Quote"The Republican Party has a unique and historic opportunity to hold up the standard of the American middle class, the national interest, and free enterprise and drive those messages to the polls in November of this year and win back the Senate," he said.
"But they've got to stop this nonsense of creating wars within this tent before they can even get the doors open
He said party leaders have got to "step aside and acknowledge the breath of fresh air that awaits from the tea party, from the other groups that make up the conservative foundation of the Republican Party" and "come together around basic, fundamental national values and ... understand this is a battle for survival with the Democratic Party."
Dobbs, who described himself as "an independent, for right now," said he's thinking "very, very hard" as "registering again as a Republican" before the primaries to help "energize" and create a "political force" in Washington, where "we are desperate as a nation for that force to be felt."
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As usual Dobbs is right on the money!! These internal squabbles need to be put on hold until the republicans regain the senate. The democrat will continue to drive a wedge and attempt to split the party because they gain from it. That doesn't mean that conservatives need to roll over but we do need to find common ground.
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The squabbling will cease when the campaign heats up. And, when it becomes apparent that actual Conservative candidates can bring in big money without the RNCC, the establishment will shut their cake holes...
Dobbs is exactly right! 2014 will be favorable to a unified & competent GOP.
2014 will show a much more savvy Tea Party...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 06, 2014, 06:26:32 PM
2014 will show a much more savvy Tea Party...
The Tea Party should go back to the 2010 strategy. Take a couple of weaker Rinos out in conservative areas and concentrate on open seats, but do nothing that will damage or cost wins in any area. That strategy worked great in 2010 and should this year. conservatives main goal should be to help take the senate and increase their power base with a few more house and senate seats. I can live with the senate Rino leadership I can't stand the Idea of 2 more years of Harry Reid!!
Quote from: JRP1990 on January 06, 2014, 06:14:09 PM
Dobbs is exactly right! 2014 will be favorable to a unified & competent GOP.
The GOP is splintered all to Hell and at war with it's base.
If the GOP capitulated half as much with it's base as they do the Leftists, we could probably find some common ground.
I fear the modern GOP is not at all what it used to be. The left has won by castrating what we once were and, in the name of "tolerance", forcing us to the center with a left lean. The whole country, except the Tea Party, has gone left but the vast majority don't even realize it. This country needs DRASTIC change not just a change in party name while implementing the same policies. That's the real issue here. We are no longer a two or three party system. The left has successfully made us one party with various degrees of liberalism. They did this by demonizing and dehumanizing the right with constant mudslinging and name calling. Eventually, John Q. Public starts buying into the lies and, not wanting to align with those racist, sexist, bigots, decides to vote Democrat.
The Tea Party is trying to revive what the GOP once was. The left hates that. That's why they've gone full on against them. They are insulting them and demonizing them just as they did for the GOP. Unfortunately, social media is making it more and more difficult for people to speak their minds without fear of being labeled a bigot. As such, a large majority distance themselves from the Tea Party and jump on the insult bandwagon. The left knows this. That's why they control so many media outlets and bloggers.
I fear that it may be too late to take our country back through the voting booth. Sorry to be Debbie Downer.
It is too late to take our contry back. We are balkanized and too many people see their vote as nothing more than a way to appropriate what others have earned.
The takers outnumber the givers. Game over.
Now all we have is the view as we circle the bowl.
My impression is that the RINOs at the top of the GOP inside the Beltway make as much money off the current political patronage system as do the Dems or almost.
These RINOs will never agree to anything that derails their gravy train, and the TPM threatens to do just that.
We are entering into the final stages of the Jackson-Tamany patronage Ponzi. It started in the early 1800's and was an alliance between the farmers in rural areas with the political machines of the big northern cities. It grew by stages till the machines took over under the Al Smith campaign in 1928. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith)
FDR grafted this patronage network deeply into the federal government during his administration and WW2, and the dynamic was something like this; beat the GOP by expanding how much pork we can give to our political donors back in the states. The Rockefeller Republicans got into the mix as well, though second tier players compared to the Dems who had the inside track. This is why it was a Republican, President Eisenhower who warned of the growing military industrial complex, but he was wrong; it is a federal government-industrial complex and it grew like a cancer ever since.
