I've been thinking about this for a while. One of the problems I saw with the Romney campaign which probably led to his overall low voter turnout is this - he ignored his base. He just assumed that they would be there and would support him. He spent way too much time and effort trying to convince the "independents".

Look at it this way. I live in Utah, a solidly Republican (note, I didn't say Conservative) state. Romney visited here twice during the election. Each visit was a closed door fund raiser where if you had to ask how much it cost to get in, you most probably couldn't afford it.

There were no public appearances by either Romney or Ryan (both of which I would have loved to have been able to go see in person).

Its kind of like going to a night club with your wife and then dancing with any woman you can other than your wife. You are not going to be picking up any of those women (unless they are sluts! LOL) because they see how you are treating your wife and when you get home, your wife is going to have a few choice words for you.

Romney ignored his base to chase the skirts of the independents - this was not lost on either the base or the independents. I think the base said, he doesn't give a rats ass for us, so why should we support him and the independents simply recognized his pandering for what it was.

A number of talk hosts gave Obama a hard time about continuing to visit and campaign in solidly Democrats states. They took it as a sign that he was vulnerable in those states. They couldn't have been more wrong. Obama realized that a voter is like a woman - they don't like to be taken for granted and they don't like people blowing smoke up their skirts!

This election wasn't about Romney. I didn't start actually liking him until a couple of months from the election.

He had my vote from the moment he won the primary. Any of them would have.

Did you vote for Romney?

Anyone in the base that didn't get off their duffs and go vote for Romney, voted for Obama. Plain and simple. They better hope I don't meet them face to face.

Quote from: kramarat on November 30, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
This election wasn't about Romney. I didn't start actually liking him until a couple of months from the election.

He had my vote from the moment he won the primary. Any of them would have.

Did you vote for Romney?

Anyone in the base that didn't get off their duffs and go vote for Romney, voted for Obama. Plain and simple. They better hope I don't meet them face to face.

No, I voted Libertarian. But, I live in Utah so there was not a chance in hell that Romney wouldn't win the state and it's Electoral Votes.

If Mr. Romney  or his running mate had made a public appearance in Utah, I  might have been convinced to vote for them. As it was, they didn't so I didn't.

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 30, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
No, I voted Libertarian. But, I live in Utah so there was not a chance in hell that Romney wouldn't win the state and it's Electoral Votes.

If Mr. Romney  or his running mate had made a public appearance in Utah, I  might have been convinced to vote for them. As it was, they didn't so I didn't.

Well. If a couple million people thought like you in the swing states..................here we are.

Pull your heads out of....the ground.

Obamao won because a majority of American people voted for him in KEY states. Ohio, Virginia, Florida...

Now whatever the reason, dem's cheating, padding the voter rolls, illegals voting, bollixed voting machines, demographics, or just plain stupidity of the Ameircan people.

How many more people went with Mittens in Texas or Tennessee or Stump Jump west Virginia or UTAH wouldn't have made a difference.

Billy   

I attribute Romney's loss to the MSM. I attribute Obama winning to buying votes. There is a monopoly on the American mind, even those who are psychologically conservative, such as the majority of hispanics, are effectively bullied into eating up MSLSD, CNN, NYT, Huffpost, etc. Among youth voters it is about three issues that actually matter (weed, homo crap, free stuff, of all sorts), and then he is "so cool". Minorities are promised whatever they desire. Welfare queens with Obamaphones are promised more free crap. Liberal tactics focus on appealing to the lowest common denominator.

The OP is right to some extent. I still can't believe Obama won without cheating.  We KNOW a lot went on, but we'll never know the extent.  I posted a couple short videos of Ronald Reagan recently. Romney reminded me of a POTENTIAL Reagan.  The country would be infinitely better off with him in the White House. Still, he lacks the BOLDNESS of a Ronald Reagan or a Barry Goldwater.  If he spoke like them, he would have brought out the base and then some.  But I still can't understand HOW he lost when support for Obama was so low and Romney's support was 10x.  This alone has shattered my "faith" in the voting system.  I never expected 100% pure, but I wanted to believe that the vast majority of election officials were honest. I don't think that now--at least not from the Democrat side. They are snakes that can't be trusted.

