitle them to a $70K a year salary. Life just isn't fair or equal. The left is in the process of destroying our country, trying to make it that way.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 04:16:53 PM
I disagree about 'the poor being the poor for a reason' though, Unless the reason is that when lots of people are scrambling to have the bigger house, car, boat, etc Then someones bound to be left out. The more one conserves, the less there is to go around.
Can you expand on that? Are you saying that if people save money, there's less to go around?
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Can you expand on that? Are you saying that if people save money, there's less to go around?
Hmm..When I save money, I invest the money. People use it and I get more back in return so I can invest more. Works for me.
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2012, 04:36:22 PM
Allow me to reiterate the point people keep trying to get through to you.
They are not Conservatives if they act like liberals and give the tax payers money away as if it's their own to give.
Bailouts of any kind for private industry is socialism, plain and simple!
There is no such thing as too big to fail, someone will take it's place.
The problem is the people who are trying to get through to Me are the same People that are still saying things like this-
Quote from: Taxed on July 09, 2012, 04:36:22 PM
It is reality if we change direction and vote in more conservatives.
That's^ just like trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Taxed has already stated that He's aware that Bailouts for big business/rich are not new.
All I was saying, to begin with, was Conservatives and Libs are spending to much and giving away Our money to big business, and it needs to stop.
I agree, there should be no such thing as to big to fail.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 05:06:58 PM
The problem is the people who are trying to get through to Me are the same People that are still saying things like this-
That's^ just like trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Taxed has already stated that He's aware that Bailouts for big business/rich are not new.
All I was saying, to begin with, was Conservatives and Libs are spending to much and giving away Our money to big business, and it needs to stop.
I agree, there should be no such thing as to big to fail.
I think you are using Conservative and Republican interchangeably - they are not interchangeable. A Conservative does not have to be a Republican and likewise, a Republican is not necessarily a Conservative.
Conservatives, true Conservatives, believe as you do - there should be no such thing as "too big to fail".
Most of the spending spree is the brain child of Democrats and weak-kneed non-conservative Republicans!
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Solar on July 09, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Can you expand on that? Are you saying that if people save money, there's less to go around?
I'm saying that life is a lot like a game of musical chairs, some will find a seat, some wont. It's not always because people are just not smarter than the other, like some believe. To put it simply, everyone, IMO, is trying to grab a seat, and sadly there's not always enough to go around.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 05:14:43 PM
I'm saying that life is a lot like a game of musical chairs, some will find a seat, some wont. It's not always because people are just not smarter than the other, like some believe. To put it simply, everyone, IMO, is trying to grab a seat, and sadly there's not always enough to go around.
Ah, the limited supply fallacy.
In
real life, if there are not enough chairs, then someone, somewhere is willing to build more and sell them to the people who don't have them!
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 09, 2012, 05:20:12 PM
Ah, the limited supply fallacy.
In real life, if there are not enough chairs, then someone, somewhere is willing to build more and sell them to the people who don't have them!
-Dr Watt
Sounds great, but tell that to them-
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Or them -
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The list goes on and on.
Education is key, if You do not have the best education Your chances are not as good as the People with. Education is a resource in great scarcity. Money drives the best educators to the best schools that cost, yep, money. Not everyone can afford to send their kids to the best schools.
Am I saying that many people cant bring themselves from rags to riches? No. I'm just saying that not everyone will be able to grab a seat in the wealthy circle. And its not always Their fault.
Do they really need high speed trains to link LA and San Fransisco? it would make sense if it was linking LA and Dallas for example. or Chicago. I don't see the necessity.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 05:33:52 PM
Sounds great, but tell that to them-
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Or them -
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The list goes on and on.
Education is key, if You do not have the best education Your chances are not as good as the People with. Education is a resource in great scarcity. Money drives the best educators to the best schools that cost, yep, money. Not everyone can afford to send their kids to the best schools.
Am I saying that many people cant bring themselves from rags to riches? No. I'm just saying that not everyone will be able to grab a seat in the wealthy circle. And its not always Their fault.
Um, excuse me, I thought this thread was about high-speed rail in California. Can you explain to me what these photos of sick children in Africa have to do with high-speed rail in California?
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 09, 2012, 06:06:43 PM
Um, excuse me, I thought this thread was about high-speed rail in California. Can you explain to me what these photos of sick children in Africa have to do with high-speed rail in California?
I was addressing comments that were thrown my way. But, to answer Your question, that Money from the high-speed rail could/should go somewhere better, like starving children.
I think that money -- printed by our federal government and as such, a tax -- could go to reduce the federal budget deficit. People in Africa are responsible for figuring out how to feed their children. I am not. Neither are you.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 05:06:58 PM
The problem is the people who are trying to get through to Me are the same People that are still saying things like this-
That's^ just like trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Taxed has already stated that He's aware that Bailouts for big business/rich are not new.
All I was saying, to begin with, was Republicans and Libs are spending to much and giving away Our money to big business, and it needs to stop.
I agree, there should be no such thing as to big to fail.
Again, you're still missing the point, there is a HUGE difference in a Republican/RINO and a Conservative.
When you say "Conservatives do this and that", you are misrepresenting the base, the true Right.
I fixed your sentence so you can better understand where all of us are coming from.
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 09, 2012, 06:46:32 PM
I think that money -- printed by our federal government and as such, a tax -- could go to reduce the federal budget deficit. People in Africa are responsible for figuring out how to feed their children. I am not. Neither are you.
It sure could go to that, but it's not. Hell, to be honest , as much as We've given to failed companies, We could do a lot of good in both areas.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 07:01:40 PM
It sure could go to that, but it's not. Hell, to be honest , as much as We've given to failed companies, We could do a lot of good in both areas.
Curiosity... Why do you capitalize the word "we?"
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 09, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
Curiosity... Why do you capitalize the word "we?"
The collective mindset...
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 09, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
Curiosity... Why do you capitalize the word "we?"
I don't know, I just tend to do it. Maybe it's because I feel that if I is worthy of capitalization for most than We should be too? Not sure really.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 07:25:36 PM
I don't know, I just tend to do it. Maybe it's because I feel that if I is worthy of capitalization for most than We should be too? Not sure really.
I don't think capitalizing "I" is a question of worthiness. It is a rule of basic English grammar. No such rule exists for plurals like "we" or "us" or "our."
Perhaps our sentences would look silly with "i" strewn across them. For sure, your sentences look silly with "We" stuck all over them.
Just my $.02.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 06:18:28 PM
I was addressing comments that were thrown my way. But, to answer Your question, that Money from the high-speed rail could/should go somewhere better, like starving children.
They are residents wasting away under the tax policies of California...
So is California doing this before or after the go bankrupt and are absorbed into the federal government as a non-state entity?
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 09, 2012, 07:49:15 PM
I don't think capitalizing "I" is a question of worthiness. It is a rule of basic English grammar. No such rule exists for plurals like "we" or "us" or "our."
Perhaps our sentences would look silly with "i" strewn across them. For sure, your sentences look silly with "We" stuck all over them.
Just my $.02.
Thanks for Your $.02, but I can't promise anything. We just looks good to Me When We starts With a capital W. :biggrin:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 05:33:52 PM
Sounds great, but tell that to them-
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Actually, tell that to the Marxist authoritarians who are running their country into the ground!
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Or them -
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The list goes on and on.
Education is key, if You do not have the best education Your chances are not as good as the People with. Education is a resource in great scarcity. Money drives the best educators to the best schools that cost, yep, money. Not everyone can afford to send their kids to the best schools.
Am I saying that many people cant bring themselves from rags to riches? No. I'm just saying that not everyone will be able to grab a seat in the wealthy circle. And its not always Their fault.
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So, it is America's job to educate the world?