But the Ponzi is coming to an end, and I am not talking about Social Security, I am talking about the use of pork to buy support from private industry to finance campaigns to keep the polls in power. There is nothing left to rob any more. After all the Quantitative Easing we have been having at $85 billion each month given to Wall Street banks, you can bet that Yellin is going to start bailing out insurance companies next.
We are spending 5 dollars for every three we take in. We are into so much debt nationally that I don't think anyone would have predicted this back in 1984, and it is killing our nation.
This patronage system must be stopped before it wrecks this Republic, and the Tea Party knows it. The GOP elites don't want to hear that and are fighting to rid themselves of the TPM leaders because they see them justly as a threat to that system.
Patronage is as old as politics. Julius Ceasar rose to power through a patronage system more than 2,000 years ago and I'm pretty sure it wasn't a new thing back then either.
But you are right. The RINOs have more to gain by telling you that you are an asshole that needs to shut up and vote for them so they can do big things. And it's going to work until we get tired enough of being called assholes, drop this codependent behavior and start sticking up for ourselves and our beliefs.
Quote from: Dan on January 07, 2014, 05:09:59 AM
Patronage is as old as politics. Julius Ceasar rose to power through a patronage system more than 2,000 years ago and I'm pretty sure it wasn't a new thing back then either.
Yes, patronage is as old as politics, and note what Caesar did to the Republic with it.
Quote from: Dan on January 07, 2014, 05:09:59 AMBut you are right. The RINOs have more to gain by telling you that you are an asshole that needs to shut up and vote for them so they can do big things. And it's going to work until we get tired enough of being called assholes, drop this codependent behavior and start sticking up for ourselves and our beliefs.
Its going to work until they run out of other people's money, and that is happening as we speak. How long till it finally gives the last drop is anyone's guess, but it wont be more than another ten years or so. And that will end in our Republic coming apart at the seams. to avoid that calamity we need to act ASAP. The Tea Party gets this, the RINOs don't want to.
Quote from: Dr. Meh on January 07, 2014, 12:30:34 AM
I fear the modern GOP is not at all what it used to be. The left has won by castrating what we once were and, in the name of "tolerance", forcing us to the center with a left lean. The whole country, except the Tea Party, has gone left but the vast majority don't even realize it. This country needs DRASTIC change not just a change in party name while implementing the same policies. That's the real issue here. We are no longer a two or three party system. The left has successfully made us one party with various degrees of liberalism. They did this by demonizing and dehumanizing the right with constant mudslinging and name calling. Eventually, John Q. Public starts buying into the lies and, not wanting to align with those racist, sexist, bigots, decides to vote Democrat.
The Tea Party is trying to revive what the GOP once was. The left hates that. That's why they've gone full on against them. They are insulting them and demonizing them just as they did for the GOP. Unfortunately, social media is making it more and more difficult for people to speak their minds without fear of being labeled a bigot. As such, a large majority distance themselves from the Tea Party and jump on the insult bandwagon. The left knows this. That's why they control so many media outlets and bloggers.
I fear that it may be too late to take our country back through the voting booth. Sorry to be Debbie Downer.
The GOP was never what the TEA wants it to be, that's the big difference.
The GOP has always been about power and profit; capitulation was just a means of securing an agenda.
The GOP in recent times almost aligns with leftists ideals, only at a slower pace.
Quote from: Solar on January 07, 2014, 05:33:19 AM
The GOP was never what the TEA wants it to be, that's the big difference.
The GOP has always been about power and profit; capitulation was just a means of securing an agenda.
The GOP in recent times almost aligns with leftists ideals, only at a slower pace.
Today's GOP acts as a break-man to the Jacobin left, and helps them to consolidate their gains by keeping the pace of change more reasonable for most Americans to accept.