Quote from: Yawn on November 30, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
The OP is right to some extent. I still can't believe Obama won without cheating.  We KNOW a lot went on, but we'll never know the extent.  I posted a couple short videos of Ronald Reagan recently. Romney reminded me of a POTENTIAL Reagan.  The country would be infinitely better off with him in the White House. Still, he lacks the BOLDNESS of a Ronald Reagan or a Barry Goldwater.  If he spoke like them, he would have brought out the base and then some.  But I still can't understand HOW he lost when support for Obama was so low and Romney's support was 10x.  This alone has shattered my "faith" in the voting system.  I never expected 100% pure, but I wanted to believe that the vast majority of election officials were honest. I don't think that now--at least not from the Democrat side. They are snakes that can't be trusted.

Once again it came down to three states Ohio, Va and Florida.

To me this whole elctoral college thing should be thrown out the window...either that or revised so that the electoral votes are split by districts as some states do.

Take My state, Virginia.... Northern Virgnia elected Obamao, of course that is where the majority of Govt Wokers live...the rest of the state
went with Romeny or libertarians.

You can say the same for Ohio the northern part of the state went with Obamao, the southern part Romney.

Billy

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 30, 2012, 03:43:45 PM

Once again it came down to three states Ohio, Va and Florida.

To me this whole elctoral college thing should be thrown out the window...either that or revised so that the electoral votes are split by districts as some states do.

Take My state, Virginia.... Northern Virgnia elected Obamao, of course that is where the majority of Govt Wokers live...the rest of the state
went with Romeny or libertarians.

You can say the same for Ohio the northern part of the state went with Obamao, the southern part Romney.

Billy

I agree with this.  I wonder how many voters in states like mine (MN) stay home because they believe their vote won't matter anyway (if they vote other than dem).

I do think the voting system needs a major overhaul.  A system where cheating would be more difficult. 

Stop this early voting BS and you'll go a long way to ending the abuse.  If people don't have the desire to show up ON VOTING DAY and are willing to stand in line, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote.  We're a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.  Our system REQUIRES a well informed citizenry. Those who aren't well informed should not be voting.

Quote from: Yawn on November 30, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
Stop this early voting BS and you'll go a long way to ending the abuse.  If people don't have the desire to show up ON VOTING DAY and are willing to stand in line, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote.  We're a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.  Our system REQUIRES a well informed citizenry. Those who aren't well informed should not be voting.

Totally! 

Quote from: Yawn on November 30, 2012, 05:34:30 PM
Stop this early voting BS and you'll go a long way to ending the abuse.  If people don't have the desire to show up ON VOTING DAY and are willing to stand in line, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote.  We're a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.  Our system REQUIRES a well informed citizenry. Those who aren't well informed should not be voting.

I agree.

I am also not fond of electronic voting machines. I've worked with computer and data systems since the early 80s and I know how easy they can be to hack, etc. Despite the hanging chad debacle of 2000, I still feel that punch card ballots are preferable to computers.

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 30, 2012, 05:49:16 PM
I agree.

I am also not fond of electronic voting machines. I've worked with computer and data systems since the early 80s and I know how easy they can be to hack, etc. Despite the hanging chad debacle of 2000, I still feel that punch card ballots are preferable to computers.

How come the lottery machines never seem to screw up?
Everything either works, or it doesn't................depending on the desired outcome.

Quote from: Yawn on November 30, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
The OP is right to some extent. .  We KNOW a lot went on, but we'll never know the extent.  I posted a couple short videos of Ronald Reagan recently. Romney reminded me of a POTENTIAL Reagan.  The country would be infinitely better off with him in the White House. Still, he lacks the BOLDNESS of a Ronald Reagan or a Barry Goldwater.  If he spoke like them, he would have brought out the base and then some.  But I still can't understand HOW he lost when support for Obama was so low and Romney's support was 10x.  This alone has shattered my "faith" in the voting system.  I never expected 100% pure, but I wanted to believe that the vast majority of election officials were honest. I don't think that now--at least not from the Democrat side. They are snakes that can't be trusted.

I still can't believe Obama won without cheating. 

Quote from: jksr1 on December 01, 2012, 01:11:12 AM
I still can't believe Obama won without cheating. 

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