Robert Mugabee, has advanced degrees from some of the most prestigious schools in Africa. And yet, he has taken what once was known as Africa's Breadbasket - Rhodesia - and with his Marxist redistributionist polices so impoverished the country that Zimbabwe can not even feed its own populace!
It is a template which has been repeated numerous times in the African Continent. Wherever you see poverty and starvation, in the world, 9 times out of 10 you will see a Marxist strongman in control.
It is not so much an education, but what one chooses to do with it.
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 09, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
So, it is America's job to educate the world?
Its those that are capable and willing to work for a possible better world that may take upon themselves the task of educating if they so wish.
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 09, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
Robert Mugabee, has advanced degrees from some of the most prestigious schools in Africa. And yet, he has taken what once was known as Africa's Breadbasket - Rhodesia - and with his Marxist redistributionist polices so impoverished the country that Zimbabwe can not even feed its own populace!
It is a template which has been repeated numerous times in the African Continent. Wherever you see poverty and starvation, in the world, 9 times out of 10 you will see a Marxist strongman in control.
It is not so much an education, but what one chooses to do with it.
-Dr Watt
I agree that what One chooses to do with Their education is key, however, One must first have said education to have that opportunity.
-hfishjr81 :smile:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 06:18:28 PM
I was addressing comments that were thrown my way. But, to answer Your question, that Money from the high-speed rail could/should go somewhere better, like starving children.
I guess you hadn't heard, but Ca is broke and in debt, and now wants to spend money it actually doesn't have.
Kids in other countries are simply going to have to wait for us to get out of debt.
Oh, and that debt in Ca is 100% the dims fault and no one else.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 06:01:53 AM
I guess you hadn't heard, but Ca is broke and in debt, and now wants to spend money it actually doesn't have.
Kids in other countries are simply going to have to wait for us to get out of debt.
Oh, and that debt in Ca is 100% the dims fault and no one else.
Often these starving kids are sitting on top of Oil, Gas, Valuable Mineral deposits and fertile soil. These reason they are starving is political chaos and economic theories that just don't work in the real world. The US can't help them with that.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 10, 2012, 06:49:14 AM
Often these starving kids are sitting on top of Oil, Gas, Valuable Mineral deposits and fertile soil. These reason they are starving is political chaos and economic theories that just don't work in the real world. The US can't help them with that.
Many live in shit hole countries with tin pot dictators, but that's not the concern of Ca, let them workout their own problems, I don't give a damn.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 07:10:57 AM
Many live in shit hole countries with tin pot dictators, but that's not the concern of Ca, let them workout their own problems, I don't give a damn.
Yeah. The Third world now rules itself. No more "evil imperialists" "exploiting" them. You' are now being misruled by the guys from over in the next village. Aren't things so much better! :wink:
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 06:01:53 AM
I guess you hadn't heard, but Ca is broke and in debt, and now wants to spend money it actually doesn't have.
Kids in other countries are simply going to have to wait for us to get out of debt.
Oh, and that debt in Ca is 100% the dims fault and no one else.
We're all broke and in debt spending money We actually don't have. All I was saying is that I'd rather see that money being spent on something good, like feeding starving kids, no matter where they are. I dont believe that to be a bad thing, especially if we're simply going to flush the money away down a high-speed rail.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 07:10:57 AM
I don't give a damn.
I give a damn about kids here and elsewhere. I see the money that has been stolen from us and wonder how many people We could've helped instead. I don't see why anyone wouldn't care about children. :blink:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 07:47:30 AM
I give a damn about kids here and elsewhere. I see the money that has been stolen from us and wonder how many people We could've helped instead. I don't see why anyone wouldn't care about children. :blink:
Then ask all your liberal friends why they support Roe v Wade, which has murdered more than
50 MILLION unborn American citizens without benefit of a trial or appeal.
Democrats are murderous lying weasels who routinely kill kids, but assure us that if WE only spend OUR money on liberal demands, it will all come out fine in the end.....
Quote from: quiller on July 10, 2012, 08:00:39 AM
Then ask all your liberal friends why they support Roe v Wade, which has murdered more than 50 MILLION unborn American citizens without benefit of a trial or appeal.
Democrats are murderous lying weasels who routinely kill kids, but assure us that if WE only spend OUR money on liberal demands, it will all come out fine in the end.....
I don't support abortion, but I know lots of Republicans and Dems who have been down that road. It's not for Me to tell a Woman what She can do in that regard, sadly. But I do wish We could sterilize those that do choose that path more than once.
Hey, an even better fix, and it would help with Our money issues, make people qualify to get a license for pregnancy. Mandatory birth control, unless You can show us Your bank statements that prove You can support a child, proper living arrangements etc etc! :love:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 07:47:30 AM
I give a damn about kids here and elsewhere. I see the money that has been stolen from us and wonder how many people We could've helped instead. I don't see why anyone wouldn't care about children. :blink:
As an individual, I care, but as a Taxpayer, I don't give a damn, there is a distinct difference.
Govt, whether it be local or Federal, has no right giving our treasure, in an attempt to claim they are feeding starving kids, money that never reaches it's objective, but rather props up the regime forcing said starvation.
Charity is an individuals responsibility, always has been, until Dims started handing it out to buy votes.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 08:54:42 AM
As an individual, I care, but as a Taxpayer, I don't give a damn, there is a distinct difference.
As an individual and as a tax payer You've been robbed. Curious though, would it have been better in both eyes to feed children, or build a High-speed rail when one isn't needed?
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 08:54:42 AM
Govt, whether it be local or Federal, has no right giving our treasure, in an attempt to claim they are feeding starving kids, money that never reaches it's objective, but rather props up the regime forcing said starvation.
Charity is an individuals responsibility, always has been, until Dims started handing it out to buy votes.
Dems , and Republicans, have been handing it out to buy votes.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 09:12:00 AM
As an individual and as a tax payer You've been robbed. Curious though, would it have been better in both eyes to feed children, or build a High-speed rail when one isn't needed?
Dems , and Republicans, have been handing it out to buy votes.
There is no, either or, it is not the Govt money to give away or steal for pet projects.
And no, the Dims
give steal far more for social programs to buy votes.
That's why you have morons claiming Hussein will pay their bills for them.
Are you really this misinformed, or just that biased?
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 09:27:59 AM
There is no, either or, it is not the Govt money to give away or steal for pet projects.
But both sides do take our money and give it away, mainly to big business.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 09:27:59 AM
And no, the Dims give steal far more for social programs to buy votes.
That's why you have morons claiming Hussein will pay their bills for them.
The problem is both sides allow big business to steal from the little guy, You and Me. We tax payers are being screwed and We're still fighting over who's the better politician. It's sad.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 09:27:59 AM
Are you really this misinformed, or just that biased?
Are You really so biased as to look past Our actual problem for the sake of simply sticking it to the Dems?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 09:44:36 AM
But both sides do take our money and give it away, mainly to big business.
The problem is both sides allow big business to steal from the little guy, You and Me. We tax payers are being screwed and We're still fighting over who's the better politician. It's sad.
Absolutely correct, but the right doesn't hand it out in the form of social programs to buy votes.
QuoteAre You really so biased as to look past Our actual problem for the sake of simply sticking it to the Dems?
Look around you, look at the state of the economy, 4 trillion added to the debt under Hussein with the Dims in control of both Houses.
Add to that, we have nothing to show for it, but a higher unemployment rate, all under the guise of saving the planet.
Am I biased? You bet your ass I am.
The Dims are destroying this country at a rapid rate, the Pubs just do it slower, both parties suck, the Dims suck far worse.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
Absolutely correct, but the right doesn't hand it out in the form of social programs to buy votes.