Breakmen don't stop the train once and for all; they just do it enough to keep the train running safely. But there is no doubt that the Jacobins run the train.
Quote from: RGCheek on January 07, 2014, 05:36:33 AM
Today's GOP acts as a break-man to the Jacobin left, and helps them to consolidate their gains by keeping the pace of change more reasonable for most Americans to accept.
Breakmen don't stop the train once and for all; they just do it enough to keep the train running safely. But there is no doubt that the Jacobins run the train.
Good analogy. That's the problem with the GOP, they were so efficient at it that no one noticed the change from generation to generation.
It wasn't until the Marxist came along and tried to cram 50 years of change into one term, that the historical comparison was so blatantly obvious too the base, that it exposed the GOP for what they are.
It's also why they're being removed from power in the 2014 mid terms.
Quote from: Solar on January 07, 2014, 05:46:46 AM
Good analogy. That's the problem with the GOP, they were so efficient at it that no one noticed the change from generation to generation.
It wasn't until the Marxist came along and tried to cram 50 years of change into one term, that the historical comparison was so blatantly obvious too the base, that it exposed the GOP for what they are.
It's also why they're being removed from power in the 2014 mid terms.
I pray you are correct, though I am not a Republican.
The spectrum has shifted far too far to the left and needs to return to reality and responsibility.
Quote from: RGCheek on January 07, 2014, 07:54:17 AM
I pray you are correct, though I am not a Republican.
The spectrum has shifted far too far to the left and needs to return to reality and responsibility.
I doubt anyone here actually considers themselves Pubs on this board.
Remember, we are a TEA Conservative board.
Quote from: Solar on January 06, 2014, 07:49:09 PM
The GOP is splintered all to Hell and at war with it's base.
If the GOP capitulated half as much with it's base as they do the Leftists, we could probably find some common ground.
What the base is splintered with, is a few remaining Establishment RINO's who are desperate to keep the gravy train running (see Arlen Spector). All Republicans should be suspicious, that the usual suspects keep showing up on Leftard TV as the face of the Republican party (McLame?).
Quote from: redbeard on January 06, 2014, 05:51:29 PM
As usual Dobbs is right on the money!! These internal squabbles need to be put on hold until the republicans regain the senate. The democrat will continue to drive a wedge and attempt to split the party because they gain from it. That doesn't mean that conservatives need to roll over but we do need to find common ground.
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I agree...the Old Guard of the GOP need to embace their Tea Party members and seek common ground rather than continuing to side with the media (and their Party) and try to stomp out the grass roots of the Republican Party (aka - The Tea Party)....
Quote from: Dan on January 07, 2014, 05:09:59 AM
Patronage is as old as politics. Julius Ceasar rose to power through a patronage system more than 2,000 years ago and I'm pretty sure it wasn't a new thing back then either.
But you are right. The RINOs have more to gain by telling you that you are an asshole that needs to shut up and vote for them so they can do big things. And it's going to work until we get tired enough of being called assholes, drop this codependent behavior and start sticking up for ourselves and our beliefs.
Hear, Hear....!
Quote from: wally on January 07, 2014, 01:47:11 PM
I agree...the Old Guard of the GOP need to embace their Tea Party members and seek common ground rather than continuing to side with the media (and their Party) and try to stomp out the grass roots of the Republican Party (aka - The Tea Party)....
I'm with you my friend. Let the GOP embrace us. IMO they need us more then we need them.
Quote from: Bronx on January 07, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
I'm with you my friend. Let the GOP embrace us. IMO they need us more then we need them.