I don't like Our money being given away for votes, no matter what program it is. I'd rather Our money go to programs that help educate people so Our future will possibly be brighter.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
Look around you, look at the state of the economy, 4 trillion added to the debt under Hussein with the Dims in control of both Houses.
Add to that, we have nothing to show for it, but a higher unemployment rate, all under the guise of saving the planet.
Am I biased? You bet your ass I am.
The Dims are destroying this country at a rapid rate, the Pubs just do it slower, both parties suck, the Dims suck far worse.
Both parties suck. I agree 100%. And the end result under both is still a destroyed nation.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
I don't like Our money being given away for votes, no matter what program it is. I'd rather Our money go to programs that help educate people so Our future will possibly be brighter.
Both parties suck. I agree 100%. And the end result under both is still a destroyed nation.
Then I would think you might consider supporting the Tea party candidates.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 11:25:58 AM
Then I would think you might consider supporting the Tea party candidates.
I guess I'd consider it, if I thought it would do any good. Will it?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 11:33:54 AM
I guess I'd consider it, if I thought it would do any good. Will it?
Quite honestly, it's our only chance, I hope it makes a difference, Nov will tell us if we made a difference or not.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 11:36:18 AM
Quite honestly, it's our only chance, I hope it makes a difference, Nov will tell us if we made a difference or not.
Our only chance at what? What good will they do, IYO?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 11:45:18 AM
Our only chance at what? What good will they do, IYO?
Were headed towards socialism, the Tea party wants to reverse that, we want to gut agencies that have the ability to write law through policy without the consent of Congress. Think EPA for starters.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
Were headed towards socialism, the Tea party wants to reverse that, we want to gut agencies that have the ability to write law through policy without the consent of Congress. Think EPA for starters.
Hasn't it already been socialism for the rich? I think we reached that destination long ago.
The tea party wants to reverse that? Will they actually try to reverse corporate rule?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 11:54:17 AM
Hasn't it already been socialism for the rich? I think we reached that destination long ago.
The tea party wants to reverse that? Will they actually try to reverse corporate rule?
Which corporations own Obama? Some may
think they do, they will simply be the last to fall.
You sure are a chatty SOB.
You also seem to have a big problem with the rich. Money doesn't buy happiness.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 12:03:19 PM
Which corporations own Obama? Some may think they do, they will simply be the last to fall.
Please explain.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 12:03:19 PM
You sure are a chatty SOB.
:cool:
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 12:03:19 PM
You also seem to have a big problem with the rich. Money doesn't buy happiness.
I have a big problem with the already rich being given Our money, money that We really dont have.
And true, money doesn't buy happiness, but it does buy education and food for starving children, etc.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 07:45:21 AM
We're all broke and in debt spending money We actually don't have. All I was saying is that I'd rather see that money being spent on something good, like feeding starving kids, no matter where they are. I dont believe that to be a bad thing, especially if we're simply going to flush the money away down a high-speed rail.
Fishy, this is going to be a difficult request from me, but I want you to do something... I need you to think. I know, I know, it hurts you, but see if you can give an intelligent post as to how the government can solve kids from starving.
I have faith in you. You can do this.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 11:54:17 AM
Hasn't it already been socialism for the rich? I think we reached that destination long ago.
The tea party wants to reverse that? Will they actually try to reverse corporate rule?
Have you forgotten were a Capitalist Nation?
Shrinking Govt is what the Tea party wants to do, in turn, it would take away corporate influence.
The Dims want the exact opposite, they want to grow govt, this would give them more influence over private industry, like making deals with them for support, in turn they get influence and tax breaks.
Shrink Govt, you get the opposite effect.
Yes, the Tea party is our last chance to turn the country around.
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 12:12:59 PM
Fishy, this is going to be a difficult request from me, but I want you to do something... I need you to think. I know, I know, it hurts you, but see if you can give an intelligent post as to how the government can solve kids from starving.
I have faith in you. You can do this.
Please act like an Admin with a little bit of honesty and integrity, I know it may be difficult for You but I'll wait and keep My fingers crossed.
I have faith in You. :rolleyes:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
Please act like an Admin with a little bit of honesty and integrity, I know it may be difficult for You but I'll wait and keep My fingers crossed.
I have faith in You. :rolleyes:
Explain how our government can effectively "feed starving children". If you can't do it, then you concede that you post ideas that you know nothing about, or how to accomplish. This goes to your lack of experience.
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 12:28:40 PM
Explain how our government can effectively "feed starving children". If you can't do it, then you concede that you post ideas that you know nothing about, or how to accomplish. This goes to your lack of experience.
Our government doesn't seem capable of doing anything good "effectively". But rather than giving blank checks to big business We could've fed quite a few kids. Do You not agree?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Our government doesn't seem capable of doing anything good "effectively". But rather than giving blank checks to big business We could've fed quite a few kids. Do You not agree?
Blank Checks, Really, seriously? :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
Blank Checks, Really, seriously? :lol:
Can We track down all the money thats been given to big business in the name of to big to fail?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
Can We track down all the money thats been given to big business in the name of to big to fail?
Sure.
Solyndra (sp) comes to mind.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Our government doesn't seem capable of doing anything good "effectively". But rather than giving blank checks to big business We could've fed quite a few kids. Do You not agree?
Good post! Our government does nothing effectively. They need to remove themselves completely from both big business
and feeding the starving kids. Laws are on the books to keep big business in line. The only thing the government needs to concern themselves with, is
enforcing those laws...............................they even suck at that.
If the morons are looking for ways to spend money, I'd suggest they look at the debt clock, and go to work on reversing it.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Our government doesn't seem capable of doing anything good "effectively". But rather than giving blank checks to big business We could've fed quite a few kids. Do You not agree?
Government should not be giving money to businesses. Conservatives believe in competition and fiscal responsibility. RINOs and libs do not.
No on the children, because I haven't heard of an effective plan on how to do so. Until you can articulate how the government can do that job better than private individuals and companies, then you are just spinning your bleeding heart wheels with no brains in the driver's seat.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 12:54:47 PM
Blank Checks, Really, seriously? :lol:
He keeps pushing that like we support bailouts or something...
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 12:59:16 PM
Good post! Our government does nothing effectively. They need to remove themselves completely from both big business and feeding the starving kids. Laws are on the books to keep big business in line. The only thing the government needs to concern themselves with, is enforcing those laws...............................they even suck at that.
If the morons are looking for ways to spend money, I'd suggest they look at the debt clock, and go to work on reversing it.
I agree, and I would think that some firmer laws should be set in plase for companies that can really do harm, i.e. Oil industry etc.
Reversing the debt clock would be nice, but it seems to Me that the powers that be have found us a sinking ship and our collecting as many valuables as possible before escaping on the golden life rafts. :sad:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:08:48 PM
I agree, and I would think that some firmer laws should be set in plase for companies that can really do harm, i.e. Oil industry etc.
Reversing the debt clock would be nice, but it seems to Me that the powers that be have found us a sinking ship and our collecting as many valuables as possible before escaping on the golden life rafts. :sad:
Please explain the harm that the Oil industry is doing.
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 01:03:13 PM
No on the children, because I haven't heard of an effective plan on how to do so. Until you can articulate how the government can do that job better than private individuals and companies, then you are just spinning your bleeding heart wheels with no brains in the driver's seat.
Ive already said that greed keeps people from doing whats right in previous posts. There is no effective plan to surpass the human desire for more.
Ive said "I wish" when referring to feeding the children because I don't believe People have progressed passed the point of selfishness just yet. I wish it would happen sooner rather than later.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:08:48 PM
I agree, and I would think that some firmer laws should be set in plase for companies that can really do harm, i.e. Oil industry etc.
How does the oil industry harm us? Last time I checked, they get the resources from under the Earth into our cars and machines. Why do you have a problem with that?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
Ive already said that greed keeps people from doing whats right in previous posts. There is no effective plan to surpass the human desire for more.
Ive said "I wish" when referring to feeding the children because I don't believe People have progressed passed the point of selfishness just yet. I wish it would happen sooner rather than later.
You are pretty good at making sweeping blanket statements (emotionally driven) without providing much to back up the generalities you are tossing around.
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 01:12:16 PM
How does the oil industry harm us? Last time I checked, they get the resources from under the Earth into our cars and machines. Why do you have a problem with that?
Are You serious? I'm all for having a car but I do hope We find a better cleaner source of fuel.
Do You not see a problem with the amount of damage that's caused to the earth and its inhabitants from the industry?
Quote from: rich_t on July 10, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
You are pretty good at making sweeping blanket statements (emotionally driven) without providing much to back up the generalities you are tossing around.
Which statements? The ones about wishing We could help starving kids?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:08:48 PM
I agree, and I would think that some firmer laws should be set in plase for companies that can really do harm, i.e. Oil industry etc.
Reversing the debt clock would be nice, but it seems to Me that the powers that be have found us a sinking ship and our collecting as many valuables as possible before escaping on the golden life rafts. :sad:
At the moment, the oil industry is controlled by OPEC. We can't pass laws against them. There is a moratorium on oil exploration and drilling within the US. The moratorium was put in place by Obama. What little oil we're producing, is coming from privately owned land in the midwest. Obama can't stop it. If he could, he would.
Mr Obama, working in lockstep with the EPA and the Sierra Club, is doing a wonderful job of destroying big business.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
Ive already said that greed keeps people from doing whats right in previous posts.
Please give us your definition of greed, and how it can hurt us within the bounds of competition.
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There is no effective plan to surpass the human desire for more.
May I ask how you are getting your thoughts from your head to the forum? How does that happen? (another thinking exercise for you).
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Ive said "I wish" when referring to feeding the children because I don't believe People have progressed passed the point of selfishness just yet. I wish it would happen sooner rather than later.
I'm not sure what circles you hang out in. Must be a bunch of liberals. Us private people give in different ways, from cash to providing opportunity and showing someone how to catch a fish, versus just giving them a fish. You are out of your league talking about helping people.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
Are You serious? I'm all for having a car but I do hope We find a better cleaner source of fuel.
Do You not see a problem with the amount of damage that's caused to the earth and its inhabitants from the industry?
Can you answer the question or not?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
Are You serious? I'm all for having a car but I do hope We find a better cleaner source of fuel.
Do You not see a problem with the amount of damage that's caused to the earth and its inhabitants from the industry?
Where?
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 01:19:37 PM
Please give us your definition of greed, and how it can hurt us within the bounds of competition.
May I ask how you are getting your thoughts from your head to the forum? How does that happen? (another thinking exercise for you).
I'm not sure what circles you hang out in. Must be a bunch of liberals. Us private people give in different ways, from cash to providing opportunity and showing someone how to catch a fish, versus just giving them a fish. You are out of your league talking about helping people.
Ive said that I wish We would've given aid to starving children rather than giving money to big business that were failing, and You come at Me with all that^? Seriously man, You need to chill out, Im only wishing for a better, cleaner, world.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
Ive said that I wish We would've given aid to starving children rather than giving money to big business that were failing, and You come at Me with all that^? Seriously man, You need to chill out, Im only wishing for a better, cleaner, world.
You use a word you can't define, then try to hide behind your innocent attempt to make the world a better place.
You are funny.
Quote from: rich_t on July 10, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
Can you answer the question or not?
If there was a car that ran on sunshine and happy thoughts, I'd be the first in line to buy one. What our friend doesn't seem to be able to grasp, is that you can't wipe out entire industries, with nothing to replace them with.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:18:55 PM
Which statements? The ones about wishing We could help starving kids?
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Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 01:26:26 PM
If there was a car that ran on sunshine and happy thoughts, I'd be the first in line to buy one. What our friend doesn't seem to be able to grasp, is that you can't wipe out entire industries, with nothing to replace them with.
So We can send rovers to mars but We cant find a better fuel source for cars? I find that hard to believe.
The problem is We would wipe out industries and those industries dont want that.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 01:26:26 PM
If there was a car that ran on sunshine and happy thoughts, I'd be the first in line to buy one. What our friend doesn't seem to be able to grasp, is that you can't wipe out entire industries, with nothing to replace them with.
Hell, I'm just waiting for him to point out the harm being done by the oil industry.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
Can We track down all the money thats been given to big business in the name of to big to fail?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'll give you that one. :thumbup:
But keep in mind, it was a Dim thing to do, not a Conservative idea.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
So We can send rovers to mars but We cant find a better fuel source for cars? I find that hard to believe.
The problem is We would wipe out industries and those industries dont want that.
The Mars rover was pretty small to try to use for driving to work or to the store don't you think?
Are you going to tell us what harm the oil industry is doing or not?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
So We can send rovers to mars but We cant find a better fuel source for cars? I find that hard to believe.
The problem is We would wipe out industries and those industries dont want that.
That is because you don't understand competition and the free market.
Also, how would the oil industries be wiped out? I know you won't answer, but if you did, please make this good!
Quote from: rich_t on July 10, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
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Lets start here at the first one-
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"Hasn't it already been socialism for the rich? I think we reached that destination long ago.
The tea party wants to reverse that? Will they actually try to reverse corporate rule?"
There's questions in there that I don't believe were answered. Other than that Were's the "blanket statement"?
Now here You go, all of You have a tendency to attack and question others but rarely do You give answers in return.
There, a blanket statement. LOL :ttoung:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
So We can send rovers to mars but We cant find a better fuel source for cars? I find that hard to believe.
The problem is We would wipe out industries and those industries dont want that.
Careful. You're sliding off the rails here. Do we need to move to the conspiracy forum?
Mars has a very thin atmosphere, and much less gravitational pull than the earth does. The latest Mars rover is powered by a very small nuclear reactor, combined with solar. Please don't tell me that you think the auto industry, in conjunction with big oil, is sitting on technology that would power our cars for next to nothing, or get 500 miles a gallon. It doesn't exist.
If you'd like to discuss your theories in detail, I can recommend another forum for you to do it. Brace yourself.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 01:41:15 PM
Careful. You're sliding off the rails here. Do we need to move to the conspiracy forum?
No, but if You truly believe that oil companies dont want a cleaner easier energy than You're being naive.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 01:41:15 PM
Mars has a very thin atmosphere, and much less gravitational pull than the earth does. The latest Mars rover is powered by a very small nuclear reactor, combined with solar. Please don't tell me that you think the auto industry, in conjunction with big oil, is sitting on technology that would power our cars for next to nothing, or get 500 miles a gallon. It doesn't exist.
Im just saying that there are and will be other possible viable energies that the industry will try to hold back for profit. Do You not agree?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
Are You serious? I'm all for having a car but I do hope We find a better cleaner source of fuel.
Do You not see a problem with the amount of damage that's caused to the earth and its inhabitants from the industry?
How about we do away with using oil altogether then, would that make you happy?
What are the limits you're willing to set?
American Oil companies are doing no harm to the planet, in fact, not drilling and releasing the pressure does far more damage to aquatic life in the ocean when it continues to bleed for thousands of sq miles, drilling relieves this pressure.
But drilling does nothing, it's how some countries use it or dispose of it, but drilling, no.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
No, but if You truly believe that oil companies dont want a cleaner easier energy than You're being naive.
Im just saying that there are and will be other possible viable energies that the industry will try to hold back for profit. Do You not agree?
What is the oil industry in business for? To earn a profit.
Don't you think that if there were other viable forms of energy out there that these oil companies would be working on them so they could earn a profit on them?