No we need each other to bury the Dim's. I don't like a RINO but they are no where near as destructive as Reid, Pelosi and Obama! Once we get Both houses then we can push our agenda within our party. If they don't listen then is the time for the third party to rise up!! :popcorn:
Quote from: redbeard on January 07, 2014, 03:27:30 PM
No we need each other to bury the Dim's. I don't like a RINO but they are no where near as destructive as Reid, Pelosi and Obama! Once we get Both houses then we can push our agenda within our party. If they don't listen then is the time for the third party to rise up!! :popcorn:
Public Lynchin' always gets some attention---going after someone like Lindsey (McCain's Lapdog) Graham..even if we lose the seat (and risk not taking the Senate) is a pretty steep price to pay, but if the same as usual good old boyz see we're willing to go the distance, I'm betting they won't be willing...and then the will want to extend an olive branch to the Tea Party members of Congress and those they represent!
We ought to ride Graham real hard (like a rented mule) and make him bleed! The Media would have a field day because we are going after one of (our) own, but actually he's one of (their) owned!!!!
Quote from: wally on January 07, 2014, 04:29:27 PM
Public Lynchin' always gets some attention---going after someone like Lindsey (McCain's Lapdog) Graham..even if we lose the seat (and risk not taking the Senate) is a pretty steep price to pay, but if the same as usual good old boyz see we're willing to go the distance, I'm betting they won't be willing...and then the will want to extend an olive branch to the Tea Party members of Congress and those they represent!
We ought to ride Graham real hard (like a rented mule) and make him bleed! The Media would have a field day because we are going after one of (our) own, but actually he's one of (their) owned!!!!
If we take the senate Bambie is effectively stopped. The Democrats will blame him for squandering their gains. We may even find enough Democrats to back further investigations into his misuse of power! No we need to get rid of Harry Reid!!
"Rule or ruin" politics, usually ruins everything.
Quote from: mdgiles on January 07, 2014, 04:57:15 PM
"Rule or ruin" politics, usually ruins everything.
Your right, we need to circle the wagons as a party and take every seat in the House and senate possible. The goal should be to take a super majority in both houses. Won't happen but with that as our goal we may win enough to over come the few turn coats and maintain the simple majority on every vote!
We need the senate this year everything else is pure BS!! :unsure: :unsure:
One more thing!! With the control of both houses we would have complete control over funding!!
Instead of shutting the government down we could bleed each out of control department under Obama one at a time!! We need to take back the senate. leave the RINO's until later!! :wink:
Quote from: redbeard on January 07, 2014, 04:46:41 PM
No we need to get rid of Harry Reid!!
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How many Hollywood film plots could we borrow for making THAT one happen? I kinda like the one about shoving him into a barrel of nuclear waste and storing him in Yucca Mountain.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 06, 2014, 06:09:39 PM
The squabbling will cease when the campaign heats up. And, when it becomes apparent that actual Conservative candidates can bring in big money without the RNCC, the establishment will shut their cake holes...
They're all gonna run to the right of Reagan when it heats up...
Quote from: taxed on January 07, 2014, 11:25:02 PM
They're all gonna run to the right of Reagan when it heats up...
So will the Dims. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on January 08, 2014, 05:00:17 AM
So will the Dims. :lol:
To which the answer is: "Oh really"; and the you lay out the multitude of crimes they've committed. The problem for the Dems is that Obama has left the GOP a full menu of issues to run on. The Dems platform consists of: "the GOP are mean racists". If you've had your old policy cancelled, and are now paying for one that cost you three times as much - if you have one - any GOP commercial with Obama's promises, rubs you raw. :cursing:
Quote from: mdgiles on January 08, 2014, 05:43:59 AM
To which the answer is: "Oh really"; and the you lay out the multitude of crimes they've committed. The problem for the Dems is that Obama has left the GOP a full menu of issues to run on. The Dems platform consists of: "the GOP are mean racists". If you've had your old policy cancelled, and are now paying for one that cost you three times as much - if you have one - any GOP commercial with Obama's promises, rubs you raw. :cursing:
Which is exactly why they have to run to the right, running left is a carbon copy of Hussein's failures, left of that is full blown communism, so what options have they left?
Force the GOP to run further right and call them extremists, that's still an option the left has yet to use, but is still an option, force the GOP to support extreme positions, then exploit it.