Companies are willing to make a profit on just about anything. They don't really care what it is. If wind or solar power (as examples) was viable, the private industries would be going balls to the walls trying to earn a profit on it.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
How about we do away with using oil altogether then, would that make you happy?
What are the limits you're willing to set?
Yes, if We could find a better cleaner source of energy, it would make me happy. You?
Please explain "limits"?
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
American Oil companies are doing no harm to the planet, in fact, not drilling and releasing the pressure does far more damage to aquatic life in the ocean when it continues to bleed for thousands of sq miles, drilling relieves this pressure.
A huge problem is oil corporations are all about bottom line and that effects lots of things from bad equipment on down. There are many fires and many costly spills. Not to mention the fracking that's been going on.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/04/17/environment-fracking-earthquake-studies.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/04/17/environment-fracking-earthquake-studies.html)
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Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:46:29 PM
But drilling does nothing, it's how some countries use it or dispose of it, but drilling, no.
I disagree, maybe drilling itself would be ok, but the companies bad handling and maintaining atop of the chemicals for cheaper easier access, just makes it bad.
This is going to be funny.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
No, but if You truly believe that oil companies dont want a cleaner easier energy than You're being naive.
Im just saying that there are and will be other possible viable energies that the industry will try to hold back for profit. Do You not agree?
The biggest and best manufacturers of solar panels are Shell and BP, they saw profit in making them.
So to claim they are trying to stifle alternative energies is simply ignorant.
They have the money to develop and profit off the next energy source and the resources to make it viable, and would only enhance their bottom line.
Keep in mind, American oil cos are held in the free mkt by investors, so to assume they have been killing the golden goose to continue business as usual makes no sense where profit is concerned.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
No, but if You truly believe that oil companies dont want a cleaner easier energy than You're being naive.
Im just saying that there are and will be other possible viable energies that the industry will try to hold back for profit. Do You not agree?
You just contradicted yourself and agreed with me. Of course oil companies want cleaner energy. They have the cash on hand, to fully exploit new technologies and increase profits.
I disagree. Oil companies do not have the power to squelch new technologies and energy sources. The world is a big place. What you are suggesting is logistically impossible.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 02:00:30 PM
You just contradicted yourself and agreed with me. Of course oil companies want cleaner energy. They have the cash on hand, to fully exploit new technologies and increase profits.
I disagree. Oil companies do not have the power to squelch new technologies and energy sources. The world is a big place. What you are suggesting is logistically impossible.
Fish has been convinced that oil is bad and no amount of logic is likely to change his/her mind.
Quote from: rich_t on July 10, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
Fish has been convinced that oil is bad and no amount of logic is likely to change his/her mind.
It's for that reason alone, Libs leave the forum, they hate having to face the fact that they've been swallowing a big lie.
Ignorance is a blissful place to live, among the Dim party.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
The biggest and best manufacturers of solar panels are Shell and BP, they saw profit in making them.
So to claim they are trying to stifle alternative energies is simply ignorant.
I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
They have the money to develop and profit off the next energy source and the resources to make it viable, and would only enhance their bottom line.
It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
Keep in mind, American oil cos are held in the free mkt by investors, so to assume they have been killing the golden goose to continue business as usual makes no sense where profit is concerned.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/ (http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/)
"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 02:05:22 PM
It's for that reason alone, Libs leave the forum, they hate having to face the fact that they've been swallowing a big lie.
Ignorance is a blissful place to live, among the Dim party.
Fishy is like that kid who takes their goldfish to the ocean to release it and set it free.... while sleeping at night thinking they helped the environment, while the poor little fish dies in saltwater.
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 02:09:18 PM
Fishy is like that kid who takes their goldfish to the ocean to release it and set it free.... while sleeping at night thinking they helped the environment, while the poor little fish dies in saltwater.
Come on Taxi, "try harder". :cool:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it. It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/ (http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/)
"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."
You are in outright denial of the facts.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it. It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.
Son, both Shell and BP hold patents on their process of making solar cells, because of this, they make the best cells on the mkt.
Now how do you suppose that effects the rest of the mkt?
It drives the price down, because other manufacturers can't compete with the higher quality, they make cheaper priced cells, and like all consumers, they generally buy the cheaper product because they all look alike, regardless of quality or output.
Quotehttp://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/ (http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/)
"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."
First off, I suggest you never use alternet as a reference, they are outright liars and I personally have shredded their writers with facts.
Secondly, Hussein gave BILLIONS to solar manufacturers, only to have nearly all of them go out of business.
So to claim they aren't getting funding is simply ignorant.
Quote from: rich_t on July 10, 2012, 02:16:11 PM
You are in outright denial of the facts.
I don't think it's denial, rather misinformed, he watches way to much TV.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 02:17:21 PM
Son, both Shell and BP hold patents on their process of making solar cells, because of this, they make the best cells on the mkt.
Now how do you suppose that effects the rest of the mkt?
It drives the price down, because other manufacturers can't compete with the higher quality, they make cheaper priced cells, and like all consumers, they generally buy the cheaper product because they all look alike, regardless of quality or output.
First off, I suggest you never use alternet as a reference, they are outright liars and I personally have shredded their writers with facts.
Secondly, Hussein gave BILLIONS to solar manufacturers, only to have nearly all of them go out of business.
So to claim they aren't getting funding is simply ignorant.
Thanks for the tip on the alternate.
As far as Solar companies going out of business goes, sure they will right now, drilling companies are still cheaply drilling, and fracking, providing at a cheaper cost for the common man. Lots of people cant afford energy efficient homes and automobiles. Its a vicious cycle.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
I disagree. Just because a company manufactures something doesnt mean they wont patent it and drive the price up on it. It's cheaper and easier to maintain the status qup for as long as possible.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/ (http://www.alternet.org/environment/155861/america_could_have_dropped_big_oil_decades_ago_--_what_happened/)
"just as timber, coal, oil, gas, and nuclear received enormously strong federal support, solar needs the same kind of government backing, which as of yet, the sector has not seen."
Alternet? This is a step below The Onion.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Thanks for the tip on the alternate.
As far as Solar companies going out of business goes, sure they will right now, drilling companies are still cheaply drilling, and fracking, providing at a cheaper cost for the common man. Lots of people cant afford energy efficient homes and automobiles. Its a vicious cycle.
Right now? No, the whole idea that somehow we could magically shift to solar energy was a Unicorn farts dream.
Shell and BP are still making panels because they are established, all the others are going under, simply because govt interfered with the free mkt. when it subsidized the industry, an industry that was working ust fine before Hussein destroyed it.
I spent more than two decades in the alternative field, as soon as the Govt got involved, I got out before they killed my business.
If you take anything away from this conversation, know that anytime Govt gets involved in an free mkt industry, they will kill it, that's just the way the animal bites.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Thanks for the tip on the alternate.
As far as Solar companies going out of business goes, sure they will right now, drilling companies are still cheaply drilling, and fracking, providing at a cheaper cost for the common man. Lots of people cant afford energy efficient homes and automobiles. Its a vicious cycle.
The loans that were given out to coal, nuclear, hydroelectric, etc., to build power plants, were
not guaranteed loans. They are an example of government using our money wisely. The loans were given to companies that were already up, running and profitable...............and all have been paid back with interest. By attempting to build a company from scratch, to the tune of half a billion dollars, Mr Obama has proven that he knows nothing about free market economies, or how our country works.
By handing over that money to Solyndra, Obama helped to kill competing companies and technologies. His experiment failed. His baby fell flat on it's face. And he used our money to do it. We're on the hook. The benefactors of his failed experiment, are now the rich that you claim to hate.
The day will come, that solar, wind, and all kinds of alternate energy sources, as well as new storage solutions, will come to the forefront. People will line up to buy them. That's how a free market economy works. Their time is not here yet, but it will be. If the government stops tampering with the fucking outcome, choosing the winners and losers, etc. The day will get here a lot sooner.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 02:45:44 PM
The loans that were given out to coal, nuclear, hydroelectric, etc., to build power plants, were not guaranteed loans. They are an example of government using our money wisely. The loans were given to companies that were already up, running and profitable...............and all have been paid back with interest. By attempting to build a company from scratch, to the tune of half a billion dollars, Mr Obama has proven that he knows nothing about free market economies, or how our country works.
By handing over that money to Solyndra, Obama helped to kill competing companies and technologies. His experiment failed. His baby fell flat on it's face. And he used our money to do it. We're on the hook. The benefactors of his failed experiment, are now the rich that you claim to hate.
The day will come, that solar, wind, and all kinds of alternate energy sources, as well as new storage solutions, will come to the forefront. People will line up to buy them. That's how a free market economy works. Their time is not here yet, but it will be. If the government stops tampering with the fucking outcome, choosing the winners and losers, etc. The day will get here a lot sooner.
That's the thing K, until a better battery comes along, alternatives have absolutely no place on the grid.
Coal, nuclear and hydro are all proven energy sources, yet the idiot child in the WH is trying to kill them all.
Can libs ever open their eyes?, Puppies do...
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
That's the thing K, until a better battery comes along, alternatives have absolutely no place on the grid.
Coal, nuclear and hydro are all proven energy sources, yet the idiot child in the WH is trying to kill them all.
Can libs ever open their eyes?, Puppies do...
I was just going to add one more thing.
If the government gets out of the way, removes the onerous taxes, regulations.....................and everything
else that stands in the way of smart people trying new things, we'll get there a lot faster.
Damn it's frustrating arguing with liberals. :mad:
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
I was just going to add one more thing.
If the government gets out of the way, removes the onerous taxes, regulations.....................and everything else that stands in the way of smart people trying new things, we'll get there a lot faster.
Damn it's frustrating arguing with liberals. :mad:
Yep, that was my point in the post at the top of this page.
Govt never, ever helps when it gets involved, it only creates mountains of regulations and paperwork.
One of the reasons I got out of the alternative energy field was...
I used to sell and install solar and inverters to switch it from DC to AC, the inverter came with a one year warranty, standard on most expensive electronics, when the State got involved and started giving away taxpayers money to those that bought these systems, they added a little catch, they wanted me to guarantee the system for 10 full years, regardless of the manufacturer warranty.
A year later, they extended this law to cover all systems, in turn killing smaller companies like mine, and playing favorites to the big ones that could absorb the added costs.
These inverters cost around 3 grand a piece, not to mention if for whatever reason the system were to fail, I was to be responsible for it, even if the idiot customer screwed it up, if I couldn't prove negligence on their part, I had to eat the cost.
I still do some work, but only for people I know or come recommended by my friend and the State cannot be involved in any way.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Thanks for the tip on the alternate.
As far as Solar companies going out of business goes, sure they will right now, drilling companies are still cheaply drilling, and fracking, providing at a cheaper cost for the common man. Lots of people cant afford energy efficient homes and automobiles. Its a vicious cycle.
What do you mean by energy efficient homes and automobiles? Most modern homes are very energy efficient and a diesel powered automobile is more efficient on petrol than a hybrid. and more affordable.
Quote from: kramarat on July 10, 2012, 02:45:44 PM
The day will come, that solar, wind, and all kinds of alternate energy sources, as well as new storage solutions, will come to the forefront. People will line up to buy them. That's how a free market economy works. Their time is not here yet, but it will be. If the government stops tampering with the fucking outcome, choosing the winners and losers, etc. The day will get here a lot sooner.
Sounds great. It's just to bad that time didn't come before the many huge oil spills and fires that have occurred.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 03:32:12 PM
Sounds great. It's just to bad that time didn't come before the many huge oil spills and fires that have occurred.
Are you aware of the amount of oil that the ground spews into the ocean every day?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
Are you aware of the amount of oil that the ground spews into the ocean every day?
Are You aware of the amount of chemicals drilling companies use?
Boo, just because something bad may happen naturally doesn't mean We should recreate it. Are You now going to advocate murder as well? :sad:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 03:53:00 PM
Are You aware of the amount of chemicals drilling companies use?
Boo, just because something bad may happen naturally doesn't mean We should recreate it. Are You now going to advocate murder as well? :sad:
Thank you for answering my question with a question. and then resorting to emotion rather than facts Two liberal traits. Anyway the point that sailed over your increasingly balding head is that the planet heals itself quickly. Within weeks after the BP spill was stopped the oil slick was no longer detectable and the seafood was safe to eat. Sure it would be great if we could power everything on fairy dust and unicorn dandruff but this isn't Utopia. It never will be. Deal with it.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
Are you aware of the amount of oil that the ground spews into the ocean every day?
I doubt he knows that.There have been more natural spill in a year than man has created since the discovery of oil. Right now oil is all over the shores of Santa Barbara, because a once thought dead used drill site was dry. It is refilling and overflowing, yet because of two different invirowhacko groups are battling over what to do. The local group wants to let the oil company back in for 10 years, the other one up north is suing to stop it. It's the same stupidity we see time and again from many of these groups. Here in San Diego it took ten years to break ground on a desalination plant. And that was a so called good thing until the invirowhackos got involved.Just before it opened, they were sued to get another impact study. concerning the local fish. The fish? Some of the best fishing on the coast is around the plant, and just about every oil rig off shore. We won't see wind farms or solar farms of any significance in this state, precisely because of opposing views of different invirowhackos groups.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
Within weeks after the BP spill was stopped the oil slick was no longer detectable and the seafood was safe to eat.
Emotion? Is it not fact that We shouldn't spill oil? And are You really going taking up for BP right now? Well, I guess You wouldn't be the only one. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html)
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 04:10:20 PM
Emotion? Is it not fact that We shouldn't spill oil? And are You really going taking up for BP right now? Well, I guess You wouldn't be the only one. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html)
We shouldn't spill oil, but accidents happen, and there is no long term damage.
You need a shoulder to cry on.
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
We shouldn't spill oil, but accidents happen, and there is no long term damage.
Glad You can at least admit to that^. It's a start. But there are long term damages, the extent of which though are unknown.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1999479,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1999479,00.html)
"The question is what shape the impact of that catastrophe will take — mentally, physically, emotionally — on the people of the Gulf, now and for generations to come. Much is unknown about the long-term health dangers of an oil spill; few spills have been studied in this way.
A group of doctors and scientists who gathered in New Orleans on June 22 and 23 for a conference on the issue, hastily put together by the Institute of Medicine, came to the inevitable conclusion that a massive, multilateral effort must be launched now to track the health effects of the spill over time — and that researchers were already falling behind. "We have an unknown number of people exposed to an unknown danger," said Dr. Lynn Goldman"
Quote from: taxed on July 10, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
You need a shoulder to cry on.
Thanks, everyone should have a shoulder to cry on. I will assist You as well. :smile:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 04:10:20 PM
Emotion? Is it not fact that We shouldn't spill oil? And are You really going taking up for BP right now? Well, I guess You wouldn't be the only one. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html)
Nice strawman cupcake. The issue isn't whether or not we should spill oil. No one spills oil on purpose. yes accidents have happened because of negligence but the planet has not been irreversibly damaged because of the accidents. So until we have
viable alternatives do not demonize fossil fuels. It's stupid and naive.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 05:11:50 PM
Nice strawman cupcake. The issue isn't whether or not we should spill oil. No one spills oil on purpose. yes accidents have happened because of negligence but the planet has not been irreversibly damaged because of the accidents. So until we have viable alternatives do not demonize fossil fuels. It's stupid and naive.