Quote from: Solar on January 08, 2014, 06:18:29 AM
Which is exactly why they have to run to the right, running left is a carbon copy of Hussein's failures, left of that is full blown communism, so what options have they left?
Force the GOP to run further right and call them extremists, that's still an option the left has yet to use, but is still an option, force the GOP to support extreme positions, then exploit it.
The point is they can't run right, almost every Dem in Congress is tied to ObozoCare. And the ones who aren't - like Warren of Massachusetts - are known to be complete Leftard idiots! To win, the Dems desperately need the independents, those same independents who are being screwed by both the economy and ObamaCare. There's no way they can run away from their record. Even the media can't hid that - no matter how much they try.
That's a great point about a two-fer. If the dems lose big, not only will that be it's own thing, but the blame and abandonment for Obama will be a terrific dessert.
Also, regarding the RINO history of the GOP, it's true that people like Teddy Roosevelt, the Rockefellers, the Bushes, and folks like that have been in the catbird seat for 100 years. They've always wanted the same one-world govt that the socialists & commies want, just based in global business instead of collectivism.
Goldwater, Reagan, and today's TP have been the very rare opposition to them.
Quote from: mdgiles on January 08, 2014, 07:02:13 AM
The point is they can't run right, almost every Dem in Congress is tied to ObozoCare. And the ones who aren't - like Warren of Massachusetts - are known to be complete Leftard idiots! To win, the Dems desperately need the independents, those same independents who are being screwed by both the economy and ObamaCare. There's no way they can run away from their record. Even the media can't hid that - no matter how much they try.
You're right, but I wasn't talking about the party itself, rather the individuals trying to save their own asses.
But what does this do the party as a whole? It forces a sever and obvious split out into the open, while half the party tries to embrace the failures of the Hussein administration, without acknowledging them, the rest run from it like the plague, which translates into a Right turn in politics.
The party has two options, embrace socialist failed policy, or don't.
I don't see them moving further left, which will give the appearance that they are moving right, while those running from failed Hussein policy will have to turn right.
In other words, the party has failed and will splinter, Hell, Fracture! :laugh:
Quote from: Solar on January 08, 2014, 08:24:26 AM
You're right, but I wasn't talking about the party itself, rather the individuals trying to save their own asses.
But what does this do the party as a whole? It forces a sever and obvious split out into the open, while half the party tries to embrace the failures of the Hussein administration, without acknowledging them, the rest run from it like the plague, which translates into a Right turn in politics.
The party has two options, embrace socialist failed policy, or don't.
I don't see them moving further left, which will give the appearance that they are moving right, while those running from failed Hussein policy will have to turn right.
In other words, the party has failed and will splinter, Hell, Fracture! :laugh:
Your right in a national election but the midterms are all local. in the north we may have to accept and support some congressmen and senators you don't like. in the south and Midwest conservatives should do better but our main objective should be to take every seat that the republican party can to dislodge the democrat power base!
A good example here in Florida is I don't care much for Rick Scott but I'll do whatever I can to support him because there is light years of difference between him and the turn coat "Charlie Crist". As a conservative I can bend a little to help achieve my long turn goals.
another opportunity like Obamacare has gifted us may be a long time coming and we can't squander this election cycle by being to ridged! :unsure: :unsure:
Quote from: redbeard on January 08, 2014, 06:55:54 PM
Your right in a national election but the midterms are all local. in the north we may have to accept and support some congressmen and senators you don't like. in the south and Midwest conservatives should do better but our main objective should be to take every seat that the republican party can to dislodge the democrat power base!
A good example here in Florida is I don't care much for Rick Scott but I'll do whatever I can to support him because there is light years of difference between him and the turn coat "Charlie Crist". As a conservative I can bend a little to help achieve my long turn goals.
another opportunity like Obamacare has gifted us may be a long time coming and we can't squander this election cycle by being to ridged! :unsure: :unsure:
I was talking about the left. It's a given, if no one is opposing a rino, then you're stuck with it.