"Cupecake"? LOL,
Keep it clean, Fish....
And You can't claim straw man on a valid argument.
You said -
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
Are you aware of the amount of oil that the ground spews into the ocean every day?
Sorry Boo boo, but that reads, in the conversation that we were having, like You were saying oil spills are no biggy because it happens naturally. I commented based on what You said there. Maybe You should check, check and triple check before You post something. :smile:
Im also not as much demonizing the oil, more so the greedy Companies, really. I just wish We could hurry up the process of improving on what We currently have as options and maybe finding something even better.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
"Cupecake"? LOL, Keep it clean, Fish....
And You can't claim straw man on a valid argument.
You said -
Sorry Boo boo, but that reads, in the conversation that we were having, like You were saying oil spills are no biggy because it happens naturally. I commented based on what You said there. Maybe You should check, check and triple check before You post something. :smile:
Im also not as much demonizing the oil, more so the greedy Companies, really. I just wish We could hurry up the process of improving on what We currently have as options and maybe finding something even better.
Whether you like it or not, greed is why we are alive today.
If not for greed, the oil companies would have no reason to compete and the cost of oil would be out of reach for the average guy.
I too dislike greed for the sake of power, but it's a human factor the world needs.
Im also not as much demonizing the oil, more so the greedy Companies, really. I just wish We could hurry up the process of improving on what We currently have as options and maybe finding something even better.
Greedy companies?
Do you have any concept of what the US government makes, (in the form of taxes), off from fossil fuel, without lifting a finger?
They do nothing but collect.
You've obviously been subjected to some form of brain washing. I beleive you've found the right forum though. Hope is not lost.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 09, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
Its those that are capable and willing to work for a possible better world that may take upon themselves the task of educating if they so wish.
But it shouldn't be national policy!
QuoteI agree that what One chooses to do with Their education is key, however, One must first have said education to have that opportunity.
WRONG! First one must have the Freedom to keep the fruits of his own labor, then, he can, as he chooses, pay for his own education to the level to which suits his needs. He needs to know that he is secure in his property and his life.
Private property and the ability to profit by the sweat of his own brow is what differentiates a Citizen from Subject.
-Dr Watt
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
"Cupecake"? LOL, Keep it clean, Fish....
And You can't claim straw man on a valid argument.
Prove the argument cupcake.
QuoteYou said -
Sorry Boo boo, but that reads, in the conversation that we were having, like You were saying oil spills are no biggy because it happens naturally. I commented based on what You said there. Maybe You should check, check and triple check before You post something. :smile:
it reads like that to you because you are not using your brain and doing your own research. The point for the third time is we are not destroying the planet.
QuoteIm also not as much demonizing the oil, more so the greedy Companies, really. I just wish We could hurry up the process of improving on what We currently have as options and maybe finding something even better.
Please explain how they are greedy. I love this claim.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 05:32:22 PM
Whether you like it or not, greed is why we are alive today.
If not for greed, the oil companies would have no reason to compete and the cost of oil would be out of reach for the average guy.
I too dislike greed for the sake of power, but it's a human factor the world needs.
I don't see it as a necessity the world needs, rather more a fault of humanity that We will hopefully eventually grow out of.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 05:55:42 PM
I don't see it as a necessity the world needs, rather more a fault of humanity that We will hopefully eventually grow out of.
I hope not, greed is a part of what makes us human, it's called competition, they are one in the same, it's what drives us to do better and be better.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 05:46:34 PM
Prove the argument cupcake.
I have. Just because You dont understand something doesnt mean it hasnt already been proven.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 05:46:34 PM
it reads like that to you because you are not using your brain and doing your own research. The point for the third time is we are not destroying the planet.
You don't believe We're hurting the planet and its occupants?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 05:46:34 PM
Please explain how they are greedy. I love this claim.
The soul purpose of a Company is profit, Oil is extremely profitable. What makes them overly greedy is the amount they look to make verses the amount their willing to destroy. As Solar has said, 'greed is a human characteristic', well its a big business law.
Admin, why the edit? I didn't say anything vulgar did I?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:00:22 PM
I have. Just because You dont understand something doesnt mean it hasnt already been proven.
Just because you say something does not make it true.
QuoteYou don't believe We're hurting the planet and its occupants?
I said the planet heals itself.
QuoteThe soul purpose of a Company is profit, Oil is extremely profitable. What makes them overly greedy is the amount they look to make verses the amount their willing to destroy. As Solar has said, 'greed is a human characteristic', well its a big business law.
Bollocks. You obviously have no idea how many years and millions of dollars it takes to find
one new source. You are obviously not aware of what their profit margin is.
You can do better.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:01:38 PM
Admin, why the edit? I didn't say anything vulgar did I?
Ummm, yes it was, claiming someone wants eat you is provoking, and would escalate into an argument.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 06:06:59 PM
Ummm, yes it was, claiming someone wants eat you is provoking, and would escalate into an argument.
A "cupecake" is something You eat, isnt it? So, isn't calling Me something You eat just as provoking and escalating?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:12:38 PM
A "cupecake" is something You eat, isnt it? So, isn't calling Me something You eat just as provoking and escalating?
Bert calls a lot of people cupcake, you're nothing special.
Now drop it.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:12:38 PM
A "cupecake" is something You eat, isnt it? So, isn't calling Me something You eat just as provoking and escalating?
I won't call you cupcake anymore okay? I'll just call you talking points charlie until you are capable of move on from relying on talking points. "Sarah Palin is dumb" "Big oil is evil" are just talking points for liberals who still have their training wheels.
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
Bert calls a lot of people cupcake, you're nothing special.
Now drop it.
Oh, so it's ok for him to be "provoking" and escalate things. Got it. :thumbup:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:31:19 PM
Oh, so it's ok for him to be "provoking" and escalate things. Got it. :thumbup:
Oh I see. You want to be special. I shall call you "sunshine"...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 06:39:02 PM
Oh I see. You want to be special. I shall call you "sunshine"...
So now You want Me to shower You with My golden rays? LOL!! Im not into it Boo boo. Hit up Shooter, He's already asked Me to do this-
Quote from: Shooterman... link=topic=7163.msg79927#msg date
kiss that little brown spot between the cheeks of my arse.
And You know, come to think of it, his comment there^ wasn't clean, and it was "provoking" too. :scared:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:49:31 PM
So now You want Me to shower You with My golden rays? LOL!! Im not into it Boo boo. Hit up Shooter, He's already asked Me to do this-
No no. Keep your creepy fantasiers confined to yourself.
QuoteAnd You know, come to think of it, his comment there^ wasn't clean, and it was "provoking" too. :scared:
So you have just admitted you have some sort of creepy mind...
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:49:31 PM
So now You want Me to shower You with My golden rays? LOL!! Im not into it Boo boo. Hit up Shooter, He's already asked Me to do this-
And You know, come to think of it, his comment there^ wasn't clean, and it was "provoking" too. :scared:
Fish, let it go for your own good.
And do not reply to this.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
No no. Keep your creepy fantasiers confined to yourself.
So you have just admitted you have some sort of creepy mind...
You're the one calling Me something You eat, and something You wish to bask in. LOL, read up on Freud a bit and get back to Me Boo boo. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on July 10, 2012, 06:53:33 PM
Fish, let it go for your own good.
And do not reply to this.
Don't worry. I won't let this devolve any further. There are "other" forums for that...
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:55:57 PM
You're the one calling Me something You eat, and something You wish to bask in. LOL, read up on Freud a bit and get back to Me Boo boo. :rolleyes:
Check your PM.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 06:55:57 PM
You're the one calling Me something You eat, and something You wish to bask in. LOL, read up on Freud a bit and get back to Me Boo boo. :rolleyes:
I would read up on Freud if I had a reason too. But it is you that is making odd interpretations of my posts.
Go back to trashing Palin. vapid claims are much easier.
And ...scene!
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Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 05:55:42 PM
I don't see it as a necessity the world needs, rather more a fault of humanity that We will hopefully eventually grow out of.
The world doesn't need it. Read " The Lord Of The Flies".
What people don't understand about the US Constitution, is that it is not a living, breathing document that's open to interpretation. It deals specifically with human nature. It ties in with the bible, in that, given the opportunity, humans, and particularly
governments, will abuse their power. These things are timeless. Our government, both republican and democrat, are in the process of undoing exactly what the Constitution warned us about. If we allow it to happen, the fault will be our own. We were warned well ahead of time.
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 10, 2012, 05:41:41 PM
But it shouldn't be national policy!
Why wouldn't You want that policy?
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 10, 2012, 05:41:41 PM
WRONG! First one must have the Freedom to keep the fruits of his own labor, then, he can, as he chooses, pay for his own education to the level to which suits his needs. He needs to know that he is secure in his property and his life.
Freedom to keep the fruits should run hand in hand with the knowledge of cultivating them.
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 10, 2012, 05:41:41 PM
Private property and the ability to profit by the sweat of his own brow is what differentiates a Citizen from Subject.
-Dr Watt
I agree, and sadly, for the most part, We're uneducated Subjects.
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Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 07:25:24 PM
Why wouldn't You want that policy?
Freedom to keep the fruits should run hand in hand with the knowledge of cultivating them.
I agree, and sadly, for the most part, We're uneducated Subjects.
Speak for yourself...
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 07:25:24 PM
Why wouldn't You want that policy?
Ever heard the saying "charity begins at home"?
Two things can happen when a nation helps the "starving" people of a nation controlled by a strongman Marxist dictator.
1) Feeding those people enable the Political Class of that country further exploit the populace. Or
2) The Political Class of that country will steal the food and other supplies and divide up amongst their supporters.
Either way, the "bad guys" win and the people are no better off than before.
QuoteFreedom to keep the fruits should run hand in hand with the knowledge of cultivating them.
People in Africa are not starving because they don't know how to provide for themselves. They are starving because everything they produce is being stolen from them by a small political elite whose only purpose is to expand its power over the people it governs.
QuoteI agree, and sadly, for the most part, We're uneducated Subjects.
Speak for yourself!
-Dr Watt
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 06:39:02 PM
Oh I see. You want to be special. I shall call you "sunshine"...
Damn it, Bert. I was hoping you'd call ME "sunshine." :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 10, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
Ever heard the saying "charity begins at home"?
Two things can happen when a nation helps the "starving" people of a nation controlled by a strongman Marxist dictator.
1) Feeding those people enable the Political Class of that country further exploit the populace. Or
2) The Political Class of that country will steal the food and other supplies and divide up amongst their supporters.
Either way, the "bad guys" win and the people are no better off than before.
Do You believe a proper education for everyone would greatly reduce the number of bad people taking advantage of needy people?
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 10, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
People in Africa are not starving because they don't know how to provide for themselves. They are starving because everything they produce is being stolen from them by a small political elite whose only purpose is to expand its power over the people it governs.
Speak for yourself!
-Dr Watt
I am speaking for myself Doc.
I believe that all Men are created equal , and have an equal right to knowledge, thus making their ability to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness an obtainable reality, rather than a distant dream.
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Quote from: tbone0106 on July 10, 2012, 08:26:48 PM
Damn it, Bert. I was hoping you'd call ME "sunshine." :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:
Why? You're our little dark cloud... :ttoung:
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Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 08:29:51 PM
Do You believe a proper education for everyone would greatly reduce the number of bad people taking advantage of needy people?
Let's see if I can help you think this thing through.
Where is an oppressed people going to get their "education" from? Their Oppressors? Not bloody likely! If they get any kind of education, it will be more indoctrination than anything else!
Freedom is the key. Without Freedom, nothing else matters!
QuoteI am speaking for myself Doc.
Good thing!
QuoteI believe that all Men are created equal , and have an equal right to knowledge, thus making their ability to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness an obtainable reality, rather than a distant dream.
If you believe that "all men are created equal" then you don't understand the context in which those words were written. Anybody who has lived 5 minutes in the real world knows that all men are not created equal.
Don't believe me? Try playing a little one on one with Lebron James! Or how about discussing quantum physics with Stephen Hawkings!
The Founders were smart enough to realize that, no all men are not created equal. They disputed the concept of royalty - and specifically, the Divine Rights of Kings! When they wrote "all men are created equal" it was a finger in the eye of King George the III. They were saying to him "we don't believe in the Divine Right of Kings", your right to rule over us in not bestowed on you by any deity, but by a mere chance of birth!
In other words, they were saying the same God which created King George III, created them!
It was also an explanation of how The Law should treat all men - equal justice under the law. The same law would apply to Kings and Commoners.
-Dr Watt
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
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I just left there, Maurice screamed at Me and called Me "ignorant" after I asked him if the "8oz bottle" came with a nipple.
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FYI, the better business bureau will receive a letter. :mellow:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 08:49:32 PM
I just left there, Maurice screamed at Me and called Me "ignorant" after I asked him if the "8oz bottle" came with a nipple.
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FYI, the better business bureau will receive a letter. :mellow:
Maurice hates training wheels...
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 10, 2012, 08:48:27 PM
Let's see if I can help you think this thing through.
Where is an oppressed people going to get their "education" from? Their Oppressors? Not bloody likely! If they get any kind of education, it will be more indoctrination than anything else!
I agree. Hell, Im still praying We educate Our own People, much less others. Eventually though it would be nice if the world came into the picture, but We're far from that.
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 10, 2012, 08:48:27 PM
Freedom is the key. Without Freedom, nothing else matters!
Good thing!
If you believe that "all men are created equal" then you don't understand the context in which those words were written. Anybody who has lived 5 minutes in the real world knows that all men are not created equal.
Don't believe me? Try playing a little one on one with Lebron James! Or how about discussing quantum physics with Stephen Hawkings!
The Founders were smart enough to realize that, no all men are not created equal. They did, however, dispute the concept of royalty - and specifically, the Divine Rights of Kings! When they wrote "all men are created equal" it was a finger in the eye of King George the III. They were saying to him "we don't believe in the Divine Right of Kings", your right to rule over us in not bestowed on you by any deity, but by a mere chance of birth!
In other words, they were saying the same God which created King George III, created them!
It was also an explanation of how The Law should treat all men - equal justice under the law. The same law would apply to Kings and Commoners.
-Dr Watt
Thank You for the explanation Doc, You can take My comment pertaining to all Men being created equal and apply the same logic. To live free of kings one must gain a kings knowledge.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
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I was going to buy the lucky Bert's foot, but something just didn't seem right.
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Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 10, 2012, 08:53:33 PM
Maurice hates training wheels...
Damn Him!
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"This isnt the last You'll hear of Me Maurice!!!"
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 10, 2012, 08:58:18 PM
I agree. Hell, Im still praying We educate Our own People, much less others. Eventually though it would be nice if the world came into the picture, but We're far from that.
Thank You for the explanation Doc, You can take My comment pertaining to all Men being created equal and apply the same logic. To live free of kings one must gain a kings knowledge.
Wrong!
Freedom must come first!
Without Freedom - individual Freedom - nothing else matters!
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 11, 2012, 06:27:35 AM
Wrong!
Freedom must come first!
Without Freedom - individual Freedom - nothing else matters!
-Dr Watt
Doc, people will never truly be free until they realize they're captive. Knowledge is the key to the cage.